Blackhawks Acquire Seth Jones, Sign to 8-Year Extension
It’s happening people. The Blackhawks are getting Seth Jones.
Welcome to Chicago, Seth Jones! pic.twitter.com/m4RZ6tQaCl
— Chicago Blackhawks (@NHLBlackhawks) July 23, 2021
But what did it cost? Adam Boqvist is the only player heading to Columbus. The Blackhawks are also sending three picks — their first and a second in 2021 and a first in 2022 — to the Jackets; Columbus is sending the final pick in the first round tonight and a sixth-rounder back to Chicago.
The first round pick the Blackhawks are sending to Columbus is protected; if it falls in the top two overall picks, it moves to the 2023 NHL Draft.
Oh, and the Hawks signed Jones to an eight-year extension with a $9.5M cap hit.
My mistake. 8 year extension for Jones
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) July 23, 2021
$9.5 aav for Jones. 7 years. https://t.co/yXFpZnlSQS
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) July 23, 2021
D Seth Jones’ contract has 1 year remaining with a $5.4M cap hit.
— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) July 23, 2021
He was selected 4th overall in the 2013 draft and is currently 26 years of age.https://t.co/7I3e0E5mJV
Seth Jones, this time with positive value probability for A SEVEN YEAR $9.5 MILLION EXTENSION ARE YOU KIDDING ME pic.twitter.com/QK3oGKpRvL
— dom at the athletic (@domluszczyszyn) July 23, 2021
This is a huge swing for the Blackhawks, who give up a premium dollar amount for a player they clearly believe is a legit No. 1 defenseman. As a reminder: Jones’ deal with Chicago kicks in starting with the 2022-23 season — the final year of Jonathan Toews’ and Patrick Kane’s contracts. He’ll hit the cap for $5.4M million this season.
The numbers haven’t liked Jones the last couple seasons, but before the Torts train went off the rails in Columbus it appeared Jones was headed to top-tier elite status. He’s capable of playing heavy minutes and producing all over the ice.
The fact the Blackhawks only gave up Boqvist off the NHL roster means they’re far from done. The blue line is still terribly bloated and there are forward still on the roster who don’t fit the direction the team is headed.
Stay tuned… it could be a dramatic weekend for the Blackhawks.
Initial reaction, I love it and have always enjoyed watching Seth Jones play. Hopefully in a year or so Zach Werenski will be here also. For now I feel it’s a great start as long as we didn’t give up Debrincat or Dach.
Do I like Seth Jones? Yes. Is he worth 9.5 aav for 7 years? NFW. Plus swapping picks, plus Boquist and others? Ouch. SB is losing his mind
That’s a really bad news
Fudge…I don’t believe they sign him for 8. Yes 8 years ..that’s ridiculous
Very upset at the trade …losing 2 picks …
That’s soooo stupid
Well- I like Seth Jones… but don’t like swapping picks– when this team is in a total Rebuild mode! We need more picks/higher picks- Not less/lower.
Then again- maybe SB lucks out (like he did w/ Dcat) and everyone passes on Logan Stankoven- cuz he’s a midget! That is ONLY way this deal would be a steal for Hawks.
Boqvist- I liked him at times- But never loved him. Who else did Hawks lose?
I’ll wait to comment to see what else is included in this trade but for right now??? EIGHT YEARS at 9.5 MILLION??? Looks like the rebuild is over now. Just like I predicted.
Now I really want Bowman out off there…just hope he didn’t gave him a non trade deal …$ Jones will now sit on is contract and just spend his money . Seeing him getting worst every year for last 4 years was a sign that he is not getting better But Bowman prefer to close his eyes.The rebuilding is over and Hawks won’t be better with $ Jones.
Plus losing 2 picks ….grrrrrrr
Hawks need to kick Bowman out with a few others who let him do that trade .
Nonsense
I’ll reserve comment on the trade till I see details. I can definitely say I IHATE this signing. 8 years at $9.5 per? What is this guy thinking?
hawks 2010
when the general manager with a penchant for giving away the house on contracts has himself for a boss this is what you get.
the first words out of my mouth when baby bowman was promoted was that rocky MUST hire a cap specialist with veto rights on signings.
can’t blame this contract on mc donough.
Love it – ballsy move from Stanbo and I think it’ll pay off
Boquist is the only player leaving so all the other young guys stay – CLB gets 2021 first and 2022 first – CHI gets 32 pick in 2021 (last pick of first round Aatu Raty?) and Hawks get a 7th
I like Boquist but he was never going to be a #1 – Jones IMO will be a #1 starting this coming season
If he went to free agency Wednesday paying the price he’s signing for so while it’s a lot it’s market value IMO
Looking for Z to be moved and a veteran goalie on short term deal to be signed
Sorry Jones would be UFA next year not on Wednesday- but would still command $9.5 IMO
Well the so-called rebuild is over Boqvist plus a first round pick plus another pick. Plus 9.5 x 8years
Can’t blame McDonough for this idiotic trade.
For all the Hawks fans wanting Jones I hope that you are happy!
At least Toews and Kane can go for one more playoff run before their Stanley cup window is over…lol
Considering the cost, I would have waited a year and taken my chances getting him in FA.
Worse.
More picks going.
If we take this deal on the value of the trade alone – Boqvist, two 1s and a 2 for Jones, a 1 and a 6 – I think the value is pretty good for both sides. Bowman moved down 20 spots in the first round this year – he didn’t trade completely out of the first round. And he still has Vegas’ second-round pick.
But I think many people’s perceptions of the deal are (rightfully) being swayed by the extension. It’s a BIG price to pay. Now Jones has to play like the guy who looked like a future Norris Trophy winner a couple years ago.
$ Jones receive 40 millions in Bonus that I heard on rds sport.
Getting more and more ridiculous iff it’s true .
2021 first and 2022 first plus Boqvist
This is going to turn into one of the worst trades in nhl history
Why would Bowman not want to hold onto 2022 first round pick with potential super star going first and Chicago probably being a lottery team.
Why not wait a year until Jones is unrestricted and give up no assets and just pay him the big bucks.
This kind of a trade is exactly why I can’t stand Bowman.
Wrap how is this trade going to work out for Chicago? Let me know.
Tab
Exactly what I think ..the trade is not to bad but the long term contract at that price is Exactly the same mistake Bowman did before …8 years should be a 4-5 years at 7.5millions or 8 millions.
The cap hit doesn’t bother me that much. Had they kept Boqvist they would have had to pay him a lot more after next season. So discount the Jones hit against what Boqvist would have commanded. I don’t like the 2022 first round pick lost. Mind you, they have a lot of young guys already.
Contract seems high but if capfriendly is accurate, no no move clauses, no signing bonuses and straight up 9.5m in salary every year. If he doesn’t age well towards end of deal, buyout would be a legitimate and affordable option. Good luck to Boqvist hope has a great career. Bowman did what he said he would do all along, now see what else he does.
Blueline now alot more comparable to Tampa than it was at end of season.
The trade with Columbus was fair. The extension length/amount are like shackles!!!
The contract and term- Suggests- Toews could be finished sooner than later to me!
Then it makes sense
Losing 2022 1st rd pick- like Stape suggested- could have been lotto- McDavid type superstar Shane Wright. Bad move!
Well let’s Hope for 2023 1st rd pick Michkov
2 Jones ! A Great acquisition! They’ll love it in The U.C. ! Toews and Kane and Dach will have a blast with them ! Pops 4
Stan pushed all his chips in. Look at the top half dozen defenseman cap hits and I’d rather have Jones than most of them. I don’t like the term but that’s what it takes these days. Remember T&K’s contracts are up in 2 years and it seems highly unlikely that we will be spending $20m a year for them after that. Things sure aren’t boring!
Time will tell, but hate the deal. Adding the 2022 first is too much. The extension is even worse. This is the type of trade a team makes when it’s one stud D away from the Cup. The Hawks are far, far away and Jones is not Orr/Potvin/Bourque/Lidstrom.
lots to dissect here..
The good..
1. Dach, Cat, Kubalik, Hagel and Reichel are still on the roster..so our top six wasn’t disturbed at all.
2. Kurashev, Suter, and Borgstrom are still here..so our center depth wasn’t disturbed either.
3. The Hawks dealt from a position of strength..as much as I love Boqvist, the Hawks do have a surplus of defensemen..it was only a matter of time before one or two were dealt..if you’re going to do a trade like this, I have to admit that I’m pleased that we dealt from our deepest position organizationally.
The neutral..
1. The cap hit isn’t great(was hoping that if a trade like this did happen, Jones’ AAV wouldn’t exceed Pietrangelo) but I’m categorizing this as neutral for two reasons..1. It’s 3.925 more than you were already paying Keith (or basically Keith plus a mid level veteran like DeHaan or Maatta)..assuming that one of our younger, less expensive defenseman can at least perform up to the level of a DeHaan or Maata, the TOTAL cost to construct our blueline shouldn’t be much more than it was just one season ago..the key will be to continue to find young defensemen on their first contracts to help offset Jones’ annual cap hit..with players like Kaiser and Vlasic and Beaudin hopefully on the way, the Hawks are actually in a decent position to construct their blueline in that very way…and 2. The Hawks will only have the three large cap hits for one season..once Toews and Kane’s contracts are up, if, and it’s a big if, they both want to re-sign, their contracts will be significantly less..my prediction is that the Hawks plan on Jones and Cat being the two premium contracts on our roster moving forward- with Toews and/or Kane representing the next tier down in terms of future contracts..
Now the bad..
For a team that says it’s rebuilding, giving up two top 44 picks this year and a first next year seems counterproductive..so when I say bad, I don’t actually mean the trade itself..it’s an 8th, an 11th, a 44th, and whatever slot our first rounder lands at next year for Jones, a 31st, and a sixth rounder..if you consider the 31st pick and the 44th pick a wash since they’re so close together, then it’s Boqvist and two firsts for Jones and a sixth..not horrible at all when you consider that Jones is the highest draft pick being moved..what I consider to be bad is that the Hawks, once again, don’t seem to have a strong grasp on whether they’re in a rebuild or not..Stan simply doesn’t have patience..it’s his worst quality as a gm..he finally, after all these years, clears significant cap space, and then immediately spends all of it…he tells Hawks fans that this is a process, that he’s trying to accumulate young assets and then let them develop, but then trades the very picks that can bring in those young assets..and does so in order to bring in a young defenseman who will probably spend at least the first couple years of his extension watching this team try and develop/mature into a playoff contender..so which is it? Rebuilding? Or trying to get back into the playoffs? Because it appears that he’s trying to walk the tightrope of rebuilding while at the same time getting back into the playoffs..and it is incredibly hard to do both at once..
Now, time to look at end of the first round prospects since I hadn’t really researched any back of the first round players at all lol..
Acquiring Jones is a calculated gamble for sure but I like the aggressiveness shown by the Hawks
They kept all the young guys (except Boquist) – in 2 or 3 years they will be ready to make a significant playoff impact while Jones will hopefully be a Norris candidate
The salary cap will start to rise by then and the back half of Jones’ contract will look better
You can’t have a team of all young guys
Of course if you don’t like Seth Jones then you hate this trade
I’m OK with the trade parameters but wish the Cap hit was more in the $8M range … but, we wanted the elusive #1 d-man and now we have one so on balance I’m pleased with the trade. In fact I’m surprised Boqvist was the only player the Hawks had to lose and even though I’m a big Boqvist fan and wouldn’t be surprised if he blossoms into a very good offensive d-man – he isn’t and will not ever be a true #1 d-man like Seth Jones has been and is very likely to be throught most if not all of the 9 years he will be with the Hawks.
The rebuild hinged on improving the d-corps and improving the d-corps would not be complete without a Seth Jones type anchor. Rather than see this as a rebuild destroying move – I see it as a huge step in the rebuild. If anything, this accelorated the rebuild by a year or two because it was really the d-corps that needed the extra time to ripen on the vine with game experience – now the harvest can happen a little sooner.
OK so now the particulars of the trade are announced. The Blue Jackets must be sipping champagne right now. StanBo got fleeced again. Jones had 12 more points than Boqvist had last year and played 21 more games than him. Plus no elite draft picks for 2 more years. StanBo not only still thinks he’s smarter than Q, he thinks he’s the best GM in the NHL!!!! Surprise!! At least he’s big!!
According to puckpedia there is large portion that is signing bonus and its front loaded.
I’m gonna fckimg be sick.
Ian, what are the implications of it being front-loaded? Isn’t the AAV for cap purposes divided out over length of contract?
Further, Hawks have a number of young guys and have been adept at signing European and college free agents. I am not bothered by picks at all. What am I missing?
Enjoy the banter and hard core hockey talk on this board.
Good trade.
Overall what do you want two players that are a 3 4 or 5 playing top pair at 2m each or two actual top pair Defensemen at 9.5 and somehwere in the 5m-9m area for the 2nd. Dunks and Seabs were 5.5 and 7m back in 2010 caphits are higher now.
We gave a fair amount though fair enough to get a top pair guy. Ok with that because do you want to be a top 5 team again or sit for 10 yrs until 19 88 are retireed and really start from scratch.
Now go get the 2nd top pair Defensemen from ufa for fee and were right on track for being top 5 team again.
Need lots of hardnose players and get rid of those soft passer players and a good team system. Its starts now.with this.
And
REVAMP this thing now!
Tavish went top 3 and Johnson Edvinsson top 5 and the 4 top pair Defensemen in draft went top 8 so unless we were trading up this is only way to get to pair guys.
Now lets try to get a gem in 2nd. I am going to go with us getting two gems in 1st hald of 2nd round.
This must be payback for fleecing Edmonton with Keith
The cost was fair enough you go and get the top pair guys we need two of them or you sit at home for 10 yrs and say hey we needed the cap space.
Only way it cost too much is us having a bottom 3 record and get a top 3 pick.
SOXFAN all i was thinking is it makes the buyout cost last couple of years of his contract not likely an option.
Swapping firsts this draft, is not as big a deal as usual. Boqvist and next years 1st, you have to give something to get something, definitely a trade that both teams could benefit from. Maybe Lambos gets drafted with 31st pick, Little Dach with 61st pick.
How do you pay out that much money for that long without even seeing if this guy pans out? At least the Seabrook and Keith contracts were based on loyalty and past production
I’m hearing 9.5 AAV……sounds like a lot. Hopefully lives up to that
@springfield soxfan..that is a good point regarding the Hawks ability to always find European free agents and NCAA free agents to add to our roster..for instance, Kalynuk looks like he could play on a top two pairing already and he didn’t cost anything..it’s an interesting dichotomy because the Hawks have struggled to find elite talent in the draft for awhile, yet a lot of those same scouts are able to unearth some quality gems from outside of the draft.. btw, is anyone keeping track of how many first round draft picks the Hawks still have on their roster from the past 10 years or so? I think it’s Beaudin, Dach and Reichel..I’m almost positive that’s it..if I were those young men, I’d make sure I rented month to month-don’t commit to a purchase and a mortgage lol..maybe room with Cat since at least we know he’s staying put..and he now is in need of a roommate..
@ebonyraptor..very true..with Jones in place, the Hawks can at least now begin to evaluate our young blueliners with everyone slotted accordingly..and hopefully, the blueline’s upward trajectory will be steeper with a top pair defenseman in place..
Also, as Tab alluded to..there have to be a few more moves by the Hawks this offseason, no? There are still a good number of our own rfas to sign and 4.4 mil less in cap space to do it..have to assume a player or two could still be on the move..
I am OK with the trade, maybe because I am not a big Boqvist fan. Should have throw in Nylander as a bonus.
I am very interested in learning more about the details of the contract. If there is a NMC then it is Seabrook 2.0. Big Money / Log Term Deal / NMC – pick any 2. NEVER give up all 3.
I believe long term contracts can (not always) lead to complacency and decline. Also, there are so many variables that can have an impact over 8 years (injuries, health issues, personal issues, personality conflicts, etc…) that can hamstring a team for a long time.
Bowman didn’t give up alot, but is overpaying a HUGE amount, Jones is NOT worth 9.5mil for 8 yrs…..are you kidding me ?!! This is Seabrook 2.0….this Moron just doesn’t learn does he. Only hope is Toews retires after next year and Kane takes a lesser contract at approx 6 mil per yr for maybe 3 yrs…ugh !!!
Hate it. Gave away too much, gave out a contract that is too long and too expensive, and knee-capped the rebuild (which apparently was never really on). The only thing I don’t dislike is parting with Boqvist (I wanted him to succeed but I never believed he would and still don’t).
This falls squarely on Rockwell. Bowman should have been sacked in 2017 after Preds destroyed us. I don’t live in Chicago so Rocky is not getting my money, but if I had seasons I would dump them.
Dollar Bill made it clear he never gave a **** about the fans and so I had no real expectations. This is worse because with proper management we could actually be a top tier team again.
I ran across an article recently where Stan was rated number 27 amongst NHL general managers (shocking to see him rated so highly). Maybe the Aldrich thing blows up and Stan is gone. I don’t know what else to hope for.
Bowman is a complete joke of a manager. This is seabrook contract x 10. Jones was never a pimple on seabrooks ass, yet he now is the highest paid hawks defenseman ever. What a complete moronic move by bowman. I cant believe That this type of move is approved by DW.
What did it cost? Too much.
And 9.5 aav is too much too.
as lazerus in the athletic wrote ….. chicago was in a bidding war against itself. and still somehow lost. paid too much in the trade. paid too much in the contract. for a guy who had a substantially bad year last year and will be 27 when the season starts.
the trade is one you make when he is the last piece to the puzzle to compete for a cup. the only competing they will do next year is to make the playoffs.
oh well. it’s been a good life for me. four cup wins in my time as a fan. can’t complain.
Those that are fans of the trade made some very compelling arguments. I still believe Bowman got took on both the trade and extension. How about the trade minus next year’s #1 pick and an extension for 6 years instead of 8? 8 years is a long cotton-pickin’ time!!!. Lazerus (The Athletic) said it best so far, “… it feels like Chicago was in a bidding war against itself. And still somehow lost.”
Forgot to mention – instead of the first round pick for next year, I bet throwing in Kubalik would have got it done. He’s good but one dimensional and quite replaceable!
I Value Beaudin more than Boqvist
Kalynuk/Kaiser – will be decent too
Don’t like the loss of picks/ or moving down… cuz They are NOT close to being serious contenders.
Common Stankoven!!
That Kent Johnson- SICK/Filthy backhander!!! Gonna be a player
Looks like the Hawks saw the very flawed side of Boqvist that many of us did. He was never going to physically last so I’m glad it saved us from giving up a healthy and valuable asset. Now let’s hope that Bowman is moving Zadorov, DeHaan,Strome, and Carpenter. Let the culture change begin. A final note,I’m still of the opinion that Toews will not be back but,I have been wrong before.
Was thinking if we could have gotten the 25th pick instead of the 32nd could have picked Lambos or Ceulemans. They go 25, 26 damn.
A strange move for a”Rebuild” but excited to have a player like Jones on the club. The money is high, but for those who say wait till Jones is a UFA at the end of the year? No chance. Columbus was going to trade him somewhere, and whoever got him would sign him to a contract right away.
Fleeced by Columbus again. Some teams should be on a no-trade list.
Raty or Pinelli
Wow…pick no 32
Wow..
Can’t believe the pick they made ..
So the Hawks end day 1 of the draft with Seth Jones and Nolan Allan (who appears to have absolutely zero offensive upside) while the Blue Jackets end day one of the draft with Kent Johnson, Cole Sillinger, Corson Ceulemans, Adam Boqvist and Jake Bean..hmmmm…seems like one of these teams knows what a rebuild looks like..
Paid too much. Gave up too much. Boqvist and one first rounder should have been enough. Giving up the 2022 1st rounder was just dumb. 9.5 for 8 years? I guess the rebuild is over and was a success?
@timw..glass half full, you’ve been looking for more size throughout the lineup..the Hawks could end up with one of the more massive bluelines in the nhl in a couple years..Seth Jones, Caleb Jones, Stillman and Murphy will all be on the roster next year with Vlasic, Phillips, Krutil, Regula, and the new kid they just drafted Allan part of the next waves..tons of size coming to the Hawks blueline..
This move is worse and worse… question is now, who can the Hawks move to get their 1st rnd pick back for next year ?? But still can’t get over that contract….and I bet it has a NMC….Bowman hands those out like pieces of chewing gum at the playground….sickening.
M-NTC
and front loaded so forget a buyout later
Most Hawks fans would agree the most important missing ingredient to the Hawks becoming a legitimate Cup contender was a true #1 d-man AND it was going to be the most difficult to acquire. If the Hawks had won the lottery and selected Owen Power and he turned into a true #1 it would be at least 2 years and more likely 3 or 4 years before he played like a true NHL #1 d-man. That would have been OK if it was OK to take another 3 or 4 years to complete the rebuild. For me, taking another 3 or 4 years to complete the rebuild was acceptable – but how many other Hawks fans would have been patient enough to wait 3 or 4 years? Based on the comment section on this blog, most Hawks fans had already lost patience or was not willing to go more than another season.
The Seth Jones acquisition just moved the timetable up one or two years. Now, with the #1 d-man and most of the top-6 in place, the bottom-6 and the rest of the d-corps need to be solidified – all of which is easier to do than getting a #1 d-man.
For those who counter it would have been better to wait until next summer when Jones and other d-men would be available UFA’s – I say strike when the opportunity is there because it may not be there next summer.
Kalynuk-S.Jones
????-Murphy
????-Mitchell
Where ???? could be Beaudin, C.Jones, Stillman, Zadorov, and a host of prospects who haven’t played any NHL games yet but could matriculate over the next couple years.
I love this trade and think it has sped up the rebuild.
Anyone who thinks this trade is a good thing must have blinders on. What has jones done to earn toews/kane type money for 8 years? Has he won 2 cups like toews/kane? This transaction is a complete joke. Bowman is a joke of a gm. Basically 3 first round picks, and 8 years of 9.5 mil? Are you kidding me? I have to question my hawks fandom at this point in time. I think i will end up with a lot of extra due to not having to watch games. Bowman should have resigned at the onset of the current scandal. Not left in power to handicap the team with his inept deals. What a joke. This team will be mired in mediocrity for years
The genius gm trades for jones and then drafts another defensemen in the first round. Bowman is definitely the right guy fir the rebuild.
Trading 2 each #1 draft choices, a young decent dman, and paying the new guy $9m/year for 8 years…. NOT 2 Bright…
The player picked at #12 (#11) Cole Sillinger is projected to be a middle-6 player. Every other player still on the board at #11 was projected to be a middle-6 or lower. In other words the Hawks, by trading the #11 pick, missed out on a middle-6 guy who would take a year or two to get to the NHL.
The Hawks strength is young middle-6 guys – they have oodles of them – Suter, Kurashev, Borgstrom, Gaudette, Hagel, Nylander, Strome, and since Kane, DCat and Toews/Dach would be considered the top line – you can add Kubalik and Reichel into the list of young middle-6 guys. So, with all those middle-6 guys on the roster I’m curious why some Hawks fans think losing out on another middle-6 guy is akin to ruining the rebuild? It’s not a rebuild crushing move.
The 2022 1st rounder is lottery protected so even if the Hawks don’t improve much from the 2021 record their pick will be another middle-6 guy. Not a rebuild crushing move either.
Yes, draft picks are crucial for a rebuilding team but it seems to me the Hawks have enough young players in the system – they just need enough of those young players to step up and gain experience which takes time to play games to get that experience. The hard-to-play against 4th line type guys are probably the easiest to find on the trade or free agent market if the Hawks find they don’t have what they need in house.
I think the structure of the rebuild is now in place. Now the details and particulars need to be ironed out which will take another year or two.
@Billy Reay: Aren’t you happy StanBo got rid of Duncan Keith and his -13 P/M to blow 9 1/2 Million on Seth Jones with his -18 P/M??? Can’t blame Keith anymore!!!!
I have been saying that Stan will trade for Seth Jones the moment Jones announced that he wasn’t going to re-sign with Columbus. I also said that Jarmo will fleece Stan again! What I didn’t know is how badly Stan would overpay Jones. So, I Meatloaf’d it – 2 out of 3 ain’t bad!
I am OK with trading Boqvist. He is just too small and too slow to be a #1 pairing defensemen. I know you had to give up this year’s #1 to land Jones, so fine. The only way this comes out somewhat tolerable is if the Hawks’ 2022 1st round pick is in the 20’s and then it’s almost a wash with the 32nd pick, where they chose Allan. BTW, I will never question who the Hawks draft this late in the 1st round, because their scouts are excellent.
PROS: Believe it or not, there are many pros to this trade. We get a true #1 defensemen with size, and from the right side. The younger Jones is developing too, and will have his brother to teach him, push him, and cover for him. Also, we lose Boqvist. The kid was terrible in the defensive end. Mitchell is a better overall defensemen!
Jones-Jones
Murphy-Kalynuk
Mitchell-Stillman
Regula-Beaudin
CONS: The money that Stan gave Jones was egregious! Now, he has to move DeHaan, Zadarov, and Connelly to get $10M back and then sign Landeskog, and we have ourselves a legit playoff team!
Idk, do you trust Colliton to use/coach Jones to top performance? What information suggest he can?
Love Jones’ size. Just seems he wasn’t a top tier player last year. That contract will be a major issue if he plays bad.
A key moment in last Blackhawks renaissance was the FA signing of Brian Campbell. At that time no one understood the money or the term. The next FA move was adding Hossa. Let’s see what the next FA signing is in Chicago …
Three biggest Blackhawks myths:
1. The Blackhawks are committed to winning another Stanley Cup. You will never hear them say that is their goal or their strategy.
2. The Blackhawks are ‘rebuilding’. Bowman pulls out all the wiggle words to avoid saying they are rebuilding to win a Stanley Cup and have a timeline.
3. The Blackhawks are making progress (that’s why they renewed Bowman’s and Colliton’s contracts). After 3 years they are no better off and have many more needs to fill than before.
2018-19 36-34-12 Finish = 6th
2019-20 32-30-8 Finish = 7th
2020-21 24-25-7 Finish = 6th
Colliton 86-83-24
As I have said before, Bowman and Colliton are desperate for a winning season and playoff spot. Forget about progress, player development, winning a Stanley Cup. It’s all about appearances.
They will work their top players every night until they drop at the cost of player development. Were Keith, Toews and Kane run into the ground chasing butterflies? What did all those minutes over the last 3 years get us?
Just win today and the suckers will keep buying tickets.
Myth #4 – The Blackhawks conducting a thorough and objective review of the Aldrich scandal.
Agree with most-like the player and it fills a need-don’t like the money and term. Pretty big gamble by Bowman. Bowman’s last stand? The next weeks and 2 years of 88-19 will tell the tale.
(If this was Jones and his progression/outlook of two years ago would be ecstatic)
A bit confused about these Hawks. Feel like my head is on a swivel.
@ Chicago_Joe ‘A key moment in last Blackhawks renaissance was the FA signing of Brian Campbell. At that time no one understood the money or the term. The next FA move was adding Hossa. Let’s see what the next FA signing is in Chicago …”
Campbell and Hossa were signed by Dale Tallon as GM. The “renaissance” also involved replacing an inexperienced Denis Savard with Joel Quenneville and getting rid of Huet and Khabibulin (and their contracts) in goal.
Signing FA’s can be a good strategy as you point out, as long as their is a goal (win the Cup) and a strategy to accomplish it – which they had back in 2009.
Hate the trade because of the contract. Jones has already been in the nhl for 9 seasons , so at the end of his contract he will have played 17 yrs. people bitched about Keith and Seabrook at the end of their contracts , what do you think Jones will look like at the end of his. You also have to consider that Jones played for both Nashville and Columbus which both and strong defensive systems. He also had quality defense partners. Jones is good , but we will see how good in this hawk system. Also Elliot Friedman reported Jones was only considering Chicago or Dallas. So Bowman was bidding against himself.
If look only at the trade, my grade is “okay” not great, not bad, just “okay”
Looking at the extension though? Stupid!!! Jones’ numbers are getting worse year-by-year, and he has lots of wear & tear on him already – performance on the back end won’t be what it has been recently, let alone at his peak – which is what the dollars are tied to. Too long, too much AAV.
Current team members have contracts upcoming – how do the Jones dollars & term affect their expectations?
Like HAWKS29 said earlier, four Cups in my lifetime as fan has made me very happy. This transaction does not give me hope to see another one.
@Noonan: “A bit confused about these Hawks. Feel like my head is on a swivel.”
Understandably so. In 2017/18 we drafted a bunch of smurfy defenseman because allegedly that was the way the game was going. After that seemed an overreach we went back for size because that was clearly missing. Then came the summer of broken fee agent signings (CDH, Shaw, Maata) which lead nowhere. Next, the full rebuild. But now as of yesterday the rebuild is over and we’re onto the next phase whatever you want to call it because I still have not idea what this rudderless sh*tshow is attempting to be (other than perhaps a vessel for Stanbo’s fantasy that he is actually a hockey person just like his dad).
Boycott!
Got a D man who can play in all situations, regular shift, PK and PP. He has size apparently leadership abilities with being an alternate captain. This fascination with draft picks that all these guys are going to live up to their advanced billing is just that a fascination. As far as I am concerned they are all suspects till they prove otherwise.As far as the money if he doesn’t get it they will give it to somebody else its a business first and a sport second. I realize the draft is important but, its a crap shoot at best.
The rebuild is not over it’s just been moved up
It was a steep price but if Jones plays to his capabilities it’ll be worth it – Hawks have lots of young players who can grow and contribute – I’m ok with Stan using his draft capital rather than losing 3 young players instead of just one Boquist (and I liked Boquist)
Hawks are clearly trying to build a team back quickly to take advantage of the last good years of T and K and that’s Ok with me
The contract is rich but it’ll look better when the cap starts to rise again and T and K have new cheaper deals in a couple of years
Is the 9mil spent on Makar a better 9mil spent? It is only for 6 years. Makar does look like to be a super star. Should have been Makar 9.5mil for 8yrs and Jones 9mil for 6.
ah Bob Pulford back in the office. Makar @ 9.5mm while this bum is getting 9mm from us hard paying folks. the honeymoon is over this organization, blowman needs to go along with coaching staff. I don’t count the covid season for a playoff appearance since it was like giving a trophy for 9th place runner.
let think about this…did Toews really have an issue with health or was he going to spill the beans about the sexual harassments issue. therefore he sat out on his terms and they paid his salary to be quite. a team leader……still no, Hossa was the captain. eye for an eye and lets hope blowman gets what is coming.
Yes were in a total rebuild mode and that means you add a top pair Defensemen for 8 yrs and a top pair guy caphit. If he was 30 or 35 then yes that would be stupid.
Hes is 25 and in 36 mths will be the 27 28 age that the most ideal top pair Defensemen would be from ufa. 36 mths from now were back to a top 5 team or theres no point. Let just then wait 10 yrs and say we needed to save the cap space because hey cap space is more important then rebuilding the roster back to top 5 team.
Uness we add 5-8 players with caphits of 4-10m we are in still full rebuild.
You have to add two top pair Defensemen and those kind of players come with higher caphits. 101.
We donot have any prospects that are top pair Dunks and Seabs retired after being the best top pair in league for 15 yrs. So we have to add two more/anyway possible to complete a full rebuild.
A full rebuild does not mean draft every player for the 23man and then have 0 top pair guys. Unless your EDM or TOR. I want a top 5 roster not a top 5 regular season roster.
Mean. Hardnose. Enough players with size. Fast. Good skaters. Do it do it!
This. To a T is exactly what we need or we wont be a top 5 team again until another 20 yrs. You have to have two top pair Defensemen in order to compete or its fools gold like EDM TOR others.
WRAPAROUND
July 23, 2021 at 6:53 pm
Love it – ballsy move from Stanbo and I think it’ll pay off
I guess the rebuild is over. Teams in a rebuild mode do not give up two first round picks and a promising youngster for a soon to be 27 year old on the downside of his career( judging by his last two years in Columbus). Stanbo did not learn from the Seabs contract. He must think the Hawks are a serious Cup threat. Possibly he did it to get a few more wins this year to save his job. The Hawks are most likely 2-3 years away from being a serious Cup threat. Jones will be almost 30. Jones needs to be one of the best defensemen in the league for many years to warrant his salary. If not he will be run out of town with his incompetent general manager.
Roamn, yea thought the same thing and fore the lucas lysell lambos other guys we were thinking about at 11 possibles were still there with 14 picks to go to 32 and then 1 2 3 gone.
I like the guy we got a WHL large Defensive Defensmen. Could be like Seabs or Hammer kind. Exactly what we want/need even if we could have got him later in 2nd you take the player you want to get the right guys when you can you do play roulette/gamble with we could have got him later thinking. You do it.
JR ROMAN
July 23, 2021 at 10:08 pm
Was thinking if we could have gotten the 25th pick instead of the 32nd could have picked Lambos or Ceulemans. They go 25, 26 damn.
This and make sure these guys can skate fast and good. PLayers with size that are hardnose good fast skaters.
Culture. REVAMP the roster now! While maintain the rebuild yes this is retaining the rebuild Seth Jones is 25 and in 36 mths be the 27 28 a ufa top pair guy would be age wise.
What did ER say no one older then 25 well this fits the age range.
SLAYERSE7EN
July 23, 2021 at 10:59 pm
@timw..glass half full, you’ve been looking for more size throughout the lineup..the Hawks could end up with one of the more massive bluelines in the nhl in a couple years..Seth Jones, Caleb Jones, Stillman and Murphy will all be on the roster next year with Vlasic, Phillips, Krutil, Regula, and the new kid they just drafted Allan part of the next waves..tons of size coming to the Hawks blueline..
Bottom line: gave up a lot, but the hawks legit don’t know how to draft defensemen so gotta go get em another route
ER, tahts the thing we need to add what we donot have already or prospects and then fill in rest later.
4 81 retied
2 7 retired
Need those four players and this gets us one of them and Vlassic or Allan can be the 7 or 4. Defenseive Defensemen is another top 4 player we need. Hammer didnt score too much and was a key core player.
12 has the 10 spot so thats good. Would like to see Reichel have the 20 spot.
The only part I do not like is the 2nd round pick I really wanted to get another gem in the 30-45 area.
Though we got lucky in Reichel getting a top 10 player at 17th we can get lucky again and get that 1st half of 2nd round gem with Allan.
I like it.
Until 19 88 are 40 and 43 and retired we donot need to do a full generational rebuild from stratch. Were not getting taht much in a 19 88 trade to be worth it and better off sucking and getting two more top 3 draft picks after 19 88 retire and get that quality then then half ass in trading them now.
Something else to make note of in regards to this trade..this is now Seth Jones and Cat’s team(I don’t mean in terms of leadership per se, more in terms of financial commitment for our future roster)…whether that’s good or bad remains to be seen, but in two seasons who’s to say where Toews and Kane will be in their careers..we can hope that they would re-sign at more affordable rates, but one or both might not be interested in continuing to rebuild and may be more interested in moving on to another team in hopes of going after another stanley cup..which is their absolute right, if that’s what they choose to do..regardless of the decisions they make, I’d be shocked if Stan didn’t extend Cat(and for probably close to what Jones just signed for) and the future of this team will be built around those two players-and ideally, they would be the center of our new ”core”..right now, only Seth Jones and Stillman are signed after 22-23..and during the Summer of 23 is when I would expect Cat’s extension..
I’m also interested to see how long the contracts are for our rfa’s this season..I would expect a lot of one and two year deals..when Stan was talking about a ”clean slate” in two years for the roster, he was being literal..he’s still trying to determine who to give longer term and money to..he’s trying to figure out the next 5-6 players who will form the new ”core” along with Jones and Cat..should make for an intriguing offseason this year and next..
Great Trade . . . gave up little with potential big upside. Seth Jones will make the Hawks much better defensively immediately. Jones is very good on the power play which has hurt the hawks in the past. He pretty physical so now we’re tougher to play in our end, behind the net and in front of the net. Jones strength which is overlooked by NHL insiders is that ” when a puck is dumped into our zone, his skill set to get the puck, hold the puck, maintain possession, calm, big and use his size and skill to make a smart exit pass.” Yes, Victor Hedman comes to mind. That is Hedmans value too, steady and sure behind the net. Up and out, calm, no turnovers. That ability is key to starting the offense, that rebound in the nba, that turn up ice, head up, and that first crisp outlet pass. Adam Bo00-qvist was average at best and when you see him skate in warmups he looks like Bobby Orr but when the puck drops he looks clumsy an unsure like he’s play lacrosse on ice. No instinct but plenty of skills, but BO-MAN made a nice trade here. Maybe a new venue proves me wrong. BUT having Jones maybe paired with Murphy to me looks steady and dependable. I’d sign Zadorov and we have two big bodies in the back end. Riley Stillman has promise and Kalynuk too and but ,I’m a big fan of Ian Mitchell’s, he’s so fluid, great instinct. We really just need one of these three to “Click” . I see Seth Jones returning to 2017-18 season type numbers but certainly others see his decline. Chicago will be his rebirth.
You’d think this blog was run by a bunch of accountants? I get the CAP CHAT. Hawks are not in a rebuild, maybe a re tune? This proof to me that Jonathan Toews is definitely returning. My instinct says he is not coming back but this is the only sign I see that he’s coming back, not trying to come back or wanting to come back, but he is BACK. Remember a “Seth Jones “type” player is not often available. 6 foot 4 – 215 pounds etc. Defense men at 5 foot 11 and 175 are a dime a dozen a la Boqvist. We are in the age a slightly larger d-men, size, ability to absorb a hit and skate like a winger.
For those lamenting Makar signing for $9M while Jones signed for $9.5M – there is a huge difference in leverage and consequential deal – Makar is RFA with little room to do anything other than sit out, whereas Jones would have UFA and able to call his own shots. Those facts must be factored in to have a fair assessment of the trades, especially in comparison with each other.
Bloggers and commenters appear to be apoplectic about this deal. They might be right. They might be wrong. Here is the contrary side of what we are seeing on blogs.
The Hawks are going to be mired in mediocrity for a long time based on the current roster and what’s in the pipeline. Second, something drastic needed to be done. Third, we constantly heard whining about a small defense. This takes a major step towards correcting that. Fourth, people are obsessed about Jones’ metrics declining the past few years. A case can be made that everything Tortorella touched recently went down the dumper. That could be the situation here. The eye test with Jones is different than the metrics. He might be outstanding. Fifth, the contract is continually compared to Seabrook’s, but this one expires when Jones is 36. That is a big difference than contracts that run to a player’s 40’s. Sixth, Boqvist was injury prone, including concussions. Unloading a player that did not appear to be tough enough to take on really physical players is not a bad thing. Seventh, mid-first round draft picks often do not work out. Giving these up is not the same as giving up a top 5 draft pick.
The first rounder in 2022 is tough to swallow and the contract is really questionable. The Hawks have the money, but the question still is whether or not you want to “overpay.” However, without some bold, risky moves, what we have seen the past 4 years is what would continue in Chicago. There is no question that this could blow up in Bowman’s face. If it does, it should be the end of him. You have to wonder if he and management view this as that sort of deal. There is also the possibility that this turns out to be a great move.
The easy reaction is that this was stupid and reckless. It might turn out that way. We’ll see.
For me, this deal has an added element because of the sexual harassment spectacle looming over the front office. With the investigation going on, and with there at least being the possibility of Stan not being around much longer (I said the possibility), did Rocky have to sign off on this one? Usually it’s a GM’s call ….. but this is a unique situation for the Blackhawks. Lots of cap space tied up in one player ….. somewhat of an all-in move. And a front office that could possibly not be around to manage the future handling of the cap space woes a contract of this size could cause.
I guess it ultimately boils down regardless to how Jones competes and performs, but it is still strange. The Seabrook deal (and Seabrook often himself) was crucified due to its duration and “perceived” toll on the organization. Some other contracts are continually bitched about (Toews for one).
I’m actually surprised I’m not seeing more hate for this deal than I already am, just based on the dough alone.
Also, a question; I heard some talking heads expressing that Caleb Jones will get playing time in the D-Corps this upcoming season. Do you folks think he’s really going to push anyone out who is currently in the running for one of the spots?
RobS: All of your points are logical and sensible. However I can’t agree with your #4 – the combo of Jones looking better than the numbers and the Torts effect. Don’t have specifics at hand, but my recollection (may be wrong) is Jones hasn’t received any Norris trophy votes for quite a while – that means neither numbers nor eye test add up to the dollars and term. Yes he is now the defacto #1 D-man and we need that, but is he “number one enough” for the price?
UB – FWIW Jones didn’t get Norris votes this past year but did the year before although I’m not sure how many
Jones is a much better skater than Seabs ever was so there’s good reason to think he can maintain a high level well into his 30s
Does this deal fall in line with the statement the organization released prior to last season? Interested in anyone’s take on that.
Feel Allan was a good selection.
I wanna play poker with Stan!
Maybe Stan could’ve gotten Dougie for $8.5m, Cole Sillinger at 12, 40th pick, and his first next year, still have Boquist and still be rebuilding.
This is not rebuilding this is saving a job building. Instead of DK/boquist we now have the Jones bros. not much improvement there. what dynamic has really changed? The fowards are smurf like, few backcheck and if Toews has any problems that’s it folks. And will Lankinen take the next step?
Say next year the Hawks finish as the leagues 29th team, instead of getting a generational talent we get nada, zip, zilch.
#Stanchiarelli needs to be sacked pronto
Ryan, I don’t think the trade for Seth changes the rebuild plan – it just accelorates it a bit. At some point in the rebuild process the Hawks would have to acquire a #1 d-man either through trade, free agency or the draft. If it was going to be through the draft it would have been hit and miss and even if you hit it would be at least 2-3 years before the future #1 d-man blossomed into the current #1 d-man. So, now the #1 d-man is squared away and the rebuild can continue apace so that (optimistically) the rebuild is a year or two closer to completion.
If the Hawks could have gotten Hamilton at around the same length and aav in FA that would have made more sense since they wouldn’t have been losing draft capital in a trade. Maybe Hamilton didn’t want to come here or the Jones trade had to be done before the draft in order to happen at all. 9.5m for 8 years makes Jones the 3rd highest paid D player in the league next year but he has not performed at that level for at least 3. At least Jones only has a M-NTC and his contract will expire when he is 35… I think. This could be a good acquisition but Jones has to really really earn it. I just don’t understand signing him to an extension immediately either. That indicates Seth’s agent was like 8 years 9.5m and Stan said sounds good. In this era saving 1-2m a year on a long term contract is a big deal as that allows for more depth options. With the way SJ has played the last few years the argument can be successfully made that he is worth 7-8m a year.