I hate when I’m right about such nonsense,although we’ve won with Duncs before.And might get a solid game out of the Hawks now that they have to compensate.Also the PP gets a new QB.Might spark somthing also.
C’mon Duncan, Not the best example you want to be setting as the assistant captain. I was shocked that Shaw (gasp!) seemed to be the most composed out of the guys last night. But I hope this is the wake up call that Duncan & all the others need for this series. Question is, who will play instead of Keith?? Brookbank?
I’m fine with it. Let’s hope this is the last time something like this ever happens. If the Kings can beat us without Richards, then we should be able to circle the wagons and win without Keith.
I like the way the NHL reviews penalties and gives a detailed explanation for further punishment, but I question them reviewing this play. The refs saw the entire thing, start to finish, it’s not as if they missed some act away from the play that needed to be addressed. Are plays of this nature now an automatic game misconduct? because that’s what it seems the NHL thinks should have been called. If their going to review these plays they need to review the officiating also. Come out and say how it should have been called on the ice, and instruct the refs to do so. Let the refs call what they see, and review what they don’t, instead of second guessing the calls made on the ice.
Keith can use the vacation…the Hawks will persevere…as for the decision to suspend Keith, its typical of the NHL…the player who gets hit, starts the whole thing and treated like the saint he isn’t.
There’s a little phrase that has survived thousands of years…what comes around goes around Mr. Carter.
Now’s the time for 19 & 88 to make a statement. Some production from them would go a long way to taking the pressure off the back end.
Brookbank tomorrow; I can’t see bringing in a kid from Rockford for the blue line in game 4 of the conference finals against a team that crashes the zone like the Kings do and likely will tomorrow night. While we lose everything that Keith brings, Bb at least brings playoff experience and some physicality.
And the boyz need to play 60 minutes like they did the final 10 in game 3.
My college coach always said you have to be in control of your stick at all times.
That being said, Keith knew he screwed up the second he did it. His reaction showed it all. He is lucky it was only a game, but was deserved. For years the refs have always called the retaliation.
Wake up call, we shall see, but Minny came out with a must win attitude in game 3 just like LA. They will come out hot again, we have to weather the storm and need some of the higher paid players to show up.
Damn Boston looks strong in the east. LA and Chicago are a war of attrition, beating the living hell out of each other and the winner may be going to a healthy bean town.
Clendening it this type of game, that will be joke. Send a guy to soon in nhl and you can mess up his carier. Agains Minnesotta? Maybe. Agains Detroit? Doubtfully. Agains LA? No way.
We’ll see Brookbank, tonight. Remember, he played with Anaheim on their ’07 cup team. The guy has experience, he’s not a rookie.
Somewhere, somehow the reffing has become “inconsistent” this playoff season. It was brutal in the Hawk game and it was brutal in the Bruin game, last night. The Jagr hook on Malkin that led to the winning goal was a terrible “no call”. The whole situation with Keith and Carter was ridiculous. Carter should have been thrown in the box before Keith even sticked him. However, what Keith did was not acceptable. You can’t take the law into your own hands.
Hopefully, the senior officials have had conversations with the “on ice” officials and things will get back to normal. There has been way too many slashes, high sticks, trips, hooks and boarding penalties that are not called. In this playoff season, the players don’t know what’s right and wrong.
Disagree that the refs have been “brutal.” Completely so. Rather the refs have “let them play” in the 3rd round. Which in all my years of following the sport is the normative when you get to this stage of the playoffs. The rules have been equal for both teams…it just so happens that a team with more physicality and size (e.g., LA, Boston) benefits a bit more.
There’s no crying in hockey. Hawks need to suck it up. The Kings have done nothing outlandishly bad on the ice. They are banging away, finishing checks, and taking the sort of “cheap shots” that are the norm for this point in the postseason. And the Hawks have been taking near equal liberties. Unfortunately for us, Keith made a shit stupid decision by getting his stick up into Carter’s yap. Keith knew the second he committed the act that he was going to be suspended.
Kane needs to grow a pair and show up tonight. If we’re going to pretend he’s an elite level player, then he needs to prove it. Stop playing like a pussy and go dig out a puck once in awhile, even if it means you might get your ass handed to you. 11 other forwards have been willing to sacrifice on the ice…time you do the same Kaner. Simply floating in the middle and HOPING somebody gets you the puck ain’t going to cut it.
And Leddy has to take two big steps forward, as he has shown there is still quite a lot of growing up that is needed in his game.
Stop the madness. We will see Brookbank tonight. This is why he is on the team. But, if the Hawks lose it will be Q’s fault……of course cause he should have played someone else. Brookbank is gonna have to shake off a little rust, so I hope the Hawks survive the first 10 minutes. However, Brookbank is the ONLY choice here. It is not fair to put a Clendening out there at this point. He would be overwhelmed.
What interests me more is the pairings.
Seab/Hammer…..26 min
Leddy/Oduya…….22 min
Rosy/Brookbank…12 min
I think one Hawk problem is, not sure Rosy is up for big minutes physically and it would be hard to believe that Brookbank can go more than 12-14 minutes after such a long layoff. The top 2 pairings are going to have a long night. But I think they will be OK. We need this one in regulation!
RTF I agree with you about Leddy, but as I have said before, considering his age, size and lack of AHL seasoning he has done a GREAT job for the Hawks. He is a 3d pair D-man playing 2cd pair level and minutes. Leddy will be solid 2cd pair NHL D-man in a season or two. Leddy will probably never be a top pair D-man based on his lack of size but he will get stronger with age.
I am not saying or suggesting anything…..but I would not be surprised if Leddy is asked to play forward sometime during his career.
Seabrook and Leddy played together for a good part of the year. They can go back together. Hammer and Oduya will lead in ice time. Oduya will probably eat some of Brookbank’s shifts to limit his exposure.
A reason this sucks even more is because it’s on the road. LA will be able to get the matchup they want whenever Brookbank is on the ice and that doesn’t bode well for the Hawks. Not because he’s a terrible defender, but because he hasn’t played in 6 weeks.
The Hawks need to dominate this game in the offensive zone. Here’s to hoping they get the cycle game working.
So when does Q decide to take the A away from Keith? And for people complaining that the official should have called Carter first… how would Keith have even known with the referee behind him? Ridiculously stupid and selfish play.
I don’t see Seabs and Hammer playing together when they play the same “D” Position. I think it is Hammer/Oduya, Seabs/Leddy, and then Rosy and Brookbank. That way only one D pair has a man out of position (Rosy/Brookbank play the same “big” D position). I think you have to get 14 minutes minimum out of Rosy and Brookbank…scary as hell, but you have to do it.
The problem the Hawks will have tonight is that I’m not sure Seabrook can play 25 plus minutes right now. This is where the grind of playoff style hockey games every 48 hours REALLY starts to take a toll, and where the loss of Keith for even one game his huge and will have a probable domino affect.
I just hope that Seabrook and Hjalmarsson spent yesterday in the jacuzzi and took several power naps. They will need their rest for tonight.
The fatigue factor goes both ways, our problem is we will be missing a player who logs 25-30 minutes a game. JS I think you break up Hammer and Oduya because IMO Oduya can’t handle top pair ice time PLUS some of BB or Rosy shifts. The other 4 are going to be asked to skate a long night.
I think that hammer or Oduya will be with Brookbank. They’ll want some legs to go along with his size and lack of speed. Leddy should be with Seabrook. This may be a nice motivator for the Hawks. You know, the “us against them” attitude.
“If the NHL suspends Keith for that slash but let Matt Cooke walk for his boarding in Game One, Shanahan should wear a big red nose & makeup in the video explaining why.
Was it a bad hack? Sure. But based on the precedent set already in these conference final series, it’s not worthy of a suspension.”
Well said Tab, I agree with the suspension for Keith – although what player in the NHL wouldn’t have reacted in a similar way when getting their bare hand hacked???
The unfairness is obvious, maybe we should replace NHL with IRS…….
Oh & one more thing – Hammer is a cyborg for sure, the Bruins Campbell broke his leg in blocking a shot similar to Hammers’…… Major kudos to Campbell & to Hammer !!! Not only blocking the shot but then getting back into the play…. WOW
If slashing people in the face is a common reaction for players that feel threatened, it would happen more often. Turns out it doesn’t, so your argument is wrong.
Also, find me an angle where Carter hits Keith’s hand rather than just his glove. Also, did you miss earlier in the game when Keith crosschecked the back of someones head? Also, did you miss the game before where Shaw gave a two handed slash to the back of someones knee?
Dirty shit happens in hockey all the time, the proper response is NOT slashing someone in the face. STOP DEFENDING WHAT HE DID FOR F’S SAKE.
Seems like a pretty large precedent the League is setting with this. Carter didn’t get hurt he got cut. Duncan drew blood on a high stick and served his double minor. Why a suspension? Shanahan should also then suspend Dustin Brown for taking runs at people 100 feet from the puck he has done it in every game of this series sometimes multiple times in the same game.
Jeff Carter is a loser. He high sticked Duncan earlier in the game. He had grabbed Duncs stick and slashed his hand earlier in that sequence he deserved to get blasted and Dunc deserved to sit for 4 mins nothing more nothing less. You can’t claim the refs are letting them play and then go completely overboard with penalties when a guy gets a little boo boo.
JS i’m not defending Keith as it was a foolish thing he did and careless use of his stick, but if you think Carter wasn’t trying to slash at his wrist your kidding yourself. Carter simply missed and if you look at it in sequence Carter whacks Keith in the back in front of the net, then swings at his wrist so there were two actions. Keith should have taken his number and wiped him out with a good hit later on.
Yes, he should have taken his number and then elbowed him a few minutes later like he did to Sedin, because that worked out so well.
By saying Carter deserved it because of what he did to Keith is to defend his actions.
Ryan- he slashed someone in the head. That NEEDS to be a harsh penalty because of how dangerous of an action it is. The chin is what… 4-5 inches away from the eye? Yeah, not careless at all.
I’m glad you are able to tell what Carter was trying to do. Can you also tell me what I’m thinking right now?
I’m also glad that we are all calling Carter a dirty player when Keith has been suspended twice in the last 13-14 months for dirty hits. Get the damn homer glasses off people.
Ryan, Raffi Torres was suspended for the rest of that series. Good one!
Bolland didn’t hip check Richards. Initial point of contact was chin on back after Bolland lunged upwards at him. If the games weren’t back to back and LA immediately came out and told the league that Richards was concussed, Bolland would have gotten a game, I guarantee it.
JS get off your self righteous high horse…what Keith did was a penalty, and that’s what he got from the ref who watched the whole thing unfold for 20 seconds…there was no match penalty or a game misconduct…just a double minor.
Carter STARTED THE WHOLE ALTERCATION…Keith reacted…he was penalized for it as well, while Carter get’s the victim’s treatment by you and the NHL. That’s horseshit…
Don’t you get it…NONE of this happens if Carter doesn’t commit a penalty behind the play, and then continue it to the point of slashing Keith’s bare hand while he was reaching for his glove (while Carter could have been trying to hustle back up ice and help out his team mates defend).
Where does it say the any player, or human, should have protection under these circumstances??? Keith clearly reacted out of pain from being hacked on his hand in anger with a careless stick…wrong thing to do…he got penalized for 4 minutes while we were trying to overcome a 2 goal deficit…END OF STORY. But you and the NHL want to push this ridiculous matter forward…
As for tonight, I’m sure Brookbank will skate with Rozy for 12+ minutes…Leddy will step up with Seabs and do a great job…we will be fine tonight…its the forwards that have to wake up and do their job, which is pressuring the puck handler and back checking voraciously. Crawford will help the D out…score the first goal tonight, and we will win.
Boys……..let’s separate a dirty play form a “dirty player”. Every hockey player, whether it’s high school, men’s league or pro, gives a chop or a cross check to another player to make a statement or get his point across. Not every player who does that is a “dirty player”. Duncan Keith is NOT a dirty player. The closest guy to a dirty player on the Hawks is Carcillo and even he isn’t in the same league as a Raffi Torres or a MAtt Cooke.
Every player and referee in the league all know who the “dirty players” are on every team. Every team used to have 1 or 2 guys who were dirty players, or guys who went out on the ice to hurt someone. Now, in this day and age, there are probably only 12 guys in the entire league who have the intent to “injure” on every play.
I think we all agree that the best way to play this game is to play within the rules and play a good, solid game, just like the Hawks. Duncan Keith screwed up and he knows it. Let’s deal with it tonight and move on. But please don’t put Keith in the same group with Matt Cooke or Raffi Torres. Keith is a class player who screwed up.
Find me a clear view of Carter hitting Keith’s bare hand. Tell me what the penalty was on Carter behind the play. Have you watched the video? Do you remember the play?
It doesn’t matter who started it. It doesn’t matter what happened before. Slashing someone in the face (if he meant to or not), IS NEVER OK. Trying to defend it makes you look foolish.
I’m sure Donald Brashere did enough dirty things in his playing career to “deserve” that two handed slash to the head by McSorely.
“Duncan Keith is a class player who screwed up”…that’s it? Why is this all on Keith? What is Carter who abandons his team mates on defence to harass our best DMan back up the ice…Carter illegally hit Keith twice (without the puck) KNOCKING KEITH’S STICK AND GLOVE FLYING…doesn’t anyone remember that part? How did any of you think Keith had to scrounge for his mitt??? Huh? Because the tooth fairy knocked it out, or he just carelessly dropped it???
Christ, Carter then had the cheap shot energy flow through him as he swung his stick recklessly at Keith’s exposed, bare hand while he tried to retrieve his stick. Its called cause and reaction…Keith reacted dangerously and got penalized for it…end of story…it was CAUSED by Jeff Carter selfishly and purposefully targeting Keith…thus, NO SUSPENSION…as Tab and others said, it shouldn’t have even been reviewed…
Carter’s a pimp in my books…and had better keep his head up the rest of the series.
Brutal JS…re watch the play…Carter cross checks Keith (from behind no less) without the puck behind the play to get it started…PENALTY!
Keith turns to his challenger, and Carter crosschecked Keith again sending his glove and stick flying…PENALTY!
Have you ever played hockey JS??? Do you know how hard it is try and and shake off your own glove if you want to fight someone, let alone have it fall off while you are clenching in anger with your fingers wrapped around a titanium stick???
Maybe some basic physics is in order here…huh?
When Keith went (hunched over and vulnerable) searching for his stick and glove, Carter purposefully reach out and down to target Keith’s exposed hand…PENALTY, and actually a MATCH PENALTY for attempting to deliberately injure a player in a defenceless position.
It doesn’t matter who started it? WTF?
NONE of this ridiculous event happens without Carter committing 3 separate penalties while abandoning his team mates to commit these acts…it has EVERYTHING to do what was provoked it. Ask yourself, how did Carter not draw a penalty behind the play? If you figure that one out, then you will begin to understand the minds of Duncan Keith and many of us here who are aware of what is going on…
JS, the players on the ice know who the dirty players are. Is Keith a head hunter who goes after defensless players? No, he is not. Alot of players have taken liberties with him, so at times he has defended himself. Sorry JS, I would never want a Matt Cooke or a Raffi Torres on the Hawks, but I would want Duncan Keith.
Again, EVERY player at one time or another takes a stupid, retaliatory penalty and regrets it. That doesn’t make them dirty or cheap players.
Carter is the selfish one!? CARTER IS THE SELFISH ONE!? The Hawks best player from this post season is suspended a game because he couldn’t control his emotions and commited a selfish act. Not to mention that by slashing him in the face, he put the Hawks on the PK (without their top PK defenseman) for 4 minutes. Yep, Carter is the selfish one!
Watch that video and tell me how dirty of a play it was by Carter. MAYBE he could have gotten an Unsportsman-like for keeping Keith from getting his glove. Where was the other penalty? MAYBE a high stick when his forearm brushed Keith’s face? MAYBE a roughing when they were jousting. There was no crosscheck. Ever. At all.
I don’t know what some of you are whining about….Keith screwed up, period. Hence the suspension. What Carter did was what happens routinenly on the ice during playoff hockey. Carter did not screw up.
Look at it objectively. Keith blew it, Keith knew he blew it the second it happened, and Keith knew he would be suspended over this.
Stop pissing and moaning. The refs have been fair to both clubs in this series. Ditto the refs in the Boston – Pitt series. This is 3rd round hockey…its a war. The refs let a lot of ticky-tack stuff go. Deal with it. The “rules” are the same for Chicago and LA. But what Keith did is ALWAYS going to be in the wrong.
Childish response…you are simply trying not to lose an argument that has long been over…in your eyes Keith is the selfish one…in the eyes of the league Keith is deserved of a suspension…but all those acts that are clearly on video show Carter as not only the instigator but the constant repeater of said original offence…yep, you must be right.
When a hornet’s nest attacks you alone amongst your team mates three times, you are selfish for responding…I guess…
Remember when some of you wanted to trade Keith? Weird.
Easy call for a suspension. You don’t swing your stick at a guy and hit them in the face. On purpose, on accident this is ridiculous. +20 stitches on an unnecessary, petulant and childish retaliation. If he wanted to get back at him, fighting is still legal and he could have challenged him toe to toe like a “man” or done the professional thing and put a few points on the board. Has no one watched Andrew Shaw play?
Second time in two seasons Keith has lost his mind and delivered a blow to the head in one capacity or another and that is a pretty big concern.
Cater has been to two Stanley Cup finals and has a ring. Playing in a second consecutive western conference final. Won a Calder Cup. I dont like the player but it is kind of tough to call him a loser.
Congratulations to everyone here for condoning stupid and childish behavior, I’m sure your children are a joy to be around.
You think the unselfish team-first play was to slash someone in the face? I’m pretty sure if Keith agreed with you, he wouldn’t have been taking every opportunity to tell Carter he was sorry.
I also don’t understand why you are so certain that Carter was trying to hit Keith’s hand. Does Carter have a history of dirty plays? Pretty sure he has never been suspended. Keith has been suspended for a vicious elbow to the head on a defenseless player.
If Carter was really giving Keith that much of a rough ride, wouldn’t the proper “hockey” response be to ask him to fight? Not just lose your mind and slash a guy in the head? Doesn’t responding the way Keith did encourage more people to mess with him?
JS – I’m not defending Keith’s actions. He simply reacted ( improperly ) and I’m 100% positive he intended to Carter in the arm not the head, hence his reaction. He gets the double minor & a case could be made for 5 & a game, but the ref. watching the whole thing unfold in front of him decides 4 mins. was appropriate.
My beef is the NHL/IRS decides that Cooke also a repeat offender gets 5 & a game for a dangerous hit & gets off with nothing……?????
Keith screwed up & knows it, the added suspension will ensure he never does it again & I’m OK with it because that kind of behavior has to be stopped.
Cooke should sit for at least a game as well.
This inconsistent application of supplemental punishment feeds into the inconsistent application of the rules we see in the playoffs as the Ref’s take their cues from those above.
In the end this has to be viewed as a selfish play by Duncs. I am sure he would admit this if he were to speak in confidence. Carter got the best of#4. Good for him. It’s all about gamesmanship. LA will try and goad our players into retaliating. That is a weapon they can try and use, but the Hawks don’t have to take the bait. This game will probably called closer than the last one. Blackhawks need to use their superior team speed as an advantage. Hope the PP is up for a goal or two. Keep those skates moving and get to the net. Quick is beatable with good pressure and shots upstairs. Quick drops to the ice fast and is often way out of the net to cut angles. We need net presence!
NHL Network stooges give Hawks no chance. I had to turn it off a few minutes ago. Prove em wrong boys.
Keith is one of my favorite players, but he can be a dirty player at times. He just always pays back the opponents whenever he feels slighted.
In this specific instance I think the 4 minutes on Keith was appropriate. Ideally Carter should’ve gotten 2 minutes, but they haven’t been calling ticky-tack penalties like that in the playoffs. I could’ve seen this going either way with no suspension or a 1 game suspension.
Penner intentionally elbows Boland in the head, no call on ice but should be reviewed by NHL/IRS…… I’m betting nothing happens……. But if it happened to precious “Sidney”…….. ??
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Fair. I was worried it would be two games.
Keith and the Blackhawks were lucky, very lucky to only get one game!
I hate when I’m right about such nonsense,although we’ve won with Duncs before.And might get a solid game out of the Hawks now that they have to compensate.Also the PP gets a new QB.Might spark somthing also.
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C’mon Duncan, Not the best example you want to be setting as the assistant captain. I was shocked that Shaw (gasp!) seemed to be the most composed out of the guys last night. But I hope this is the wake up call that Duncan & all the others need for this series. Question is, who will play instead of Keith?? Brookbank?
I’m fine with it. Let’s hope this is the last time something like this ever happens. If the Kings can beat us without Richards, then we should be able to circle the wagons and win without Keith.
Tab, I’m assuming we’re going to see Brookbank take his place. Any chance we see one of the Rockford kids instead?
Alternate, not assistant captain.
I like the way the NHL reviews penalties and gives a detailed explanation for further punishment, but I question them reviewing this play. The refs saw the entire thing, start to finish, it’s not as if they missed some act away from the play that needed to be addressed. Are plays of this nature now an automatic game misconduct? because that’s what it seems the NHL thinks should have been called. If their going to review these plays they need to review the officiating also. Come out and say how it should have been called on the ice, and instruct the refs to do so. Let the refs call what they see, and review what they don’t, instead of second guessing the calls made on the ice.
Keith can use the vacation…the Hawks will persevere…as for the decision to suspend Keith, its typical of the NHL…the player who gets hit, starts the whole thing and treated like the saint he isn’t.
There’s a little phrase that has survived thousands of years…what comes around goes around Mr. Carter.
Now’s the time for 19 & 88 to make a statement. Some production from them would go a long way to taking the pressure off the back end.
Brookbank tomorrow; I can’t see bringing in a kid from Rockford for the blue line in game 4 of the conference finals against a team that crashes the zone like the Kings do and likely will tomorrow night. While we lose everything that Keith brings, Bb at least brings playoff experience and some physicality.
And the boyz need to play 60 minutes like they did the final 10 in game 3.
Go Hawks!
My college coach always said you have to be in control of your stick at all times.
That being said, Keith knew he screwed up the second he did it. His reaction showed it all. He is lucky it was only a game, but was deserved. For years the refs have always called the retaliation.
Wake up call, we shall see, but Minny came out with a must win attitude in game 3 just like LA. They will come out hot again, we have to weather the storm and need some of the higher paid players to show up.
Damn Boston looks strong in the east. LA and Chicago are a war of attrition, beating the living hell out of each other and the winner may be going to a healthy bean town.
OBTW-I do have to agree with Sr. Brad’s final statement.
hey tab, any chance we see clendening?
Clendening it this type of game, that will be joke. Send a guy to soon in nhl and you can mess up his carier. Agains Minnesotta? Maybe. Agains Detroit? Doubtfully. Agains LA? No way.
We’ll see Brookbank, tonight. Remember, he played with Anaheim on their ’07 cup team. The guy has experience, he’s not a rookie.
Somewhere, somehow the reffing has become “inconsistent” this playoff season. It was brutal in the Hawk game and it was brutal in the Bruin game, last night. The Jagr hook on Malkin that led to the winning goal was a terrible “no call”. The whole situation with Keith and Carter was ridiculous. Carter should have been thrown in the box before Keith even sticked him. However, what Keith did was not acceptable. You can’t take the law into your own hands.
Hopefully, the senior officials have had conversations with the “on ice” officials and things will get back to normal. There has been way too many slashes, high sticks, trips, hooks and boarding penalties that are not called. In this playoff season, the players don’t know what’s right and wrong.
Disagree that the refs have been “brutal.” Completely so. Rather the refs have “let them play” in the 3rd round. Which in all my years of following the sport is the normative when you get to this stage of the playoffs. The rules have been equal for both teams…it just so happens that a team with more physicality and size (e.g., LA, Boston) benefits a bit more.
There’s no crying in hockey. Hawks need to suck it up. The Kings have done nothing outlandishly bad on the ice. They are banging away, finishing checks, and taking the sort of “cheap shots” that are the norm for this point in the postseason. And the Hawks have been taking near equal liberties. Unfortunately for us, Keith made a shit stupid decision by getting his stick up into Carter’s yap. Keith knew the second he committed the act that he was going to be suspended.
Kane needs to grow a pair and show up tonight. If we’re going to pretend he’s an elite level player, then he needs to prove it. Stop playing like a pussy and go dig out a puck once in awhile, even if it means you might get your ass handed to you. 11 other forwards have been willing to sacrifice on the ice…time you do the same Kaner. Simply floating in the middle and HOPING somebody gets you the puck ain’t going to cut it.
And Leddy has to take two big steps forward, as he has shown there is still quite a lot of growing up that is needed in his game.
Stop the madness. We will see Brookbank tonight. This is why he is on the team. But, if the Hawks lose it will be Q’s fault……of course cause he should have played someone else. Brookbank is gonna have to shake off a little rust, so I hope the Hawks survive the first 10 minutes. However, Brookbank is the ONLY choice here. It is not fair to put a Clendening out there at this point. He would be overwhelmed.
What interests me more is the pairings.
Seab/Hammer…..26 min
Leddy/Oduya…….22 min
Rosy/Brookbank…12 min
I think one Hawk problem is, not sure Rosy is up for big minutes physically and it would be hard to believe that Brookbank can go more than 12-14 minutes after such a long layoff. The top 2 pairings are going to have a long night. But I think they will be OK. We need this one in regulation!
RTF I agree with you about Leddy, but as I have said before, considering his age, size and lack of AHL seasoning he has done a GREAT job for the Hawks. He is a 3d pair D-man playing 2cd pair level and minutes. Leddy will be solid 2cd pair NHL D-man in a season or two. Leddy will probably never be a top pair D-man based on his lack of size but he will get stronger with age.
I am not saying or suggesting anything…..but I would not be surprised if Leddy is asked to play forward sometime during his career.
Why would he break up Hammer and Oduya?
Seabrook and Leddy played together for a good part of the year. They can go back together. Hammer and Oduya will lead in ice time. Oduya will probably eat some of Brookbank’s shifts to limit his exposure.
A reason this sucks even more is because it’s on the road. LA will be able to get the matchup they want whenever Brookbank is on the ice and that doesn’t bode well for the Hawks. Not because he’s a terrible defender, but because he hasn’t played in 6 weeks.
The Hawks need to dominate this game in the offensive zone. Here’s to hoping they get the cycle game working.
So when does Q decide to take the A away from Keith? And for people complaining that the official should have called Carter first… how would Keith have even known with the referee behind him? Ridiculously stupid and selfish play.
I don’t see Seabs and Hammer playing together when they play the same “D” Position. I think it is Hammer/Oduya, Seabs/Leddy, and then Rosy and Brookbank. That way only one D pair has a man out of position (Rosy/Brookbank play the same “big” D position). I think you have to get 14 minutes minimum out of Rosy and Brookbank…scary as hell, but you have to do it.
The problem the Hawks will have tonight is that I’m not sure Seabrook can play 25 plus minutes right now. This is where the grind of playoff style hockey games every 48 hours REALLY starts to take a toll, and where the loss of Keith for even one game his huge and will have a probable domino affect.
I just hope that Seabrook and Hjalmarsson spent yesterday in the jacuzzi and took several power naps. They will need their rest for tonight.
The fatigue factor goes both ways, our problem is we will be missing a player who logs 25-30 minutes a game. JS I think you break up Hammer and Oduya because IMO Oduya can’t handle top pair ice time PLUS some of BB or Rosy shifts. The other 4 are going to be asked to skate a long night.
I think that hammer or Oduya will be with Brookbank. They’ll want some legs to go along with his size and lack of speed. Leddy should be with Seabrook. This may be a nice motivator for the Hawks. You know, the “us against them” attitude.
“If the NHL suspends Keith for that slash but let Matt Cooke walk for his boarding in Game One, Shanahan should wear a big red nose & makeup in the video explaining why.
Was it a bad hack? Sure. But based on the precedent set already in these conference final series, it’s not worthy of a suspension.”
Well said Tab, I agree with the suspension for Keith – although what player in the NHL wouldn’t have reacted in a similar way when getting their bare hand hacked???
The unfairness is obvious, maybe we should replace NHL with IRS…….
Oh & one more thing – Hammer is a cyborg for sure, the Bruins Campbell broke his leg in blocking a shot similar to Hammers’…… Major kudos to Campbell & to Hammer !!! Not only blocking the shot but then getting back into the play…. WOW
If slashing people in the face is a common reaction for players that feel threatened, it would happen more often. Turns out it doesn’t, so your argument is wrong.
Also, find me an angle where Carter hits Keith’s hand rather than just his glove. Also, did you miss earlier in the game when Keith crosschecked the back of someones head? Also, did you miss the game before where Shaw gave a two handed slash to the back of someones knee?
Dirty shit happens in hockey all the time, the proper response is NOT slashing someone in the face. STOP DEFENDING WHAT HE DID FOR F’S SAKE.
Seems like a pretty large precedent the League is setting with this. Carter didn’t get hurt he got cut. Duncan drew blood on a high stick and served his double minor. Why a suspension? Shanahan should also then suspend Dustin Brown for taking runs at people 100 feet from the puck he has done it in every game of this series sometimes multiple times in the same game.
Jeff Carter is a loser. He high sticked Duncan earlier in the game. He had grabbed Duncs stick and slashed his hand earlier in that sequence he deserved to get blasted and Dunc deserved to sit for 4 mins nothing more nothing less. You can’t claim the refs are letting them play and then go completely overboard with penalties when a guy gets a little boo boo.
JS i’m not defending Keith as it was a foolish thing he did and careless use of his stick, but if you think Carter wasn’t trying to slash at his wrist your kidding yourself. Carter simply missed and if you look at it in sequence Carter whacks Keith in the back in front of the net, then swings at his wrist so there were two actions. Keith should have taken his number and wiped him out with a good hit later on.
Where was the Shananaban for Rafi Torres hit on Stoll in the Sharks Kings series? 4 mins was the proper punishment not a suspension
wait a min. JS weren’t you the same guy that thought Bolland should have been suspended for hip checking Richards? That play was completely legal.
Yes, he should have taken his number and then elbowed him a few minutes later like he did to Sedin, because that worked out so well.
By saying Carter deserved it because of what he did to Keith is to defend his actions.
Ryan- he slashed someone in the head. That NEEDS to be a harsh penalty because of how dangerous of an action it is. The chin is what… 4-5 inches away from the eye? Yeah, not careless at all.
I’m glad you are able to tell what Carter was trying to do. Can you also tell me what I’m thinking right now?
I’m also glad that we are all calling Carter a dirty player when Keith has been suspended twice in the last 13-14 months for dirty hits. Get the damn homer glasses off people.
Ryan, Raffi Torres was suspended for the rest of that series. Good one!
Bolland didn’t hip check Richards. Initial point of contact was chin on back after Bolland lunged upwards at him. If the games weren’t back to back and LA immediately came out and told the league that Richards was concussed, Bolland would have gotten a game, I guarantee it.
JS get off your self righteous high horse…what Keith did was a penalty, and that’s what he got from the ref who watched the whole thing unfold for 20 seconds…there was no match penalty or a game misconduct…just a double minor.
Carter STARTED THE WHOLE ALTERCATION…Keith reacted…he was penalized for it as well, while Carter get’s the victim’s treatment by you and the NHL. That’s horseshit…
Don’t you get it…NONE of this happens if Carter doesn’t commit a penalty behind the play, and then continue it to the point of slashing Keith’s bare hand while he was reaching for his glove (while Carter could have been trying to hustle back up ice and help out his team mates defend).
Where does it say the any player, or human, should have protection under these circumstances??? Keith clearly reacted out of pain from being hacked on his hand in anger with a careless stick…wrong thing to do…he got penalized for 4 minutes while we were trying to overcome a 2 goal deficit…END OF STORY. But you and the NHL want to push this ridiculous matter forward…
As for tonight, I’m sure Brookbank will skate with Rozy for 12+ minutes…Leddy will step up with Seabs and do a great job…we will be fine tonight…its the forwards that have to wake up and do their job, which is pressuring the puck handler and back checking voraciously. Crawford will help the D out…score the first goal tonight, and we will win.
Boys……..let’s separate a dirty play form a “dirty player”. Every hockey player, whether it’s high school, men’s league or pro, gives a chop or a cross check to another player to make a statement or get his point across. Not every player who does that is a “dirty player”. Duncan Keith is NOT a dirty player. The closest guy to a dirty player on the Hawks is Carcillo and even he isn’t in the same league as a Raffi Torres or a MAtt Cooke.
Every player and referee in the league all know who the “dirty players” are on every team. Every team used to have 1 or 2 guys who were dirty players, or guys who went out on the ice to hurt someone. Now, in this day and age, there are probably only 12 guys in the entire league who have the intent to “injure” on every play.
I think we all agree that the best way to play this game is to play within the rules and play a good, solid game, just like the Hawks. Duncan Keith screwed up and he knows it. Let’s deal with it tonight and move on. But please don’t put Keith in the same group with Matt Cooke or Raffi Torres. Keith is a class player who screwed up.
“But mommmmmm he started it!”
Find me a clear view of Carter hitting Keith’s bare hand. Tell me what the penalty was on Carter behind the play. Have you watched the video? Do you remember the play?
It doesn’t matter who started it. It doesn’t matter what happened before. Slashing someone in the face (if he meant to or not), IS NEVER OK. Trying to defend it makes you look foolish.
I’m sure Donald Brashere did enough dirty things in his playing career to “deserve” that two handed slash to the head by McSorely.
“Duncan Keith is a class player who screwed up”…that’s it? Why is this all on Keith? What is Carter who abandons his team mates on defence to harass our best DMan back up the ice…Carter illegally hit Keith twice (without the puck) KNOCKING KEITH’S STICK AND GLOVE FLYING…doesn’t anyone remember that part? How did any of you think Keith had to scrounge for his mitt??? Huh? Because the tooth fairy knocked it out, or he just carelessly dropped it???
Christ, Carter then had the cheap shot energy flow through him as he swung his stick recklessly at Keith’s exposed, bare hand while he tried to retrieve his stick. Its called cause and reaction…Keith reacted dangerously and got penalized for it…end of story…it was CAUSED by Jeff Carter selfishly and purposefully targeting Keith…thus, NO SUSPENSION…as Tab and others said, it shouldn’t have even been reviewed…
Carter’s a pimp in my books…and had better keep his head up the rest of the series.
How many times does he have to screw up before he’s considered dirty, Tom?
Brutal JS…re watch the play…Carter cross checks Keith (from behind no less) without the puck behind the play to get it started…PENALTY!
Keith turns to his challenger, and Carter crosschecked Keith again sending his glove and stick flying…PENALTY!
Have you ever played hockey JS??? Do you know how hard it is try and and shake off your own glove if you want to fight someone, let alone have it fall off while you are clenching in anger with your fingers wrapped around a titanium stick???
Maybe some basic physics is in order here…huh?
When Keith went (hunched over and vulnerable) searching for his stick and glove, Carter purposefully reach out and down to target Keith’s exposed hand…PENALTY, and actually a MATCH PENALTY for attempting to deliberately injure a player in a defenceless position.
It doesn’t matter who started it? WTF?
NONE of this ridiculous event happens without Carter committing 3 separate penalties while abandoning his team mates to commit these acts…it has EVERYTHING to do what was provoked it. Ask yourself, how did Carter not draw a penalty behind the play? If you figure that one out, then you will begin to understand the minds of Duncan Keith and many of us here who are aware of what is going on…
JS, the players on the ice know who the dirty players are. Is Keith a head hunter who goes after defensless players? No, he is not. Alot of players have taken liberties with him, so at times he has defended himself. Sorry JS, I would never want a Matt Cooke or a Raffi Torres on the Hawks, but I would want Duncan Keith.
Again, EVERY player at one time or another takes a stupid, retaliatory penalty and regrets it. That doesn’t make them dirty or cheap players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68RR368W-1g
Carter is the selfish one!? CARTER IS THE SELFISH ONE!? The Hawks best player from this post season is suspended a game because he couldn’t control his emotions and commited a selfish act. Not to mention that by slashing him in the face, he put the Hawks on the PK (without their top PK defenseman) for 4 minutes. Yep, Carter is the selfish one!
Watch that video and tell me how dirty of a play it was by Carter. MAYBE he could have gotten an Unsportsman-like for keeping Keith from getting his glove. Where was the other penalty? MAYBE a high stick when his forearm brushed Keith’s face? MAYBE a roughing when they were jousting. There was no crosscheck. Ever. At all.
I don’t know what some of you are whining about….Keith screwed up, period. Hence the suspension. What Carter did was what happens routinenly on the ice during playoff hockey. Carter did not screw up.
Look at it objectively. Keith blew it, Keith knew he blew it the second it happened, and Keith knew he would be suspended over this.
Stop pissing and moaning. The refs have been fair to both clubs in this series. Ditto the refs in the Boston – Pitt series. This is 3rd round hockey…its a war. The refs let a lot of ticky-tack stuff go. Deal with it. The “rules” are the same for Chicago and LA. But what Keith did is ALWAYS going to be in the wrong.
Childish response…you are simply trying not to lose an argument that has long been over…in your eyes Keith is the selfish one…in the eyes of the league Keith is deserved of a suspension…but all those acts that are clearly on video show Carter as not only the instigator but the constant repeater of said original offence…yep, you must be right.
When a hornet’s nest attacks you alone amongst your team mates three times, you are selfish for responding…I guess…
Remember when some of you wanted to trade Keith? Weird.
Easy call for a suspension. You don’t swing your stick at a guy and hit them in the face. On purpose, on accident this is ridiculous. +20 stitches on an unnecessary, petulant and childish retaliation. If he wanted to get back at him, fighting is still legal and he could have challenged him toe to toe like a “man” or done the professional thing and put a few points on the board. Has no one watched Andrew Shaw play?
Second time in two seasons Keith has lost his mind and delivered a blow to the head in one capacity or another and that is a pretty big concern.
Cater has been to two Stanley Cup finals and has a ring. Playing in a second consecutive western conference final. Won a Calder Cup. I dont like the player but it is kind of tough to call him a loser.
Congratulations to everyone here for condoning stupid and childish behavior, I’m sure your children are a joy to be around.
You think the unselfish team-first play was to slash someone in the face? I’m pretty sure if Keith agreed with you, he wouldn’t have been taking every opportunity to tell Carter he was sorry.
I also don’t understand why you are so certain that Carter was trying to hit Keith’s hand. Does Carter have a history of dirty plays? Pretty sure he has never been suspended. Keith has been suspended for a vicious elbow to the head on a defenseless player.
If Carter was really giving Keith that much of a rough ride, wouldn’t the proper “hockey” response be to ask him to fight? Not just lose your mind and slash a guy in the head? Doesn’t responding the way Keith did encourage more people to mess with him?
JS – I’m not defending Keith’s actions. He simply reacted ( improperly ) and I’m 100% positive he intended to Carter in the arm not the head, hence his reaction. He gets the double minor & a case could be made for 5 & a game, but the ref. watching the whole thing unfold in front of him decides 4 mins. was appropriate.
My beef is the NHL/IRS decides that Cooke also a repeat offender gets 5 & a game for a dangerous hit & gets off with nothing……?????
Keith screwed up & knows it, the added suspension will ensure he never does it again & I’m OK with it because that kind of behavior has to be stopped.
Cooke should sit for at least a game as well.
This inconsistent application of supplemental punishment feeds into the inconsistent application of the rules we see in the playoffs as the Ref’s take their cues from those above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XiTS8NjNao
http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=pipe42/latest/1/0/941879/clip/0
Just a little more viewing to showcase Keith being a retalitory predator. I’d put up the Sedin video, but we all remember that.
Now I love Keith and I want him to be a Blackhawk forever… but for everyone that thinks he doesn’t take retalitory headshots. There ya go.
In the end this has to be viewed as a selfish play by Duncs. I am sure he would admit this if he were to speak in confidence. Carter got the best of#4. Good for him. It’s all about gamesmanship. LA will try and goad our players into retaliating. That is a weapon they can try and use, but the Hawks don’t have to take the bait. This game will probably called closer than the last one. Blackhawks need to use their superior team speed as an advantage. Hope the PP is up for a goal or two. Keep those skates moving and get to the net. Quick is beatable with good pressure and shots upstairs. Quick drops to the ice fast and is often way out of the net to cut angles. We need net presence!
NHL Network stooges give Hawks no chance. I had to turn it off a few minutes ago. Prove em wrong boys.
Let’s Go Hawks!
Keith is one of my favorite players, but he can be a dirty player at times. He just always pays back the opponents whenever he feels slighted.
In this specific instance I think the 4 minutes on Keith was appropriate. Ideally Carter should’ve gotten 2 minutes, but they haven’t been calling ticky-tack penalties like that in the playoffs. I could’ve seen this going either way with no suspension or a 1 game suspension.
Penner intentionally elbows Boland in the head, no call on ice but should be reviewed by NHL/IRS…… I’m betting nothing happens……. But if it happened to precious “Sidney”…….. ??
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