Blackhawks Fire Stan Bowman, Al MacIsaac
On Tuesday afternoon, the Chicago Blackhawks briefed the media with the findings from their internal investigation into sexual assault allegations.
In that press briefing, the Blackhawks announced President of Hockey Operations and General Manager Stan Bowman has “stepped away” from his job. The Hawks also relieved Al MacIsaac of his role with the organization.
As a reminder, we have a complete record of Bowman’s tenure as Blackhawks’ GM here.
Schar said John McDonough, Al MacIsaac, Stan Bowman, Jay Blunk, Kevin Cheveldayoff, Joel Quenneville and James Gary met to discuss what happened with John Doe.
— Scott Powers (@ByScottPowers) October 26, 2021
Kyle Davidson, who has been the Vice President and Hockey Strategy and Analytics, will become the Blackhawks interim general manager.
A Letter to Our Fans, Partners and Communityhttps://t.co/8z2UWWlLdA
— Chicago Blackhawks (@NHLBlackhawks) October 26, 2021
[TW: SA] #Blackhawks have made public the investigation report:https://t.co/Wn7HeTRDEm
— Frank Seravalli (@frank_seravalli) October 26, 2021
Whoa. I honestly did not expect that.
Neither did I . I guess JC is a little nervous now. Wonder who takes over to clean SB mess .
Kyle Davidson to serve as interim GM.
Interesting that Q was named as knowing about it because I think he said recently that didn’t- I guess we have to assume he lied?
JC on very thin ice once a new non-interim GM is named – maybe he’s on thin ice with even with Kyle Davidson as interim GM
Right choice, Davidson should be capable in interim Gm role until a final decision made.
Coach Q pointed out too. Sounds like he lied to the press about what he knew.
The bus wheels have a lot of blood on them. All DNA results of the blood yet to be disclosed.
i am crying tears of joy. let the knew era begin.
Pretty sure Cheveldayoff also said he only found out this summer through media reports – another liar?
Be interesting to see what repercussions there for him and Q if any
I was wrong about Chevy – his statement said that he found out just prior to Aldrich’s termination which is consistent with the report
However Q said this summer that he didn’t know until the media reported it – not a good look
Here we go …that’s the beginning off a big change for other reason also .
Now we will see many move in the next few weeks I think.it would be a good thing to clean up the place .
Stan only thanked the Wirtz’s yet didn’t apologize to either John Doe for not following up to see if anything was done irt Aldrich. Didn’t Aldrich continue to travel with the team and he was at the celebration at Grant Park.
Thank God Stan is gone! JC next!
Bye, Bye, Stanbo. It took nothing short of a massive lawsuit to do you in. Now you are gone. Leave room in the suitcase for Coach Dopey
WOW! These times, they are a-changing.
Hopefully this results in a legitimate rebuild and rebirth. And all the entails.
I can’t imagine Stan stays on to manage the Olympic Team.
Gary Bettman says in statement through NHL that if Jay Blunk, Stan Bowman, John McDonough and Al MacIsaac wish to re-enter the league, it will require a meeting with the commissioner in advance of them accepting a job. #Blackhawks
Can’t comment on the investigation which I know nothing about. But I am good at math and can comment on the number of quality draft picks and good trades Stanbo has made. And there is little to show for more than ten years. Let’s get a GM who will bring the Blackhawks back to greatness. Just look at what the Bulls are doing.
Oh boy, Stan is throwing Q under the BUS
@rwesthead
“Bowman recalled that, after learning of the incident, Quenneville shook his head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were, and they could not deal with this issue now.”
I think a more thorough understanding of the chaos this program has been going through is becoming evident. Why fire Stan last week when his leaving this week will most likely remove the need to pay him due to ethics clauses in his contract?
Does Crawford get the interim job until we decide on a real GM and then coach?
Lots of stench in the news here. Lots of heralded people getting slapped for being less than honest about some things. The bloodletting has begun, but will probably last for a while.
I in know way can think it possible for Bowman to never have followed up on the sexual misconduct message pushed up the chain of command. If true, he should have been fired for not asking about it weeks later.
Does the trickle of disclosure go all the way to Rocky? Does it seem possible he wouldn’t know? Is this ultimately why McD got canned a while back?
Was this a source of friction between Bowman and Quennville? Clearly they weren’t best friends.
Lose the Saad trade three times? To invoke a baseball term: Strike 3 your out!
Strike 3 you’re out!
The entire organization was dishonest and criminal in this ugly incident. Rocky Wirtz needs to sell this team with the NHL nudging him in that direction. This is despicable beyond belief.
Silent – it was my belief for a while that that is probably why McD got the boot although the Wirtzs ’ said today that they didn’t know of these allegations until the lawsuits and the investigation apparently supports that so maybe I was wrong
Bowman deserves his fate but at least it seems he told all to the investigators- Danny made a point of saying that Stan cooperated more than his peers did and I’m guessing one of those peers he had in mind was Q
THANK GOD & ANY & ALL OTHERS INVOLVED ( WHY IT TOOK SO LONG I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND ) WITH GETTING THESE PIECES OF SHIT OUT OF THE ORGANIZATION. Now please don’t make the same mistakes, go out & find a real GM. Lastly, please ignore the players PC comments re. the head coach they don’t want to burn any bridges.
But….but….but….the Hawks Organization said they were sorry…. doesn’t that count for anything ? NO !!!
After this came out, we all knew the organization covered this up as do ALL the other Pro sports organization’s…they ALL cover up such incidents. Q may be gone if enough pressure is put on FLA to do the right thing….other coaches have been let go for similar incidents.
I live in Dallas and have gotten to know some former Stars players from playing beer league here, and while having cocktails, have heard some interesting stories about former Stars players and announcers and their shenanigans. I won’t name anyone, but this stuff happens in every city that has a big league team in it…..Sad but true.
Finally!!! I applaud Rocky for making this an actual investigation instead of the sham one I predicted. My faith is restored as far as to the direction moving forward with this Organization. I wonder if Kid Coach will suddenly dump that defensive system he’s been employing, this could be the spark the team is looking for to get out of their rut. To Stanley Bowman: Good Bye and Good Riddance and watch the door on the way out!!! Guess you weren’t the smartest guy in the room after all.
April 20, 2017: Nashville 4 Chicago 1 (Nashville wins series 4-0)
October 26, 2021: Stan Bowman fired (finally)
# of days it took to get it right: 1,650
Wrap – the entire document is available to be read as Tab has linked it. Disclosure in there that McD never went to Rocky with the info, and that Q was not a fan of dealing with it until playoffs were over.
It’s a good read.
Just listened to the attorney for both John Doe 1 and 2 on The Score 670.
She says as of now the Hawks are still trying to case the case dismissed, nothing in that regard has changed as of now.
Also she mentioned that she still hasn’t gotten to depose anyone in regards to the case while Jenner has deposed 129 people. Therefore she’s still in the dark regarding some of the circumstances as to what took place. So facts will still come out.
Lastly I want to apologize here for this comment
“Oh boy, Stan is throwing Q under the BUS”
@rwesthead
“Bowman recalled that, after learning of the incident, Quenneville shook his head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were, and they could not deal with this issue now.”
I would replace JC with Seabrook now if Seabs would do it: about the only person who would command complete respect with fans and players and org and could slap some quality people together to help him fast….
Then get some kind of adult experienced hockey people like the Hunter brothers to take over the GM reigns asap: Then forever keep hockey decisions with hockey people and Barnum and Bailey decisions about filling the tent with the circus people.
This team is not great, but not as bad as its record: it needs a respected hockey adult that everyone can get behind at the helm NOW!
Silent Spot: Its not a good read. Its frankly disgusting.
Dollar Bill: He tried throwing McD under the bus on his way out the door but he was in charge of Hockey Operations and he let that creep right back into the clubhouse and didn’t say or do anything either. He’s spineless.
I see your point Hammer – not the way I meant “good” read. It is an easily read document, meaning with lots of details, explanations, disclaimers and well laid out. Coach Q definitely gets hit in the document as knowing what was going on.
I think there is a lot more accountability yet to come.
once Crawford is out of covid restric, JC will be let go and Crawford will be in. man that read was FAWKed up. one has to feel sorry for the player.
KARMA is a bitch Stan. take that lisp talking away Bowman.
Hammer Time , yep he’s spineless alright, but I’m so disappointed in everyone that had a say in the decision to not do anything. They are all culpable.
In other threads I get a sense that Hawks fan feel bad for the organization more than they feel for both John Does. Happily I don’t see that here!
Silent Spot: No problem
Goforfour. Amen, a group of us have been pushing for the Hunter Brothers to take over for about 3 years now. If not them, get the Trotz or Torts disciples or them in person in here to instill some type of organizational structure and discipline.
Jordyhawk, great follow-up post to the nearly identical one the other day. No improvements since the 2017 playoffs.
Wow, doesn’t look good for Quennville and Cheveldayoff either. I wonder if this situation has been hanging over the team here at the start of the season. This whole thing could have been avoided with some honesty and decency eleven years ago.
Dollar Bill: You are correct. Everybody was culpable. It would be wise for the Hawks to settle the lawsuits.
Another Lazerus/Powers article kinda indicates that the Hawks want this to go away and are wanting a “fair resolution” to the lawsuits. Sounds like settlement to me.
Article also says that Stan floated tearing down the Hawks at the 2018 draft, moving assets and rebuilding at that point as the writing was on the wall. But MacIsaac banged his fist on the table and said , “We’ll all get fired before the plan is complete. We can’t do this”. Kinda sounds like Stan had the right idea, just not the stones to make it happen.
So here we are now.
Here is a thought. Keep JC for the rest of the yr. Don’t hire a GM until end of yr. Get 1st overall pick. Take Shane Wright and let the true rebuild begin
Happy to have Stan gone but man this paints the Hawks in a bad light. Tragic for John Doe, I hope/wish that he has overcome this. Shame on the Hawks for sweeping this under the rug.
Today’s news explains the eerie silence hanging over the wretched start of the season. The GM is gone, the coach will be next now that the dominoes are falling with this investigation.
Bowman just stepped down as the Olympic GM. No surprise I guess.
Got the impression after reading the report and subsequent articles that there was a lot more conflict inside the organization than many here were willing to accept. Thinking there will be more people slammed around with stories of power plays and drama that didn’t playout in public. Wondering how civil litigation can affect some of the smaller players in the mess of the report too. Statute of limitations may work in some favor, but the report clearly points fingers at specific people who didn’t get things done in an orderly or responsible manner.
Definitely time for a cleaning of the house.
Agree with Booby 9. More to come.
I don’t believe the Wirtz family is innocent in all of this. According to the reporter who broke the story (Westhead) the lawyer for John Doe approached the hawks in the spring about the lawsuit. She was basically told to get lost as the hawks had already investigated the incident and found no merit to the allegations. Tell me the Wirtz weren’t involved then. Hawks didn’t want to pay then , their sure going to pay for it now. On tsn ( Canada sports network ) the analysts were saying the hawks need to hire someone with extensive hockey knowledge as the shelf is bare. Names thrown around were Groton, Rutherford , Shero. Plus a number of others who feel their qualified. As for SB saying the mistake was in 2010 , he must have known about the law suit in the spring. Who told the lawyer another lie, that the hawks fully investigated the allegations.
Couldn’t SB resign/fired before the Jones deal? Think of all the top picks we could have had and 9.5M in CAP
Long time hawks fan, this organization is such a disgrace. I had to take all the Blackhawks paraphernalia off of my vehicle I am so embarrassed!
Finish last overall and still end up with a 55.6 percent chance of picking third in next year’s draft.
Bowman should have made made sure that the pick was top 5 protected at the very least.
Hawks are screwed thanks to Bowman or should I say Wirtz.
As the dust begins to settle on this 11 year disgrace you have to wonder why Rocky Wirtz let Stan Bowman drive this franchise into the ditch completely with his most recent off-season moves. He had to know that he was going to have Bowman resign. Why did he let him sign a D Man for 9 years at close to 10 Million per and then grab a dwarf winger at over 5 Million per and then just to cap it off over 7 Million per on a goalie that has lost it. Talk about fiscal irresponsibility this has to be an off-season for the record books.
Tim W. Totally agree
Tim – have to disagree. We still don’t know what Seth Jones can bring to this team because we don’t have a coach who knows what to do with him. How many partners has he skated with so far this year? And we’re only 6 games in. This man-on-man-square-peg-in-a-round-hole nonsensical d-scheme has not and will not work, given the current newness of this roster. Tyler Johnson is a valuable player if he is slotted in the 3rd or 4th line and kept there. Why he was centering the first line for those games is beyond comprehension. And MAF has been hung out to dry by a defense that is not even close to being settled. I want to see JC kicked out as soon as Crawford is back and can be installed as the interim head coach. Way too soon to write off these three guys. Let’s see how this plays out.
TW – for sure you were advocating for the Hawks to get Jones – I agree with Tony – it’s way too early to make any judgements on Seth especially without an NHL coach behind the bench
Here is why I don’t like the contract of Seth Jones . When the contract kicks in next yr , he will be 29 yrs old starting his 11th season . After the end of his contract he will be 37 yrs old and 19 yrs in the nhl. I don’t believe his play the last few yrs warrants a contract he received now . Outside of Hamilton , the defence men who got big contracts are Hughes , Makar, McClvoy all in their early 20’s.
Reading that report was sobering.
There are so many conflicting stories, recollections, and lack of recollections.
It all points to a f*cked up organization that had a poor accountability structure, and did very little to act within the structure that they did have.
We were always told repeatedly by multiple people how the Blackhawks organization was run in a completely first class manner. That apparently only went so far.
There will never be a full consensus on what happened, but I’m glad that bunch is out. Even players of that era are called out as being complicit in the verbal abuse of John Doe, although that is just one statement.
I could point out who I think looks worse than who in this mess, but they all look bad. It doesn’t matter.
Off the ice and on the ice this organization is a wreck. I’ll continue to be a Blackhawks fan. They are my team that I cheer for. However, there needs to be massive overhauls in structure and accountability. We all make mistakes. But mistakes need to be learned from, and fixed as well as can possibly be accomplished .
This is a sad day for Blackhawks fans.
Without parting with high picks and softy Boq a nine year contract for a 28 year old is risky. CBJ fleeced inept Stanbo. The other teams are going to miss him after being so generous with his trades. Stanta Claus.
I’m on board with Big Indian. I recall many times after said incident, the suits and ties were all smiles and telling us how they were the classiest bunch in sports. They were not, not then and not now.
They have no one to blame but themselves.
I expect he GM role during this season will be minimal.
BUT…Stay tuned for ticket price increases,
i’m sick of it all.
The group that met to deal with allegations is going to be held accountable and rightly so. No official conversations on allegations taken to Wirtz or Bettmans office by anybody involved it appears, undoubtly there were rumors something happened but neither office saw a reason to get involved in it. Makes sense players would hear rumors but actual allegations be kept from them. Nhlpa was contacted and how seriously they took this is not clear yet. Victims at the time didn’t seem to want police involved.
Typically an old school reaction to an issue that has to be dealt with differently in a modern world. No place in sports for these type of incidents and more openness and awareness is needed. I’m sure there are many more issues similar to this to be told throughout sports.
Have to wonder how this will affect 19 and 88s desire to finish their careers in Chicago now. Totally seperate from Collitons on ice issues in gatting the team motivated, see how it affects that. With Crawfords on past complaints against him, not sure he is who they want to be next coach, Collitons image probably fits a pr mold at this time. May be off srason before who permanent Gm and coach going forward are, is known.
They should be forced to play their home games outside next year, at some seedy rink…without fans, radio or tv, yet still pay the people who would normally work the UC games.
its good to relearn the value of a dollar from time to time. They were all too big for their britches
I read the JB report. I mean, all of those former executives could face jail time. That was just the independent report. The lawsuits haven’t started. To not follow though until 23 days later, when another person was assaulted by Alderich, iis criminal. They let him stay on payroll and gave him a bonus.
Alderich should be in jail. He operates
A glass etching company in Michigan. Unreal his disgusting nature and bullying ways.
I don’t believe Rocky is innocent in this either.
Bowman was awful at his job to begin with, it’s clear he also failed and protecting players from bullies.
Ian, Very good points on this mess. How everyone in that room thought that this would be forever buried is mind-boggling. I was also thinking the same thing about Marc Crawford. I think he is the last person who should even be the interm coach. Depending how bad this gets on ice, I think that Colliton will have to be replaced after the new year. I also think that is imperative to get moving on the hiring of a team president,G.M ,and entire coaching staff.
Bobby9 – just so we’re all working from the same set of facts
Seth Jones was born Oct 3 1994 – he’ll be 27 not 29 when his new contract kicks in and 35 not 37 when it expires
Hopefully Danny hires a President of Hockey Ops and that person hires a GM and then the GM hires a coach
This could take a while
Be very interesting to see how players respond to all of this tonight
Meanwhile… Virginia Highschool rape case – High school administrators.. allegedly knew of the situation for quite sometime and hid that from outsiders and parents.
If true- how are these “educators” NOT locked up? Or suspended until further investigations.
really ?
was it a young dman that was john doe?
I really don’t care who John Doe is. And, frankly, I’m not going to invest any time in trying to guess who it is. It shouldn’t matter. If it was the last guy on the IceHogs roster or the captain of the NHL team, it shouldn’t matter. What happened is pathetic and disgusting and the victim’s identity shouldn’t be a factor.
This once strong and powerful franchise that was respected throughout sports has been brought to it’s knees by the very people that were put on a pedestal. This stain will last forever and rightfully so.
Big Indian, Trip Forever, Tim W, Bobby 9 yes to you all, but Bobby 9 you’re a little off on the details.
I’m just wondering how deep did this go? Also, I am now wondering why Stan kept bring back ex-Hawks or rewarding guys who should not have gotten such sweet deals. Did they know and would have spilled the beans had they not been rewarded handsomely – think Bickell (he was a Black Ace in 2010) and Seabrook, both were grossly overpaid. Was it hush money? What about bringing back practically ever Hawk from 2010 when it was obvious that their skills did not warrant an NHL contract? What about Columbus? What did they know? How come they kept fleecing Stan; he did well on other trades with other teams, but with Columbus, for lack of a better term, he just bent over and took it. There is so much more here, and I would love to know the truth. But, I am certain of one thing – the Wirtz’ knew about this from the get-go! There is no way that John McDonough did not report this to Rocky! McDonough was not a novice executive, and this had the potential of being a hand grenade exploding throughout the entire organization. Do you think that McDonough was stupid? I don’t! I think he was an astute executive and a good-soldier and took his dismissal like a good soldier does. He has kept quiet and has not divulged anything, including any monetary incentives given to him to keep his mouth shut and not implicate the Wirtz’. All I know is that if my name was being tossed around the mud like his is right now, I would fight like hell to clear my name and my reputation, unless I signed a non-disclosure agreement that came with a significant monetary provisions. There is more to this story…I hope that we have a new generation of Woodward and Bernstein’s to flush it out. Because, this whole story smells like a European public bathroom!
Wraparound, yes we are in hockey limbo. Is Danny really capable of being that guy that hires the right guy? Is the stench left by Bowman, McD and company still pervasive in clouding his judgement?
What the organization needs is someone totally outside of the Hawk network. Anyone associated with
the Hawks over the past 15 years should be a definite no when considering who will take the post.
Dollar – totally agree that the new Pres and new GM should be from outside the org
This sounds just like Penn State and Paterno. paterno told his noses everything he knew at the time and didn’t know the entirety of what happened. Then 10 yrs later people giving Paterno crap when it was his noses that didn’t do the right thing.
Anyways rape other happen at Every college and I guess now pro leagues. Doesn’t make it ok in anyway just that people need to realize it happens everywhere and not single out Penn State of all colleges or Blackhawks of all pro sports teams.
Penn State did the right thing afterwards so the Blackhawks better do the same.
For the organization yea let’s get the kind of go coaches other in here so we get back to where we started from.
Adjust entire roster team system gym system like Tim/others said.
I like the trotz system and who match’s well for him stuff.
Blackhawks resurgence
Let it begin.
So here is my question:
Q walks into the mtg late, hears what is going on and says, I cannot deal with this right now, I have to prepare for the SCF, and leaves.
Chevyldayoff right behind him.
Meanwhile, McD, Bowman, Blunk, and McIsaac conspire to cover the issue up without informing the coach staff what is going on.
How does that make Q and Chevyldayoff culpable?
Because Stan Bowman, who hates Q, said so in his recount of the issue as his ship was sinking and he knew it?
That sounds very fishy to me.
Especially cuz within two weeks the brass fires that video coach jerk and do not file a police report.
Thinking Q and Chevyldayoff are not totally clean as they heard of the incident, but in no way are they dirty in a cover up.
Sounds like a fair analysis, yes?
Wrap. Sorry I was one yr off. Jones will turn 28 next Oct. when his new contract kicks in. I still do not believe he is worth the dollars or term.
Bobby9 – Jones new contract kicks in July 1/2022 and he’ll be 27
Those are the facts
Bowman’s dismissal had more to do with his performance as a GM than the sexual assault episode. After all, Brad Aldrich was dismissed within 3 weeks of notice of the assault. What the Blackhawks H.R. Dept. failed to do was notify the police of this attack. I’m sure this was done under McDonough supervision to protect the Blackhawks reputation. However, the Blackhawks outside council determined that all that knew of the assault had an obligation to inform the police. Bowman’s excuse reminds me of Lee Harvey Oswald saying that he was being played as the patsy. The fact remains was a complete failure as GM and leader of the Blackhawks. Now we are left with with Danny Wirtz, son of Rocky, who has no hocky knowledge. Hopefully, Danny has the ability to choose the next President of Hockey. For he swung and missed by choosing Bowman as his first choice. The Blackhawks are a mess and I’m wondering how many years will it take to clean-up Bowman’s player contracts.
Wrap. When the 2022/23 season starts Jones will be 28. Whether he is 27 in the summer or 28 when the season starts , I don’t like the contract. If you do , that is fine. Difference of opinion.
Not sure hindsight would be 20/20 in this situation but with the current situation being as bad as it is, a total tear down rebuild should have been done a couple years ago when Kane had maximum value and Toews would have garnered something of value. Now, Toews isn’t going to get anything even if 50% is retained and Kane at 50% isn’t going to get nearly as much as last summer or the summer before.
Not sure upon whose doorstep to lay my discontent and probably some is deserved all the way to the top as the buck ultimately stops there. I’m, or course, speaking of the on-ice situation and not the “other debacle”. Yes there were extenuation circumstances with the pandemic lockdowns effect on the economic realities Rocky and the Hawks had to deal with but I don’t think Rocky and I are concerned with the same bottom line – my concern is getting the team back to legitimate contending status and that looks to be farther away today than it could have been if a rebuild had started 2-3 years ago.
But here we are with Toews looking very pedestrian, Kane not having the same dynamic effect on games, Fleury looking like anything but a Vezina winner, and the rest of the team in group free fall. None of the main things that needed to go right for the Hawks to be successful this season have happened and although the Hawks will surely stumble into some wins soon, it will probably only amount to enough to ensure them not securing one of the top two lottery protected 2022 draft picks which will put them further behind in the rebuild which hopefully will be entered into by the new management team offering more than season ticket saving lip service.
We Hawks fans were treated to an amazing decade of hockey excellence which brought us 3 Cups and lots of exciting seasons. It’s over. It’s been over for some time. It may not happen again in some of our lifetimes. It’s the way things go. I accept that and am thankful for what I was given.
Bonby9 – call me a dinosaur if you want to but I believe that in order to have a civil and productive discussion facts matter
I get you don’t like the Seth Jones contract but using misinformation to support your argument just means you won’t be taken seriously except by those who already agree with you
I’m prepared to give Jones more time especially when/if the Hawks get a proven NHL coach before making a judgment – he’ll only be 27 when his new contract kicks in and 28 when the season starts
I think it’s quite possible that contract will be fine for most it’s duration – probably by the end he’ll not be a $9 million player but if he lives up to his contract for 6-7 years of those 9 I’m ok with that – it’s the cost of doing business in many cases in the NHL especially with UFAs which Jones’ contract is meant to cover
Correction Jones new contract is only 8 years not 9 – this year is his old contract
I still stand by my opinion to give him more time
Every team at one time or another has issued a bad long-term deal. What’s perplexing is that they’re still getting issued. If I was an owner I would draw the line on LT deals for anyone age 26 or over at say 6 years and max age by the end of the contract of say 33-34. This would give you room to sign the Makars of the world for longer, but save you from albatross deals. Obviously this may limit your options in free agency but I’d rather have the dough to pay for a proper 20 man roster.
Bobby9 and O6 are spot on re Jones. We’ll be lucky if he is any good for 4 of the 8 years.
Thanks Stanbo for all your years of incompetence. Thank you for the Panarin for Saad trade. The worst Chicago sports trade since Brock for Broglio. Thank you for your salary cap incompetence. Good riddance.
well tab, once the civil case is filed i guess we will know. maybe he will own the hawks
Bobby 9, like where your going with the Shane Wright thing.
Bowman= Ass hat
Wrap the only way that the anti Jones contract sentiment goes away is with results. Like you i am nowhere ready to let this 6 game mess to start the season be final judgement on that deal. Noticed in the news conference yesterday, Wirtz stated they are committed to put more winning teams on the ice, no reference to a building process. May be a indication of direction he wants to go but have to wait and see to know for sure. If purse strings are as tight as reported, full rebuilds are a way teams use to buy time in that regard.
Hard to imagine with Jones, McCabe and Murphy locked up long term and a group of young forwards coming into or already in the now stage of their careers, they rebuild right away.
As far as 19 and 88 contracts being unmoveable lol, so was Seabrooks and Keiths not long ago as well.
John Doe will be on @Sport Centre @5CT to tell his story
Rick Westhead
@rwesthead
·
57m
Tonight on @SportsCentre
we’re joined by John Doe, the former Blackhawks player at the centre of the team’s sexual abuse scandal.
He has asked us to reveal his identity and you will hear him speak his truth. It’s a privilege to offer a platform to someone with such courage.
@Hawks1961
That Panarin trade along with every subsequent Saad trade should be living proof of how horrible a GM Stan was.
Panarin ended up getting us a 3rd round draft pick.
Random thoughts – Perfect time for a program reset. Get a respected and trusted person from the outside to evaluate the entire hockey program: Coaching, current roster, scouting, minors, college players etc. Get an opinion on a course of action – or two. Then PICK ONE.
Reality – Ian makes the point of extensions/long term contracts just signed as an indication of direction. I agree that was a strong indicator, but I also think that some of that can be undone with trades. I don’t think it is a total show stopper for a complete overhaul, but if we do get a true evaluation, that may be the best choice. Realistically to me – I think Ian is correct that we are on a path we will stay.
Easiest and probably most valuable piece to move immediately upon rebuild would be Fleury. Retain as much as we can and hope for a 1st rounder or top prospect. We missed a big chance to grab a young and upcoming goalie over the summer- Detroit sticks out as a complete steal of a likely future star. I’m still not happy about a 1 year band aide at goalie. I can’t embrace that move, regardless of the results. Too early to say it’s a bust. Same with Jones. Murphy has been horrendous. But so have most everyone else on the team, from the coaching staff down. We improved on paper – hard to dispute that. Maybe now that Tuesday happened, the team can get back to hockey.
Ebony – I posted a quote from an article (The Athletic) yesterday saying that Bowman had considered a full out rebuild at the draft of 2018 but MacIsaac shot it down, stating a fear they would all lose their jobs before the team recovered. Bowman didn’t try taking it past MacIsaac. I give Bowman credit for realizing the obvious at that time, but the band aide approach every year is always a recipe for disaster. Most frequently, mediocrity is achieved. We’ve lived it as proof.
The board still has JC to rant about – for another night anyway. That writing is on the wall. I don’t know how he survives any new people coming in above him without it being a mandated situation, and then you have to wonder about why someone would take the job tied to JC remaining. However – stranger things have happened.
@Silent Spot
Why is it every article about the Hawks post what knowledge and foresight Stan brought to the club.
His every ideas always get shut down. He’s never held accountable for anything.
This is his team and JC was his hand picked coach. I’d venture to guess that most people posting here
could do the job Stan did, ONLY BETTER
Ebony – I posted a quote from an article (The Athletic) yesterday saying that Bowman had considered a full out rebuild at the draft of 2018 but MacIsaac shot it down, stating a fear they would all lose their jobs before the team recovered. Bowman didn’t try taking it past MacIsaac. I give Bowman credit for realizing the obvious at that time, but the band aide approach every year is always a recipe for disaster. Most frequently, mediocrity is achieved. We’ve lived it as proof.
Dollar Bill
I have no idea the answer to your question. But then, I don’t know how to read your question as there are plenty of articles critical of Bowman, just maybe not enough to satisfy you.
I was merely exchanging information to help ebony.
Hawks61, here are a couple of more recent worst Chicago trades since Brock, compliments of our favorite team:
1967 Esposito, Hodge and Stanfield for Marotte, Martin and Norris
1992 Hasek for ultimately Ruuttu
@Silent Spot no worries, you had quoted The Athletic so that’s what my comment was based.
To All:
We have a choice: Dwell on the negatives of the past and be miserable or see the positives the future holds and be happy.
Everyone now knows what happened 11 years ago and are unanimous that it was inexcusable, contemptible and disgusting.
What everyone seems to be ignoring is what happened yesterday.
A professional sports team voluntarily made public, in its entirety, the results of an independent “investigation” and held the remaining officers accountable. They did not run a sham “review” and then issue a boiler plate statement (which I thought they would) that said: ‘they reached a settlement with John Doe for an undisclosed amount while admitting to no wrongdoing and but because they take the matter seriously they will make a large donation to a related cause”
Ironically, most of what everyone is dwelling on would not be known if the Blackhawks had not made public their report.
This is a shot that will be heard around the sports world. Every owner, club president, GM, coach, etc… has been put on notice that they may find themselves the subject of a 100+ page report for all to see and their careers terminated.
Yes, in the past the Blackhawks operated like the Vatican or a crime family in terms of secrecy. That changed yesterday. That is good.
I m with Ian Silent Tim others on what to do going forward a compete reset. Even if keeping a few players in addition to 77 reichel. This is what we have been waiting patiently for. Full rebuild with the right kind of identity like Tim has said and others.
More elites from draft.
Vital that we get two top 5 draft skill players next two drafts. That way we have three elites in that wave. We have one elite in 26 age range in ER age range so we need to add more in that 25-30 age range after we have secured more young food players from other teams top prospects. Now we’re looking at a good core for the 23 season.
Roman or was it someone else wasn’t smoking when they said 2025.
One last thought about Stan Bowman. The Blackhawks tried to lure his father away from the Detroit Red Wings as an advisor. Scotty Bowman refused so McDonough hired his accountant son and made him the Blackhawks GM. The hope was and came to be that he would advise the Blackhawks through his son. Apparently, he stopped advising Stan and hence the awful trades.