Blackhawks Lose Exciting Game In St. Louis
After a disappointing deadline on Monday, the Blackhawks were on the ice in St. Louis against the first place Blues. Before the game veterans, including Jonathan Toews, spoke to the media about the impact of losing an outspoken leader in Robin Lehner. It sounds like the Hawks players aren’t thrilled with Stan Bowman’s work on Monday, either.
So when the Hawks short-handed 11 seconds into the game, it felt like this game could be off to a bad start.
When the Blues scored a power play goal 33 seconds into the game, there was a feeling that this one could snowball out of control quickly.
But that was hardly the case. Duncan Keith scored a power play goal, the 100th of his career, at 10:55 to tie the game. Toews won a hard fought faceoff to pick up the only assist on the goal.
Three minutes later Toews won another tough faceoff and Connor Murphy gave the Blackhawks a 2-1 lead.
Toews and Dominik Kubalik were credited with assists on the Murphy goal.
The Blues out-shot the Hawks 12-10 in the first but Chicago led by one going to the break.
Patrick Kane extended the lead with a second power play goal for the Blackhawks 73 seconds into the second period.
Keith and Kubalik picked up the assists.
Corey Crawford was playing out of his mind, but the Hawks allowed the Blues to hang around. Robert Thomas scored at 7:38 into the second to cut the lead back to one.
Like the first period, St. Louis out-shot the Blackhawks in the second period but Chicago carried a one-goal lead to the third period.
Then the game turned into a shootout.
Ryan O’Reilly and Zach Sanford scored 16 seconds apart in the opening four minutes of the third period and suddenly the Hawks were chasing one. Jeremy Colliton burned his timeout to get his team together in hopes of breaking the Blues’ surging momentum.
Chicago rallied after the timeout. Matthew Highmore scored 73 seconds after the timeout to tie the game.
Keith and David Kampf picked up the assists on Highmore’s second of the year.
Three minutes later Brandon Saad scored a power play goal, giving the Blackhawks three PPGs in a game for the first time this year.
Kirby Dach and Dylan Strome were credited with the assists on Saad’s marker.
Of course we weren’t done.
Justin Faulk tied the game at 9:28 into the third period. St. Louis was loud and excited for a wild finish.
After the teams combined to score five goals in the opening 40 minutes of play, they scored five more in the opening ten minutes of the third period.
Dach went to the box at 11:37 and the Blues got a fourth power play opportunity in the game. With two seconds left on the advantage Sanford gave the Blues a 6-5 lead.
With 2:51 left in regulation, down by one and having scored on all three of their previous power plays, Chicago got another advantage.
At the mid-point of the power play the Hawks pulled Crawford for the sixth skater. The Blues successfully killed the penalty.
And they finished the game off with the 6-5 decision.
At least the game was entertaining. Crawford made 31 saves, many of them spectacular. His save percentage on this night was far from an indicator of how well he played.
Toews had a strong night. Chicago’s captain skated 18:44 and won 16 of 25 faceoffs with two assists.
Nick Seeler was back in the lineup after Lucas Carlsson made a good impression in his debut. Seeler skated 13:56 in the loss.
Murphy put five shots on net from the blue line. Saad led all Blackhawks skaters with six shots on net.
76 thoughts on “Blackhawks Lose Exciting Game In St. Louis”
This part of the season turns into WWA for the teams out of the playoffs. As long the Hawks loos them all, I am Ok with it. Sorry, my fellow hockey fans. Everything is a business model.
1998-2006 version 2.0 is on schedule!
That’s a dirty team that plays on and over the edge. Taking runs at Crawford, among other cheap shots. All night. Last year’s playoffs, this is how they roll.
Next game v Hawks, let’s see Hawks’ forwards charging at their goalie (who’s no great shakes, give me a break). Since the season is lost, a message needs to be sent that dirty play — particularly as directed toward Crawford — won’t be tolerated.
A poorly officiated game. Great effort by the Hawks. Nevermind the idioicy of Bowman and the coach for one night.
Hard fought entertaining game, absolutely nothing to hang your head over.
Nice pic of the 3 amigos.
Jonny vs O’Reilly both studs in the dot. Always interesting. I did not see the game, but I did see our highlights where two wins by Jonny lead directly to goals. Great stuff.
Ice I agree officiating was so what bad. Runs at Crow, big cross check on Murphy no call. I say a couple more losses and we bring up some bigs. Camarossa Gilbert and others. Good game thou.
Iceman,That is the correct place to start about this game.The Hawks left their Goaltender hanging out to dry all night.Murphy and Maata in particular should be embarrassed.They provided no physical presence what so ever and were skated around like traffic cones.In the Defensive zone the forwards were physically overwhelmed the entire game as they refused to take the body on their checks.Coverage was horrible with the fire drill running around again.I want to see Crawford in the net next year.If you are going to allow the Steens and Schwartzs of the world to crash your crease and run your goalie just play SubbanDelia,or Lakannen against the big physical teams that you won’t challenge and knock down.Pathetic!Carpenter was Horrible in all zones.I don’t know who is slower and softer,him or Strome.His man beat him on at least 3 of the goals.His turnover at the blue line was bad enough but then he allows Oreilly to beat him back up the ice.19,88,20,2,77 thankyou for providing a response with high end quality play.
Great battle by the vets and DACH tonight! Good Canadian boy who showed grit! Needs to shoot more but has passion for the game like 19!
But, tonight’s result is what happens when you have 92, 91, 17, 36, 22, 64, 12, 8 on a roster. (giving 8 and 12 a pass because they can shoot the puck but had no puck possession tonight because there was NHL playoff body checking and intensity going on)
Kampf’s hockey IQ is non existent and it’s not worth talking about Carpenter who would be without a team if it wasn’t for Bowman! Strome is so scared of his own shadow that it’s embarassing to watch but all he does well JC, is play behind the net on the PP like he did all of last season.
Murphy and Maatta could not handle the speed and size of the Blues. Good for Kookoo and Seeler who showed some push back because they actually can skate. Poor Boqvist, must have lost 20 pounds of fear tonight facing the over sized opponents. I am sure he wishes this was junior hockey instead and that Evan Bouchard was covering his ass. Never will he ever be Duncan Keith or anything remotely close to Karlsson!!! He is too light and not that fast as a skater to elude checks and make plays like Keith does every night. But Boqvist has a good hockey IQ!
What a game by 2 & 50! Oh I forgot, we do have little Mitchell and Beaudin coming up soon, right Stan!
So, Mr. Bowman, while you keep making trades to acquire a million dmen, you have no forwards that can play tough and skilled hockey like BUFF, BROUWER, BOLLAND, HOSSA, BICKELL, STALBERG, FROLIC, EAGER, LADD, MADDEN, VERMETTE, and SHARP once did for the Hawks!
You have 91, 92, 12, 17, 64, 36, 22, 15, 95? Yikes! Good job Stan!
Keith, Seabs, Hammer, Oduya would have never stood for what the Blues did to Crawford tonight. And the forwards of the past that I named above are all over 6 feet tall, tough and skilled which is why Kane, Toews and Sharp flourished during the playoffs. Hey Stan, remember Bickell dumping Chara in 2013 finals in Boston garden? Classic! Can you ask CAGG or Highmore to do the same? Ah NOOOOO!
Hearing Bowman on the podcast today after his trades yesterday was laughable and almostb insulting. Talking about how many prospects we have and how many young players just need to learn from the vets how to win. Ahhhh, dummy, the team still wins only because of 88, 19, 20, 2, 7, 50 ! More importantly, we lose because you failed the vets and the fans as a GM.
He made his usual smoke screen comment treating Chicago fans like fools saying he was high on Demin? Every time he went to see Mitchell, the guy on the 3rd pairing stood out. Wow, really?
I guess no one is reminding him that Sikura is all he has to show for in Rockford and best of all, he can’t make the Hawks ahead of a useless undrafted player like Highmore!
MARK HUNTER as GM
LAVIOLETTE as COACH
EDDIO O or Doug WILSON as president.
Fire the rest including those in Rockford!
I hope the boys tank so we rid ourselves of B & C. What is sad is-when the boys stopped moving the puck along boards in both zones and skated, we looked like a hockey team. We are not muckers. Let the horses run!!!!
Should not leave out 27 and 36.Great to see 36 get rewarded for working his ass off.Boqvist,s gap and positioning tonight was some of his best work so far.If I have to hear Pierre McGuire yell that Samford is the next superstar of the league 1 more time I will puke.Both of his goals should have been stopped although Crawford was under siege at those points so I can not blame him.Hey Pierre,as you celebrate and yell as Samford blindsides or runs into Boqvist knocking him to the ice,make sure you point out that he carries about a 45 pound weight advantage.
Hey Hull 65-you should be GM. You have all of it….correct!
Keith scores a goal—-> great.
Keoth costs us 3 goals…
Old slow overrated player… has been…
Saad has no Skills except to shoot into empty net… simular to Sharp was.. one dimentional.
Hawks ran around like headless chickens too much but entertaining game!
Few more years & Keith will be gone….
Done with Stan. He has no idea what he is doing. He was a former auditor atArthur Andersen. A Berube-coached Blues team will run you over. Chicago cant play the big frame game anymore. No Buff..No Eager…No Ladd..no Bickell types. Hawks need a blend of skill, nastiness, and physicality. Go back.to accounting Stan or join the hair club for men. The hair club president and founder has recently died, RIP Blackhawks.
Thought Boquist was good tonight – didn’t see him make any outrageous gaffes, was more physical in the D zone and he was active offensively
Also thought Strome was much more noticeable – maybe his ankle is now fully healed
Too bad they wasted the best game of the year for the PP – a bonus of having Dcat as the net front is that he doesn’t handle the puck from that position which he can’t do
The two plays that really killed them was Carpenter’s turnover at the blueline – why is he centreing Kane again??? – he tried to force a pass to Kane that wasn’t there unless you’re an elite passer which Carpenter should know he’s not – that’s what happens when you slot players higher then their abilities JC
The other play was right after that goal and Maatta threw the puck away – an absolutely brutal pass in his own zone, uncontested and he wired it behind Dach so that Dach couldn’t possibly pick it up and it went straight to Sanford who scored
That hurts when two easy plays result in turnovers that result in goals especially when they’re from your 3rd pair D man and a centre who should be on the 4th line
Kirby needs to stop with the junior moves in tight and start learning how to score vs NHL goalies – he will eventually I’m sure but he himself must realize by now that those reach back moves aren’t working in the show – otherwise solid effort from him
Good for the Hawks for battling back but to me the game never seemed in doubt because the Hawks are just too weak in their own zone vs a physical team and you knew STL could score almost at will when they really needed to
Against a heavy forecheck the Hawks lose most board battles and then panic when they do get the puck – see Maatta
Glad to see they didn’t give up – play every game with that effort to the end of the year and I’ll live with the results until next year anyway – then I want to see a new coach and better results
Excellent. Just what we want to do, play good and donot get win or tie. Top 5 skill draft player.
For the record I don’t mind Hunter for GM, Lavvy for coach and WIlson for President although I’m sure there are other good options as well
But when was the last time the Hawks went outside the organization to make the best hire possible – Q I suppose but Rocky hasn’t had to clean house before – we don’t know if he can do it and how good he might be at it
Ideally he would start by getting a hockey person to be President and let that person hire a GM and the GM hire the coach
Do I see McD getting axed? – no – but maybe shuffled along so he just focuses on marketing and creating a new position for VP of Hockey Operations or some such – the Hawks need someone above the GM with hockey experience, knowledge and acumen to run the on ice product
Somebody gots to tell ANA and SJ they were doing good getting to 2 and 3. They are now 6 and 7 and tanking.
7th pick right now. Common ANA and SJ dont tease me bro.
Iceman, these are the times we have nothing to lose. If another team takes cheap shots we should just clock them in the head back-whatever they did to us they get the message.
Return to sender.
Very pleased with the effort. If they had played that hard earlier in the season they`d be in the hunt now. Can`t have Carpenter as your # 2 center …… for a veteran he`s made some costly errors over the past few months of the season and he has no business playing any more than 4th line minutes. This is on Bowman. Seems like his only mission at the Trade Deadline was to get himself some picks back by trading Lehner and Gustaffson. There was more work to do like finding some kind of skilled center to play with Kane and Saad and help out the Vets. He let these guys down. At the very least, and in hindsight, he should have kept Anisimov.
If the Hawks had brought their usual power play to this game, it would have been a rough evening. It felt like they got owned 5 on 5. The Blues had some really long shifts that were spent in the Hawks zone the whole time and it wasn’t just perimeter action. Crawford was great at the beginning, but when a goalie is under assault like Crow was, the result is often what we saw tonight.
This roster really isn’t close to competing against an elite team like St. Louis. The Hawks played hard but they just don’t have the personnel. This game is not on Colliton either. The NBCSN intermission crew pointed out a couple gaffes that the Hawks made and said it’s not on coaching. Said the players know they can’t leave people that open.
Somebody on the Hawks should have taken a major penalty defending him when Crow got run over and elbowed to the head. It would not have mattered if the Blues scored 5 goals on the PP, that can not stand – but it did. No response. If you absolutely need the points, then retribution can wait. The Hawks don’t need points. They are done. There is no way that can go unchallenged. Crow had to do it himself with a slash and even that was petty versus what was appropriate. When seeing that hit to Crawford’s head, I thought that might be the end of his career. Still not sure they shouldn’t have looked at him.
Pierre has good insights and an amazing memory. He can wear things out, but sometimes he wears things out talking positively about the Hawks too. We don’t mind that.
Despite the disappointing outcome, this game demonstrates why we are hockey addicts. Only 19 more games where we have any skin in the game. It seems like the season just started. Nothing in sports is more exciting than OT games in the playoffs. Nothing.
Oh to be inside Malcolm Subban’s brain tonight…..
Poor guy has gotta be scared spitless!!
My son thinks he is asking directions to Rockford.
Let’s face the facts. Bowman thinks he’s smarter than everyone, but Blues toyed with the Hawks again this year. They are big, strong, fast, tough. Heavy Hockey in western conference wins the day. Hawks don’t have the size and the grit to compete. They would do fine in Europe but guess what Stan, This is North America. Blues know what it takes to stomp the Hawks into the ice. When they get interested they dominate. I’m tired of watching Debrincat, Kane, Strome get swatted like fleas.
Wrap, I know I am being repetitive but giving Dach one year in CHL would have been more beneficial to his development than bringing him up right away.
Moving Lehner means more losses and a higher pick. Not so bad for a team that needs 3 forwards, 2 d-men and a G to become a serious contender. With all this talk about our strong D pipeline, other than Boq and Mitchell, who will be ready to start next season?
Fire this incompetent and desperate GM who last summer trades for two very unhealthy players, both one injury away from being career-ending. Didn’t expect the playoff window to close for 19 and 88 after 2015 , with little hope in sight.
I’m tired of watching 91, 92, 64, 36, 22, 17, 15, 5, and 6! Joke!
Trading Anisimov, a 3rd line center that gives you 15-20 goals a season and about 40 points is way ahead of Zach Smith, a another career expensive 4th line player who is done. Why make this trade unless you get a prospect or a draft pick to use money to sign a real free agent forward. His salary plus the $5million used for a career backup goalie could have been used properly to help Toews and Kane! Instead, he gets weaker by signing 4th line players like Carpenter and Smith when you can get anyone from ROCKFORD to play 8 minutes a game, on the cheap! He has been doing this idiotic stuff ever since he traded Danault (Weise, Fleishmann, Bouma, Kunitz, Carpenter, Kruger, Smith, on and on????
Bowman doesn’t see this? And doesn’t see that Strome can’t skate so he is nothing more than a PP guy and a 3rd line center with a bad defensive game? NICK SCHMALTZ!!!
DCat can skate and needs a playmaker. Kane must be so frustrated having to linuep with Carpenter and having to back check more often because 22 is super slow!
Now, does anyone on this board think that Mitchell, Beaudin and Boqviist can handle the Blues, the Caps, the Bruins, Tampa, Vegas, or any elite team in the NHL? Of course not!
Which is why he screwed up big time in the draft getting smallish dmen when Noah Dobson and Evan Bouchard were available….and then could have drafted a forward like Joe Veleno or a big winger instead of 5’10” Beaudin! Damn , I just forgot we have Tim Soderlund ! HAHA! It’s getting funnier and funnier by the minute! What is he, 5’6″?
The Rangers retool took all but one year and a few months! They can skate and are huge! Drafted well.
I guess Kubalik experienced playoff hockey tonight facing the Blues Dmen and forwards. He was very very quiet, almost like a Swiss hockey league watch!!! But, he has some size and potential except with all the secret bonuses Bowman must have promised him, his agent will take this bad accountant to the bank!
As a Hawk fan tonight, you can only admire the amazing desire 19, 88, 2, 20 and 50 displayed tonight knowing they have nothing to play for, especially not for this coacb or GM! KUDOS to the Champs!
PS: GUS looked slick tonight with the Flames.
PPS: How much combined salary on defence do we have with DaHaan, Murphy, and Maatta? Over 11-12million per year? Plus we had a back up at 5million? Who is the GM behind those ridiculous contracts?
PPPS: SEABS and KEITH deserved that money but these guys were bottom dmen on their respective teams. Hammer is still better than all 3 of them combined!
it is time to put the blame where the blame belongs. the seats have been filled and rocky has taken a hands off position. he gets full props for revitalizing this franchise, but it will now be fully on him if he continues to support the management team that has trashed the franchise.
first bowman, colliton, the assistant coaches, and all the rockford coaches must be fired. mc donough is allowed to stay on only as head of marketing, ticket selling, and day to day operations manager or out the door he goes as well. he can no longer be involved with anything having to do with players.
rocky, without the input of mc donough, must hire a vp of player personnel with full authority to hire a gm and head coach and to retool any aspect of the player development he deems necessary. and a cap management specialist must be hired who has the respect and trust of the vp of player personnel so that these contracts of too many years, too much money, nmcs, and caving into agents demands ceases.
then get out of the way of the new vp and let him get to work.
I’m with Morrison. At this point, we need the best draft pick possible. Don’t look now but here come the Devils. If the Hawks can somehow luck their way into the top 3 again. They draft will be a home run.
The Hawks will lose to both Tampa and Florida to round out the week.
We are actually “tanking” almost unintentionally. Losing close games every night and sinking closer and closer to a fantastic prospect. From there swing away in rounds 2, 3 (twice) and 4.
Draft and Develop. The best way to build a foundation in the salary cap era.
This is another reason why we need new everything. We get coaches gm team system certain type players then when teams do this kind of thing they get smacked right back.
We want to play to win, when were a top team again-right now who gives but we donot have anywhere near enough of those kind of players to do anything about it.
So when were getting roster to where we want it and the type of players, then we can run there goalies over like strange brew.
Maybe we need some players that defending the honor of the Charelstown Chiefs.
Just for a moment, just think that Cagg 91 is actually playing 1st line right wing on this team? Think about where he would be on the other 30 teams in the league? Would he actually be in the NHL? NOPE! Combine that with #22 centering Kane? And what if Dach does not make this team in September, who would play in his spot, Sikura? Wedin? Fortin? Incredible how Stan the car Salesman Bowman continues to disrespect the vets but also the hockey fans in Chicago. Hey Stan, your act is up, stop with the smoke screens and let real hockey men or women take over you job to give our Hall of famers one more playoff season.
Craig agree on draft and developing. Trotz when asked about about acquiring Pageau contingent on him signing long term and giving up a 1st, 2nd and potential 3rd to get him said, i don’t about picks most never play for us anyways and he will help next 5 years.
Original Dehaan was gamble that failed but Forsberg and Forsling to get him was cheap ( for that reason)were 2 players not in long term picture anyways, so still potential to gain on that deal, but iffy at best. Shaw trades basically turned into 2 2nd round picks ( Debrincat and Krys) plus a 7th this year, for a 2nd this year and a 3rd and 7th next. Still think that was more a marketing move to bring back a fan favourite.
I thought it was a poorly officiated game and do agree certain teams play that heavy, border line dirty game that the Hawks do very little to battle against-at least they scored a few on the power play. (Most nights teams don’t worry about that)
Early on I saw Seeler out of position, wandering and because of that watched him and he was very ‘Gus’ like in his movement and kept going high to the wing and was very out of position at times.
I think the Hawks will not gain position on any of the lower teams so it looks like about a 7 pick, which is not bad—unless two years in a row they get lucky and move up.
No reason (that makes sense) Bowman should survive this.
Glenn Hall you nailed it…..Kieth is done. Wish Saad was traded, an exact copy of Sharp, can not hit the net if it was a soccer net out there. Not sure who wrote it Laviette to coach?????? NO….. Nashville all that talent and he did nothing this year, also remember his bad handling of the Philly goalies in the SC finals against the Hawks. I would rather see Babcock as coach.
The play Mike Johnson pointed out between periods was a killer. Kampf was on Thomas, Stl went for a change but Thomas. Kampf left him alone to go towards the puck or something when we had someone going that way already. Stl gets there just before us. Taps it to Thomas all alone with time to spare in front of Crow. Goal. Bad choice by Kampf
JR he did let him go because he wasn’t his man, that is where this system fails the players continually when play gets scrambly. If he stayed with him and his man came in unguarded be blamed too. While other teams run efficient plays the Blackhawks waste time finding there man before even beginning to play defense, unreal.
We have as a group pointed out the colossal mistakes made by Stan Bowman for several years now. The Seabrook contract, the Q firing, the C hiring, the Panarin trade, the Danault trade, the Tuevo trade, terrible FA signings, poor drafting, and all of the abysmal deadline deals have seen the Hawks miss the playoffs for three years now. In those three years, we have wasted the best hockey years of Toews, Kane, Keith, and Crawford. So, I think I speak for the group…Rocky, Effing do something!!
Tommy Ivan – Amen x infinity.
This game is a perfect example of what playoff hockey would be. Hawks were absolutely dominated in the first period. The size. skill and grit of St.L shows that the NHL/north american rink is meant for these types of teams. Hawks were manhandled on the boards. Hawks D is slow, soft. Hawk forwards are playing a dump-and-chase game with St.L d-men in Parayko and Pietrangelo – both of whom just need an arm on a Hawks forward, and they’ll win the puck. Caggulia, Kampf, Carpenter, Nylander – hell, throw in Sikura and Wedin – they stand no chance. The only player that can win those battles is Towes and maybe Saad. And at times, Kane. And if Colliton’s strategy is that style, then he’s off base with Stan’s. What is Stan’s strategic roadmap? He tinkers with failed first round picks (Nylander, Koekoek, Strome, Perlini, Queneville) of which have rendered a pile of mediocrity. He’s the Jerry Angelo of hockey GMs. I just read his comments from the 670 Score interview – he said, “we’re adapating, not re-building” – another spin move.
Just played out the final games of NJ, Ott, SJ, Ana and ours. Have Det and La at 1 and 2 drafting. Ott 66 pts, Chi 70, SJ 72, Ana 72 and NJ 76.
So lottery at position at 4. We were at 12 with 8% to get 3 and got it I believe. NJ was at 3 with 12% to get 1. So probably 8% again to get 1 from the 4 position. I will check my numbers again. Had a bender last night. Giving up the sauce for 47 days.
Hawks in 7th now and could end as high as 8/9 and a low as 4/5.
Still enough games for small movement. Need to pray for a jump to 1 or 2-lottery, and they can move to a poorer position. It happens.
Now that Laviolette is available, CUP champ and just named to coach USA at the Worlds, Kane will be there and this would be perfect to name him coach soon!!!
Look at what an experienced winning coach has done for the FLYERS who always draft well!
Regardless of who is in charge next season, we all said enough there, players like Dach, Debrincat, Strome, Kubalik, Boqvist, Mitchell, even Murphy and Saad have to continue shouldering more of the load and take it from Toews, Kane and Keith, and not just be along for the ride if this team is to improve. What the core can bring needs to become the gravy that tops it off. Also another Nhl ready or almost ready 1st pick and development of players like Barrett, Hagel, Kurashev, Carlsson, Regula, Beaudin, Teply, Entwistle will be key in the next few years. Some needed keys adds no doubt will be huge too if road back is to be soon.
Regula with a hatty last week and all were very nice finishes. He has skill and size. Whether or not he pans out to be seen, but kind of surprised Wings gave him up for fool’s gold Perlini.
This all started with Toews, Seebs,Dunc being overpaid exacerbated by Paranin deal. New GM has” to cut Seebs & Dunc loose. I don’t care what the monetary cost. Get with Speed(Boqvist, Kane, Fortin, Beaudin, etc), grit ( Gilbert, Seeler, Caggs, Dach in a couple years, etc). Our skill players & goalies need protection. AND…we need Strome- Cat to be on Kane’s line, period. I’m tired of watching Caggs and Gilbert) be the only Hawks to hit people. Where the hell is Gilbert???
That’s what i like about Entwistle, he is big, grinder, good in his own end, solid pk guy not afraid to drop the gloves. Owns a big league shot so might bring some offense too.
Gilbert hockey IQ is low, so low he needed to start fights! Cagg has lots of heart but dump and chase wityh his size is useless, thus hockey IQ not as low but low! These are AHL playeres…aim higher. You can’t expect to go from Hossa, Sharp, Ladd on bthe wings to Cagg, Nylander and Kubalik… Let’s be serious! Roster needs upgrade and until you actually find better players than Seabs or Keith whcih we still dont have althoiugh Leddy and Johns would have been a good second pairing of the future…Boqvist and Beaudin at under 6’tall and light is not going to do it!
Well said Tommy IVAN!!!
Thats the kind of stuff I donot know everything about, since were a skiing and baseball family. Every little aspect of hockey. I know a lot and learned goodhere. Been watching for 35 yrs.
So when everybody talked about how our Defensemen our and what they do wrong, is it the player or this system.
Kind of like how someone here around games 20-40 was saying what in the F are we doing, because we have guys to low and the other team D just comes in with noone around them and keeps the puck in/easily.
Tommy, been saying that since game 20 and everybody else since game 10.
Looking at that it seems like 4th is high and there are some teams behind us that could like BUF MON. Really ANA and SJ could win some games, they did recently and got to 2 and 3, then lost a bunch and are 6 and 7. Ahh? ANA won so 5 and 7.
We could lose more then win and get in the 4-8 area and that should be 6th or maybe 4th or 5th based on ANA/SJ.
The thing will be in the last 72-82 games who shows up tanks throws games. Being this close any team could easily go 4-2-1 or 2-4-1 last 7 games and thats a 4 game swing.
Ian, same with Barratt hes like a Shawzer kind of style with more scoring skill. Hes exactly the kind of players we need, regardless of height.
Not trying to disagreeing with you Hull I though Gilbert only fighted when other team was pissed and couldnt take getting nailed by him on clean hits, they had to be a bunch of possies and fight-him. Boy its going to be nice once we adapt the roster to have half the roster with bigger or physical players.
Apparently Bowman mentioned Shalunov, good size, makes sense next year, last chance to sign him to elc as he turns 27. No reason not give him out clause to go back to khl if he doesn’t stick on nhl roster as he would be ufa after his elc anyways. With him Entwistle and another big center 1st pick who can step in that 3 forwards that can impact you’re roster next season for under 3m caphit. Maybe other european signings too.
Have 8, 19 plus 20, 77 and 12, 17 with 88, 1st pick and maybe 92 to fit with them. Then have a 4th line with Entwistle and Shalunov on wings who can play up lineup if needed and on of Kampf or Carpenter, shop the other, and Highmore as 13th too. Barrett and Kurachev should be ready for callup when needed.
Strome is way too slow and does not win enough puck battles to play with Kane.Dach is a much better fit with Kane.Ideally Dach-Kane-Saad is your 2nd Line.Toews-Kubalik,Puljujarvi/Oilers-1st Line.Marchessault/ Vegas-Debrincat-Shalunov-3rd Line-Barratt-Entwistle-Matt Martin/Islanders-4th Line.Keith-Boqvist/Murphy-Koekkoek/M.Savard-Blujackets and Ian Mitchell-D Pairings.Crawford&Lankanen-Goalies.
Great comments from all. The painful reality is that our two beloved super elite forwards are going to have to go thru yet two or more rebuilding seasons while their skills diminish. Bowman failed them, Crawford, Keith, Seabs, ticket-holders, and all Blackhawk fans.
Stan just messed up at the tdl. Lehner could have been signed for three years at a fair price. The return they received for him will likely not make it to the NHL.
Hey Hull 65-you may be right But-v blues, when Hawks outletted to middle, they beat the trap…and Boqvist and Beaudin have skill to Bobby Orr the puck and lead the rush. No/ no one will ever be Orr- BUT-D-men leading a rush IS trap breaker. U may be right about Gilbert BUT I respectively disagree/ he has juice and in some fights, he came to a teammates aid…AND-the Hawks “won” with him in line up. He gets minutes- he’ll learn. Hell- what’s keith’s Plus minus. Regardless- I hope Wirtz reads all this stuff by all of u. Hope it registers.
Gilbert if anything is a bottom pairing but I think Seeler is a better skater. We need to focus on who will be the new top 4 of the future and Keith still has 2-3 years in the tank, his conditioning is off the charts. He is called upon to play with offensive players like GUS and BOQVIST when he needs a Seabs, Pietrangelo, a Webber type partner! Again, this is JC being a fool. Even last year when they had their run, Seabs was reunited at times with Keith like in 2015! Murphy tried but again he is a flop and handles pressure and the puck like an anxiety attack every time. On a good team, he is a bottom pairing! Damn, that’s what he was on a bad Arizona team!!!
Bowman needs tio get fired…and who ever takes his place needs to draft some talented forwards with size, speed and skill. I was watching tonight Donskoi and Burakowsky in Colorado!!! here was Bowman when these guys were available in September? Instead, he removes skilled players and replaces them with slugs!
Regula and Entwhistle are not his picks and who knows if they will have an impact. But We don’t need more Shaw type players…first let’s get a Hossa, a Ladd, a Sharp, a Frolic, a Teuvo type player then plug in a Shaw type! And Kampf, Carpenter, and Smith should not return next year. Kurashev has a higher IQ than Kampf and can start as a 4th line center. Josh Anderson for Beaudin and Kampf!
I like Josh Anderson as well. I wouldn`t be scared off by his injuries and stats this year. Size, speed, and skill.
Yeah saying Anderson likely heading for surgery on his shoulder, table that thought for this year.
Hull65 for the money Caggiula has earned every penny of his contract. If half the players on this team had his heart and desire they’d be in playoff contention. If you want to rag pick a new target because you’re dead wrong with this one.
Once again the glaring inadequacies in this Hawks lineup from a physical standpoint came to the forefront against the Blues. While it was a decent effort against(I hate to say it) a far better team, were it not for the PP success, and a very strong game from Crow, this would have been a blowout for the home team. This Hawks roster was not put together to play a “heavy” game. That lies squarely with SB. Consequently, against teams like St. Louis, Boston, Caps, Jets, and Bolts for example Hawks simply can’t roll 4 lines and compete over 60 minutes. Blues took little to no punishment right around the Hawks crease. Crow takes 2 shots to the head and where the support from his team mates? To me this not acceptable! Even if it means taking a 2 or 5 minute penalty, retribution must be exacted when your goalie takes cheap shots. Blues just stood there around the crease daring Hawks to hit them and I just felt they were laughing at the guys in the Indian head sweaters. This Hawks team is not built to compete against upper echelon NHL rosters. Injuries have NOT been serious to this Hawks season even though some upper end players missed some time like Keith.
On a positive note JC at least called a timeout after Blues lit the lamp in quick succession. Hawks brought both of those goals on themselves with dumb ass plays from 22 and 6.
Finally a comment regarding the NHL and teams like the Blues and Boston. These teams commit so many rule infractions on a game to game basis that refs simply don’t call them all. These teams play this way on purpose as it is to their advantage to do so. This is how the Blues won the Cup last year. Then it gets down to special teams to win games where lots of penalties get called. This is what kept Hawks in the game again against Blues the other night. If the NHL allows refs to call a soft game and forget whistles teams like Boston and St Louis are the beneficiaries. NHL GM’s need to wise up to this and adjust rosters accordingly.
Let’s Go Haawks!
Do the Hawks take the Russian goalie at 7? Any big time forwards for Hawks at 7 spot? Anyone can comment who is into this draft.
Playball be alot of high ceiling forwards in top 15 picks, outside top 2 or 3 be hard to say who goes where.
Have to agree with Phil on the make up of a Hockey team. Need size and some sort of fear or if not fear but having the opposing team know that you will retaliate. Eye for an eye. Caggs has good heart and courage but not big enough. Need a Matt Martin. Look who Tom Wilson skates with. One big on every line and two bigs on the fourth with a skater.
Earl? Dead wrong?
I said CAGG should and would never be on any other line but the 4th line on an elite team and maybe all the teams. He has great heart! But that doesn’t mean we win games with him. He dumps and chases and he’s 5’9″ tall. He can play on a 4th line but that’s it. Heart means nothing if you don’t have talent as well. Hossa had heart but had talent! Same with Toews! Adam Burrish had heart? How long did he last and where was he playing….4th line. Let’s talk serious which means talking about the lack of talent/skill Bowman has assembled since the loss of Danault, Sharp, Teuvo, Hossa, Johns, TVR, Vermette, Bickell, Richards, then lately Panarin, Anisimov, Hammer, Schmaltz, and yes Gus!
In other words, you can give Kampf, Cagg, Carpenter, Smith, Sikura, Wedin, Highmore, Fortin all the CAGG heart transplants you want, and you still don’t make the playoffs because there is no talent! And Nylander is on that fence, overrated talent and no heart!
HULL,exactly right.You need to have a base to start with in today’s NHL.I think we all know what that is.You can afford a couple of smaller forwards but they can’t be the base of your team.You have Kane and Debrincat,the rest have to be heavy and fast.Same with the Defensemen,you have Boqvist and potentially Mitchell.The rest have to be large,fast,and angry moving people and protecting your goalie.The Hawks are 1 of the only teams in the league that routinely does not have a physical response to dirty hits.I really do not know why This dynasty is over and it is time to develop an identity which protects your assets on the ice and that can’t be done with a G.M that continually drafts and acquires soft and undersized players.This organization is a mess right now.
Earl agree a couple more Cagguilas in the lineup woulda been welcomed sight alot of games this season. The intangibles that somebody with heart brings are a major part of winning teams and the spark needed. The daily labelled Ahlers in the lineup this season were far from the problem and that was obvious for everybody to see.
If they really weren’t going to resign Gus or Robin, then trading them was the only good option instead of losing them for nothing. I’m with every one of you who are seeing the same game as I am. The Hawks are soft. I don’t mean effort especially 88, 19, 2, 50, 8, 91, 42, 20. or 77. But I mean they don’t have the bodies to take a man off the puck. Dach will be there in a few years sure. But I’m at a loss why Gilbert isn’t playing. He’ll take the man, clear the net, stand up for his teammates, and drop the gloves if needed. He’s not a 2, 27, or 56 but he’s someone we need in the lineup. Seeler comes in and does the same thing as Gilbert and then gets to watch the next 5 games from the booth. Are Coliton and Bowman watching a Hawks team in a parallel universe or what? We need some bigger bodies in there.
If you checkout the scouts and draft experts reviews of upcoming draft picks and available College free agents,there are consistently the same 2 negatives on players.Those are their slow and weak skating and their size.This NHL is about the combo of size and elite skating.The 2 variables that most prospects can work on.The same holds true for acquisitions at the NHL Level.
Tim thats also the easiest way to write up an article without actually doing any scouting, which is often the case, say they are too small or too slow. Quickness, positional play, IQ, heart, poise etc. are ignored not a lesser issue.
Ian,I would agree with you 5 or so years ago.Quickness,heart.desire positional play now will never survive a 7 game series against a fast,big,heavy on the puck team.Even the San Jose Sharks last year,who were not exactly a small team,found out against the Blues after the 2nd period in a game 5 when 5 of their top players were knocked out of the game and series with injuries.Your smaller top players will be targeted and punished.Its a very different game.
I would also add that when you read a review pointing out sub par speed and skating, rarely does that player get taken ahead of a player that does not have that negative in their review.Skating and speed is huge.
You like Kirby Dach lol, picked for about 8th by most. Scouts ran with subpar speed in his revue. What i said is it takes alot to make a player a star, speed is one part that can and size is too but so is heart and number of other intangibles. Judging by size and speed only is not scouting.
Package D cat ,Strome and Nylander ….get what we can .
I want bigger bodies in there so we can, cheat, 40 times a game like the other top ‘size’ teams do. Then once we get the players we can see how they like there own medicine.
I really would like to see those teams have to play without cheating that much. Have refs call like 15-20 penaltys against them every game.
As soon as I posted that we went on a scoring freenzy.
Get those 10 players were missing with size, to go with the good players we have. Then were looking good.