Blackhawks Move Toews, Dach to LTIR
On Thursday the Blackhawks officially moved centers Jonathan Toews and Kirby Dach to Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR).
What does that mean?
For Dach, this was expected. The wrist injury he suffered at the World Juniors likely ended his 2021 season before it began, which is unfortunate after he finished his rookie season so well.
For Toews, an LTIR designation means he will miss at least 10 games and 24 days. In a 56-game regular season, this is a tough blow, but the focus should be on Chicago’s captain getting himself healthy – not how soon he can play hockey.
Brent Seabrook, who is officially out with a lower back issue, remains on just Injured reserve.
Does anybody here have an educated guess on what happened to Toews???
re: Hammer Time – yes.
Ok Tab,what do you know?
I am of the personal belief that Jonathan Toews is battling a critical medical diagnosis that extends beyond anything hockey connected. We may have seen the last of him in hockey. His privacy and battle are to be respected.
Hard to say what it means on Seabrooks return, could be just a needless move to put him on ltir too with room to recall now available. Has the potential to back sooner but doesn’t really sound like he will be ready for a month or so. Hopefully both him and Toews back soon.
This also means that the Hawks can move people into the line up from the taxi squad
Hopefully that then means at least Kurashev, Hagel, Carlsson and Lankinen get some game action relatively soon and maybe Beaudin and Kalynuk as well
Not all at once of course
Go Hawks
I have no idea on Toews. He went and skated in Arizona with Matthews and McDavid in the third week of November. So not sure if it was bothering him then or how far back this goes. Some have mentioned him not playing in the final minutes in a game against Vegas, maybe suffering from some lack of energy. Hard to say.
I hope for the best for him personally, as he resurrected the hockey team I love when he came here. And it sure isn’t remotely the same without him. The lost look on Kane’s face should tell you all you need to know. Not many alpha males on the Blackhawks, but Toews sure is/was one of them.
One problem the hawks will have is that Kane is not the ‘look at that guy, do what he does’ type, as Toews and Hossa were. Kane has otherworldly skills so he gets a free pass not to backcheck, to fly the zone early, etc. The problem is without Hossa and Toews leading the example as respected vets that play two ways, the young guys all look to Kane, and he isn’t going to morph into Colliton’s ideal backchecking forward anytime soon. He needs people to get him the puck. Unless the coach is an idiot. Which is up for debate.
Hope I can see Hagel and Carlson play next game
Like I said but maybe I am wrong …we won’t see Toews for a while ,if we see him in March I will be happy.
Love my Hawks
Delia in goal Tomorrow? ?
Toews has Lyme disease .
Tazer is doing what Crow had to wait until fully ready and this yr doesnt matter doe team wont try to tell him to come back early like they did with Crow.
Can come back and play last 5 games so people can know hes ok.
Just a thought ,if he was in Arizona he could have picked up valley fever .Its hard to diagnose .
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
The worse it is now the better it is to come just like 2006 2007 with the 2019 2021 and maybe 2022 drafts.
Thanks to who responded to me about Toews. Don’t care if he plays or not this year I was just concerned for his overall health.
I think we could be a record setting team this year. Specifically, we have a real opportunity to set the record for fewest points recorded by a team during a 56 game schedule. This would likely stand for all time, so it wouldn’t be just any old record.
Worst Campbell last yr SJ 29-36 OTT 25-34 and DET 17-49.
I like the 2nd worse record before ping pong balls if were talking that bad.
So the Hawks have tons of cap space and we are rebuilding. The smartest thing Stan can do is to be willing to acquire a bad contract with a top draft pick attached.
Carolina did it to us with Teravainen and Bickell. Now Stan has the chance to do the same. Unfortunately I do not believe Stan would ever to be able work a similar deal. He just does not have the acumen.
He will wait to the deadline, get a 4th rounder for Janmark and 5th rounder in 2022 for Soderberg and tell the fans that was all that was out there.
Craig, that space is only there as long as Toews is out, if he is expected back this year, there is no ltir room to take any contracts and ltir room is just enough to run roster. If Toews is out for year, then that could be looked at but don’t know if that’s the case, nothing so far indicates he definitely won’t be back.
Most plausible theory on Toews is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
From the Mayo Clinic website:
Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is a complicated disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that lasts for at least six months and that can’t be fully explained by an underlying medical condition. The fatigue worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn’t improve with rest.
Other characteristic symptoms include:
Sleep that isn’t refreshing
Difficulties with memory, focus and concentration
Dizziness that worsens with moving from lying down or sitting to standing
The cause of chronic fatigue syndrome is unknown, although there are many theories — ranging from viral infections to psychological stress. Some experts believe chronic fatigue syndrome might be triggered by a combination of factors.
There’s no single test to confirm a diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome. You may need a variety of medical tests to rule out other health problems that have similar symptoms. Treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome focuses on improving symptoms.
2015 …where did you get your information ?
Lyme disease can be really bad
At least now they know the problem .
HAWKS2010 – I clearly stated that it came from the Mayo Clinic website.
Here is the link: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20360490
Also, if you read what I posted and what the website states – “There’s no single test to confirm a diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome. You may need a variety of medical tests to rule out other health problems that have similar symptoms.” – you would think that they tested for and ruled out Lyme disease (and probably Mononucleosis and many others). If he tested positive for Lyme disease, why wouldn’t they say it?
I was just trying provide an “educated guess” and not make a definitive statement without proof.
Sorry, meant 2010, I meant to direct this at 2015
let’s give this one more try.
I apologize to Hawks2010, I thought you were responding to my post and challenging what I stated.
I would also like to know where 2015 got his information to make such a definitive statement.
(I wish I knew how to delete or edit my posts)
Again, my apologies to all.
I appreciate all the amateur health analysts on here, but please do know that 19 has been tested for a lot of different issues. Hopefully actual doctors are able to get him right.
I like Craig’s idea of using the LTIR space to take on a bad contract and get some assets for the rebuild – but only if it doesn’t preclude Toews from rejoining the team. I don’t think they can do that unless they are certain he will not be rejoining the team and that is not something any of us want to hear.
Craig- Stan has already stated that the sort of move you’re talking about with getting a bad contract along with a prospect or draft pick is something they could do next year
Next year according to Stan will be the first time that the Hawks will be in a position to do that cap wise
Like you I hope Stan does make such a move but if it happens it won’t be until next off season when moves like that are typically made
Wrap that’s the way i understood it too on Bowmans position on acquiring a bad contract, be open to it next summer.
Sunday will get to see Forsling with Gudas as a 3rd pairing for Panthers, Q had him qbing 2nd power play as well. Forsberg claimed off waivers by Jets as well. Quite a go around for him. Oilers signed him as fa, Canes claimed him back off waivers from Oilers before trying to get him thru waivers again and Jets claiming him. Kempny on ltir, not sure on his expected time to be out, if he comes back this season, Caps have serious cap issues to deal with. TVR signed with Caps and Frolik on Habs taxi squad a couple more moves by ex Blackhawks.
As someone noted earlier, The Great and Powerful Oz does not have the acumen.
Yet he has the title, and total control of what we see on the ice today.
And he built it with his own two hands!
No help, no inheritance.
Amazing what skill, or in this case, total lack of, can create.
I say the over/is 47 points for the year, and I am betting the under.
The over/under of 47 points could also be for points scored by Kane. His career average is over 1 point per game but I think he will be hard pressed to do that this season.
We all know well the challenges this team faces, expect, especially 2nd and 3rd lines and defense pairings, after they have a few games to get to know each other, they will communicate better and clean up some stuff. Some players will rise to the occasion as time goes on, others will struggle. A short camp, no preseason and alot of new faces plus familiar ones missing, not in game mode like they need to be yet, expect a better game tonight but obviously Bolts are defending Champs.
ian
if the first line continues as kane, strome, and de brincat they will struggle just as much as the other lines.
they should be called the matador line in honor of the way they play defense.
HAWKS29, agree they aren’t a line that is a long term unit for reasons that we all basically agree on. If their going to be together, they need to score in droves and with no real other line as an offensive threat for other teams to worry about, that is a tall order. A few games together to see what other combos have some chemistry together as a potential place for a Kane or one of other 2 to play with as a line, might not be a bad idea. Be a help if Kurashev can fill a void on a top 6 line but may be asking too much, same with Suter as 2C, but that is what this year is about i guess.
ian
never coached hockey, but coached a lot of travel soccer. as far as combinations of players working together i developed three attitudes:
1) i knew quickly what didn’t work.
2) i knew not to assume something i hadn’t tried definitely wouldn’t work.
3) it was possbile that something that made absolutely no sense could work. you just cannot always account for player compatibility.
i feel kane-strome-de brincat nestle very well into #1.
i don’t know what to feel about kubalik, kurashev, or suter playing with kane, but what is there to lose in trying? put one of those guys with kane and a third forward willing to play 200 feet and do the dirty work in the corners and hope for the best.
So are there six open rosters spots next year if you’re just looking at who is signed through next year? Great opportunity for these guys to already work on next years contract. This team will only be as good as the goalies in net. Just my opinion but I am most excited to see Lankinen get an opportunity but as the case with the other two, I will not judge them probably until March or after ten starts…given a short season it will be a small sample. The reality is none of them are experienced on an nhl schedule and stating the obvious no preseason.
There will be some goalie losses. Few goalies break into the nhl on a win streak…however on the flip side of the coin some nhl goalies will make entire careers of a short hot streak. Seriously believe some goalies had they not had a short hot stint would never have been signed by team after team trying to catch that lightning in a bottle once more. Would be nice if Stan would try to find another goalie for the AHL that can be given the opportunity of a lifetime!
People can doom and gloom on this team all they want, the reality is this is the opportunity of a lifetime to show up and play their best making a name for themself. Now….the coaches system and plan may or may not help those individuals.
Just some food for thought I have basically no clue what jc the coaches plans are. It was unnerving though refreshingly honest to listen to the pregame interview with Stan basically confirming Jc is getting “experience “. Look I dont expect the coach to reveal all his plans. Coach Q had closed door meeting with select players, there is a fun story of how Darling was invited by accident and the assistant coach literally pushed him out of the room and told him to send in Crawford instead. Point being these interviews with the coaches…sometimes I watch them, but the interviews I would assume are mostly just press nonsense. I have a lot of trouble believing these coaches are speaking honestly when it comes to plans and strategies, sure they give breakdowns of some plays but whatever so does the color commentary. So I’d love to really know what the legit plans are and why certain decisions are made, however the reality is that probably shlikdnt be shared with the public ie opponents
Strome and Debrincat have shown that they need a puck hound to go get them the puck.They are too small and slow to do anything on the rush or dump and chase.I would love to see Suter and Kurashev or Hagel get an opportunity with Kane.On the defensive side of things let Carllson play with Zadorov and let Boqvist sit until he can be sent down to Rockford to develop his work ethic and defensive positioning.Perhaps a little power skating for him also.On the goaltending,we know what Subban is.Lets get a long look at Lankinen and Delia.
ALS heard from a very reliable source.
Heard from someone who knows the doctor that Towes is seeing
If the doctor treating Toews is telling people what’s wrong with him he won’t have a license for much longer. Take that w/ a grain of salt.