Blackhawks Send Pirri, Carlsson to Rockford
On Wednesday morning the Blackhawks re-assigned forward Brandon Pirri and defenseman Lucas Carlsson to the Rockford IceHogs.
Carlsson was also activated off IR. He had been out of action because of a groin injury.
Carlsson will back soon Pirri maybe not
I had forgotten about him in fact
The shuttle bus to Rockford is getting a workout this year. Probably need new tires soon.
@wrap. Sucks Carlsson was sent down. I thought him and Boqvist would make a great tandem. I was hoping when he came off of IR JC could pair them for a bit. Carlsson is that defensive partner Boqvist needs if anybody seen how defensively good Carlsson is on the left side. He showed it playing on the right side.
Then to have a Beaudin/ Mitchell pairing? Over the moon. How they are being prepped and developed is awkward but they have no choice. But I can see 2 years from now after Keith is gone a defense that consists of
Beaudin-Mitchell
Carlsson-Boqvist
Kaylnuk- Murphy
If Seattle doesn’t steal Carlsson..
The offensive and defensive pairings are off the charts.
Now to those thinking I dislike Boqvist. I don’t but how they are going about it does. A vet 2 years from now who played in the NHL that is retiring doesn’t have what these kids need to play the system now. Duncan Keith and his knowledge of offensive defensemen has changed not a little but a lot.
I know a lot might not get this but in the mid 80’s the HAWKS top pairing was Doug Wilson and Bob Murray. If you ever seen this pairing in the early 80’s it never made sense. But this is how the NHL is now. A defensive defenseman with an offensive defenseman. Call me stupid and I thought the same thing at that time. But Doug Wilson was able to do what he did offensively because of Bob Murray. 40 years later it’s how the league is headed.
Nameless you can all the way back to underrated stay at home Dallas Smith allowing Orr to play his game, that tyoe of pairing is what is successful, agree that balance is needed to be successful. These guys are still young and learning, maybe pairing them with Keith is a learning process for now, doesn’t matter if see that as long as it’s helping them. Then as you say in a couple if years the pairings you say will be ready to thrive.
Every situation is a little or a lot different. Sure history is a great teacher so what has worked in the past will work now in many cases, but not all. New or recycled ways of doing things happen often. Look at the Zadorov/Murphy pairing – they have played well together and they don’t fit the template of one offensive d-man paired with a defensive d-man.
With 2/44/16 – the LHD slots are full so Carlsson and Beaudin (and Kalynuk) don’t have a spot right now unless 11F/7D and even then they would need to play their off hand because 2/44/16 are going to play on the left. The ideal scenario is to trade deHaan but then it probably means Carlsson gets exposed in the Seattle draft.
Agree trading Dehaan maybe Strome and others will come. I’m ok in waiting to next years tdl or during season sometime if they are serving a purpose or developing. Hope Carlsson stays around too, Vlassic looking good this year as well.
Vlassic a lot hes another one of those 1st half od 2nd round gems.
We have to trade a 5ht/other whatever it takes to expansion so we keep every prospect. We had to collect them the hard way byt having a couple off yrs so we need to keep everyone because we earned them.
I see us adding an elite top pair Defensemen in a few yrs and another elite FW like Hoss. Maybe not though we have to have those spots filled to be really deep and we ll have the space because until we have those spots filled then the space will be there because its not being used on player like that. Right now those spots are 7 caphit and other caphit. So it will be there to use when we are ready.
It’s fun to look ahead to a post Keith defense
I think we all agree on Boquist Mitchell Beaudin and Murphy being part of that future D – the question who fills the other two spots
I feel that Zadorov is starting to show his value – if he continues to play well and improve then he’s a keeper I feel
That leaves Carlsson Kalynuk or perhaps Vlasic in the near term to fill out the top 6
Carlsson will be tempting for Seattle but we’ll see – lots can change especially before Keith is no longer a Hawk whenever that may be
@ER Carlsson is exposed no matter what. I thought he was exempt but nope. And about the defensive pairings from years gone by the offensive/defensive pairings were rare as most defensemen were enforcers. Not much need for them now and with all the fantasy stuff all about points and + stats it’s the direction this league and all sports are going to go. Advantage offense.
And Wrap I’m hoping that with #46 always playing on the right side nobody has noticed him. Also Boston has a lot of injuries on defense and are looking for a LHD as a rental. Zadorov or deHaan could fill that void.
Good post nameless. Bob McKenzie and Eddie O. Both noted on NBC on Wednesday night that Boston would like to add a veteran defenseman at the deadline as they have Stanley Cup aspirations.
I think Zadorov is here to stay with the Hawks. He was billed by Bowman as an intimidating thumper and he has proved to be that.
Trading deHaan is more realistic. He’s finally healthy. He has veteran playoff experience and the Hawks are not going to protect him in the expansion draft.
D prospect Vahkennainen still cannot crack the top 6 every night. But he is ripe and ready. Adding a 2nd rounder in this draft would be nice as well.
Delia is having a brutal stint in Rfd., pulled tonight after 7g on 30 shots in under 30 mins.
Wrap agree could see maybe Murphy Boqvist and Beaudin Mitchell pairings with another pairing of who you mentioned or maybe somebody else in pipeline steps up down the road.
If we get 2nd for Haan/other from top 10 teams I want to be trading up these 50-60 picks to 30-45. To me we have picked very well in 1st half of 2nd round by fact in last decade. Only one/so far had not been good Clendening and one good one in later 2nd Mitch. Others still could be good. Anyways trade up for 30-45 picks.
To me the cutoff is 45th pick.
Once Kalynuk gets his opportunity he will be here in a top 4 role for good.He is their best young defenseman.
I would like to see DeHaan moved but it won’t be easy as he is still under contract next year at $4.5m with an injury history. I would be surprised if Edmonton isn’t also in the market for a veteran d-man.
TimW i hope Kalynuk does become a top 4 guy. Has some skill for sure. See him and Beaudin each had 2 assists tonight and Carlsson a goal, Pirri added a couple of goals too. Nine goals allowed sorta spoiled it though.
That’s the good thing, there’s lots of competition amongst themselves, that should help these young guys reach their ceilings in a couple of years. If they don’t there are others coming up.
Murphy and Boqvist paired together is an interesting thought.
So who plays the left side?
The Norris trophy isn’t really for the best defenseman any more: It’s more for the highest scoring defenseman. And that’s a shame. They have more than one trophy for forwards. Time to do the same for defensmen.
Kalynuk(26)-Mitchell(24)
Zadorov(28)-Boqvist(23)
Beaudin(24)-Murphy(30)
Carlsson(26)
On deck:
Vlasic(22)-Regula(23)
Keep in mind that one of Zadorov or Carlsson may end up being lost in the expansion draft but this is just illustrative. Just thought it was worth pointing out that in 2 1/2 years, when the Hawks are about to begin the 2023 season, this will be the age of the blueliners(assuming that Keith retires and this is the first year playing without him)..what’s interesting is that it’s still going to be one of the youngest bluelines in the NHL..and that’s not even factoring in Kaiser, Phillips, Krutil, Denim, Galvas, Moberg, Krys, or any draft picks or free agent signings over the next three years..the blueline is officially in really, really, good shape moving forward. Even if 2/3 of the blueliners in our system don’t make the NHL..the handful that do will just continue to solidify our blueline depth for years to come..and even though there isn’t a true number one defenseman right now, there might be 8 second pairing defensemen and you can win a lot of hockey games with that type of blueline depth..
Silent, Murphy has played left side at times and Boqvist the small sample we have saw, suggests alot of switching back and forth to his offside already, so may not be a that much of an issue.
Be interesting to see who is moved at tdl, next month will impact those decisions some, quite likely. In goal with Delia’s poor showing in Rfd., would seem to remove any tdl unterest in him. Also if Subban draws interest, where does backup come from if Delia isn’t a viable option anymore. Be great if they find someone to take Dehaans contract with caphit next year too, more of a hockey trade than tdl rental for expiring contract. Possibly Carlsson if they feel he will go to Seattle, likely Murphy protected with 2 and 7. If it should happen 7 is exempt, not near a sure thing yet or they protect a 4th D, my money would be on Zadorov as the guy protected. Fwds., Strome see Dehaan, Janmark seems a likely candidate being an ufa in summer, if Dach returning is going to happen this year as suggested, then Soderberg would make sense too. Strome and Toews returns could impact Soderberg decision as well. Wouldn’t be surprised to see 1 or 2 of Carpenter, Highmore or Wallmark with minimum caphits next year to impact a team also moved at tdl if interest is there. This month will make thise decisions easier or harder for sure.
@silent. No.No and No. They don’t have enough RHD to even think that. It’s bad enough they were rotating 3 LHD’s to fill the right side. But allowing Boqvist to do his offensive thing with a more stay at home defenseman is what he needs and Murphy fits that criteria. Boqvist playing with Keith who also likes to just jump up whenever was a disaster because Boqvist wasn’t ready defensively to cover it. He’s better with deHaan but he’s getting antsy to jump in also.
Hoping Carlsson stays as he would be the perfect LHD for Boqvist and though he is pretty damn good offensively he’s better at defending and staying home. I’d like to see Kalynuk give it a go but now you are pairing 2 offensive weapons together and who’s the one that gets the nod to jump in.
Now as much as I want Carlsson to stay I would rather Stan get some assets to help the team than roll the dice and lose him for nothing in the draft. He’s 23 and developed a RFA at the end of the season and makes less than 1 mil. Plus being a 4th round pick I’m sure his value could probably bring in a 2nd rounder.
To me the cutoff is 45th pick.
When I say that I mean after the tradeup.
Be very good Kaynuk is top 4/one of the better Horsemen. I would put Kaynuk in Buckaroo spot there and now those 4 are the Four Horsemen.
Boq Mitch Kaynuk Beau.
Like the big 4 of 19 88 10 81 we got deeper/the 4 plus one when 20 was ready. Same with Defensemen when we get Vlassic/other we have the 4 plus one.
I would trade 5ht/other to keep every prospect from expansion draft team. Makes you think trading a D for FW to protection list with those LA good prospects makes even more sense if that gets us through that by doing that. What would be better trading away a 5ht/other or getting a god prospect from LA for one of the D guys and expansion can have a Morin/Clendening then.