Blackhawks Sign Matt Tomkins To 2-Year Contract
On Thursday morning the Blackhawks announced the team has agreed on a two-year, two-way contract extension with goaltender Matt Tomkins. The deal runs through the 2020-21 season with a $700,000 AAV at the NHL level. He will remain with the IceHogs.
Tomkins, 25, was originally a seventh round pick (#199) by the Blackhawks in the 2012 NHL Draft. He spent four years at Ohio State before joining the professional ranks.
With Rockford this season, Tomkins is 5-4-0 and leads the team in goals against average (2.45) and save percentage (.916) in nine appearances.
The Blackhawks now have two goaltenders under contract through the 2020-21 season: Tomkin and Collin Delia. Delia’s deal runs through the 2021-22 season and carries a $1M AAV at the NHL level. Kevin Lankinen is a RFA after this season. Both Robin Lehner and Corey Crawford are UFAs after the 2019-20 season.
Ok, great. What about Lehner?? C’mon Blowman, get it done…..
Bowman has to decide if he’s gonna deal Lehner at the deadline to get picks/prospects (which some people want) and then maybe try to sign him once free agency comes around, OR don’t trade him and try for the playoffs, and try to get a deal done at some point (which other people want),
Then there are the scenarios where they don’t try to sign him at all because they don’t want/can’t afford what he’ll demand with his stated no discount policy.
Stan is on the clock (or McDonough and Blunk, or maybe even Rocky). Time will tell.
Tompkins is playing well. Was in the spengler cup. Doesn’t mean the hawks make a move at all in terms of trades.
Goalies in the system
Ivan Nalimov (will he ever sign)
Wouter Peeters (rights expire after this season) they won’t sign him
Alex Gravel (down season a bit, goes back into the draft if not signed) think he will be signed though)
Dominic Basse (playing in nahl then college next year) long term development guy
Good signing, could be a late bloomer. Crawford waited his time to grow and play….this could be the same situation.
Gives 2 callup depth goalies if one of Lehner or Crawford moved and Delia recalked though. Be interesting to see who is in Rfd next season. If Lankinen resigned and Gravel most likely gettingan elc. Gravel had a good summer camp for wjc team and had a good chance of going. Started his Q league season with a few shaky starts abd then out with injury for awhile, took him out of wjc picture. Playing better again since returning from injury in juniors.
Maybe Stan goes with Tomkin and Delia next year opening up money to get Pietrangelo,Krug,and Dadanov.If Seabrook,Shaw,and Dehaan dont come back maybe even a Center or 2.Before the usual suspects go nuts,I want Lehner too but I am greedy.
Tim lets hope not, or be a long year.
@Tim
None of that is even feasible, let alone all of them in a offseason
You never know. He could be the next Warren Skorodenski.
I don’t think any one will sign Lehner for a 6 yr contract, don’t think they will give him 6 mil a yr either. So we trade for picks and prospects and take on expiring contracts. Crow too. Then in the off season we offer Lehner the best contract. If he likes us like he sez he does you tell him to listen to our offer before signing anything. We then offer the same if not better. Thinking teams will be after Holtby.
Let’s say the worse happens and someone out bids us. Let’s see what Pitt does with two RFA in Murray and Jarry, Colum with Korpisalo and Elvis. We can always bid on Hutchinson, Khudobin, Markstrom,Halak,Elliot,Brossoit. On the cheap Dell, Miller Greiss.
Mrfenm92,Why not feasible? They are all available this summer.You dont give Lehner 7 to 8 million so there is most of the Pietrangelo money.You dont sign Crawford there is most of the Krug money.Seabrook and Shaw are not ready physically to play so there is your Dadanov money and finally Dehaan does not come back and there is the money for your 2 Centers.Trade Gus,Smith.and Maata and you have some money for Kubalik.Have a dream with me.Dont tell me you are one of those people who doesn’t play the Powerball because of the odds.
1. Deal Lehner for prospects or the future.
2. Deal Crawford for prospects or the future.
I love Crawford so this does not come as an easy decision. Corey is a top tier goaltender, why not give him a chance to get one more cup and we get something great in return. Lehner has great numbers but no resume in the post season, I think he has played like 10 games???? It’s also not like Lehner is super young he will be 29 in July…..
The big elephant in the room is does anyone think Bowman will acquire the correct personnel….?????
Yea, to me any of 7 caphit, 40 caphit, 50 caphit, 15/6 caphits = one top pair Defensemen. So two of those is two top pair Defensemen.
You also have the 44/65 caphits maybe not on 23man.
We will have the salary cap space to add any top pair Defensemen or Lehner again in summer. Its very possible to get Pie, Krug, and Lehner with trading/ltir those players caphits. Could we get the three of them, prob not. We could very well get two of them though.
I expect us to add one of those top pair Defensemen and keep Lehner which ever way we have to do it.
Teams with poor goaltending go no where. The exception was the Sharks last year.
In the playoffs great to amazing goaltending gets you far in the playoffs. Average goaltending in the playoffs is usually a first round exit if not typically second round.
This is why we need to take advantage of having two top 10 goalies on ufa yrs.
We need to reload. Were not winning in a couple yrs from now with just 27 77 19 88.
Were going to need a good goalie of our own, but in the meantime we should use everything we got to get what we need. In any order.
If we do not maximize what were doing, thats adding what we cant get/donot have the time, through draft. Then we need to do it ufa wise. Its how we got 51 11 81, and thats how we need to add a top pair Defensemen.
Tim I had the same thought. Trade both goalies and see what you can get. Perhaps even by the trade deadline. Would be a BOLD strategy Cotton.
Nalimov hasn’t had great numbers this year, but Sochi is bad and isn’t making the playoffs. Their season ends just after the deadline. Rockford has lost a ton of games since December 20th and has 3 goalies. Could always acquire a body so Rockford still has 2, If they recall 2 of the trio. Lankinen won the world championship for Finland against Canada. So despite not being under contract for next year currently, he does have some pretty significant success in his recent history.
Moving forward you have to wonder if that is a possibility in the off-season. It all but rights off somebody’s time.
@Tim
Simple as this once the offseason starts Seabrook, de Hann and shaw cap hits come back on the books, can’t put them on LTIR until the season starts. Have to be cap compliant by that day. Not over. By the way I do play power ball. But still realistic about it.
Cap wise none of that would work as a whole. Think one of those players and it might work. Still need a goalie though.
Forgot about that dat 1 stuff, but trading 15 6 50 should make enough room.
When can Seattle trade for players. Those shady deals so they cant draft a certain player from whichever team. That is just shady. Thats like NY Yankee over the cap relief. Its ok if we pay lots of extra money to league.
Agree with KNOX on trading both Lehner and Crawford by the deadline. Lehner may be too expensive to sign long-term and may fetch a good prospect/player with more than one year left on their contract. Crawford not getting any younger. Healthy this season (thank goodness) but has had lots of issues in the past few years. Hawks need top six and top nine right shooters and d-man. Also concerned about Bowman’s judgement about acquiring the right players.
Tompkins
Nalimov
Peeters
Gravel
Basse…………. Wow, this once again proves how disconnected and horrbile the scouts are for the Blackhawks. These are some brutal goalie draft picks! None will ever make the NHL. Meanwhile the Pens had Fleury, later drafted Murray and Jarry!
With the emergence of Chandler Stevenson in Vegas as 2nd center for them, Paul Stastny would be available. Under contract for another year he would bridge the gap until the long term answer is found. Vgk have shown interest in Gus and need cap space, maybe a deal could be made there.
Puljujarvi a right handed shooter looking for a team to want him, gives a couple options there. Oilers want a top 6 forward, goalie, eat some salary or take a bad contract a land a young potential defensenan too. Maybe to make it work end up signing Crawford to a minimal caphit on a 35+ bonus deal, (games played, team success type bonuses not on daily caphit), with Delia backup. Could pencil in 7, 44, 65 and see what’s what with ltir. None of us have a clue how that plays out at this point. Move some players like 56, 6, 91, 15, 40 & maybe another forward?,
Could look like
Kubalik Toews Saad, Shaw, Kurashev?
Puljujarvi Stastny Kane
Debrincat Dach Strome
Highmore Kampf Carpenter
Keith Boqvist
Murphy Pickup
Dehaan Seabrook
Koekkoek (Mitchell) (Gilbert)
Crawford Delia doable roster and any ltir that happens is more available room.
Hull if those goalies are as good as some of your other Ahl players, may not be that bad of shape there after all.
Whatever WE think SHOULD happen, Stan will, no doubt, screw thus up! He has some very good assets to leverage against what the Hawks need- strategically!
But Stan has NEVER had a strategy for success- that anyone can identify?! His only strategy is to protect his own ass – at the expense of players and coaches. I can’t imagine w had ate going through that pencil-pushers brain right now??
Lankinen is 0-6-1 in his last 7 games, with a .431 gaa and .873 sv %. A very good depth piece with Tomkins, both no doubt both would benefit from more playing time Rfd., vs a regular Nhl role right now.
LOL Ian. I’m waiting for the James Kneel talks to start again on the board. He’s left-handed. Just what we need.
@Hull65
Fleury was the number 1 pick. Jarry in the second round and Murray a third.
Take a look where the hawks drafted those guys you listed.
Actual players are always better than prospects and picks…..always
Exactly MRFENN92, when will the HAWKS draft a goalie in the 2nd or 3rd round with real potential? They have no idea how to scout a goalie in the first 3 rounds? Bowman had 10 years to draft a goalie for the future. And none of his drafted goalies will make in the NHL. Tomkins? Nalimov? Gravel? Peeters (the most embarassing pick ever)? Basse?
Same for Delia!!!
Who is their goalie scout? Sorry, but it’s embarassing! Bowman’s excuse for Cap issues is a smoke screen. Many teams like the Pens or the Caps or the Bruins finish high in the standings and keep drafting prospects at every position. There was no reason for Bowman to draft Beaudin #27 when he could have use his 2nd first round pick on a strong skilled winger or a goalie, not another small sized dman who will never make the HAWKS and will be traded away. He is no Keith! And why did he draft Vlasic and Mitchell in the 2nd round when again, we have no wingers or a prospect goalie. He drafted JOKU…then selects Mitchell? He drafts Boqvist and then selects Beaudin? Drafts Dach and then drafts another dman Vlasic (slow, slow skating dman cut by USA)?
No vision, no plan, no idea how to build a team which is why he desperately tries to sign free agents, undrafted college players, CHL or Euro players to fill holes to maybe hit a homerun but then promises them outrageous bonuses that make no sense!The list is endless!
Time to move on from Bowman and his pee wee coach. The only reason this team gets points is 19, 88 & 2!
By the way, amazing how Caps can afford Backstrom with all those all stars on their team??? Same with the PENS? The BRUINS?…. They must have accountants not from Notre Dame!
Have fun 88 at the All Star gig!
Ian,A gut feeling has me thinking that your potential lineup for next year is going to be missing a few of those guys.First of all I like your Stastny,Puljujarvi scenario.I would add a big defensive 3rd line center who can skate.As you know I am a Sam Bennett guy and also Lias Andersen from the Rangers.Dadanov would be nice also in case Debrincat does not produce..I dont think Seabrook,Dehaan,Shaw,or Gilbert is in the opening night lineup.I have not seen a lot of Hagel but I would guess he would take Highmore,s spot or one of them would be the extra forward.If Strome rejects the Bridge Contract I could see him being moved.I know Carpenter has a team friendly contract but I am not sold on him and could see competition for those 4th line spots.I would roll dice on a new goalie combo using that money for a Top 4 Defenseman.Would love to see Mitchell paired with Pietrangelo.
I can’t imagine the Hawks trading both goalies at or before the TDL – they will most likely hang around the playoff conversation perhaps even make a push into the wild card by Feb 24 and people are advocating selling off both goalies?
It makes no sense to me – sell one of them but not both – I think they can sign Lehner to a fair contract (he’s only 28 – 7 years younger than Crow) and trade CC
If they can’t sign Lehner to a fair contract then trade him and sign CC but to not have one good goalie on the team is a) to bail on the playoff push (bad message to team and fans) and b) bail on the next few years because you’re not going anywhere without goaltending – so you’d have to acquire and pay another good goalie from outside the organization and why go down that road when you can simply sign one of the two already have
Maybe trading both goalies would make sense if you were literally the worst team in the league but that’s not the case here
True the Hawks should be trying add to some of the good pieces they have here but their goaltending is two of those pieces – you don’t give them both away for uncertain picks and prospects and you’re not going to get a good young NHL roster player for either of them at the TDL – those deals don’t happen because playoff bound teams are maximizing their rosters for the playoffs
Wrap,I agree with your point about sending a bad message but there is no way I would invest in Crawford with his age and recent history.To my eyes there is something wrong with him.He looks lethargic and out of it at times.When he takes shots up high there is a delayed reaction.The other night when he fell behind the net in Toronto at the start of the game it took him forever to get back into the net with little effort by him.It just feels like he is playing the game on egg shells trying to be too careful.Also waving to the Coach to come out of a game is a bit odd when it does not involve an injury.Unfortunately I think Lehner is looking for the Brinks Truck Contract.In separate interviews he has talked about wanting term and money.Bowman is painted into a corner right now unless the team comes out and drops 7 in a row.As far as what you get for either or both I suppose depends on the desperation of who needs them.If they both end up walking at the end of the year for nothing and the Hawks do not make the playoffs,I think Bowman would be dismissed.Just my opinions.
I love people talking about the playoffs on this board. We are at the all star break and we still aren’t in a playoff spot. The following players are on ltir, which are all large pieces(16 million worth). We are also burning 11 million in goal tending. The only other team in the league burning more money in goal tending is Montreal at 11.25 million. Montreal is also on the verge of doing nothing in the playoffs….
Sebarook
Shaw
DeHann
Strome
We need a goal tender for the playoffs????
lol
Who on here thinks gettin our brains beat in by St Louis, Colorado etc, etc in the first round is a good idea…
sell high and buy low, ohh and fire Bowman, lets move on from the Bowman era. Time for some serious changes.
Draft picks are the lifeline of future Hawks teams. At least 90 percent of nhl players were once drafted. The draft picks turn into nhl player’s.
Just my opinion…to say actual players are always always better than prospects and picks does not make any sense at all.
Knox and ORIGINAL agree trading both goalies would be a good idea. Definitely don’t let anyone become a UFA and get absolutely nothing for them Gus included.
Keeping them for a playoff run that could easily come up short or guarantee yourself something in return seems like a no brainer…sell high and buy low….agree!
Hull65. I guess Emery, Raata, and Darling were chumps as backups. Where did poor old Stan get these 3, off the garbage heaps. They stunk it up. And that Crawford guy really sucks. Come one Stan, You suck for not drafting a goalie. Oh wait, maybe the Hawks had some amazing goalies and now Lehner just dropped into their laps with CC. Maybe, just maybe there was not a need to draft one when CC is your goalie winning two Cups (with the help of Darling) and backups like Emery, Raata and Darling. As long as they lehner, they have another starter for 4 years. CC came into the league at 25 which is where Dahlia is now. Maybe, he ends up being a good backup or maybe CC signs a couple of year contract to be a back-up once they win the Cup this year. Get that Hull65. Stan is the Man.
Hull65, stop watching the Hawks. It will give you hours of free time back.
Too many of you watched too much Bozo the Crown as a kid. Has Stan made some mistakes. Yep he did, lots of overpaying (Seabrook/Bickell) and a few misses on some draft picks. Here are some HR’s: Extensions with Toews/Kane. CC was a bargain at $6M. Trading Kubs for a 5th rd pick last year is a steal. Trading Shaw to Montreal to get Dcat. Getting Panarin, Kempny, Gus, TVR, Kahun to sign with the hawks. Trading to get Murphy.
Now, you can blame Stan but who would have thought Hossa, Sharp, oduya, Seabrook, and Nick Hjalmarsson drop off so fast. Hossa injury has set us back 2+ years but now the Hawks are on the way up with solid picks like Boqv and Dach. It would have been amazing to get hughes instead of Boqv but that is how the draft works. The Hawks are so close to make another run at a few more cups as Kane said it would be nice to add a few more. I hope CC resigns (2yrs/3 Mil per) and lehner (5yrs/$6 mil per) does too.
Trade deadline a month from today. I believe contract negotiations with Lehner will be tough unless we want to overpay. The Bobrovsky deal was horrible but will still be used by agents to justify their guy’s “reasonable” demand. The Canucks are negotiating an extension with Markstrom and Lehner’s team probably wants to see that before committing. If we don’t get a deal done there are reports that the Hurricanes are interested in Lehner and I’m sure there will be others so we should be able to get a solid return in a trade. I wouldn’t trade Crawford for two reasons: 1) Playing him the rest of the year will determine if we want him back on a short term deal, and 2) trading both goalies gives a middle finger to the rest of the team that despite your efforts we are giving up for the year in order to get an extra draft pick or two.
Regarding draft picks vs prospects there are various studies on the value of a pick. 80% of 1st round picks become a low level or better player in the league. It drops pretty quickly after the 1st round (44% of 2nd round picks, 30% of 3rd round picks and 10-20% for the last four rounds). So despite the fact that Hull seems to think that every pick should be automatic, after the mid-first round things start to become a bit of a crapshoot so having more picks clearly helps the odds. Personally I would prefer a prospect only because they should be a little easier to project at an older age and should be a year or two closer to actually playing in the NHL.
MS, My thoughts exactly. I hope both sign but know the likelihood is not that good. CC was a great sign, too bad on the concussions. Lets hope Lehner takes similar money. KK and Caggs were solid trades last year and look like they could be key pickups for the playoff run this year.
Montreal GM is picking up lots of draft pick and eventually Montreal is going to hit a home run. Montreals farm system will eventually get really deep, meaning the Canadiens will have many young players that will play in the NHL.
You can use the picks to trade for NHL players as well.
For gods sake don’t trade picks for injury prone players that have had multiple concussions. (Andrew Shaw) just to try to make the playoffs.
Don’t try to hold onto a UFA to try to make the playoffs.
If any UFA is not signed by the trade dead line trade him and pick up some assets.
Eventually Chicago could become talented enough to make the playoffs without letting guys potentially walk for nothing.
Keeping Crawford to the end of the year to see what he plays like???
Crawford has already said that he does not want to be a backup.
Trade Crawford for anything.. Then Sign him if you really think he is going to be needed. Teams will not be lining up to sign Crawford at his age and after all of his injuries.
Shoulda traded Gus already… Nope we need him for a playoff run.
Sign Gus we could use him next year…Nope we can’t afford to pay him.
Just let him walk into free agency and get absolutely nothing for him…Yep our farm system is really deep we will worry about the future later.
You know just when the Dead wings start to pass us in the standings.
At least we did everything to make the playoffs. Wow what an accomplishment!
MS…the voice of reason and sanity.
I would roll dice on a new goalie combo using that money for a Top 4 Defenseman.Would love to see Mitchell paired with Pietrangelo.
Tim, I think we need to do this-one of the top pair Defensemen available.
Ian, has good FW ideas as yours to.
Overall, we need to do this and like Hawks4 said-can Bowman do it. I have to believe that when he has screwed around with things, it was on purpose and he wouldnt do that when trying to get roster top 5/10 worthy again-with young wavers. Otherwise I got big problems with that and Rocky allowing that.
I think the established player is better, when its a positino you need/want and the type of player we Need.
Otherwise yea, depends where we are roster wise. Draft picks are good, 1sts and having more picks to be able to-move up.
Propsects can be really good, like that Regula dude. He becomes good then Buckaroo wont hurt as much, but I would rather have two of those guys then one.
For getting a top pair Defensemen this summer, its ufa and thats what they cost. We wont get another top pair Defensemen any other way.
So ‘lets put some men on the assemble line’.
Stape: The last I checked Montreal is in the other division and who cares unless we get to the play for the Cup.
How did all of those first round draft picks Edmonton had where they draft Hall, RNH, Yakupov all with the first pick Klefborn (19)Nurse (#7), Draisaitl (3), McDavid (1), Pulij (4) and Eberle (22). That is half a team w/o goalies yet only when McDavid came did they see any success. McDavid is unbelievable.
Or AZ, or Boston who in 2015 draft 3 guys in a row in the first round from 13-15 and only DeBrusk has made an impact. The analysts at the draft raved about all 3 they picked. They also had 3 second round picks before the Hawks even made their first pick at #54. Carlo has made a difference. 6 guys in the first 52 picks and they got two really good players. That is the draft we traded the our first round pick for Vermette to win LORD STANLEY for the 3rd time time time time. Spoiled fans.
And this one is for hull65, the goalies on this team were CC (2.27 GAA) , Raanta (1.89 GAA) , and Darling (1.94 GAA). And you want to draft a goalie.
MS/Stape, really good points.
2020, agree theres more to then drafting. Although I though BOS was good again because they got 5 or 6 good players from draft and there core played good. Our core didnt/not blaming that, and we only have 12 so far of our young wave-even though 27 77 are here.
It does make sense to buy low sell high, when you can be/need to be in that mode. We should do that, but I would like to add that top pair Defensemen ufa wise.
I think the anger is not going about it, buy low sell high the past two yrs when we sucked, mode. Now we win in playoffs or we should get in that mode, because we have lots of good players coming, but we need moar.
There was no way to stay deep in prospect depth, when you play in 5 of 7 conference finals and win 3 for 3 Cups. No one can do that. Well Maybe 95 M payroll teams when everyother team is at 25 m.
But we should have started the, Stape, buy low sell high mode right after we traded Hammer and Hoss that was the point we should have started that. Then our young wave would be better.
Still have time to make young wave better, but this is it with as many good ufa players we have.
Hull65
Goalies drafted since SB took over were 219. Now, to be fair, 115 have been drafted since 2015 and only 2 goalies have more than 50+ games since 2015: Carter Hart and macKenzie Blackwood. For some reason, 37 goalies have played 1 game this year. That is wierd. Only 20 Goalies drafted since 2010 have played 100 ore more games.
Frederick Andersen has the distinct pleasure of being drafted twice in 2010 by Carolina (187 pick) and 2012 Anaheim (87 pick). He also leads the Goalies in Games played since 2019 followed by another Anaheim draftee John Gibson.
One of the more interesting ones is Andrei Vasilevskiy who went just after TT in the 2012 first round. This was also the best year for goalies Andersen, Vasil, plus Hellebuyck, Murray, Korpisalo, Ullmark, Drieder, and Subban
There are 10 current starters drafted since Bowman: Vasil, Andersen, Gibson, Blackwood, hart, Binnington, hellenbucyk, Grubauer, Korpisalo, Mrazek. A few good backups Murray and Jack Campbell
The Hawks have drafted 9 Goalies with 1 (simpson) start. Carolina has drafted 10 with 2 starts.
So Hull65, where did Stan Bowman miss again. Not a strong list of starting goalies. And dont give me Binnington because he actually left St Louis for 1 year to play in Boston farm system and came back last year to St louis. Anyone could have had him, Stan missed on that one for sure as he had a 2.05 GAA in Boston, his best season by far.
2020 I was just trying to tell you that I think it is wise accumulating draft picks as opposed to trading them away. Montreal was just one team that is in Chicago’s neighborhood in the standings that is trying to build though accumulating draft picks.
Let me help you remember the importance of drafting high a building through the draft although teams like Edmonton ( bad management) could screw up the lords prayer.
Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith, Saad,Crawford were five Blackhawks draft picks that were instrumental in leading Chicago to win three Stanley Cups.
Please don’t try to tell me that with a lot of high picks and a lot of luck that it is not possible for Stanley Cup dreams to come true.
If teams do not draft well or keep trading their draft picks of course they will not win the cup due to lack of depth. (Chicago now)
Mo, Pietrangelo is 30 yrs old and be looking 6 or 7 year deal for Josi money, 9m caphit likely. Sure you want to get into that type of contract.
Tim those moves could be done at tdl, Puljujarvi season ending, bring him over. Obviously Maatta, Koekkoek be 3rd pair rest of year. Defenseman step right in to top 4 with Stastny also.
I know but whos available this summer and next two summers, that would only be 27, 28, 29. I mean we donot have time to draft a top pair Defensemen. Not anymore.
We can but it will be for down the road, to stay deep.
If we wanted a top pair Defensemen, we wouldnt have Dach. Which to me means Byram aint going to be that good.
I would be good with a high caphit top pair Defensemen like that/other, in the way that its Seabs caphit basically covering it. A younger Seabs is the way I see it.
I normally agree, and I am not totally here, with not paying-overpaying for overpriced ufas. I just do not see any other way to get top pair Defensemen and with 7 not being here much longer and eventually 2 getting older. Until we draft a top high pick Defensemen, I do not see any other way to get one.
Thats the only reason. I would not want to over pay for those crazy FW contarcts we have seen the last 5 yrs. I donot know any other way for a top pair.
I mean we can build the young core, and we need to moar, all we want but at the end of the day we need some-already in there prime yrs or still have some left high end players. Sort of like how we had 51 11 81 others added to the dynasty drafted players. It takes more then just the draft.
And its what were missing going forward. That and the type of FWs you guys have been listing the past few wks. We need both of that and were going to see some serious shit again.
Mo they may not add to D at all. With Mitchell playing top 4 at some point next year along with Boqvist and Murphy that is a top 3 of future. Keith for a couple more years, Koekkoek looking like a potential 4th 5th guy. Dehaan if he can get healthy. Regula be in Rfd, next year with Beaudin and Krys gives potential there. Seem happy with Gilbert as a 6th 7th role type player. No guarantee they won’t go with some combo from them going forward and maybe a tdl add if situation calls for it.
Here are my two D men. Read some place Philly not happy with Gostisbehere. They need some room. So send Gus to them. Don’t think that would be enough. Might need to send someone else or a pick. With the picks we get from Carolina for Lehner. Should be a 1 and 2 maybe 3 also when we add a D to replace Hamilton. Send the picks to Ana. They are trying to get picks for Manson. Will also take Fowler. Gurbanson shouldn’t cost much. Isn’t Gurbanson the one that broke Kanes collar bone? So maybe not. There are my two top 4 D.
That’s my scenario. Anyone else with names.
Makes sense. I just thought, because people here said-we cant win unless we get another top pair player, that we had to get one.
Roman, those are some good ways there.
Want to see us add these FW you guys mentioned past few wks and a Defensemen or two like that. We can be loaded on D and I like Gilbert in that role to.
i am with ian on the DEF front. what would pitts give up if we took schultz or Galchenyuk (love to see play with kane). the same with buf for frolik or begossian. car and tvr.
like i have said before, we r 2 off upgrades away from being back to elite level if the hawks resign lehner and mitchell/boqv become the younger version of keith/seabrook. seabs and keith were drafted 14/52 boqv and mitch were 8/57
dach already blows away tt.
Hawks2020 – Tha Bruins 2015 draft is a great example of the crapshoot for any team in the draft. They had 3 first rounders (picks 13 – 15) and only Debrusk has become a regular player. He is an excellent player but not a star. Some of the players they passed on were Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, Thomas Chabot, Brock Boeser and Sebastian Aho. Can you imagine if they had two of those guys instead of the stiffs they actually picked? Boy their GM and scouting staff should have all been fired (at least according to Hull). Then in the second round they make a great pick in Carlo. He is one of two second rounders (along with Aho) that has become a top player. The vast majority of second round picks (including Graham Knott and the other two Bruin pucks) have never made it to the NHL. So the moral of the story is that it is very hard to predict how 18 year old prospects will develop. More picks is definitely better but don’t pencil in a top 4 defenseman or top 6 forward just because you have an extra mid to late first rounder.
If that the case with BOS picks, then there system is what is good.
SO even though we missed on some, our scouts are good getting Saad Bebrincat in early 2nd picks.
Which we seem to strike gold in 2nd. Mitch Vlassic follow 20 12 footsteps.
MS,
Yep, you want to take it a step further. If the first round, Boston drafted Debrusk with their own #14 pick. They gave up Milan Lucic for the first pick #13.
The other first round pick was because they trade Dougie Hamilton to get #15 pick and two second round picks for which the prospects have not turned out but there is still time. The other second round pick was by trading Johnny Boychuck in which the Bruins got Carlo.
In all they gave up Hamilton, Boychuck and Lucic for Carlo and maybe two of the first or second rounders make it. Not sure I would trade Ham and Boy for Carlo.
It would have been nice to get Pasternak instead of Schmaltzs in the 2014 draft. 2014 Stan missed big time after schmaltz and 2015 is the cost of winning the cup as it is hard to get a good pick @#54, The guy Arizona draft was Nick Merkley who is now with the NJ Devils AHL team.
Looking at right handed shots UFAs I would take a flier on after the season Gagner and Simmonds for less money they are making now. Maybe they sign for 1mil. Nick Shore, Trevor Lewis for a mil. Jesper Fast might cost us a little more.
UFA that will cost us some Toffoli and Pageau.
Have LA pay for half of Brown and or Carter to get us to yr 22. If we can trade for Kapanen, T Johnson, Eberle for longer term.
Miner trades for D Shore, Armia and Nash.
For Seinfeld fans I would get Rickard Rakell!
So for the first time in two yrs, because we were straped by cap-until 81 caphit trade and now other. Bowman got 5 or 6 good ufa players this summer so we could have a full roster for first time in thta two yrs/since 4 81.
I have to think that bowman is ready now, after getting rid of the rift between ORG/GM/COACHES and being in full control, Bowman did the roster adjustments around game 30 last yr-which made the roster way better then before that, last yr. Then the stuff I just mentioned before.
So that leaves us at Bowman making these trades and not as many draft picks to get roster adjusted again this summer, after seeing which guys were good this yr and what guys held up prior-injury wise. To know who to keep and trade and ltir-to-retire.
We should be able to make these trades and gather good prospects=closer to NHL ready then pick a number out a hat draft picks. Get draft picks to but focus on getting what we need-not anything we have to take for our ufa.
Turn then into something-the plaeyrs we need/the type we need.
With the % for draft picks being NHL players. The way we get NHL players from Euro is really good then. Pretty much every guy we got from over there can play.
Keep getting them to.
How about that Kubalik baybaaaay!
The draft used to be 19 yr old back in the day. There was a little more predictably in picking prospects. Once they were drafted they didn’t return to junior hockey. They could go to the Ahl to develop . Another issue when the draft went to 18 was that once a player was drafted and returned to the ohl ( Dale Hunter , Jeff O’Neal, Jeff Carter) they just went through the motions during the regular season in fear of getting hurt. On another note Sabres willing to trade some defencemen for forward help. The two not on the market are Rasmus Dahlin and Joki.
Just read the Sabres post at the Hockey Buzz Site.They are complaining about having too many right handed Defensemen.Maybe a do over on the Joki trade?I think their bigger problem,which they pointed out also,is Skinner,Johansen,Okposo are eating up their Cap and providing nothing.They are going to be sellers at the deadline so that tosses any Bogosian deal out the window.
Could they fall for a Ristolainen for Nylander switch-a-roo!? For the record I do like Nylander. Strome and Sikura for Ristolainen?
J.R,You read my mind.I was just finishing an article on Ristolainen and I thought the same thing,Strome for him heads up.Risto is a +2 this year and is big,right handed,and nasty.
Sure,throw in Sikura too.
They owe us for the Joki trade.
CAR did us good with 44 trade because of the 29/86 trade. That got us good trade relations. Same thing happened with ARI when we did the Rundy trade-we helped them, so we got Vermette and not another top 5 team that deadline. Good trade relations. We sort of did this with MTL as well.
Its BUF and others turn.
Ristolainen is an extreme version of Erik Gustafsson. Sure he’s +2 this year… But was -41 last year and -25 the year prior.
The next worse +/- among Sabres defenseman last year was -13! A 28 goal difference.
He has consistently been one of the worst players in the league when it comes to defensive metrics. Truly boom or bust. He is physical. Sure, but he has a complete lack of defensive awareness or will.
Giving up Strome for Ristolainen would be a win for Buffalo. The Hawks need centers and you’re giving up your second best for a defenseman who can’t defend who makes 5.4m per year.
I’m not opposed to trading Strome. Just not for that return.
Rusty,I know Ristos bad track record and I know there is no way the Hawks are trading D Cats buddy.I just cant see giving Strome 2nd Center money.For what its worth Risto looks very different this year but I get what you’re saying.Its just the thought of Strome drifting up the ice at snail speed for the next 4years leaves me a little queasy.
Strome will likely get a bridge deal. Two years perhaps. Stan can kick the can down the road a bit. By then Dach will be 21 and have three years experience.
As for trades. I doubt Stan deals with teams we are battling for a playoff spot such as Vegas.
But looking at the East : Montreal, Carolina and Tampa all have multiple draft picks in the first three rounds. Also Washington has two 3rd rounders.
I would expect Stan to deal with these teams.
We have made trades with those teams the past couple yrs, so that should continue/make easier knowing what the gm/gm are like. They know ahead of time what each other are like to deal with. Make things easy on that.
If Bowman were to get great offers at the Trade Deadline on both Lehner and Crawford I would suggest he take those offers. If in fact Carolina makes a pitch for Lehner and we get Reimer as part of the return ( to hold the fort for the rest of this year ), I really like Markstrom from Vancouver for next year as a UFA Goalie for the Hawks. You might get him on a similar deal that Varlomov got with the Islanders, 4 years at 5 million per year. This would allow more money to fill out other holes in the lineup. Markstrom, a big goalie with good movement, has looked good whenever I`ve seen him.
I wonder if Detroit would be interested in Strome and Debrincat for Velano, Zadina and their 1st round draft pick in this coming draft. Flame away.
Detroit and Yzerman want the number 1 pick. Period. Not players.
Gosh Duclair is an allstar go figure
Going to laugh my ass off when DET, who will be ahead by 20 games to the closest team at draft, doesnt get the 1st pick.
Watch OTT get the 1st pick, after what they have been through-deserving to beat PIT that yr.
Jim Ross,Very nice Detroit trade.I like it.We grab Quinton Byfield with the pick.I would even throw in Sikura.
Excellent night for Ian Michell for Denver. 1 goal, 1 assist.
Great day for Niklas Nordgren, 1 goal, 3 assists.
I like Quinton Byfield as well. A lot.
Craig,Evan Barratt is putting together a nice year at Penn State.Leading scorer there.
Watched a bit of Barratt tonight. As usual he was hard on the puck, all over the ice. Excellent player. I love that he is a Center.
I am big on Barratt like I was on Mitch. These guys to me are players. And I mean more the NHL ready.
Penn State is the top college OFF team, so a gritty/Bolly kind of player leading team in score, when the team is the top OFF team in contry-like LSU was in football, is a good thing.
Cant wait for Mitch Barratt to be playing. Thats when were looking good again, as 27 77 will be more established and these guys Mitch Barr will be good right off the bat.
I keep envisioning the Hawks missing the playoffs and winning the lottery so they duplicate getting #3 (Toews) in 2006 and #1 (Kane) in 2007 with getting #3 (Dach) in 2019 and #1 (Lafreniere) in 2020.
Now, if they also happen to pick up another 1st round pick via trade – maybe the Hawks get another top-10 pick or even another lottery winner and get a Byfield or Stutzle or Holtz or Rossi.
Sorry, Pens had Fleury and they still drafted goalies. Kings had Quick and they got Campbell! Dukcs and Andersson and they drafted Gibson.
CC came in the league at 25 but he wasn’t a free agent from the ARIZONA league! He was drafted in the 3rd round!10 years of drafting and no goalie prospect is all on Bowman, Kelley and the Sunshine band!
The last 3-4 years, Bowman had ample opportunity to draft a goalie in the 2nd 0r 3rd round but he went for a 19 year old Iacopelli, smallish dman like Chad Krys? Graham Knott? Spending $5million on Lehner who has had one good season in his entire career which was under Barry Trotz, then getting Maatta and De Hann who are on rich contracts is once again bad accounting and a wrong plan. Why not give finnish goalie the backup job at the beginning of the year, save $5million, keep Joku and sign a power forward like the Blues did last year with David Perron who by the way is an All-Star this season. Brett Connolly was available, so was Burakowsky, Donskoi, etc..NHL players! And you can still get Maatta! $11 million on 2 goalies is not a bright idea. Especially, when you have only 19 & 88 carrying the team as always.
And by the way, the late Emery was also a draft pick who took the Senators to the CUP finals and was a legitimate starting goalie in the NHL and then backup even after his career ending injury!
Message for JC? Play Dach at center with Kane and Saad, no more Carpenter!
Once Barrett signs this spring and gets to Rfd next fall, get a better idea where he will fit. Hopefully he makes the jump to Nhl faurly smooth.
Craig that seem more logical for trades, now that playoffs might be possible. Hartman to Preds and Ladd from Jets though are the type of unexpected deals that can happen too.
Lehner has never said in his interviews that he wants a contract that has max term or dollars. Only that he has earned the right to sign a fair contract for his services. Until it is decided what that is, a Markstrom type signing may not be any cheaper and certainly not an upgrade.
Jake Wise = 5’10” , 23 games , 1 goal 5 assists. 3rd round pick. Thx Stan and Mr. Kelley.
Boqvist = Kravtsov, Wahlstrom, Dellandrea, Farabee…all big skilled forwards available before Bowman and Kelley picked a dman.
Beaudin= Joe Veleno available but not for Bowman and Kelley, rather have another smallish dman.
Michal Teply 4g and 5a in 6 games since his impressive wjc showing. 14g and 23a in 35 games this season. A big right shot potential power forward. Be interesting to see if he starts in Rfd next season or goes back to juniors.
Hull65,
We finally agree on something put Saad, Kane and Dach to see if it works. That is if strome is back after the break.
I do have to call you out on a few errors though.
First, Gibson was drafted in 2011 and Andersen was drafted in 2012 by anaheim. They had Jonas Hiller in net when they drafted both. Crawford was just starting to take the reigns. There is more on the 3rd point.
Second, Gibson is signed at $6.4 M and Andersen makes $5 or a mil less than Crawford. Getting Lehner at $5M was huge for those of us wanting to make the playoffs.
Third, the Dallas Stars drafted Jack Campbell so they did not make out very well with Campbell who is 28 and is relegated to a backup of Quick in LA. The stars did have Kari Lehtonen as the starter who was pretty good being that he was the #2 drafted player in 2002. Campbell was #11 in 2010. Just to add fuel to the fire, the Hawks drafted Mac Carruth with the 191 pick in 2010, going 4 slots ahead of him, Frederick Anderson at #187 who like I said in my previous post was drafted a few years later in the 3rd round in 2012.
Do some Homework Hull65.
Hull65 you wrote the following: 19 year old Iacopelli, smallish dman like Chad Krys? Graham Knott?
First Iacopelli is 6’3″ so he was your tall forward. He was drafted #83 in 2014 where only two goalies after this pick have NHL experience which are Kaapo Kahkonen (5 games) and Igor Shesterkin (3 games). Igor looks pretty good. 9 others besides those two draft after Iacopelli where most of them are not in hockey anymore. The hawks did get Ivan Nalimov in the 7th round. Elvis Merzlikins maybe the only good one drafted that year. Outside of Schmaltz, 2014 was a terrible draft for SB. It sucked.
Second Chad Krys, Here is where you finally win one Hull65, take a bow. Carter Hart was take 4 picks after Krys. Wahooooo for Hull65. Adam Werner is the only other Goalie take NHL debut. The other three Goalies taken just after Hart in the 2nd round probably wont make the NHL ever,e even a backup is a longshot. There is still hope for Wouter Peeters, ECHL, to make it as he is only 21. 18 goalies drafted this year.
Lastly, Graham Knott and 2015. The two big names that were drafted before Knott look solid in Ilya Samsonov and Mackenzie Blackwood. Two Goalies drafted after Knott look pretty good as well Adin Hill and Samuel Montembeault. There were 24 Goalies taken, two of them look solid but they were before Knott. We will see about the other 22 as time goes on.
The 2014 and 2015 drafts were awful for the Hawks. Stan and the scouts have to do better. Those two drafts put us where we are today. In fact, after the second round they have really not gotten anyone good outside of Shaw and Vinny. Stan and scouts did hit some HR’s as we all know.
Hull, its cool to have two goalies at 6 and 5 if the idea is to get another top 10 goalie 8? yrs younger for the coming yrs. Especially with Crows health and injury he has had. How do you not, especially after not having one NHL goalie one of the yrs before.
If the idea was to go with two top 10 goalies at 6 and 5 for many yrs coming, yea thats crazy man.
I love Crow, a lot, but hes older enough-that also had those injurys so it makes sense. Thats why I would trade Crow-maybe both goalies, but get return at deadline and sign Crow again in summer or he can go be starter other team his last 5 yrs-up to 40 old.
We want to have a top 10 goalie, so getting Lehner was best move of summer, even though those other guys made the PK top 5 again, and we need that. Though its Lehner that will be here longterm.
I see Lehner as the goalie for the 4th Cup.
Yea, I wouldnt say Teply is a sleeper, only because he was only/of few good player on this yr world juniors wise. Last yr world juniors we had lots and lots of good players at world juniors.
I wouldnt only go by stats for these guys, who were very good at world juniors-against others that are top players, because guys like 20? I forget who, but certain players that were in rockford for lockout in 2012=3 didnt impress stats wise and were/are good players in NHL. So I mean the guys that arnt putting good numbers in ahl doesnt mean they wont be good. Think of that lockout yr on that.
So we have lots and lots of good players coming, possibility, Kurachev Entwhistle Barratt BoQ other-cant rememeber and Teply.
Good memory 2020 on draft info stuff.
Blackhawks have drafted very well in 2nd round with several good players. The % thing is true but we buck the odds for 2nd round gems and just good players.
Mo another big physical right shot winger finding his offense in Rfd., now is Entwistle. Have said before his 2 way, good pk and possible 2nd pp candidate too, combined with decent skating ability can add alot to this roster in a bottom 6 role next season or later this year.
Once again, Veleno has put up only a couple more points than Beaudin…as a forward.
No way Detroit trades a 1st round pick.
Everyone loves Byfield. I like him better than Lafreniere.
Would anyone be interested in a Nolan Patrick trade? He’s underwhelmed to this point in his career and hasn’t played at all this year.
I like Nolan Patrick as well but I think he`s been on IR all season with a Migrain Disorder and is still not cleared to play. This kind of diagnosis and recovery makes a big investment in him very tricky.
Yes Patrick hasn’t played a game with a migraine disorder this year yet and has dealt with concussion issues before too, so could be all related, too much gray area right now to say whether it be a possible deal.or not.
So we, already, have some of the guys coming that we need. I want to get the others now/when we can-do not wait or say ‘you have to keep on finding great gems/deals-players nonstop through draft or else. No just be smart when you do caphit/yrs. Sure you have to cycle through but when we get good players, keep them-donot trade them trying to spin the wheel and play that game.
keep them and your that good for 3-5 yr section.
The writer over at Fanside suggests that the Hawks get Trevor Vanriemsdyk and Frolic at the deadline if they are going for the playoffs.TVR has only played in 31 games this year.Frolic contract is up this year.
Tim i like both players but seriously do you think adding them is a formula for playoff success. Some people would have a field day calling for Bowmans head on that one if he gave up anything for them.
@Hindsight65 – do everyone a favor and take a stroll through “Draft by Team” at the hockeydb.com website. Go back 10 or 15 years and see how Stan and the Hawks’ drafting stacks up against other teams and what you will find is how many “misses” there are by all teams and that Stan isn’t as poor as you make him out to be relative to every other GM.
First things first with the article from blackhawkup… The author calls it AVV. So he either mistyped and doesn’t know how to proofread, or he has no clue what the acronym stands for as it’s AAV… average annual value. Seeing as how he used AVV multiple times I completely discredit every piece of hockey speculation he has to say. Tighten it up!
TVR has played 31 games with 3 assists and is -9. And he says he could be had for a 3rd pick. No shit! The Hurricanes would be elated. But… The Hurricanes have dressed 7 defenseman this year, and Dougie Hamilton is out for a while with a broken leg. So they’d probably want someone back who can help a playoff push and that ain’t a pick. The point of the article was to help the Hawks for a playoff push and trading any of your defenseman probably doesn’t help. Also, I’m not convinced that TVR is better than anyone the Hawks currently ice. Koekkoek has been good.
He talks about Frolik but makes no mention of why. Frolik isn’t a top 6 winger. He isn’t a center. He’s a bottom 6 depth winger. They have enough of those as it is. The production over replacement level (Smith, Highmore, Nylander, Carpenter, Dach, Caggiula) doesn’t warrant a mid round pick investment.
ER DB hockey is a great site for drafts plus u can click on a category to sort it better. the cool one is postions like Goalie to see what round and who has made an impact. That way we can keep Hull65 in check with his emotions with facts.
Rusty,
it is more like carolina should give us picks just to take tvr’s salary off the books so they can get a better DEF person. I could see pitts give up schutlz and/or Galchenyuk plus picks and/or prospects if they want to upgrade for the playoffs. Maybe they would take maatta back.
I don’t see Stan reacquiring TVR. It was Q who really liked his predictable game.
Unless Carolina wants Gus and is willing to move TVR and a one of their 3rd rounders for Gus.
The Hawks do NOT want to lose Gus for nothing. I know that for a fact. At the same time, the injuries to deHaan and Seabrook have put Stan in a bit of a bind.
He can’t trade Gus and leave a hole next to Murphy and on the 2nd power play unit.
Thats the only I though for 57 to come back, was to combine 56 in a trade.
We could add Frozal and trade 15, but why not just let Highmore other do that role and keep/get return for 15.
Hawks 202o, point here is these are drafted goalies who are NHL calibre .I knew there draft history. These goalies are not free agents from the Arizona league, they were high draft picks. What you should be commenting on is why Bowman has failed to draft an NHL goalie during his tenure as a GM? And since Saad, no power forward! No dman since the HAMMER who he did not draft until Joku and now Boqvist. Comment on the Beaudin pick over Veleno? Vlasic? Boqvist over Walhstrom. Farabee etc..?
Very simple excercise; sit down with Bowman and ask him hey Stan, have you ever drafted an NHL goalie that is with the Hawks or playing in the NHL? Have you ever drafted a power forward since Saad that is playing in the NHL? What took you so long to draft a dman like Joku but then trade him? Why did you trade Teuvo and Danualt?
Anyway, lets see what happens in March but I am hoping Lehner gets traded for a prospect or assets. Either DeHann, Murphy or Maatta will need to be traded as well, TOO EXPENSIVE!
Wahlstrom has 12 points in 27 AHL games and is -17 this year. Once again, I’ll take who the Hawks picked.
de Haan may never play again after 2 major shoulder injuries to the same shoulder. Ditto for Seabrook. Until those situations are resolved I don’t think you can trade Murphy, lose or trade Gustafsson, and trade or buyout Maatta.
Only an ignorant bitter person makes a point about the inability to draft a goalie when one wasn’t needed…then propose to trade one of the best goalies in the league who is the heir to the throne just cuz you didn’t think to sign the player. You can’t have a full house and a straight flush in the same hand crazy Rogers. Pick one.
I forget why NAS traded Subbann, but you can see what difference it makes with not having, just one elite player Subbann Pavalski, being top 5 and 10 teams respectfully. Look at those two teams, there are terrible-for how good they really are.
Now think we didnt have 81 and 4. We have been playing without two elite players. Try that. I know NAS raked WAS for Forsberg but those teams do not have two elite players coming-already here/per say in 27 77 like we do.
If you’re complaining about the Boqvist pick you’re lost.
If you’re whining about drafting a goaltender high, you apparently missed the fact that the Hawks had Crawford locked up for a few years – and he won 2 Cups.
Finally, if you’re complaining about the Blackhawks NOT drafting a goaltender…
Ivan Nalimov – 2014
Wouter Peeters – 2016
Alexis Gravel – 2018
Dominic Basse – 2019
Unless the return is crazy good, which it could, were singing Lehner to a ‘fair’ caphit/yrs and trading Crow. Crow can come back and split games with 40-he wants to stay in CHI or be starter for a ‘real’ half-bottom 10 to mid tier team (which is top 15-25 team). Unless were using the whole salary cap, we can have Crow for 2.5m caphit and have two elite goalies or just keep Lehner. Thats Crow choice.
It will be simple in who we keep and trade/ltir and that is based on the injurys. Those things happening make it easy to know what were going to do for roster.
I would trade 56 no matter what and wait on 6 until we know about 44/7. 6 is still young enough that a team will want him for a 4/5 spot. We wont need 6 anymore once 27 and Mitch are established enough.
Lol Why are they buying out Matta!!!! They just gave up a not terrible rookie to get Matta, who had a not trade clause at the time, who has a high salary and high cap hit from a team that was OVER the salary cap. If they do buy him out…wow was a bad trade!!! Pittsburgh should have given the Blackhawks a draft pick just to take him off their hands!
Regarding hull65 talking about drafting goalies thanks to the other poster detailing the lack of drafted goalies over the past decade having any kind of major impact. I for one havent been a critic of goalie drafting due to the years to develop and lack of availability to draft to begin with. It’s been like a needle in a haystack however yes over all drafting has been not great…and in comparison to other teams….well it depends which team either way the Blackhawks drafting had left a lot to be desired. Anywya getting lehner is and was a good move. Given the situation the past two years Crow is and was questionable to even play. I love Crawford dont get me wrong. Nothing wrong with having to good goalies. Some teams have zero. Also where do they put the goalies? They have prospects… I guess….but you can only have so many. Could they do a better job about who? Sure….but where do you play them?
Need we go over some bad draft pick trades….Ladd, Timonen. Either could or should have been had for less, if at all.
Look at the history of the draft. Most players take years to develop if at all. Moreover you can pretty much stop drafting after the third round. If I were a gm I would always try to move my picks fourth round and up for actual players who can contribute even if the player is a fourth line player. That or use them as sweeteners for a better trade.
Bring back TVR??? No thanks. …the player on the ice for all but one goal against in the first round of the playoffs against the Blues in 2016….he almist single handed lost the Blackhawks the series! Seriously go back and look at the series …on the ice for all but one goal in games one through six……wow. not sure about game 7 but whatever dude basically blew the Blackhawks chance. Good riddance.
Will Carolina include a higher draft pick for Blackhawks to take on the deadweight?
Also again the goalie is the most important position and the further a team goes in the playoffs the return in terms of a pick gets lower and lower……
@Hull65
You lose any credibility you had. When you cry about signing Lehner. You also lose credibility when you cry about the selections of Boqvist and Beaudin.
Do yourself and us a favor and just take some time off from hockey.
You should become the hawks GM because obviously your smarter then bowman.
After last year’s debacle in nets, why is the breath of fresh air tandem of Lehner and Crawford even considered a legitimate topic worth debating about, it’s just foolish.
Ian,I dont think it’s a talent debate.I think the reality is that with their Cap situation that beyond this year they cant have 2 Goalies taking up over 11 million in cap space.In retrospect maybe giving Lehner a 4 year contract right away would have been a better move if that option was available. I dont think Crawford was going to be resigned for anything over 3 to 4 million for a couple of years.Now I believe Bowman is backed into a corner.He has to give Lehner a legitimate offer and he can not lose both goalies for nothing.
I’m in favor of re-signing Lehner as long as he will sign for a reasonable AAV. I’m not sure what that reasonable AAV is relative to the Hawks total salary cap plan but Stan should determine what that line is and if he can’t get Lehner to re-sign for that amount – than he should trade him at or before the TDL. First choice is sign him – but if that is not feasible within the planned salary structure – then get something for him rather than get nothing for him when he signs elsewhere next season. That’s counter to trying to make the playoffs this season – but the objective should be to improve the team for next season and beyond.
Hands for a 4th. Kubalik for a 5th.
Thats the way I like it.
Trade 4th and 5th to move up.
Yes yes.
I would say 6m is good. 7m would be fine. 8m would be nah/tuff but we have plenty if we wanted to. So to me 6 or 7 would be fair, and I would be fine with more yrs in he 5-6 range area.
The only credibility Hull ever had was when he liked the Dach pick.
@Tim – I suspect the 1 year deal for Lehner was because that’s what Lehner wanted so he could prove himself worthy of a bigger contract in a year’s time and he was right
It probably fit Stan as well to give them a year to evaluate Lehner which considering his mental health issues were technically only a year behind him at the time of his signing with CHI seems prudent
Tim next year has nothing to do with the fact signing Lehner was a no brainer very good move this summer. If anybody can’t see that for themselves, too bad. Lamareillo wouldn’t give Lehner the term he felt he earned last summer and he took another 1 year deal with a raise and bet on himself again. Crawford could be signed for 1 or 2m caphit and a couple mil in performance bonuses on a 35+ deal if Lehner resigned. I would expect he signs elsewhere though if Lehner resigns.
I guess my question would be,why didn’t Bownan offer Lehner the term and money he was looking for last year?Lehner,s skills have never been in question.He is a couple years past his other problems.Whose choice was it to do the 1 year contract?Would he have signed a 4 year contract for 5.5 to 6 million last summer?On the surface if that is the only contract that Lehner would sign I could see it.In the end it looks like it could cost an extra 1.5 to 2 million a year to sign him this year.
I know these guys will be in first full yr and have one yr experience, with 27 being a whole yr younger then draft class, these guys are going to be good. Were talking three elite players/per say. 27 77 Mitch.
That will make a huge difference, and if we can adjust those other positions with the type of players you guys mentioned past few wks at FW and D.
We, should, be really good. What we thought we would this summer.
I fully expect 27 77, and Mitch to do wht these two did this yr, to start kicking ass. You saw it from Liane and other top notch players once they got a yr or so in.
HULL says Lehner had one good year. NHL career stats: 2.71 GA .918Sv%. Really, just one good year? If they cannot sign him long-term while managing the cap, he can be traded for a decent pick/prospect at the tdl. This $5M signing was one of Bowman’s best.
Tim it is what it is you can’t live in a 20/20 hindsight world on everything just to be negative on it. If he did and Lehner had an off year you’d be all over that too, 20/20 hindsight is just an easy way to be critical and look smart.
I don’t like StanBo and wanted him fired 2 years ago, but signing Lehner for a year was basically like an option and it was a good move. If we want to keep him, then we have to pay market rate and if we can’t afford him and choose to move him we should get a decent return. Nothing wrong with that.
Changing the subject, sounds like Eddie had a rough night but then he always was a wee bit unstable.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-legend-ed-belfour-arrested-in-kentucky-on-charges-of-mischief-intoxication-1.1433951
I will be critical if both Lehner and Crawford walk away for nothing.