Blackhawks Start Fast, Still Lose To Struggling Maple Leafs In OT

Leading up to the start of the Blackhawks hosting the Toronto Maple Leafs at the United Center were, without question, 24 of the more emotional hours in the history of the franchise.

The findings of the internal investigation of sexual assault allegations were released. Stan Bowman and Al MacIsaac were dismissed. The organization apologized. And the organization was fined $2 million by the NHL. And then, less than two hours before puck drop in Chicago, former Blackhawks’ first-round pick Kyle Beach spoke about being “John Doe” in the case.

Fans have conflicting emotions about the Blackhawks right now. As Pat Foley said as he began the television broadcast, it feels trivial but there’s a hockey game to be played. And that’s exactly what the current players (who are healthy) had to do wearing the Blackhawks’ crest on their chest on Wednesday night.

One of the players who was not only on the roster in 2010 but had been out of practice the last couple days because he was in COVID protocol is Jonathan Toews. He was cleared before the game and was able to draw into the lineup. Patrick Kane, Henrik Borgstrom, Riley Stillman and Juhjar Khiara were not able to dress, however.

The Blackhawks came into the game with all of that baggage — and no wins on the season. The Hawks made history in their last game, finishing six complete games (including one overtime) without holding a lead to start a season. Could they buck that trend against a Toronto team that came in losers of four straight?

Chicago got an early power play and HOLD THE PRESSES the Blackhawks took the lead. At 5:44 into the first period, Kirby Dach scored a gorgeous powerplay goal to give the Hawks their first lead of the 2021-22 season.

Seth Jones and Philipp Kurashev picked up the assists on Dach’s third of the season.

Six minutes later, Jones set up Alex DeBrincat and the Blackhawks had a… a… a what? A two-goal lead?

At the end of 20 minutes, the Blackhawks were out-shooting the Leafs 11-10 and had a two-goal lead. Chicago looked noticeably better defensively than they had in the first six games of the season and, most importantly, they finished. Kevin Lankinen was strong in net as well.

Toronto, predictably, pushed back in the second period. And John Tavares scored his second of the season six minutes into the second to cut the lead in half.

The Leafs out-shot the Hawks 10-9 in the second. Lankinen was good again, allowing just the one goal but now the Hawks would have to do something for the first time this season: hold a one-goal lead — or extend it — in a third period.

Philipp Kurashev charged the net and tried to get a shot on net almost three minutes into the third. He didn’t get a clean shot off, but did run over Leafs’ goaltender Jack Campbell. He went to the box for two minutes; just what the Blackhawks needed with a one-goal lead.

The Hawks’ PK unit did strong work and escaped still holding the lead.

As the third period progressed, however, the Hawks started trading chances with the Leafs. The up-and-down game was started to favor Toronto and eventually it paid off. Former Blackhawk David Kampf scored with 7:29 remaining in regulation to tie the game at two.

And, again, the Blackhawks immediately went short-handed. Calvin de Haan went to the box 23 seconds after the Kampf goal, putting the Blackhawks in a tough spot and the Leafs looking to build on their momentum.

Lankinen was under pressure during the PK and immediately after the successful kill but he did the job. MacKenzie Entwistle got a breakaway during the penalty kill but was thwarted by Campbell, who wasn’t being tested much but came up with a few big saves in the first 15 minutes of the third period.

Toronto stayed on the attack but Lankinen and the shot blockers in front of him were good enough to get the team to overtime. After taking a two-goal lead in the first period, the Blackhawks’ offense completely disappeared. The Leafs out-shot the Blackhawks 26-16 in the final 40 minutes of regulation.

So the Blackhawks at least picked up a second point on the season in the game. Could they earn the victory as well?

The answer: no. William Nylander got a breakaway and was able to beat Lankinen with 3:02 left in overtime to get the Leafs their first win in five games. Lankinen played well but the Blackhawks still suffer another loss to start the season.

61 thoughts on “Blackhawks Start Fast, Still Lose To Struggling Maple Leafs In OT

  • October 27, 2021 at 9:28 pm
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    They missed Kane obviously but put in an honest effort – they would have won a game by now if they played this hard from game 1

    Campbell was good so was Lank – Jones Murphy McCabe all with strong games and Dach DCat as well

    The Hawks will be better with Kalynuk and C Jones back – Mitchell and Gus played hard but Mitchell is not there yet and Gus was never there

    Toews unfortunately is a shadow of his former self – hopefully he gets better as the season progresses

    No complaints really – they had their chances to win it but couldn’t finish – Jones with 2 DCat Kurashev Entwistle all missed on grade A chances in the third and OT alone

    At least it was good game to watch – probably the first one I’d say that about

    Maybe they can string together some like performances coming up

    Start Lank next game – Fleury needs to sit for now

  • October 27, 2021 at 9:34 pm
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    2 clubs that are playing poorly for different reasons ! The Leafs have a bunch of show boats that don’t even shave yet and don’t have any idea what Movember is in Canada and the Hawks have the Kyle Beach dilemma to deal with as well as Covid and 6 guys in town from the Hogs ! This is hockey ! I just hope the media tells the story in Chicago of what happened as sometimes in America it appears as “ Fake News “ ! POPS 4

  • October 27, 2021 at 9:49 pm
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    These are 2 teams of mismatched not good enough players that just don’t have any rhythm or push to their respective games. I guess at this point I would be more upset as a Leafs fan because they have 4 ghosts at forwards that are making collectively over 40 Million a year.

  • October 27, 2021 at 9:55 pm
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    The Kyle Beach interview was devastating for the organization. As for the game, Strome was a healthy scratch. Would he have been the answer? Probably not. With Borgstrom out, Strome should have slotted into the lineup. The defense was not that bad. S. Jones had a really strong game maybe the best as a Blackhawk. Murph and McCabe looked like they were starting to understand the other. That’s a good thing. I’m looking forward to Kalynuk, C. Jones, and Stillman all being healthy. Toews had a subpar game. He was under 50% in FO’s. He only had 1 SOG. One. That’s not gonna get it done from a top 6 forward and the Captain. He needs to be better…A LOT better. Dach lit the lamp with his 1 SOG, but he also needs to shoot that puck more. This was a winnable game. They hit the post a few times. Had they lit the lamp instead, it would have been an entirely different game. Yes it’s a loss. Yes, it sucks. Yes Kurashev ran into the goalie. But, as much as I have been on Kurashev’s case, the kid showed he was willing to shoot the puck. Kurashev tied with S. Jones with 5 SOG. Although, he too was abysmal at the FO.
    Bottom line, if Kane and Borgstrom are going to be out of action, Strome has to be in there. Colliton, in my opinion, is the guy who put out less than stellar OT lines. With Stan Bowman gone, it shouldn’t be too long before Collition is shown the door. Let’s see what happens in the next game.

  • October 27, 2021 at 9:56 pm
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    To be fair the Hawks did have better structure to their game and worked much harder. They just can’t play 60 minutes mentally and physically. The Toews situation is very sad. I would shelf him until he is completely healthy. He is floating and providing very little. He is starting to lose the faceoff battles now. On the last Hawks rush up ice in O.T by Hagel Toews could barely make it back to the bench . We just have very few finishers on this roster at this point. It’s going to get worse.

  • October 27, 2021 at 9:59 pm
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    Strome looked good tonight . . . in his suit sitting in the press box. Maybe he could do a conditioning stint in Rockford so he’ll be ready to go as soon as Colliton gets fired.

  • October 27, 2021 at 10:35 pm
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    This was a pretty good effort. Lank should have had the Kampf goal and if his stick had been flat on the ice, Nylander couldn’t have gotten it through the 5 hole in OT. But it was a breakaway. One we can’t complain about because it was 3 on 3 and they happen all the time.

    Jones was really good. So was DCat. A couple inches here and a couple inches there. Oh well.

    The new “over the top” announcer after Hawks’ goals is disgusting. Does that really motivate and excite any fans? If they keep him, I am going to have to mute after goals. Who wants to mute after your team scores a goal at home?

    I was wondering if the fans would be in the mood to do their national anthem thing. I guess they were. If I had been there, I don’t think I would have.

    What happens with Q? If these things are true about him, can he stay in the league?

  • October 27, 2021 at 10:55 pm
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    Just watched the Kyle Beach interview – very courageous he laid it bare and raw

    Honestly I don’t see how Q can keep his job – he knew at the time and he spoke actively against doing anything right away he wrote a positive review of Aldrich and then lied about when he knew to the media this summer

    If Bettman allows him to carry on there is going to be a media firestorm that I’m sure he does not want

    Donald Fehr will hopefully be ousted by his membership- he also knew at the time and did nothing and he’s supposed to represent the players

    I encourage everyone to watch the interview – Kyle Beach is a brave man

  • October 27, 2021 at 11:02 pm
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    I wish Strome could put in an effort like every Hawk did tonight but he doesn’t- not for a full game anyway

    I didn’t miss him

    Kane and Borgstrom can slot back in when they’re out of Covid protocol but not Strome – he can keep watching for now – maybe he’ll get another chance eventually

  • October 27, 2021 at 11:14 pm
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    Wraparound: No idea about Q. No doubt Q is going to try throw StanBo under the bus too. It may be too conflicting to actually figure out what actually was said between Q and StanBo regarding Aldrich. Not a good look for the NHL or from the NHLPA and Fehr. The interview was riveting but Beach was right in that the healing process begins for him now. I’m trying to find out what Kaner said in the interview after the game. I was trying to listen to him but my wife was in my ear at that time and missed the whole thing.

  • October 27, 2021 at 11:20 pm
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    How ironic is it that Nylander got the game winner?? Somebody must have thought he was catching lightning in a bottle by trading for his brother!!! Can’t remember the guy’s name that did that.

  • October 28, 2021 at 1:21 am
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    Didn’t see wit Kampf scored a goal I thought he couldn’t score.

    When did Gistopshosen get back on Blackhawks. I know I was out for a bit this summer.

    Not routing against us but if we’re not going to be top 10 and in it to win it let’s not be TOR or EDM or other and not be build for playoffs. That means let’s get more top 5 draft players when we’re in these off yrs record wise. Lank time to fake an injury we need elites in draft to get back. Lank does too good at times for the better good.

    The other yrs we got top 10 picks we weren’t this far under .500 so that might help us get another top 3 player.

  • October 28, 2021 at 1:30 am
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    Hammer, think 19 88 stood up for Bowman and Issac defended them saying they are good/really good people. They didn’t ‘now what happened just rumors then. We re on Beach’s side for if they knew then they would have wanted to do more then.

    Said they can’t comment for those guys did more then or not. Seems like only some of higher up people actually knew anything of it then.

    19 88 interviews on google of Blackhawks.

  • October 28, 2021 at 1:32 am
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    Hammer, did Kampf score a goal how ironic is that.

  • October 28, 2021 at 1:32 am
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    When an unmovable object meets an irresistible force, the Blackhawks still manage to lose. Clearly something had to give with two winless teams meeting, but predictably the Hawks could not get off the Schneid.

    The more I see Seth Jones the more I like him in a Hawks uniform. He looked really really good tonight.

    It was great seeing Dach and DeBrincat score early, it sucked that they could not build upon that because as bad as the Leafs are playing right now, that team has too much skill to expect to win by only scoring two goals.

    @Wrap, not sure I agree with you on Strome. I do miss him, but mostly his 0.67 ppg scoring avg with the Hawks. Why on earth would any team be interested in trading for Strome if he can’t crack the lineup on a team that hasn’t won this year? What is the going rate for the 15th forward on a winless team? I love effort, but at some point you need to score more points than your opponent. And right now the Hawks are not doing that with Strome on the bench. Maybe the won’t win or score with him in the lineup, I mean, Strome didn’t exactly thrive last season. But damn. At this point Stromes benching seems personal, almost like he ran over Collitons dog or something. I mean, Hardman AND R Johnson in the lineup over Strome with Kane, Khaira and Borgstom on covid protocol? That’s just cold.

  • October 28, 2021 at 2:53 am
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    Most ( 5 of 7) of the games have been decisive losses – outscored 23-9 where a bounce here or there wouldn’t have made a difference. This game was not like that. This game could have ended differently had a bounce here or there gone the Hawks way.

    That’s something to hang our collective hats on – a little light in an otherwise dark and depressing day.

    Hopefully Kane, Borgstrom, and Stillman return soon with Kalynuk and C.Jones close behind. Back to back on the road against teams who haven’t lost a game yet should help to focus our boys. Looking forward to seeing how they play on Friday and Saturday.

  • October 28, 2021 at 7:22 am
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    Wrap I agree with you-hockey talk seems meaningless after watching the video.

  • October 28, 2021 at 8:46 am
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    Mo – it’s good to see you back. Hope all is well.

  • October 28, 2021 at 8:47 am
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    I’m also in the camp of how it was hard to watch the game after watching Kyle Beach’s interview. I was hoping the crowd would stay silent during the Anthem, but that was not to be.

    It seems as if Q knew and should be gone, period! Also disappointing was that the players all seemed to know and none stood up for him. In my eyes I always thought that the 2009-10 team was the best of the bunch that won the Cup, now I see it as tainted in a way that will never go away.

    My gut is also telling me that Rocky knew, would McD not have told him to only see it come out and taint the brand, I hardly think so. The apple (Rocky) didn’t fall far from the tree, imho.

  • October 28, 2021 at 9:32 am
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    Dollar – I think McD would have had to have told Rocky for him to know – unless other evidence comes out I’m inclined to believe that he didn’t know – the report found no evidence he did – maybe McD is protecting him by not telling Schar that he told Rocky but I highly doubt it

    We’ll never know for sure but considering how thorough the report is it seems unlikely to me that Rocky knew

  • October 28, 2021 at 9:41 am
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    Very disappointed in Toews comments praising Bowman and Macaisic. Stating everything good they did for the Hawks, well that all went down the drain when they failed Kyle and betrayed the fans.

  • October 28, 2021 at 10:00 am
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    Under the heading “It seems to me” …

    I remember when the Hawks drafted Beach. He was billed as a power forward, and rightfully so due to his size and the physical game he played. He was known as a kind of loose cannon and the concern was he wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer. I believe he injured a fellow prospect at training camp due to his reckless and uncontrolled play. This isn’t meant as a character assassination because anyone closely following the Hawks back then were well aware of the concerns and the howling of him being a bad draft pick was already being expressed among the Hawk faithful.

    But here’s the thing … it seems to me the Hawks were very focused on Kyle Beach – he was, after all, their 1st round draft pick which carries with it a spotlight that doesn’t turn off. Now, they may have already gotten to the point they knew they made a mistake drafting him, but he was still an asset that needed to be managed to recoup whatever they could from the cost they spent to acquire him (using their coveted 1st round pick). He wasn’t some obscure player who could easily get lost in the crowd. He was a loud mouth bully of a player who called attention to himself with his play on the ice – and I say that not as a negative but as a fact that isn’t always a bad thing to have in a 6’3″ 200lb power forward. He wasn’t a shrinking violet.

    It seems to me something is missing in this story. Even taking into account that Beach may not be the smartest guy around – how does a guy his size and with his personality allow a wimpy video coach to dominate him? The Hawks weren’t going to throw him away – he was their 1st round draft pick who just had a decent season in the WHL. Is it possible he really is that mentally weak?

  • October 28, 2021 at 10:25 am
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    Having a lot of alcohol and possibly something else taken or slipped in.

  • October 28, 2021 at 10:43 am
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    Decent effort with everything going on considered, Entwistle on his pk breakaway chance outskated a pretty fast Nylander up the ice, pretty impressive. The dumbest penalty in sports has to be if you touch somebodys stick and they drop it, it’s an automatic slashing penalty, wish they would revisit that at Gms meetings.

    This team need to bring a level to their game that we have not seen yet on the road trip this weekend. Just fyi if you look at possesion/corsi stats, Toews was head and shoulders above the rest of the team in having competitive shifts last night, in fact Hagel was only one close and they played mostly together. He is doing something right that some eye tests are missing. Agree that intensity was definitely lacking in his game ladt night though.

  • October 28, 2021 at 11:17 am
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    I am giving Tazer loads of time games plenty of it half of 82 games to get back 100%. When I say that I mean game shape and game appearance. He should be just fine as a 2nd center for when he’s 35-40. Have one of the elite draft players be 1st line center and get your Shaw sharp vermette again for 3rd and. Krugs type for the 4th checking line center.

    Thinking big picture here right now you really can’t go by anything because we donot have a full roster.

    Load young wave! And add good players along the way.

  • October 28, 2021 at 11:19 am
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    @Earl, 100% with you. It’s impossible for me to support these guys anymore.

  • October 28, 2021 at 12:37 pm
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    @ebony. It’s a good question and observation. It’s why they call it predatory, physique and size aren’t enough to overpower an authority. It’s why we have seen over the year innocent people plead guilty to murders they didn’t commit, beautiful women bound themselves to pathetic and abusive degenerates . There is more to being a victim than physical size and strength. I prefer to believe him rather that question why he didn’t punch Aldrichs face through the back of his head. I’m not saying your wrong but I do believe there is more to the situation than just physical size. The kid prolly had a healthy dose of insecurity and lack of confidence in himself that allowed someone in a position of power to take advantage.

  • October 28, 2021 at 12:42 pm
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    Ebony: Cannot believe you made a comment like that. Aldrich was in a position of “authority”. Younger players when they came in seen that he was working at that time with the Coach’s. A young perhaps even naive person easily could come to a conclusion that Aldrich could factor in perhaps enhancing a player’s career or putting the brakes on it. It doesn’t matter what a person’s size is, Beach thought his career was possibly on the line with Aldrich threatening him. In life this crap happens all the time whether you’re male/female, big or small, white, black or brown. To come out and question if Beach was mentality weak at that time proves you don’t have a clue. My wife is a Mental Health Therapist who owns her own practice and she sees this kind of behavior every single day.

  • October 28, 2021 at 2:51 pm
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    Thanks Hawk One and Hammer for saying the things I couldn’t find polite words to write today.

    Victim blaming is as bad as the original sin. If you weren’t there, how can you judge? Ignorance is bliss.

    Trust me when I tell you that there are people on this board who have been victims of sexual abuse. My last comment on the topic.

  • October 28, 2021 at 2:52 pm
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    Ian, my eye test with Toews is that he is of no offensive threat with his shot and he does not skate the puck at all. Also he is the 1st waving to get off ice on most of his shifts. I saw a brief glimpse of intensity and purpose to his game in the 3rd period against the Wings but he definitely regressed with his play last night. Just my opinion.

  • October 28, 2021 at 3:12 pm
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    Hammer thanks-you said what some of us were thinking. Ebony badddd timing.

  • October 28, 2021 at 5:38 pm
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    @ebonyraptor, Please be clear, what exactly are you insinuating in your question? You brought it up, you asked the question. What is it exactly that you are implying? Since it “seems to you” that something is missing in the story, would you please be kind enough to state explicitly what it is that is missing?

    So please be clear, what is your implication. It makes no sense to answer your query without knowing what it is you are suggesting.

  • October 28, 2021 at 7:28 pm
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    @Ebonyraptor, why do you suppose the players were using homophobic slurs around him on the ice throughout the playoffs as is alleged, assuming that is true? Because something probably didn’t add up to them as well. This big tough kid was assaulted by the runty Aldridge, no way he lets that happen unless he was ok with it.

    Your question implies something that points back to Beach being to blame for allowing it to happen to him and that is very dangerous turf you are stepping in, I would tread carefully.

    Aldridge preyed on a young person who was afraid of not making it in the NHL and Beach succumbed to that fear. It wasn’t Beachs fault. It’s not more complicated than that. The idea that Beach was “that mentally weak” is frankly offensive and I would rethink that line of questioning. Predators look for weaknesses and exploit them, Aldridge found one in Beach.

    It’s no different that the creepy Hollywood producer telling a young, up and coming actress that if she doesn’t sleep with him he will destroy her career. He doesn’t physically overpower her, he simply puts her in a position where she thinks she has no options and she submits. It’s not the sexual act itself that gives the predator gratification, it’s the moment of submission. It’s no more complicated than that. What is it that makes you think there is something more going on here?

    So now you have a kid who was assaulted and a management group who know he was assaulted and did nothing to prevent or investigate it. You think Coach Q wants the kid who was raped on his roster to remind him that he said, “I don’t have time for this shit, I need to win a Cup?” You think Bowman wants him hanging around ready to explode because the team did not back him? The Hawks Traded away more prominent prospects in trying to win Cups, he was collateral damage in their road to the Cup. You give the Hawks way too much credit in this situation. It isn’t more complicated than that.

  • October 28, 2021 at 8:55 pm
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    Quenville resigns in Florida.

  • October 28, 2021 at 9:48 pm
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    More to come…

  • October 28, 2021 at 9:51 pm
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    You want me to say it – here it is. I’m sick and tired of how our society has fallen under the sway of an ideology that not only condones but encourages personal irresponsibility. Beach was legally an adult and could have and should have had the personal responsibility and integrity to not allow what happened. He was under no physical threat and as an adult he was responsible for his actions. A man being sexually assaulted by another man who can’t physically dominate him and society feels so sorry for the “victim”. There’s no wonder why our country is such a mess in so many ways.

  • October 28, 2021 at 11:26 pm
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    Er, I by and large respect your POV and like your optimistic nature. On this you are dead wrong and need to stop. You clearly have no grasp on authority taking advantage of a youth. Forget the size of the person. How would you feel if this was your daughter or son. Please stop, you are going down a one way street.

  • October 28, 2021 at 11:40 pm
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    ER, you might as well have been a Hawks executive in that now infamous meeting. You would have fit right in.

  • October 29, 2021 at 7:19 am
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    EB this was to address how the organization failed in their responsibilities and make those responsible accountable, when a predatory coach used his position to exploit a young player, Kyle Beach and was enabled to continue his predatory ways elsewhere. The whys any individuals did what they did are not relevant to dealing with this, fact is the organization is completely at fault in how they dealt with it.

  • October 29, 2021 at 7:27 am
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    This was about a power imbalance (certainly not a new phenomenon)-the victim blaming makes my blood boil. Kyle Beach deserves our respect and best wishes.

  • October 29, 2021 at 8:46 am
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    Noonan agree and by no means blaming the victim for anything, just pointing out making the organization and those in it responsible, accountable for what happened Beach, accountable to him and others victimized by Aldrich is what the report did. Power imbalance is part of our society, more of this needs to come forward to prevent this from happening not only just in Nhl or all sports but anywhere in society it can destroy lives.

  • October 29, 2021 at 9:51 am
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    First, I hope the scumbag predator Aldridge burns in hell – I have no sympathy for him – none. He knew what he was doing and put his desires above the decency he should have had for a fellow human being.

    As for Beach and my victim blaming – my position is he had a choice to make and he made it and should bear responsibility for choosing to prostitute his integrity. Unlike a child or a woman who aren’t given a choice because they have no way to stop the predator from abusing them (true victims) – Beach had a choice – he could have stopped Aldridge even if he thought it meant risking his NHL career, not all that different than the starlet who chooses to allow a Hollywood mogul to abuse her to advance her acting career.

    I want to draw a line between a child or a woman who gets raped and couldn’t stop it from happening and the adult that is put into a situation they have the power to control. Life sucks and bad people do bad things and those bad people should be severely punished for what they do, but that doesn’t exonerate the victims from personal responsibility for the choices they make. The only way I can see Beach being a blameless victim is if he is so mentally incompetent that he is in essence a child and I’ve read no evidence to suggest that is the case.

    The Blackhawks made the wrong CHOICE (there’s that word again) to do nothing about exposing Aldridge which allowed Aldridge to hurt other people. They chose their quest for a championship over their integrity. Shameful. I’m in no way trying to exonerate the Blackhawk organization for their role in this.

    But, there is a wide difference between a child raped and a young actress who allows herself to be sexually abused to further her career. There’s a huge difference between a woman raped and Kyle Beach allowing Aldridge to do what he did to further his chances to play in the NHL. In both examples – the predator was wrong for putting the victim in a position to have to make that choice – but the victim who makes the choice to prostitute themselves bears the responsibility for their choice.

  • October 29, 2021 at 10:27 am
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    EB being a victim doesn’t mean a person is innocent and free of bad choices, but your still a victim none the less. In fact feeling pressure to try to live up to that image may do more harm. Neither does lamenting that you can’t cheer for your favourite team or heroes for last decade make you supportive of his cause.

    He ran from to europe for a decade from this issue and himself. His own words he talked to his parents about it once and never again. His statement said his battle is just beginning, how true that is in so many ways. His biggest battle of putting his personal demons to rest and getting comfortable in his own skin again is something he needs to do, a battle some people never win. All the retribution and monetary gains will do nothing towards his happiness without that.

  • October 29, 2021 at 11:10 am
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    EB you sound like Hawks management, totally clueless

  • October 29, 2021 at 11:11 am
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    @ebonyraptor. You fail to see what actually happened. At question isn’t whether or not Beach was physically able to fend off the advances. What is at issue is that Aldrich made Beach feel he had no other choice but to comply. Beach could not make a choice, because in his mind he had no choice, he was being coerced.

    Your use of the term “prostitute” implies that Beach was going to get something for complying with the sexual act. What was Beach getting in return? A prostitute gets renumeration, what did Beach gain by succumbing to the unwanted advance? Aldrich used the threat of ruining his NHL career to coerce him. Not taking something away from a person is not the same thing as receiving renumeration. So your use of the term “prostitute” does not work here. Beach did not gain anything from this exchange, he only didn’t potentially lose something. That is not prostitution.

    The key point here is that when coercion is applied to a person they are incapable of making decisions. Your whole premise is that Beach chose to do this willingly, but he didn’t do it willingly, he was threatened and coerced. Now, you may not agree that Beach should have fallen for that type of coercion. But so what? A predator like Aldrich finds those who do fall for this type of coercion, and unfortunately for Beach he was one of them.

    Not to put too fine a point on this but, it is people with views like yours who makes people like Aldritch able to operate. If less people would be so quick to fall on the personal responsibility argument, predators would not be able to truthfully say, “No one will believe you.” You clearly do not believe that Beach could be assaulted, which is exactly what a predator would say to coerce someone into succumbing. “No one will believe you.” “I will ruin your career.” You don’t believe Beach was assaulted. The players using homophobic taunts in his presence did not believe Beach. The Life coach who told him he brought this upon himself did not believe Beach. Is it any wonder that people like Aldrich are able to successfully operate in this world?

    I really hope you do not choose to share your beliefs that Beach was personally irresponsible in allowing this to happen to him with anyone in your life that may have had this happen to them, male or female. You validate every fear that victims will not be believed. They will never come to you for help if they do find themselves in a similar position and if it does happen, they will more likely believe no one will help them. Good luck, I wish you well and I hope you gain the wisdom to see the folly of your views without having to witness someone close and dear to you experience it themselves.

  • October 29, 2021 at 12:08 pm
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    People with views like mine would have prevented Aldridge from becoming and continuing to be a predator. Aldridge didn’t just wake up one day and decide to be a sexual predator – there is surely a history that would show the guy had problems that shouldn’t be loosed on a civil society. But our society condones and promotes all manner of deviant behavior that is only checked when it has gone far enough to cause harm to others, and sometimes not even then.

    Kyle Beach is a victim – he’s a victim of a society that has been unmoored from the ethical and moral underpinnings requisite of a civil society to remain civil. He is also victim of a weak mind that falls prey to a predator when he absolutely didn’t have to. He valued an NHL career more than his own integrity and the point that so many refuse to hold him accountable for his choice is indicative of the society of which I speak – a society that makes victims of us all at one extent or another. A society that coddles and excuses people by blaming others for their bad choices.

  • October 29, 2021 at 12:20 pm
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    OMG – of course Beach had a choice. He could have chosen to risk his NHL career and keep his integrity. It was wrong he was put in that situation – but he most certainly did have a choice. He chose badly. And now society coddles him and tells him he’s a victim with nary a thought to the choice he made. THAT is the problem I have with this situation.

    I used the example of a woman hoping to break into the movies given a choice to lay down on the “casting couch” and get the part in the movie or not submit to the sexual predator and not get the role. The casting couch culture was well known for decades and no one did anything about it until recently and even then many of the predators have not been held to account. It’s wrong as always has been wrong but heartless/soulless people do bad things and those bad things are either ignored or condoned (tacitly or otherwise). It’s the way things are – BUT – each woman presented with the choice to submit or not CHOOSES what happens next and SHOULD be responsible for that choice.

  • October 29, 2021 at 12:26 pm
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    What ethical and moral underpinnings requisite of a civil society have been unmoored exactly? I really am afraid to ask, but would rather not jump to any conclusions.

  • October 29, 2021 at 1:30 pm
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    EB Aldrich had a choice and the Blackhawks executives had a choice. Who benefitted, Aldrich got his name on cup, and stayed part of the team, celebration and all, then walked away to be a predator again. The Blackhawks got to enjoy the ultimate on ice success and all it brings. Beach even if he made a bad choice, like the actress on the couch, hurt nobody but her/himself, he was victimized, humiliated and spent a decade in hell over in Europe. Its about time the choices that destroy other lives are being held accountable.

  • October 29, 2021 at 1:41 pm
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    Ian, I’m not suggesting the predator and those who condoned or looked the other way should not be held accountable – they absolutely should be – no question.

    But I refuse to believe Beach should be afforded complete immunity for his choice as if he had no choice in the matter. I feel sympathy for the 3-tear old who gets sexually abused because he had no choice in the matter. I feel a lot less sympathy for those who choose to allow themselves to be sexually abused to gain something in return – be it either a role in a movie or a position on a hockey team.

  • October 29, 2021 at 1:51 pm
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    Miro, if you have to ask that question – there is no answer I can give that you would understand or accept. I say that knowing I’m in the minority, that society at large has moved past ethics and morality. All things are allowed for expediency and profit on every social strata. There is still a vestigial impulse to do what’s right in many people but that quickly is ignored by the community unless it serves a purpose purported to be good but is actually unethical and immoral at the root.

  • October 29, 2021 at 2:07 pm
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    I do feel good that almost all have rallied behind this 11 year old event with protest and sadness. Ebony there are shades of gray in everything that happens in life. But the last line in your response to Ian sums up where you draw a line in the sand. I wish you understood that it isn’t the right line. Wrong is wrong, the gray doesn’t matter enough.

  • October 29, 2021 at 2:55 pm
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    @ebony, I have to ask the questions so that I don’t misinterpret what you are saying. I don’t want to be accused of putting words in your mouth that you did not mean. I may not agree with what you are trying to say, but if you can’t articulate your thought, you have no hope of convincing me of your point of view.

    So I ask again:

    What ethical and moral underpinnings requisite of a civil society have been unmoored exactly?

  • October 29, 2021 at 4:31 pm
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    noonan, the line I draw isn’t a gray area – it is the demarcation between right and wrong – between taking responsibility for your actions or not.

    I’ll use a personal example of a true victim and one who isn’t. My wife is dying of metastatic breast cancer. She played no role in getting cancer nor the spread of it through her body. She is the innocent victim of the terrible disease. I have type-2 diabetes that has negatively affected my health in multiple ways. While I was genetically predisposed to become diabetic – it was my lifestyle choices that put me in the position I’m in now. I’m not a victim of the disease – I’m a victim of making bad choices and I alone bear the responsibility for making those choices.

    There’s no gray area there – one person is innocent and bears no responsibility for their predicament and the other is guilty of making bad choices and is now paying the price.

  • October 29, 2021 at 4:52 pm
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    Miro, the internet is not the place for an ideological discussion – it is simply too deep and wide for there to be any fruitful progress toward understanding differing points of view.

    So, I’ll just cite a couple of the more obvious examples of unethical and immoral actions being treated as common place with no sense that something needs to change. Many of these things often receive carte blanche status because “everyone else does it”.

    Politicians lying to their constituents. It’s expected and should there be a politician who claims they don’t lie – they are not only not believed, they are mocked and ridiculed.

    Government budget overrun kickbacks. Greasing palms is a long standing practice that is only ever prosecuted when there is a conflict between two unethical entities to the point that the graft comes to light and the news agencies favor one outcome over the other.

    Cheating on taxes – who hasn’t fudged the numbers a little here and there and if you’re one of the few who has stayed ethically rigid in this area – congratulations for the one.

    On and on the list goes. We are no longer a society that places value on doing what’s right even when no one is looking, at least not consistently.

  • October 29, 2021 at 6:44 pm
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    ebony I don’t see how any of those examples you cite apply to Beach.

  • October 29, 2021 at 6:59 pm
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    Miro, are you implying Beach could not have said no to Aldridge? If you are you’re 100% wrong. Therefore, Beach had a choice between allowing himself to be assaulted for the purpose of keeping his NHL dream alive or stopping Aldridge at the risk of losing his NHL dream. THAT is a choice and he chose (decided) to allow Aldridge to sexually assault him. Now, you can say he was coerced or any other thing but the unchanging FACT is that he could have physically removed himself from the situation and CHOSE not to do so.

    Let me ask you this – if your boss came up to you and said he was going to fire you unless you allowed him to sexually assault you – would you choose to pull down your pants and bend over for him or would you choose to protect your dignity at the cost of losing your job? Serious question – what’s your answer?

  • October 29, 2021 at 9:29 pm
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    ebony, I am not implying that Beach could not have said no. I am flat out stating that Beach thought he had no choice but to comply. That is how coercion works. You get people to do things (i.e make a choice) that they do not want to.

    It doesn’t matter matter whether or not you or I would respond to this threat the same way as Beach or not. We weren’t the ones who were assaulted. A lioness doesn’t attack every gazelle, only the ones that she thinks she can catch. That is how predators work. Hunters only hunt prey they think they can bring down. They don’t try to catch every one.

    Bottom line is that Aldrich caused this. Aldrich preyed on Kyles fears and weakness in order to manipulate Beach to do something against his will. Kyle Beach did not choose this to happen to him. Aldrich manipulated a young man into doing something (yes choosing something) that Beach didn’t want to do. The only immoral act here was done by Aldrich. If you can’t see that for what it is, I can’t help you.

    I cannot stress enough how much I wish I did not engage you in this conversation. The sense of disappointment and despair that your response to this situation triggers in me is overwhelming. Good luck to you, I hope you come to understand what seems obvious to me about this situation. Please do not feel obligated to respond to this post. I thought I wanted to understand your moral issue with Beach, but in retrospect, I do not.

    Finally, I am so sorry to hear about your wife, I lost my older sister to breast cancer and you have my most heartfelt sympathies. I truly hope you both are able to enjoy the rest of your time together. It may be small comfort to know that others have felt what you are feeling now, but know that you are not alone. God speed.

  • October 29, 2021 at 11:38 pm
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    Miro, first – thanks for your kind thoughts regarding my personal situation.

    Yes, coercion, but even with coercion there is the giving away of your free will. There’s a bargain made between the predator and prey. There’s a threat to hurt them in some way unless they comply. I understand what coercion means but I believe it still requires the acquiescence of the victim when the victim is physically able to escape the situation. The coercion may be deviously and incrementally subtle to where it isn’t easily noticed until it’s too late but even then a sentient adult person would willfully cross the line inside their conscience before willfully submitting to the predator. There is an internal Rubicon that has to be crossed before giving yourself over to something you don’t want to do.

    When Aldridge initiated physical contact – right there in that split second Beach knew he shouldn’t allow it to happen but he didn’t. That is the final decision point and he consciously made the decision to allow it to happen. He ignored the little voice in his head telling him to stop it from happening. That is making the decision he should be held to account.

    It’s troubling when moral equivalence and equal sympathy is attributed to a victim of abuse who had no control over being abused (like a 3 year old child) and an adult who was abused because he didn’t have integrity to stop it. It really makes me sick to see a adult man drawing attention to himself for whatever reason he has and the public fawn all over him and crow about the great courage he has … meanwhile how many children are abused and nobody spends more than a few passing moments even thinking about it. Beach will have a statue raised for his courage and the crowds will applaud. Hurray for Beach. And about little Johnny who got raped multiple times by his father – oh year, that’s terrible … moving on.

  • October 30, 2021 at 6:44 am
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    EB sorry to heat about your wife, can relate.
    This report was to determine if Blackhawks actions were wrong at the time, undeniably they were and all the ethical and legal arguments in the world can’t undo that.

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