Blackhawks Trade Artemi Panarin for Brandon Saad
The Blackhawks have brought Brandon Saad back to Chicago in a deal sending Artemi Panarin to Columbus.
The players have matching $6M cap hits. Saad has four years remaining on his deal; Panarin has two. Saad will turn 25 in October.
The Hawks are also sending prospect Tyler Motte (a Michigan alum) to Columbus (sorry Tyler) and will receive goaltender Anton Forsberg in return. Chicago is sending a 6th round pick in 2017 to Columbus and receiving a 5th round pick in 2018.
Forsberg will turn 25 in November and has appeared in 10 NHL games.
Whoah.
I like the move. There was no room for Motte, really, and Panarin has less two-way game. With Hossa gone, this deal makes lots of sense. Still not sure about Connor Murphy and Dauphin, though. What do you make of them, Tab?
Bowman is not messing around.
Woo boy. Kane loses his little brother. Hawks get a better two way player who was on the PK unit. Bowman is not Forman/Paxson.
^^^^^^
he said there would be change
me likey this so far
will miss hammer though
Bowman is not playing games. His aggressiveness from a talent and monetary/cap hit stand point should be commended. Great job aggregately as to both trades.
He still needs to dispose of Kruger’s albatross of a cap hit the next two years, in its entirety. Kero serves the same role for 75% less cap hit.
The Hawks still need a center who can take faceoffs well, kill penalties, etc…
Brian Boyle. Brian Boyle. Brian Boyle
There goes the best line in hockey. Saad won’t be able to replace Panarin’s output but may be a better playoff performer.
P.S. Bowman accolades further, cost certainty as to Saad & Murphy, four and five more years respectively. Age as well, Saad will be 28 when contract expires, Murphy 29.
These are shrewd moves by Bowman.
#pucklogic, now Toews won’t have an excuse. Kane will make anyone better that plays with him!! Will miss Jammer. Bold moves, play-off proven.
Love to have Saad,Forsling,Murphy.
Not happy we lost Pinarin,Hjalmarson,and Motte
Welcome back Brandon Saad. Never should have left, but I am very pleased to see him back. I have no problem with that trade at all. SB needs to get some more forwards with wheels. Hammer gone is terribly sad, and he will be stuck in hockey purgatory. #4 played his ass off for the Hawks. I wish he had gone to a competing team for his sake. Saader back in Chicago is massive. Hawks needed some size up front. Panarin was a great talent and provided some terrific highlights while here, but Saad is a proven gamer and does many things really well. Little Hoss welcome home.
We knew there would be some big changes. Who knows what team we will have at season start??
Lets Go Hawks!
So can Stan keep his job?
If things stay the same….
20-19-14
8-15-88
These moves are to win playoff rounds not 105+ regular season points! Like the moves. Don’t stop now Stan keep them coming. Duchene, Boyle, Skinner, Doan for cheap to replace Hossa’s leadership.
Panarin will be missed but super excited to have Saad back in the mix;
So Panarin for Saad & Anisimov, that works for me!
Yes SSHM, Panarin for Saad and Anisimov I will gladly take too!
Lets Go Hawks!
Bowman is showing his desperation. Really Saad for Pararin as a basically straight up deal. Are you kidding me .93pt/g verses .63pt/g and a late round draft pick swap. Don’t get me wrong, Saad is a fine 2 way player and with the loss of Hoss there is a greater need for that skillset on the Hawks however annual 30 goal scorers do not grow on trees. Does this trade degrade Kane line and improve Toews, absolutely. Now ask yourself who has a higher ceiling Kane or Toews and his bad back. On whose line would you invest more talent and dollars?
The return of Saad is absolutely huge. A premier two-way LW who can skate. Toews should be thanking Bowman profusely right now. The loss of Panarin is well worth it. While a dynamic scorer and one of the most creative offensive forwards in the league, his game doesn’t translate to playoff hockey and Toews has suffered greatly from the lack of a quality LW for two seasons.
I’m devastated by the loss of Hjalmarsson. An absolute warrior and an invaluable member of the Blackhawks for a long time. But when I put away emotion, the trade of a 30 year old high mileage blueliner for two younger and each promising defensemen makes sense. I have to believe the Hawks are now in the market for a grizzled vet to add to the blueline mix.
Plenty to talk about today, wow. I’d love to see them go after methot, from LV. Tough, physical, lockdown defender.
Yes.
Tab- Evidently SB/Hawks agreed with me … Saad > Panarin !!!! You know I wouldn’t let that one go!!!!!
Rufus, your points are very well made but I ask you to consider this. Has Toews reduction in production over the past season and half been due to his line mates for his physical condition? I think both contributed. There was a 6 week period this past season where Toews and the 1st line were producing points and puck position. Toews was skating well and being physical. I would say that the 1st line performed when the Captain was feeling well and skating. Saad will able to lighten the burden on Toews and will improve his line but is that worth a scorer of Panarin’s skill. How much has this trade compromised the 2nd line’s production.
Have to agree with Pucklogic and Rufus moving Panarin was a good move to get Saad who is a playoff perfomer/beast and will help Toews. This is a move for playoffs sake not 30G 70pts regular season records. Panarin is a perimeter player and doesn’t translate well come playoff time.
Panarin versus Saad is a tough call for me. Love both players. Obviously Panarin is better in the regular season. I think the sample size is to small for an opinion on playoff play. It really depends on the type of team that is being played.
Sorry Bowman ass kissers but the D man trade should have been a young d-man for Seabrook 2 years ago. The Hawks now have 1 legitimate top 4 D man.
Trying to be objective, just from a talent standpoint, the Hawks lost both trades. Both trades were made under the theory that it is better to trade a player sooner rather than later if you may lose the player later to FA. This is the hard lesson Bowman learned by foolishly giving Seabrook that ridiculous extension based on past performance.
And because this team is forever up against the cap that extension played a significant part in today’s events.
As much as I hate to see Panarin and his wicked one-timer go, I like this trade. Saad isn’t going to match Panarin’s scoring numbers, but he is a better 2-way player and putting him on Toews’ LW should improve Toews overall play including Toews’ scoring numbers – so better defensively and not as much of a scoring dip as the difference between Panarin’s and Saad’s numbers would indicate.
Motte? who cares. Forsberg? Maybe something there … we’ll see.
The Hawks are lacking elite offensively skilled players. Panarin was one of those players. Saad is a good two way player but lacks the offensive skill of Panarin. He will not match Panarin’s output. Very poor trade.
Also, another point. You can’t just compare Panarin vs. Saad on their individual production. Panarin made Kane a much more dangerous scoring threat than he ever was before. That also needs to be taken into consideration. I have to think that Bowman is thinking that DeBrincat can replace Panarin on that second line.
And I say all this as a big fan of Saad.
Love getting saad back also bringing in a goalie with size and backup potential. It sucks losing panarin fun player to watch. Motte will be nice lower line winger but we have younger guys who can do the same. Very interesting day so far, wonder if there.s anything else in the works.
It’s crazy that the Hawks got a lot younger with all the moves they made. I forget that Saad is only 24 years old. Seems like he has been around forever. With Hoss out, getting a guy who can play both ends of the ice has to make the Hawks better. Tough power forward who can skate, what’s not to love?
Hate losing Hammer, I felt he was the most consistent defenseman the Hawks had in their own end last year. But at 30, I think this move falls into the “it’s better to trade a guy a year too soon, than a year too late…” Have no idea what Murphy is going to bring to the table, but I hope that his youth will translate into speed on the ice.
Really going to miss Panarin and Kane on the ice together. When they had space to work they looked like the hockey version of the Globetrotters. It was like they were toying with the opposition. Alas, if that could have translated to playoff success, we might not be here right now…
Rufus you deserve the full credit for Saader type player was most important. You said it first.
I said trade 72, 15 and 7 if that’s what it takes to get roster to what we need going forward and this new NHL playoff officiating style of tackle and go fast.
So it was 72 and 4. Yaugh as much as I love Bread Man, Hammer is tough.
Nobody wanted that trade but we kind of had no choice, everyone loves the bread man, this what we needed to do to make team better.
Bowmans and crew plan is not fully known yet. Sept./Oct. we will know.
I mentioned after not playing/show up, Bowman was going to be bold and do whatever it takes.
Yet another good, strong move by SB!
Let’s wait and see who the Hawks have/don’t have once the smoke clears. I don’t believe Bowman is done with lineup changes. Considering past season playoff debacle some large changes were going to happen. Yes the hard cap really sucks, and winning 3 Cups makes it even harder. Makes solid drafting even more important.
Lets Go Hawks!
With all due respect to Artemi Panarin, Brandon Saad is a better and more valuable hockey player for the Chicago Blackhawks 100 days out of 100. If you are into regular season wonderment, then keep tabs on Panarin. But if you are into two way hockey and having a dynamic threat come the crunch time of playoff hockey, well then your answer is easy on which player is preferred.
The addition of Saad is huge. Absolutely huge. I wish Panarin well in Columbus. Given who should be his linemates I’d expect him to put up some monster regular season numbers.
72 is better offensive player… Makes Kane even more dangerous…
But Saad- Makes the 1st line ( Toews line) much better — Both D -wise as a real Top Shut down line… and adds Offensive/Puck possession skills to the 19’s line…
so- overall gives Q/Hawks more flexibility/options and different Dynamics on Both sides of Puck…
I guess we will see if Toews is OK… or truly falling off of a cliff when he is back with 20… ( of course 81 will not be there… so will we hear 19 bitch about needing a stud LW and HOF RW- to be effective… I fricking hope not!!! But NO MORE excuses 19… and eat some fricking animal protien.
end of day – Hawks younger, faster, and bigger w/ Backup goalie…. I love it.
Move Kruger… and still have money for a BIG name… E. Kane???
I like both moves. Love Hammer and hate to lose him, but his body has taken a beating the past 7 years. Love the Bread Man….but is he the same stud without Kane?? That is TBD for sure.
Saad and Murphy will make the Hawks tougher to play against. And Forsberg for Motte was a must move. Forsberg may not end up on the roster…..but Glass surely will not either. And the Rock needs goaltending BADLY.
Two years from now, Panarin and Hammer are looking for new contracts while the Hawks will have Murphy and Saad longer at what may prove to be bargain Cap hits…..At least I hope.
Kane can be productive with just about anyone!!!
especially if Q can deploy 88 the way he wants… Saad – opens that up for Q in many ways
1961 – we generally are on the same page, respect your input. That being said, in this instance, the yrs/terms of the contracts were critical in Bowman’s thought process and application thereof. Bowman is doing the best he can under the circumstances, which will involves are hard salary cap the Hawks’ ownership was adamant on (see Dollar Bill).
Hjalmmerson has a lot of rugged miles on him, Murphy doesn’t. Saad is a power forward, those are a rare commodity; Panarin stated after the playoffs he was tired, yet went to play in the World Championships immediately thereafter. He is a fine player, but will command a lot more money in two years.
Under the circumstances, Bowman did a solid job here, and let’s hope Kruger is the next to go ASAP.
Probably wishful thinking here, but are the Hawks still on the hook for Panarin’s bonus payments (and cap hit), or do they go to Columbus with him?
Panarin and Saad are different players. If Hossa isnt missing the season I doubt this deal is made.
I wonder if you could package Hossa, Anisimov, and other prospects…even Debrincat for a team that needs to meet the floor but has a center that can win draws….
Seabrook to Nucks for their 1st pick… Hawks Pick Mittlestadt or Necas
make it happen Stan!!!
Oshie??
or
E kane???
this is way better than PO’s versus Preds!!!
These trades, the Hossa LTIR and getting rid of Kruger (a must) gives you about $7 mil for 3 players per cap friendly.
One key to this SB strategy is Schmaltz, Hartman, DeBrincat = only 2.6 mil. of cap cost. If they get 55-60 goals between them the Hawks will be ok. Because between Panarin & Hossa, 60 goals have left the building.
My preference would be to go all in, jettison Anisimov and get Duchene at any cost sacrificing any number of picks and throw-ins it takes.
Any remainder of cap savings need to be used sometime after the start of the season to pry a #4 defenseman from somebody.
No, Wall. Evander Kane is NOT needed! We don’t need a head case
Vegas just stole 6 2nd pair defenseman in the expansion draft.
On paper it looks like alot to give up but does address some needs and adds nothing to cap hit. Probably still have to move Kruger if they have to be down to 75m counting Hossa’s hit to start season and maybe shrink the roster for 1st day of the season also to get there so he can be placed on ltir unless the ruling is different than what Bowman thought.
Holy crap-was wrong on the Breadman trade, but like Sadd a lot. Can Murphy and Raddysh replace 4?
This paves the way for Debrincat to play top 6 sooner than later. Someone will need to score with Hossa, Panarin and less production from 88. (Of course they didn’t score in the playoffs anyways.)
One thing I’m trilled about is they are harder to play against and hope that Hartman continues his progress.
One thing does now is the only 7 figure contract to deal with in the next 4yrs. Is Paniks. How do you say no more cap crunch.
The overages apply to the Hawks. As it was because the Hawks didnt have the cap space last season to allow for the bonuses
Now lets gey frolik back! !!!
Love the aggressiveness to pull the trigger on these moves. Our playoff exits the last two years made it clear we needed a bit more size and toughness. Panarin is an amazing talent but I agree with RTF this isn’t even close regarding who I would rather have. Hammer will go down as a legendary Hawk but if you are being honest with yourself you have to admit that last year wasn’t his finest. He has a lot of miles on the 30 year old body so I will take my chances with Murphy who has played with the bad news bears the last few years. If Murphy can be a solid defensive d-man we end up as big winners with the age and extra contract years. Gotta believe there are more moves coming.
According to Hockeyfeed da Hawks looking at Oshie.
@tab, nice summary. With time to digest, thoughts on all the moves this far and where that leaves us against the cap?
By just moving Kruger and tweaking the rosters low salary players around Blackhawks could end up with between 4 and 5M relief room available on oct. 5th
Oshie signed 6m for 8 yrs.
Oshie signed w/ Washington.
Cap figure is essentially the same after the moves. Slightly less right now. BUt the Hawks have to sign Forsberg. So it’s a;most exactly the same.
Would be lovely to trade the Hossa contract to a team trying to get to the floor….Carolina could be that team once again.
Wonder if you could pull off a three way trade where one team gets Anisimov. Colorado would get Hossa and prospects from the Hawks and other the team. and Hawks get Duchene.
Anyone who thinks we have bad long-term contracts how would you like Oshie for 8 years!
Ernie – I’m with you on Duchene but it appears Colorado wants a top 4 d-man in the package and we don’t have that piece. Seems like the Islanders are likely since they can give up Hamonic.
Saad gives us net front presence. I just can’t figure out why Torts hated Saad so much.
I think Torts is the coach that wants you to gove 100% all the time. If he thinks your not hes gonna be disappointed.
With that said, Panarin with Torts could be a terrible fit.
Stars owner seems like a good guy…but dude…if you have 3 buttons on your jacket…with a belly like that please dont only use the top button.
Stan’s holding true to his words. Big moves. I’ll miss Hammer (a lot!) and Panarin, but I don’t know that I can really argue against either move right now. It’s still not over.
No Hossa, no Hjarlmarsson, no Panarin next year …. gonna seem a little weird, but nothing that some good hockey can’t put a good light on.
Iceman- No doubt the Panarin trade was motivated by the cap bind Stan worked himself into. That being said, here is my problem with the trade. The Hawks championship window of opportunity is closing. My guess is about two more years and we will not be a realistic threat to win the Cup. Toews and Kane and Keith are generational talents and the Hawks will not be the same when their skills diminish with age. Panarin’s elite offensive skills on the Hawks roster in the next two years gave them a better chance of winning the Cup one more time than the addition of Saad would. Plus Murphy is not and probably will never be as good a defenseman as Nick H. I hope I am wrong but the Hawks look like a weaker team to me both offensively and defensively as a result of the trades. The one ray of hope is the potential development of Schmaltz, DeBrincat and Fortin. I just hope Stan doesn’t start adding 30+ over the hill players. If he does, you know Q will play them which will give the youngsters less of an opportunity to develop.
1961 – understood.
Agree re: Q. This is on Bowman — don’t tempt him w/ the likes of Tootoo on the roster. There are enough young forwards that can slot in and play. I am in the minority maintaining Debrincat will make the team, he is NHL ready.
Hopefully Samuelsson will assist in the development and confidence of the young D-men. This will be critical, as Q has the patience of a 2 yr old who lost his favorite toy when it comes to things like this.
im fine with the move. panarin did nothing in the playoffs against nashville. if the teravainen trade hadnt happened i would actually be excited about next season. Stan get TT back. admit the mistake and move on.
No offense Pete but did I miss something…..?
What did TT do last year…?
I don’t recall seeing him in the top 10 of any of the meaningful stats…
JMHO & yes, he was fun to watch as he dangled & cut & juked, & then lost the puck….
He was all flash & dash (fine for no check leagues) but hit him & his arms shrunk drastically…
I’ll take Saad over Panarin any day. Saad is a much more complete player.
All goals are not created equal. It would be interesting to research the type of goals each scored – GWG, game tying goal etc…
Gonna miss #4 for sure, but he’s a high mileage/hard mileage d-man. I think his better days are behind him. I always like Murphy & think we will come to love his game.
The biggest loss is Hossa, although Saad makes up for some of that….
I don’t think SB is done by a long shot.
It’s going to be an interesting summer…
Pete- The entire team did nothing against Nashville in the playoffs. How can you criticize Panarin’s playoff results when the whole team stunk?
Zamboni, need tell it how it is posts like that because, nobody here, some people are not seeing the light of being a better team now and especially going forward/coming years.
One of my fondest moments of the ’15 cup final was one of the commercial break clips featuring Saad manhandling Hedman all the way down the ice and laughing at him. Boy oh boy does a physical presence mean a lot in those situations, and Panarin obviously brings nothing to the table in that regard, not that he’s expected to. Breakaway speed has also been lacking, Saad>Panarin there too. Panarin is a gifted scorer and a good hockey player, it hurts to lose him but I’ll take the trade in this case. Tough to believe the Hawks actually got younger with this trade, although Saad’s got a lot tougher miles on him and what he does has a shorter shelf life.
Crushed to see a great champion like 4 leave, but he seemed to really have a tough time in the abbreviated post season, not that any Hawks were too impressive then. As far as one of the big 3 D men to go, I think it was the right hockey move, not just the only possible move to get younger. Seabrook gets very little love on this blog but at least he put a body on someone in that miserable series and put some shots on goal. I’m not sure if people hate his game or his contract more, I think he’s still a cornerstone leader and player. All that said, 4 is a smart positional player and a warrior, holy cow did he put his body on the line for this team. I hope he can figure out how to stop pucks with a body part other than his kneecaps as he enters the latter stage of his career.
Have been critical of SB over the years but not with these two trades. Love Panarin, but I’ll take a great two-way player like Saad. He is bigger and more physical, which the Hawks are in short supply of. Don’t forget when the Hawks were short-handed in the 2015 series against Anaheim. Brandon looked like he was shot out of a cannon when he accelerated up the right side, flying by Duck’s players, and scoring on Anderson.
The Hawks desperately needed a young goalie. Hopefully, Forsling will work out.
Trading Niklas made sense as well. They improve their contract position while getting younger and more physical with Murphy, and on the badly needed right side (Maybe Dauphin turns into something). Hey Q, want to be back in the Cup hunt in a couple of years? Start playing your good young defensemen. Not Rozival! Don’t bring back old men like Oduya.