Blackhawks Trade Brandon Hagel To Tampa Bay
The first big move from new GM Kyle Davidson wasn’t trading his veteran netminder or one of his veteran defensemen. It’s trading a player who has become incredibly popular with the fans: Brandon Hagel.
The Blackhawks have traded Hagel to the Tampa Bay Lightning with their fourth-round picks in 2022 and 2024 for forwards Boris Katchouk and Taylor Raddysh and Tampa’s first-round picks in 2023 and 2024.
Katchouk, who turns 24 on June 18, was Tampa’s second-round pick (No. 44 overall) in the 2016 NHL Draft. He has two goals and four assists in 38 games with the Lightning this season. He’s listed at 6-2 and 204 pounds and shoots left-handed. He has two years remaining on his contract after this season with a $758,333 AAV.
Raddysh, 24, was also a second-round pick by Tampa in 2016 (No. 58 overall). He has five goals and seven assists in 53 games with the Bolts this season. He’s listed at 6-3 and 200 pounds and is a right-handed shot. Like Katchouk, he has two more years after this on his contract with the same $758,333 AAV.
Raddysh was a teammate of Alex DeBrincat and Dylan Strome with the Erie Otters and had a 109-point season (42 goals, 67 assists in 58 games) with them as teammates five years ago.
Boris Katchouk, acquired by CHI, has been a decent defensive depth player in a limited role this season, struggling to put the puck in the net. #Blackhawks pic.twitter.com/J5kn6oWzel
— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) March 18, 2022
Hagel, 23, has two more years on his contract with a $1.5M AAV.
Hagel is having himself a year… https://t.co/qX4l4jBrCl pic.twitter.com/9Kqp8qF3Hu
— Evolving-Hockey (@EvolvingHockey) March 18, 2022
For this to be the first big deal Davidson makes is significant. He told us he was going to create a team that had a specific direction, so moving an affordable, young forward with term means he’s going hard on the rebuild approach and not necessarily trying to make this a two-year fix.
Brandon Hagel, acquired by TB, is a playmaking middle-six forward who loves to attack off the rush. Draws lots of penalties as well. #GoBolts pic.twitter.com/MNpeHlP5Ts
— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) March 18, 2022
STUPID! Don’t care where he was drafted. He’s plays like a lottery pick. Better than anything they can get back. 23 years old yet! So that’s how you get better, by trading your best young player for a lot of what? Hope to be’s. None will be as good as Brandon. You can book it!
If it’s multiple 1st,s remember that they are the Bolts picks which means # 30 or so each pick. I do agree with the trade though. Hopefully it’s just the beginning.
TimW exactly, where the Blackhawks will make those 2 first round picks are very possibly what woulda been 2nd round picks until a couple of years ago in reality. Hagel a tough loss but time will tell whether it was the right move.
Saw the haul. 2 garbage players off their current roster and 2 first rounders in 23 and 24. Big shit. They’ll be at the end of the first round. I can guarantee none of you heard of the 2 garbage players. Pathetic!
If this is the direction, the Blackhawk’s had better beef up their scouting ranks. Picks are only as good as the people assessing the talent and landing on the right talent. We don’t have a great track record here. Time will tell. The Cat or Kane could be next as this will force all the other contenders to push their chips into the middle.
First round picks and a couple of dogs. This is going to be a long rebuild.
1st winner from tis trade…
Hagel
2nd– Tampa
3rd– Blackhawks — of course hawks are losers/with or without Hagel is the reality
couple of things here– hurts to see my favorite Hawk go… But Hawks aren’t gonna be good – before Hagel’s prime passes by.
2023 is gonna be a real strong draft year… hopefully that means deep draft class as well
I see both the 24 year old kids Hawks added have size… and can put the puck in net at better clip then say– Carpenter… so that’s a positive…
REAL QUESTION– where will BOLTS finish in 23 and 24 – for those 1st round picks? AND how good/lucky will the Hawks be to make use of those picks???
Ian– perhaps- you can give breakdown of Bolts/ Cap concerns in 23/24 years— which might lead to the Hawks getting some Mid 1st or better picks – should Bolts run into the Cap hell that Hawks eventually ran into?? One can only Hope.
I not very familiar with either TBL player but they’re young and big and obviously in Tampa not playing 2nd line like Hagel is in CHI or sometimes 1st line with Kane
Hagel will be 3rd line likely in Tampa so things could be different for him there – is he really a top 6 on a Cul contender or just on a crap team like the Hawks
The first rounders are next year and the year after – I expect this is Tampa’s last big kick at the can – those draft picks should look a lot better than #30 or so by 2023 and 2024
Time will tell but it’s major haul for Hagel even though I hate to lose him
Good trade. Two 6 footers plus two #1s. You can trade two 30th pick #1s for a top 10 or top 5 #1.
So we know the Hawks are going to be bad the next 2 or 3 so you gotta pay Hagel in year 3. Why have him when we are bad.
Good move.
@bluto forget the TB picks, those will be late first round. This immediately makes the Hawks worse, we are going for the #1 in 2023 cause we are going to suck.
Might as well turn the whole cart over now and take offers for everyone. If the dead weight is still here after Monday then Davidson needs to go. Not the start I was hoping for.
Greyhawk- as I recall
I remember Taylor Raddysh very well actually.
When I was following Hawks Pick— DeBrincat,,, Noticed his names/points in Boxscores.
Raddysh put up some very solid numbers at Erie
was impressed w/ stats and mad when Bolts drafted him.
Hoping Hawks can steal some Coaches/Scouts from the Bolts– who have done a great job over the last several years with their Drafting and development of young talent Kucherov and Point to name 2 guys- that are ELITE – non 1st round players
This is awful…two more third and fourth liners…and we already have about 10 on the roster. Just a salary dump by TB to offset the salary. First we take that piece of crap Johnson from them and now this…the gift that just keeps on giving.
The picks will be late and a crap shoot
All that for a 23 year old hard working, character guy who looks like 25-30 goal scorer every year and plays a style built for playoffs. We are becoming the next Arizona Coyotes
Not shocked there is a lot of whining here. But you wanted to see what JD was going to do, and I don’t believe you can look at this as a band aide approach. And that makes me happy. Very happy.
You gotta give to get. We don’t have much to give but need a lot of get. Hagel fits that approach.
I can deal with a crap team for a few years as long as we are accumulating talented kids. No more band aides.
Time to ask Kane and Toews how they view their futures here, or at least at entry draft time. MAF – how you like the Hawks now?
This is how trading works. No PS4 or PS3.
Bluto the Bolts are over cap ceiling for next year, but Seabrooks ltir gives them about 6.5m, with Palat, the biggest signing. Rutta who may be expendable with Foote now and backup Eliot, Matheiu an rfa as well. So those 3 likely on need minimum salaries.
In 2024 looks like right now about 28 or 20m with Seabrooks ltir to fill a lot of spots. Mostly rfas, Sergachev, Cernak, Foote, Cirelli, Ross. Ufas Killorn, Bellmaire. Plus Corey Perry and backup goalie. So actually looks pretty good for them maintaining a top contender status.
This is actually a better start than I hoped for – 2 first rounders is the way to rebuild
For as much as we love Hagel he is likely a 3rd liner on a Cup contender like Yanni Gourde was
In addition to 2 firsts KD gets 2 NHL ready big wingers
This is so much better than trying to be better right away
Love that Davidson – smart enough to target 2023 draft and beyond
Now get rid of MAF or someone else that nets The Hawks a THIRD 1st round pick in 2023…
Get rid Of That Shit ass Contract $eth Jones— Davidson should explore dealing Jones and eating 50% of his cap for next 3-4 years… to make it a good deal for solid PO team this year that is short on Cap
and and more 1st/2nd picks for 23/24
Hawks gonna suck as Hard as they can next year… which should lead to 2023 LOTTO baby in a real awesome 2023 Draft class!!!
Taylor Raddysh is Debrincat s and Stromes old linemate. Looks like Davidson is getting their line back together. At least Raddysh isn’t a midget. We will see. Looks like Strome is staying.
Lol….lol….lol….what does this tell any kid coming into this organization ?? We don’t care how good you are, you’re just a commodity, who cares if you’re a fan favorite….buh bye…..all of this reminds me of the Roenick and Chelios trades….looks like Dollar Bill Wirtz is back making GM moves…..wow….they sure know how to piss off the fan base….good job dbags.
Ian- I did glance at Bolts next year… Money looks OK… BUT – alot of their studs will be at that age of past prime — coupled with more Likely hood of injuries… with ALL of the extra PO games over these last few years…
There is a good chance that the Bolts could slide into Middle third in 23/24 drafts… at least I can hope
Bolts did much better job managing $$/cap over BLOWMAN – for sure
as well as landing DIAMONDS in 2nd/3rd — Kucherov/Point
This is how you rebuild. Picks and prospects. It would be great to get another 2023 first rounder to give them three in a projected deep draft.
SS pretty much agree, said other day the top 9 is where things need blown up. Could see now that Kane has passed Hull and Toews will get his 1000th game at the end of the month, they don’t have alot more to accomplish, they are ready to move on. Raddysh and Katchouk are a couple of big Nhl ready bodies under cheap control for a couple of years and rfas at that point if they work out. Hope if Kubalik goes to Ducks that Colangelo comes back, a big winger who Craig I think said the Blackhawks were interested in at draft a couple of years ago. Could be a nice add to a revamped forward core.
I have no problem with a rebuild but what they are getting has very little chance of panning out to anything decent and they are giving away a somewhat proven Player who looks like they could be a solid second line player for 7 years…if Hagel is not part of the rebuild, as some here suggest, that is a really, really long rebuild
Raddysh and Katchoek are the same player as Lafferty, Entwhistle, Borgstrom, Kubalik, Kurashev, etc…mucking 4th liners
And we have the albatross contract of Jones for 8 years…lovely…not KDs fault of course..:what a colossal waste of $s
Bluto agree but the Bolts also have ability to move old and acquire new pieces as well. It’s premature to rule them out as being done by then. Hedman and Vasilevsky slipping are what could take them down a peg in a hurry though.
BeerLeague-this is what I wrote about a couple of weeks ago-now it’s official the next 2 to 3 years are ‘hoping’ to get better in 4 or 5 years, and D-Cat will be wondering what’s next.
New GM will get criticized no matter what happens, what he does—hope for #1 or 2 pick in 23.
I hope MAF agrees to go cause more to come. Sorry to see a true success story go but at least they got two late firsts which is like a higher pick in first round.
Agree Noonan – hope Marc Andre sees this trade and thinks his time is better spent competing elsewhere and for a Cup
I know it means nothing but go look up Erie Otters numbers for Raddysh DeBrincat and Strome.
I’ll just put up the last year together
35games 22g 53a
58games 42g 67a
60games 65g 62a
Strome
Raddysh
DeBrincat
Beer – If I am Hagel, I think I am thrilled to be going to Tampa Bay with a real shot at winning a Cup in my first full year. What’s to be so pissed about??????
Any player wants a chance to win the Cup. To be desired by Tampa is a HUGE compliment to him. He has achieved a goal, and has a shot at another one. This year. I seriously doubt he, or any young player put in the same situation as Hagel , would say they would rather stay here and lose. If anything – this serves as an incentive to young players.
I’ll reply being a Canadian fan for 60 years ! The trade is so familiar with how things went for 4 decades starting in the 70”s ! I just called it a turnstile operation where players came in and left made by people that know nothing about the game ! STUPID !!! HAGEL was the bright spot this year and now we’ll get some draft choices ,rolling the dice ! Some of these choices will likely never work out ! Let’s shorten the bench some more and try a few more line combos with a few Hogs ! POPS 4
It stinks! Hagel is 23 years old! He’s who you build around. I really don’t care how big these 2 players they got. They’re 23 and 24 and have done shit. You can’t compare them to Brandon. If he was 27-28 I can see it. But this makes zero sense. They got back 2 bodies that’s it. Plus the draft picks, that’ll be at the bottom of the first round. So what the hell are we building around, 2 big stiffs at the same age as Hagel and 2 future picks and Hagel will be only 25 in a couple years and thriving. Desperate to make a trade and u get fleeced. Boy they must be laughing in Tampa.
You trade for 3rd and 4th line players during the season and you build your 1st and 2nd line players through the draft. WE NEED 1ST AND 2ND LINE PLAYERS! Get draft picks!
That being said, we better be able to judge future NHL talent and draft some good players. Although I like Hagel, we need a little size and grit.
Just making it official. I’m pro trade. It’s like betting on Hagel vs the field. I’ll take the field.
People keep talking the picks are 30th. You moved up 100 picks in ’24 and you have minimum 3 3rd rounds picks in ’22.
Left with too many small top 6-9 forwards, Kane not being moved right now unless he wanted to be. Reichel not in Nhl yet, so its either Debrincat a goal scorer or Hagel a worker. Which Katchouk is known for too, is a work ethic. Kubalik and likely a few more gone by next season most likely. See what else next 2 days bring now.
@ Ian
@Silent Spot
Both good posts
I wonder how much Stan really knew in regard to the Salary Cap, he always
seemed to mismanage it regularity
Did this get us a top 10 pick? Not even close.
Did this get us a high quality prospect? Not even close.
Both of those things should have been in a deal for Hagel and we got neither (and if we couldn’t get them then too bad, we keep Hagel). This is quality for quantity which is a sure fire formula to lose any trade. Bullshit trade by a bullshit org.
As for Hagel, I hope he wins the Conn Smythe and destroys us every time he plays in the UC.
Well, I’m actually surprised with the trade. Tells a little about what’s ahead. Like the size, am familiar with Raddysh, and were getting some 1st rounders albeit low 1st rounders. I’m OK with this. Good luck to Hagel with the Bolts. So far, I’m optimistic because I didn’t think he’d get rid of Hagel.
So many crystal balls, it’s amazing. Everybody seems to know the future here. Lots of angry geniuses.
@JR Roman
I get your point, I just think any draft picks below top 10 are a crap shoot…especially after 20 and Based on Hawks history, I have little faith they will hit on their picks…Hagel is already better than most picks you would get below 20 and not many 2nd and 3rd rounders ever smell the NHL…the good news Rockford will be a perennial champion!
I am in shock that they trade the HEART of the team to a team that I really don’t want to see winning a cup .
Very bad move from the new GM ..
Hard to do worst trade now .
HUGE MISTAKE.
Hagel should be happy to be gone from this basement dwelling team, and those picks in 2023 2024, won’t be ready to play until 2027, And more than likely this scouting staff will screw the pooch on those picks, just face it, the Hawks are back to being a team that will pack the UC with about 5k fans, crap product brought to you by a failing organization.
Basically two first round picks for Hagel. Great trade by Davidson.
I’m really surprised that Chicago received two first round picks for Hagel.
Hagle was not a top 6-9 forward …he is a 3-4 guy .
Grit and hands …special teams ,he has ability that is natural . He will flourish in Tampa .
As for Chicago drafting and developing late first round players …and keeping them ..lol just visit our track record .
Now all our new G.M needs to do is let M.A.F go for some dysfunctional struggling has beens .
A 3rd rounder for Fleury is better than keeping him here for the rest of the season. He’s in the way and needs to go.
Would prefer a 2nd and prospect or a 1st, but he needs to go.
Terrible move.
Would be better trading Kane if your building for the future.
If Strome is still a Hawk after T.D.L …. Not a job well done.
Can someone explain the “conditional” part of these two first round picks we got for Hagel?
@AB, if they are top ten they get pushed down the road. They are the hawks unless they fall into that category.
Yes the conditional part is they are top 10 protected.
Keep in mind, at some point you have figure Tampa won’t be the Stanley Cup champs. Hopefully leading into the 2023 draft and 2024 draft. Both these picks might wind up in that 20 to 25 range.
Those two 1st rounders are top 10 protected – if that happens the Hawks get a first rounder in 2025 not protected
I really don’t think there is much danger of Tampa falling that far but I think they’ll decline starting next year or even this playoffs so that 2024 pick could be closer to 20 than 30
Raddysh has an excellent shot – I think he’ll be more than a 4 th liner
In fact he’ll probably slot into Hagel’s old spot beside Toews
Kachouk probably more of a 4th liner
Copy that. Thanks everyone for the clarification/education.
Larry L. I agree with you. I am happy to see Hagel at least went to a good team. How much more will he do with better teammates.
Hagel wins this one! As a season ticket holder he’s one of the few reasons I’ve kept my tix. Davidson says he’s rebuilding and getting first rounders available not in 22, but in 23 and 24, says they really are over a longer time frame.
With that said, it’s time to maximize the efforts and (I mean this respectfully) dispose of Kane, Fleury, Strome, Toews and even perhaps Dach. Maybe not Dach because people seem to think he still has some upside that can be developed. You could argue he’s digressed. But the others are in the way of a rebuild. Get what you can as soon as you can. Davidson has stated that he can’t guarantee a playoff timeline, and it’s looking though like that timeline will indeed be stretched out.
This trade’s merits will be apparent over the long haul. But there’s an interesting economic side that’s starting to show here. If Chicago is really going to be bad, are they really ready to take the economic hit?
The attendance is down. Season ticket holders are giving their seats up. Chicago is a great sports city, but let’s face it ….. if the team blows fans can be fickle. Butts in seats and merchandising will take a hit.
(It’s still been interesting to me that you could not, and I mean could NOT, buy a Brandon Hagel jersey at the UC or the Blackhawks store ….. you had to order one special. You COULD buy a Kalynuk one though. Wow).
The team has taken blows from
The sexual assault enlightenment and it’s immediate aftermath
Rocky Wirtz’s apparent frontal lobe disorder that makes him lose touch with emotional filters
Horrible play and coaching at the start of the season
And I will add decreased fan excitement (for me at least) because of blunders at the UC, such as
– Prepaid parking, where if you get to the game within 30 minutes of face-off, you may still have to pay at an adjacent lot ….. you see, as my rep tells me, the Blackhawks don’t own the parking. So the lots can fill up with cash payers and you can be left on your own. I prepaid for Lot F, right across Damen. It fills up and they shut the gates. No payback option given. Not something they tell you when you pay up front.
– Jamie Faulkner (the self-described Hockey Mom) gets a D for the on-ice presentation that she’s in charge of. I really like it when half a period goes by and the other teams’ goalie that’s listed on the big board is the wrong guy. Or when a Blackhawk scores and there’s a banner that appears on the big board with his name, and a picture of another player. Or as I’ve bitched about before the minor league atmosphere with attention paid to the on-screen “talent” playing games with fans, videos that are repeated every game, and music that plays OVER when the puck is in play. Or an inability to show who is on the ice and what their ice time is, or leaving power play time remaining off the board, but having good information on the leaders for such intriguing stats as miles skated thus far in the game, or exact time spent in the neutral zone.
But I digress …… losing and poor policies lead to empty seats. I think we all kind of believed the smokescreen put up by Pat and Eddie that everything with the Blackhawks was always first class all the way. There are chinks in the armor. If they are gonna overhaul the team, then it needs to really be done. Don’t go half way, Stan-style. But can they REALLY go that way and afford the economic hit?
I’ll miss Brandon Hagel in a Blackhawks uniform, I really will. Maybe it will turn out to be a good trade. I’d rather they keep a young guy like him and build around him. As I’ve said before he’s already better on the ice than a ton of NHL first round picks have turned out, including Strome and Dach this season. The Blackhawks are just one big mess. They’ve got a lot of holes to fill all over the place.
Sorry about all the bitching. I do want this team and this organization to be good again.
I work in Sarasota Florida and get Tampa TV and radio stations. Their big question tonight is who is this Brandon Hagel ? They are scrambling to find information. They are surprised at the steep cost. I can tell you that Raddysh and Koutchuk were looked as more than 4th line plugs. More like guys who were working their way up the system, paid their dues in the AHL and were now NHL ready.
I do find it interesting that people who were upset about how Stan “overpaid” for Seth Jones are now outraged that Tampa paid a really high price to get Hagel.
My 2 cents is that Kyle Davidson did really well in selling high on Hagel.
Question to Ian. Has it been done or is it possible to for example. Trade TJ and retain $2.5mil while the other team takes Maatta $750k. I am thinking yes like Seabs $$ but don’t know.
JR you can only trade contracts, so no Maatta’s contract has already been traded to LA. Seabs was put on ltir and Blackhawks still owned his contract to trade.
@Craig N
Your previous posts show quite a bit of hockey knowledge and being down in TB and seeing more of them, I hope your right…they are 2016 draft picks and if it took them 5 years to get to the NHL, it’s hard to believe they will rise above the third line. Hope I am wrong!
Bluto – You suggested trading Jones and eating 3-4 years of his contract.
Sorry, but when you agree to eat a % of a contract, it’s for the duration of the player’s contract. This is a league MUST.
So for Jones, it would be for the next 8 years.
Likely tomorrow’s lineup, with Vlassic in for Hagel. King said today he changed his mind and was starting Vlassic tomorrow but say who he was taking out of lineup, likely got a heads up. Raddysh and Katchouk may play for somebody getting moved as asset protection too. Murphy out until at least April 7th, Vlassic likely stays with Blackhawks rest of year and not assigned to Rfd, often the way it goes with an elc. The late tdl this year might change that though.
Hope your right Craig.
I loved Hagel, but selling a player high wins. He cannot sustain his current shooting %. Many here are underestimating Raddysh, who along with Katchouk are first year NHLers, and both 2nd round draft picks (like the Cat). Being on a deep TB team, you will start as a bottom 6 and ice time is limited.
I like the trade. Curious to see if Raddysh-Strome-Debrincat are reunited as they were on the Otters.
Trade MAF and Jones to Toronto for Maurer get 5 years younger high end prospect leafs might win cup if not everyone goes in Toronto front office
Clearly, Tampa sees something special in Hagel. So do most Hawk fans. And obviously, Tampa does not see anything special in the guys they dealt to get him. Also, the two picks are just crap shoots.
Tampa wins the trade in my view.
Maybe Toews is next. I see he decided to quickly critique the Hagel trade to his buddy Lazerus. I like the haul and to be fair I was among the 1st group on our site to beat the drum for Hagel. We need big physical bodies and hopefully that is the new philosophy. Sorry Captain Serious,time marches on.
Ian and Chuckie. Losing Hagel hurts but we got 2 first rounders back. I’m a bit surprised. The Hawks are a below average team WITH Hagel.
To me, the good news is Davidson proved he can make trades with the big boys.
We are not just giving guys away.
DeHaan, Kubalik, Carpenter and hopefully Fleury all move for picks and prospects and Monday night we have tons of optimism.
Last point. What if ? Fleury has been on the fence about leaving and this trade of Hagel convinces him that he would rather go to a contender ? Hmmm.
hate to see him go, but nice return and a certain sing that Davidson is serious about remaking this team.
signals that everyone is one the table, just hope the rest of the exits have the same results.
Craig the 2 firsts are good but not likely game changer picks, looks like he is going to play the draft lotto game for next few years, maybe get lucky and land a couple of game changers again in the draft lottery. Probably quite awhile before we see a good team again. Move out the big salaries, play some guys like he acquired today for a few years. Look at Arizona, moving to a 5000 seat stadium and making money buy losing money and getting topped up from players escrow payments. No big rush to get better any time soon. If they luck out in the draft lottery, the defense and goalie situation pans out might work, if not could be a long drawn out process.
Hagel will be free agent in 2 years 25 y o . He will come back with the Hawks who will be a top team then .
Ok ok …I am dreaming but it’s free to dream .
I feel really bad loosing my favourite player . Can’t believe they did that .
We wanted a plan and action, this move is that. See ya all in 3 years cause the GM is playing the long game and I can’t disagree with that.
BTW where’d the Ebony Raptor go?
Can see the logic in this trade since the Hawks will be out in the wilderness for several years. Just hope KD’s drafting is better than Stanbo’s. They’ll certainly be receiving a high lottery pick next year and likely beyond.
Davidson, like the genius he follows, just wanted to make a big splash. Hes the GM, big time now, its all about him. Stupid trade right off the bat. Just like Bowman. Hagel should have been one of the few kept to start building around. Why the hell do we keep blowing up Dach? Hes shown Nothing. He should be the one on the bus. 5 or 6 other guys should have been gone by now. Whats Davidson waiting for? For Monday to show, and now every TD team already has all their holes filled. I didnt think Davidson was the answer. Now i know it. The continuing fiasco just gets worse. And im pissed off.
@ Hawks2010-
Hagel becomes a RESTRICTED free agent after the 2023-2024 season. Tampa will own his rights for the next two seaaons after that.
Can people stop saying stuff like “draft picks outside the top 10 are crapshoots”, as if many top 10 picks themselves aren’t busts? Hell, just look at Dach (to date). Even Kakko who was taken at #2 hasn’t been anything special yet. Meanwhile, Caufield and Boldy who were taken outside the top 10 look much better than both. Sure, if you’re drafting near the top and there’s several elite prospects your odds will be much better, but there’s been plenty of excellent players drafted later in the first round, or even beyond, over the years. The Hawks could package one or both of those picks to move up in the draft, too. Odds are they’ll be acquiring a few more picks before the deadline and in the off-season before the draft.
We’re nowhere near being ready to even contend for the playoffs, let alone a Cup. We were probably going to suck the next couple years even with Hagel. We have a bottom 5 prospect system, and like 10 roster spots to fill next season and around $25 million in cap space. Hagel was great, but his shooting % is 22% right now and that’s just not sustainable. Yes, he provides a ton of grit and busts his butt every shift, but what good does that do on a roster with very little talent? It sucks losing him, but it had to be done.
Okie- excellent post… almost no guarantees in draft– unless it’s #1 or 2— and that is not always a guarantee… see the Oilers– pre- McJesus
REAL work ( and luck ) is done with excellent scouting/coaching systems– see how the Y-man/Bolts have created their little dynasty… Kucherov/Point and several other picks/UFAs– are HUGE players on that squad.
Adding– more Picks just increases the odds of getting lucky/right w drafting. Therefore, Davidson is making his own luck- which is a good thing
Enhancing Hawks odds in 2023 draft– by sucking– and having a real shot at top 2 pick– needs to happen to get possible next Kane/Crosby/Toews type player… there are some STUDS in that draft.
I said that I would have been happy with a 1st and a top-end prospect for Hagel. Well, the “intern” got 2 1st rounders and a couple of top-end prospects. Both of these guys dominated in the AHL, but it is practically impossible to crack the Lightning top-6 for a young guy! My friends in Tampa hate the trade because they thought that Raddysh and Kotchouk were going to be significant contributors next year. So, let’s watch these guys play, give them a chance with an open mind, and see what happens! I love the size! We needed to get bigger! Plus, I have said multiple times, I love the way Hagel plays, but that reckless game with his size is going to land him on the LTIR more times than we can afford.
I love the idea of trading Seth Jones for a major haul, even if we have to eat half of his deal. I think to finish this rebuild, you have to trade your O-30 stars – Kane, Toews, MAF!
Also, I would love to Kubalik, Carpenter, DeHaan, Gustafson, and McCabe go before the TDL.
In closing, I love the Hagel deal.
If KD can get back in the first round for this year perhaps with a MAF trade and maybe even get a second first rounder in 2022 with say a Murphy trade (either now or before draft) that would be ideal
That would give the Hawks 5 or 6 first rounders in the next 3 years and a possible Kane trade this summer or next year TDL could increase that – that’s how you rebuild
It’s a good start for KD – hoping for more of the same before Monday and before the draft
Tommy I
Better yet- trading any or all of those mentioned for 2023 and 2024 draft picks is fine too and Strong AHLer’s on the cusp… Like the 2 they just picked up…
Radd/Kotch- will be in their primes in 2-3 years — ADD 2 or 3 TOP picks from 2023 and 2024… and if YOU are lucky and scouting is solid… You could have the 2009 Hawks team all over again in 2024
Like that way better than current farm system plus Hagel– in 2024
Bluto, strong scouting and development is the key words. Truth is if a elite scouting and development team is not the first priority like the Bolts or Pens, your wasting this opportunity. Like the team on the ice, the coach can tell you all the right things but if the team on the other bench is better your going to lose most games. Truth is the Bolts may get more mileage out if their 2 4ths than the Blackhawks get from their 2 1sts if recent history is any indication. Plus Bolts have Hagel and still all their top prospects like Jack Finlay who each will give 1st round type production for years to come.
Wrap would you consider this deal, Flames want to make a couple of moves but have no cap room, one is Dman on expiring deal who can eat big mins, Dehaan works. They also want to move a struggling Monohan who is also under contract next year for over 6.375m. So Dehaan, retain half his salary to Flames to take Monohans caphit and maybe their 1st next year, which gives Flames room to make other deal(s). A new start may rejuvenate Monohan only 27 to regain his form and be a good tdl piece to move next year possibly. Capspace to do it not an issue and he really wouldn’t be blocking any future forward pieces at this point.
Ian – yeah I like that – was actually wondering myself about taking on Monahan’s contract although it’s hard to see Flames doing this at TDL – maybe DeHaan in separate deal and Monahan before draft though
1. Hagel’s shooting percentage is north of 20%, that’s unsustainable
2. We do not know whether Davidson was shopping Hagel or Tampa came asking for him. Regardless, you have to give value to get value. And draft picks are needed for a rebuild.
3. The draft picks as well as Raddysh & Kotchouk can be trade pieces, individually or collectively.
4. The trade makes sense for both teams and also for Hagel, who gets a chance at a Cup. In one sense it also may be good for Raddysh to get back with Strome & DeBrincat.
If you believe the Hawks have the right scouting staff and decision maker(s) in place, then the trade is a good one. But do they?
Wrap the Flames have no tdl caproom, they need to make a move now to create some room.
Wonder how long the Cat, Strome, Raddysh former line stays around. Is Strome gone by Monday or in the summer. Does Cat survive tdl next year and get another contract, maybe as mentioned Raddysh gets flipped again at draft or something. One thing the comment was mada that Raddysh and Katchouk will fill roster spots for rest of sesson and Rfd. lineup can stsy intact for their playoffs.
I’m still livid over the stupidity of this trade. You don’t trade your best young player for a bunch of ifs. Hagel is who you start your rebuild with. He plays the game the right way. You start a real rebuild by trading Kane who will be 34 next year. But that would take balls to do. Which obviously KD does not have. He wanted to make a splash to do something. So boys all you can do now is keep your fingers crossed that even one of the 2 guys they got back and these future draft picks turns out to be as good as Hagel. Like the markets you don’t make a trade and hope. Tampa made the trade and doesn’t have to hope. They got the player they wanted for years. We got our fingers crossed for years. That is the fact. Tell me different!
Grey – I expect Kane will eventually be traded – probably by next TDL – whether he’s the first one traded or not doesn’t really matter
Hagel on Tampa is likely a 3rd liner unless there are injuries
He’s filling the hole left by Blake Coleman or Yanni Gourde and will have decreased TOI and PP time to go along with his unsustainable shooting % – over time maybe he’ll move up the line up – we’ll see
I love him and Tampa got what they wanted but for the Hawks the return is very good
If you check out reactions from other teams fans they mostly think KD made out like a bandit
Kane will be in Chicago until late spring of 2023 or until he demands otherwise. Those are the rules Kyle is forced to work within. It’s call a legal contract.
Toews, likewise, will enjoy the same situation. Again, it’s called a legal contract.
Fleury has about another month to enjoy Chicago if he so chooses. Know why? It’s called a handshake agreement, and for Kyle to go against that agreement wrecks his credibility and also his ability going forward to do his job.
Those are the rules right now. They may suck for some here, but they are the rules.
This isn’t videogame hockey. It would be nice to trade the next 4 years of 5th, 6th and 7th rounders and throw in Kurachev for the #1 pick next year, but it simply isn’t going N g to happen. We need to move movable players/contracts to get assets in return. The better the assets we move – the better the potential assets we get in return.
Toews said to Lazarus from athletic that he was in shock about sending Hagel to another team and said ..Every teams wants to rebuild around a guy like Hagel .
I think exactly the same way
It’s really difficult to understand .
We are now at 5-6 years away from being a contender …minimum iff everything is really good .. Mathieu Darche ( iff was Hawks GM ) would never trade this guy so he trade to get it . And he got him ….what a great move from Tampa.
Uncle + Bill
to your 3rd point… skate Raddysh with Strome and D cat– like Erie Otters days…
And Raddysh — puts up 20g + and 45 pts… so now you can keep… or flip him for mores Lotto balls
Strome.Dcat/Radd– played on Erie– an put up eye popping numbers
Ian, I would roll the dice on Monohan and go all in on McBain since he doesn’t want to sign with the Wild. That would allow them to move Dach to the wing and Toews to 3rd line Center or out the door if he is so unhappy about losing Hagel and others
I like the trade. Solid return. Surprised a little at the negative reaction of some. Even saw some comments that you build the team around Hagel. Hagel is not THAT guy. Don’t get me wrong, he’s the hardest worker on the team, busts his ass every shift but he’s a solid 3rd line guy on a very good team like Tampa. I want the Hawks to win not just watch individual players and be satisfied with that ( which is why I’m a Sox fan instead of a cub fan). Develop a new core, expand the scouting dept with new eyes, draft wisely and hire a coach with a solid plan. Lets accept the growing pains , they’re gonna suck for a while but maybe the turnaround will be quicker. 2015 seems like a long time ago.
The Hawks are a terrible team with Hagel playing lights out, so trading him now
for much needed assets is a good thing. The key now is whether or not KD has
a scouting department that could cash in on those assets. That’s were it all starts
and ends.
Putting together a team with talent is easy, see today’s Hawks. Putting together
a team that can win is whole different enchilada. Now we wait and see whether
KD is a good chef or another Bowman. Either way we will be shiite for quite sometime.
Kane to NYR makes way to much sense for it to happen, Ave’s no longer have the
goods to get Kane. But the Ave’s still the assets to get MAF. If I’m KD I say thanks
Flower but I’m not Stan and I didn’t make the deal, what contender do you want to
go play for and make it happen
Joe- well said…. Love Hagel
Hagel Is NOT building block… Toews/Keith/Hedman/Doughty/Kane are guys you Build a team around and off of…
Hagels/Bollands/Froliks/Palat ( 7th round pick — are great examples of great fringe players on great teams) who PICKED and drafted wisely
YIKES . . . all those on this blog that chatter on and on about draft picks got your wish. A bucket full of late first round picks that odds tell us wont pan-out. This is a nightmarish scenario that Davidson has begun for us Hawk fans, smells like Putin in here? For the experts on this blog does anyone think the trade will bring us another HAGEL? The answer is no, yes i am clairvoyant. Hagel’s upside is growing, like Tesla Stock, Tampa knows talent when they smell it, they targeted Hagel as a must have player. They got him. Yes they need to win now vs. hawks need to win sometime in 2030?
The Seth Jones a 4th overall pick acquisition is a sign of things to come. Hawks where under no pressure to leap and grab Seth Jones. He is over rated and he is now the face of the Hawks Defense. Caleb Jones a 117th overall pick is better, watch and see. Love this kid best acquisition by “luck” Hawks made. NHL success is built on one or two “mobile” dmen, think Alex Pietrangelo a 4th overall pick or Roman Josi number38 overall, Yes extreme players but that Offense to Defense is everything, to me the NHL is very much like the NFL when Lawrence Taylor in the 80’s changed the role of linebacker, size, speed and style of play, NHL is next.
So if this is Davidson’s first step to rebuild trading your best, young, most upside player, goal scoring, fan favorite to accumulate (faceless ) draft picks. Give them Toews and a Macy’s $100 Gift card . . . anyone but Hagel and of course KEEP KANE . . . KANE because the Stadium will be empty next year without him, got to sell beer, bratttttz and hats. No KANE no COMMERCE. This is NOT a good start, to me it shows how the organization values talent and the risk level they will tolerate. Salary Cap Aside look at the NHLer’s we thought we’re EXPENDABLE? Yes trading is risky business . . . but here are a few i liked to keep. I”m a big Teravainen fan and Bread Man too.
Brandon Saad – Matthew Highmore -Nick Schmaltz-Ryan Hartman -Artemi Panarin – Tyler Motte- Teuvo Teravainen -Jan Rutta
See ya in 2030
Hagel’s value might never be higher than right now. Tampa made a great trade for Tampa as well. They needed to strengthen their 3rd line which they did. He is also on a very team friendly contract. I just don’t see by keeping Hagel, not acquiring faceless ( which most are) future draft picks, not adding more sizeable forwards make the Hawks better. IMO that since the Hawks are rebuilding and without a first round pick this year and dreadfully smallish on their front end that this trade makes sense. And Hagel is my fav Hawk too!! Gotta let this play out. These two forwards gotta be motivated potentially getting more ice time. Lets all hope they both have Hagel’s motor!
I do agree that in starting a rebuild trading Kane, Toews and Fleury to obtain younger assets and picks is a must. If management wants to move on from Kane and Toews they could do it regardless of their no- movement contracts. Davidson should first talk to Toews and Kane and tell them the team is going into a rebuild and will be going with a youth movement and ask them to wave their no- movement contracts. Both players would probably agree to a trade. If they do not agree then cut their ice time significantly and both players would want to be traded. If they still don’t want to be traded buy them out! The biggest issue is would Davidson have the balls? This is where you need Bill Guerin.
The GM should be doing whatever he can to try to build a Stanley Cup contender and not be worryingly about hurting players feelings. A handshake agreement with Stan Blowman should in no way stop Davidson from trading Fleury after all what is Davidsons job? Was Vegas worried about what people would say when they wanted to get rid of Fleury to Chicago?….No because their GM was trying to do what was right for the Vegas Knights. In the Hagel case the Hawks are selling high and adding assets which is exactly what Davidson should be going. Great trade if you are going into a real rebuild.
Whether we like it or not, it’s done. Hawks need high end talent, they had a bargaining chip and they played it. I hate it but we need more talent in the system, period. On the current course, this team would hover around .500 for the next couple of years. Everyone is clamoring to get rid of DeHaan, Carpy, Strome but that gets you nothing back. Davidson to his credit is playing from the top of the deck. Time to tear it down, acquire as many picks and prospects as you can and get on with scouting and development. The middling days are over. Lane and Toews and their $10m each are done with by the end of next year. Whether they get traded or not is their decision but we will at least have tons of cap space and hopefully a bunch of picks.
I have a problem with this rebuild in that it’s been going on since Coach Q was canned and before! So with Davidson we are now going to have to wait another four years before this team even smells the playoffs, we hope. Good god I’m 65 does that mean I’ll have to wait until I’m almost 70 before I get to see another playoff team? Good grief Charlie Brown! Hagel was part of the rebuild!
@Tony, it sucks but there is no rebuild in progress even with Hagel. They have little to no prospects in the forward ranks and no 1st rounder this year. Let’s hope for some ping pong ball luck and some good picks.
Joe muzzi
Yea you are right , Toews probably knows nothing about hockey when he said Hagel was a player to keep for the future and that he didn’t know what’s his future with the team iff you trade guy’s like Hagel .
Anyway time will tell
I don’t think we will see the Hawks in the cup finals for next 10 years .but hope I am wrong . D’arche probably don’t believe he got Hagel out of Chicago.
I remember Hagel last year in Red Deer 41 goals more then 100 pts
I think he can do 70 pts easily in NHL on a good line
Just my 2 pesos.
Stape.
Buying out Toews or Kane this summer does nothing. You’d still pay over $8.5M in the last contract year and almost a million the next year.
Some players have front loaded contracts which means buying them out gets you very little.
Jones contract is similar. In summer 2026 (after the first 4 years), he would get $7.3M+ then $7.8+ the next three.
My point is if Chicago wants to get rid of Toews and Kane without their consent it is possible.
I think the aim would be to get assets for 88and 19 if they can, not just get rid of them for nothing.
Hawks need to convey the draft pick from the Jones trade in 2022, if not it could me much more valuable (and a much bigger loss to Hawks) in 2023.
@Ian. No s_ _t Sherlock
my ideal scenario is Kane accepts a trade either this summer or before the tdl in 2023, reaping some young talent for the Hawks and then resigns with the Hawks after that season for say 3 years or so at $3-$4 M.
Nothing wrong with taking a swing at the eerie otter line. Wonder how many would be happy if it were a simpler trade for just Radd. The results of this trade will seriously take maybe a decade or more to see the full ramifications of.
Personally I prefer legit players on the ice as opposed to dreaming who might be drafted or who was and if theyll ever play. Maybe a couple lightning players find thier home here.
Those draft picks unless traded at some point will not be a big part of any team for likely a minimum four years. Likely more six. See ya on 2028.
here’s the best thing about the trade. The hawks will suck for 5 years and you’ll be able to buy tickets for pocket change !!!!!! LOL. IF i was kaner i go into the office and hand them a list so they don’t look any worse than they been since the beginning of there fiasco year ! Rocky is now a walking in dads foot prints . The rest of you willing to watch next year i say find a hobby . Big Indian u find a editor lol
That’s it, start your rebuild by trading a 23 year old bright spot and fan favorite.
That’s all you can do give up your best young player for almost second round picks but not this year and some bottom 6 guys and now Flower for a 2nd rounder likely. Yeah they mean business about rebuild. Davidson has been fleeced …
You have to give something to get something. Stanley was the brain that screwed this organization and Rocky enabled it with crazy contracts and keeping players to long. I’ve changed my mind on Davidson, let’s give him a little more time.
As far as Kane goes as long as he keeps putting up 70 plus point seasons he can stay as long as he wants.
Raddysh is a stud. Greyhawk is way off. Hagel is a great young player that works his butt off but is not a franchise centerpiece. Our best young players (forwards at least) are Dach and Reichel. Period. Raddysh has chemistry already with two of our likely now keeper young players Strome and Cat. Katchouk looks like a hustle guy with albeit less offensive upside than Hagel but we also get 2 first round picks on top of all that? I’m doing that trade any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I liked Hagel a lot. I wouldn’t have done it straight up Hagel for Raddysh even though Raddysh has a chance to be as important a player on a playoff team as Hagel. Raddysh isn’t lazy. He works hard, moves quick, moves the puck quickly, has great offensive awareness, is elusive, doesn’t shy away from board battles, has some size, and a great shot, ability to screen and tip in shots like Hagel that way too. Give him 2 years then compare the deal even before the picks. See how far up the TB lineup Hagel can make it. I don’t see Hagel as the next Martin st. Louis in TB. I see him more like Tyler Johnson in TB, second line / third line scoring/checking role interchanges, though Hagel is less valuable in general terms because he’s a winger not a center. Yes I think Hagel is a superior overall player to Tyler Johnson but in a playoff role, a certain is that much more valuable and Hagel wasn’t that guy or at least wasn’t getting any opportunity to show he could be that guy at an NHL level. Raddysh is not that guy either which is fine. If he turns into the power forward he was in junior and in the World juniors when I called him out as a stud watching his play, we will not be regretting this trade.