Blackhawks Trade Nick Schmaltz To Arizona
In a late Sunday night stunner, the Chicago Blackhawks announced they have acquired forwards Dylan Strome and Brendan Perlini from the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for forward Nick Schmaltz.
The Hawks then sent center Luke Johnson to Rockford to make room for the extra forward coming back in the deal.
Strome, 21, was the third overall pick in the 2015 NHL Draft. He has three goals and three assists in 19 games this season with Arizona, and is winning 58 percent of his faceoffs. His contract has an AAV of $863,333 and is signed through the 2019-20 season. Strome is listed at 6-3 and 200 pounds.
In 2016-17, Strome put up 75 points in 35 games with the Erie Otters (OHL), where he was a linemate of Chicago’s Alex DeBrincat. DeBrincat posted 127 points in 63 games that season. Strome (111) and DeBrincat (101) both topped 100 points playing together with Erie the previous season.
Dylan Strome was on latest @spittinchiclets podcast and said Alex DeBrincat is his best friend. They were linemates in OHL and sit No. 1 and 2 on Erie Otters all-time points list (Strome 354, DeBrincat 332). #Blackhawks
— Charlie Roumeliotis (@CRoumeliotis) November 26, 2018
Perlini, 22, was the 12th overall pick in the 2014 NHL Draft. He has two goals and four assists in 21 games this year with the Coyotes. He is listed at 6-3 and 211 pounts and his contract has an AAV of $863,333 and is signed through the 2018-19 campaign.
Schmaltz, 22, was the 20th overall pick in the 2014 NHL Draft and is set to be a restricted free agent after this season. After putting 52 points up last year, he has only registered 33 shots on net in 23 games this year.
Wow.
Hmmmmm? Stan was moving pieces all over the place to sign schmaltz. Bowman is a jabroni.
Agreed @miroslav wow indeed. Another hawks first rounder bites the dust. Personally for me watching schmaltz this year has been very disappointing. Just seems scared to go anywhere near a tough area.
Strome highly skilled, great size and a young impant type of
center prospect. Struggles at skating. Perlini a big body winger, maybe plays with Kane.
Honestly almost too much to think about right now.
Is this the start of more moves to come?
Interesting. Bowman’s track record making trades re NHL players is poor at best. Last good trade was Vermette. I have said many times Bowman has a good eye for young talent, particularly forwards, but how many 1st round picks almost in a row is he going to trade?
As Q loved to say numerous times, “we’ll see.”.
Schmaltz sealed his own fate. Was given every opportunity to get better, and couldn’t develop into a top two C. Better to move him now rather than hand out another awful contract this summer. Strome is intriguing. Be interested to hear what Tab and others have to say about him.
Maybe Schmaltz played himself out of favor by not being agressive, timid no shooting mentality. Hope the Stromme can get a confidence back with being paired with DeBrincat. Perlini needs to use his size to be effective. Possibly a couple more moves to make, use some of prospects and possible veteran for a quick forward,sniper.
P.S. this is not the method to construct a solid four lines in a fast pace league. My mom can skate faster than strome as someone mentioned. He is a young anisimov. Hopefully playing with debrincat will make him skate faster.
Interesting. Maybe Bowman is hoping Strome will be a huge with The Cat. The other guy is nothing more than an extra body. Schmaltz looked tentative going to the net, I think this might work out for the Hawks.
I have lost all faith in Bowman to make good moves. He has failed in just about every move he has made the last three years leading to the below .500 team we see today and the firing of a HOF coach. Unless they are willing to trade one of the “four” or five if you include Crawford, that are not worth their contracts on a bad team, this team will continue to flounder.
I have no faith in Bowman. Here’s the thing we are losing with trading Schmaltz; one of the best defensive forwards in the league. Last year Schmaltz ranked #3 in GA/TA percent…that’s pretty impressive. Yes, he was definitely looking slow and hesitant so far this season, but Schmaltz had a very slow start last season and wasn’t until mid December that he started playing close to a point a game.
Players picked 3rd in the 1st who can’t skate very well seldom get their confidence back. It’s a skating game now.
Playing with Debrincat won’t make Strome skate faster – it will just make Debrincat slower
Chihawk good point, schmaltz very good defensively and skates well enough to make up for others’ blunders. He has been bounced around lines like a super ball as well
Everything in life is a business model. Bowman is doing his best to save his ass and decent salary/lifestyle. Maybe he gets lucky or maybe not. I hope for the latter.
Neil for GM!
Arizona has been making some solid moves this year while Bowman has made only bad moves. Strome is not known to be able to skate well. Maybe he’s on the 2nd and flourishes next to Kane and Cat, or maybe he only is a 4th line center most of his career. Hard to say what Perlini is worth but he could be the better pickup given the speed of the league today….skating matters. After the Manning signing $2.25M for 2 years, that may be the worst move ever.
What is GA/TA percent?
Wow. Just wow. I’m higher on Schmaltz than most.
Clearly Colliton wants bigger players instead of perimeter play. Bowman told The Athletic’s Scott Powers on Saturday he tries to bring in players that fit the Coach’s system.
Sadly after the 2016 season, critics said Teuvo was soft. Teuvo feared contact, then you watch him play in Carolina these days and he looks bigger, stronger, less fearful, like a young man who is growing into his body and has become more confident.
Arizona rushed Strome to the NHL, then tried to “redevelop” him by sending him to the AHL, that rarely works.
Chayka seems to feast on Stan. I fear he’s done that again.
Give away versus take away percentage
Strome is a good guy and hard worker. He was drafted one spot ahead of Mitch Marner who skates very fast. If Schmaltz was also a first roumd pick, then I think what you have here is two GM’s covering up poor drafting by hiding the evidence.
Well the stats point in the right direction but are these guys worth giving up probably our number one-two non signed player for the future???? Schmaltz has proven for the most part he is meant for the NHL, with the numbers he has put up the last two season. We will see as Q would say…..I kind of like the move but we will see…..Bowman still needs to be fired I don’t agree with almost all the trades…..Anyway bottom line is before this trade this is not a top 3 team in any division so lets get the trade train moving. I love all the Veteran’s but lets not forget they have all been paid and would hate to see them go….Another food for thought is Kane’s main line mate for the last 4 years has been traded away,”Schmaltz, Panarin”….is Anisimov next???? Also thinking about that Toews main line mates have also been traded away or left the league, “Panik, Hossa, Saad”, one even came back. Reading some of the comments while typing this, if these guys can’t skate in the current NHL UGHHH…….
Brendan Perlini
S TEAM LEAGUE GP G A
2009-10 Soo Greyhounds AAA 18 19 15
2010-11 Belle Tire Bantam T1EBHL 31 18 17
2011-12 Belle Tire TieHL U16 40 21 23
2012-13 Barrie Colts OHL 32 1 1
Niagara IceDogs OHL 27 7 3
2013-14 Niagara IceDogs OHL 58 34 37
Canada U18 “A” WJC-18 7 3 1
2014-15 Niagara IceDogs “A” OHL 43 26 34
Portland Pirates AHL 0 0 0
2015-16 Niagara IceDogs “A” OHL 57 25 20
Canada U20 WJC-20 5 0 0
2016-17 Arizona Coyotes NHL 57 14 7
Tucson Roadrunners AHL 17 14 5
2017-18 Arizona Coyotes NHL 74 17 13
2018-19 Arizona Coyotes NHL 21 2 4|
Dylan Strome
2011-12 Toronto Marlboros GTBHL – – –
2012-13 Toronto Marlboros GTMMHL 60 65 78
2013-14 Erie Otters OHL 60 10 29
Canada Ontario WHC-17 5 6 5
2014-15 Erie Otters “A” OHL 68 45 84
2015-16 Erie Otters “C” OHL 56 37 74
Canada U20 WJC-20 5 4 2
2016-17 Arizona Coyotes NHL 7 0 1
Erie Otters OHL 35 22 53
Canada U20 “C” WJC-20 7 3 7
2017-18 Arizona Coyotes NHL 21 4 5
Tucson Roadrunners AHL 50 22 31
2018-19 Arizona Coyotes NHL 19 3 3
Nick Schmaltz
2009-10 Chicago Mission AAA 31 19 35
2010-11 Chicago Mission AAA 24 31 55
2011-12 Chicago Mission HPHL U16 13 9 11
Green Bay Gamblers USHL 11 1 3
2012-13 Green Bay Gamblers USHL 64 18 34
2013-14 Green Bay Gamblers USHL 55 18 45
U.S. National . USDP 2 0 0
2014-15 Univ. of North Dakota NCAA 38 5 21
USA U20 WJC-20 5 0 1
2015-16 Univ. of North Dakota NCAA 37 11 35
USA U20 WJC-20 7 2 6
2016-17 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 61 6 22
Rockford IceHogs AHL 12 6 3
USA WC 7 0 3
2017-18 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 78 21 31
2018-19 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 23 2 9
Also just a note Vinny has 10 points, Panik has 10 points, this year, nothing to go crazy about…..Ohh and for those keeping score Panarin is at 23 points twice the amount of Saad….
Saad has 1 PP goal, Panarin has 4 PP assists…We still need some power play shooters…..
While I’m not sad in the least to see Schmaltz traded because he shown he lacks the courage necessary to be successful in the NHL, I’m not sold on the players coming back. Strome reminds me of a more offensively gifted John Hayden because he skates about the same way Hayden skates which is sub par for the NHL. Perlini seems like just a guy to me. It seems like a trade of 1st round busts with Schmaltz being the one who has busted least. They’re all still pretty young so it’s probably too early to call them busts but Strome and Perlini seem headed in that direction and Schmaltz has regressed to the point where he headed that way too.
From the simplest of comparisons, we traded speed for size. Normally I would rather have speed, but Schmaltz was such a frustrating player that I’m happy to see him go.
#8 refused to go into ANY corners after a puck. I mean he seemed to be almost AFRAID of contact. Constantly stopping short of the puck so he he could avoid ANY form of contact. Patrick Kane at least will chase a puck into the corner. Also Duncan Keith is just horrible. I mean he just is a turnover machine.
Maybe I have been watching a different Hawks team than the one you guys have been watching but Schmaltz hasn’t been playing well at all this year. His development was going backwards. I am not sure what the metrics say about his defense, but he made some pretty horrible plays that lead directly to goals. Stop making Schmaltz to be the second coming of Pavel Datsyuk, he isn’t. He may yet end up being a good player in this league, but he was talking the long route to get there this season.
I like the math of getting two former first round picks for a player who can’t win a faceoff, is afraid to get hit and is can’t shoot the puck. Is that an accurate portrayal of what Schmaltz was like this year?
We don’t need two big centres with slow feet, so it might be a good time to move AA as well. Schmaltz was gun-shy and regressing so I would rather he be traded now than overpaid on a re-up deal. That said, failed first-rounders seldom turn it around so we’ll see with Strome. In any event, Schmaltz was given every chance to succeed so hard to find fault in dealing him. And just to add, there is a lot more to playing defence than stripping the puck from behind. Schmaltz was okay defensively, no more.
I like getting two much higher first round picks with (badly needed) size and Strome’s faceoff percentage. Even if Strome turns out to be 3rd line and Perlini makes bottom six, this is a win. Arizona is poor at player development and they will become better players Hawks will help improve their play more.
I don’t know what some of you are talking about, Schmaltz has been poor defensively this season. He’s been poor offensively too. Never mind that he has 11 points, only 5 of them are direct: 2 goals and 3 assists, the rest were garbage secondary assists he picked up. So his production wasn’t any better than production of either guy coming in. Speed isn’t everything. If it were, Fortin would be our best forward.
Miroslav- excellent post… #8- making TT look like Hercules – for majority of this season.
Yes- Hawks are hoping Strome/Dcat- will spark chemistry from Jrs.
As some have pointed out… another BIG fail from SB… Moved up to draft Schmaltz… now ditching him… cuz he is as weak as TT was in Board/Cycle game… Guess IF trade works out for Hawks- SB could save his job- here…
I like the trade- mainly Cuz- Schmaltz was so frustrating to watch this year…
TT- way smarter player over Schmaltz- imo
Like what I read about Perlini- speed and size- strong on skates… seems like a good LW for 19/88… Puck possession
then Dcat/Strome/Saad — good 2nd line, win FO’s… and Saad can be the speed guy on line
Kurashev- will be the 3rd C as soon as next year- More speed to burn (and assuming they Move AA)- and Hawks will have some Cap $$$ next year- to make a play for decent UFA… Add Entwhistle – and Hawks are suddenly decent sized team
Strome is the better faceoff guy. Oddly enough, Johnson had better FO numbers than Kruger. But…we’re keeping Kruger. I like this trade. Schmaltz is not the guy for Chicago. Maybe in AZ. We needed a another Center who is good at the dot. I think we can all agree that we can’t burn out Toews. The last time the Blackhawks won the cup, they had great FO centers 1 through 4. I’m not saying Strome is the missing piece, BUT…he’s a better piece. Anisimov can go to the 3rd line. Kruger? At this point, I’d rather have Luke Johnson. Now, let’s tinker with that D. Shall we?
Wonder where kampf would fit in if anisimov takes 3c. He looked awful good on the pk last game…Kruger replacement?
Hope for these lines soon:
Saad – Toews – Kahun
Perlini – Anisimov – Kane
D.Cat – D. Strome – D. Sikura
Fortin – Kampf – Hayden
6 picks after Schmaltz was D. Pastranak Boston, oops
Also Arizona gave away Domi, looking very good in Montreal, they do make mistakes.
Personally, I have a good feeling about Strome, always liked what I saw of him in the under 20’s games, he always seemed to make things happen. And I do like the face off #’s
I was a Schmaltz fan but got frustrated with his play this year, he regressed and just did not seem to get it.
Bold move? Usually the best player n the deal wins the deal. Strome sure hasn’t played better than Schmaltz so far.
Watched a lot of D-cat and Strome in the OHL-hope it works here, because if not another skilled asset left for not much!
Lmao.WHO SHOULD BE THE NEXT GM The Hawks have the same amount of Wins as Arizona. Bowman piks 1st rounders brags about m then dumps them. In 4 years has brought this glorious franchise to Coyote level. But continues to hang on Keith Seabrook who both are slow and old at 13 mill. He has traded away so many young players ! Everyone on this site should be rallying to fire BOWMAN !!!! You all talk about the players on the team that he built or traded away. Again it’s what Bowman did. Nobody else ! Hawks are a joke now going on 4 years still trying to get 3 solid lines . Your comments should be about who will be the next GM & coach. I stop watching this team after Panarin trade ! I LIKE ALL OF U TO SUGGEST WHO SHOULD BE GM & COACH !
Hawks Defense is still slow, turnover prone and bad in breaking out of the zone…until that’s fixed we have a problem.
Just got bigger and slower, i think Perlini is the darkhorse in tge trade if Colliton can make him into a true power forward, could be something there. Strome is a lightning in a bottle type acquisiti9n hoping he finds his game with Debrincat and Colliton can help him do it.
Agree Craig good chance in a year or two Schmaltz will be another Bowman got away trade on here and blossoms in Arizona, like TT in Carolina.
Writing on the wall for AA now it seems, Kampf long term role still unsure, as Wall pointed out some good bottom 6 center depth close to being on or quite likely could be on roster by this time next year.
We’ll see?! Combined Strome and Pernini are -15! I hope we aren’t expecting them to play defensively TOO?
Bowman’s noise should be snug for this deal- we need fast, scoring forwards who are strong defensively? We need fast, physical, big and strong Defenceman?
We’ll see!
GlennHall – while I appreciate plus/minus still being kept in the NHL, I’ll be the last person to point at it as a metric that should be cited when qualifying the performance of any individual over the span of a season.
I hope that I am wrong… I personally do no like this trade.
Schmalt trade will look like Teuvo trade in a couple of years….Agree!
We need to dump ageing veterans not our young guys…..Dumb trade!
Why wont Bowman trade any of our ageing core?
Why not try to get a younger core?
I almost forgot we are in win now mode…. Problem is we are a bottom 10 team.
Stape – Teuvo never had an issue pulling the trigger. Schmaltz is scared of shooting the damn thing. Huge difference.
Schmaltz is an excellent defensive forward who has all of the offensive upside in the world but he just refused to commit to scoring here, which is what ultimately cost him the 2C job and, now, got him traded out of town.
And for those who are still asking why Bowman hasn’t traded any of the aging core, it’s because he gave them all NTCs so he can’t (without permission)
If the Blackhawks can somehow move Anisimov they could be pretty good at the dot rolling Toews-Strome-Kampf-Johnson. There’s no question in my mind that Johnson is an NHL 4C right now, he just needs a roster spot (cough, Kunitz, cough). Same holds true for Sikura, who should be in the NHL as well (cough, Martinsen, cough)
Schmaltz has had very little to contribute to our team this year , he is soft and tentative to go in the corners or the front of the net .Hopefully this is just the start ,.,.,
Be nice if our back end was improving via trade but….I bet A.A. is getting nervous !
2nd line = “Dcat – Strome – Saad – and Saad can be the speed guy on the line”. It’s not very promising to have one speed guy on the 2nd line when many teams like the Leafs have three speed guys on 3 lines.
Yes Tab- agree +/- may be an outdated stat- maybe eve. Irrelevant. In the absence of any facts, other than combined the 2 new guys have one more point than Schmaltz, and having ZERO visibility to Arizona games, I’ll take it that this trade significantly upgrades our forwards- otherwise why would you do it? I’m fine moving Schmaltz- wasn’t with Vinny and Hammer- but I don’t see Stan’s plan here?! He’s tightened the noose on his own neck- I just want to see competitive hockey out of my life long team! And the last 2 years have been an embarrassing example of a “post cup run” team! Give me 3-4 examples where we traded past “success” to build the “future”!
20-19-88
perlini-strome-12
84-64-24
16-15-40
these are the lines that dailyfaceoff has – updated yesterday. sometimes they’re inaccurate though
Either the Coyotes saw alot in Schmaltz they liked or alot in these 2 they didn’t. Chances of the 2 of them suddenly becoming productive top 6 players right away is wishful thinking.
Stape,
….because the aging core have over-sized contracts and declining on ice value.
I’ve said it before on this site. It only takes one bad contract to capsize hockey franchises in slow growth salary cap environments. Dishing out bad (heavy) contracts have been SB’s forte going back to Bickell and now Seabs (and probably others.) When you can’t move those contracts, you’re sunk. Same for the NBA.
As I said in an earlier post, I have no faith in Bowman. He has slowly made this team worse each of the last three years with every trade he makes. I am not opposed to trades, I just don’t see one single trade in the last three years where the Hawks ended up better.
Also, what is the plan? Are they building through the defense? Do they want a fast team? A big hard hitting team? Bottom line this team has no identity.
Chayka is quoted as saying, Bowman told him this year that Schmaltz was untouchable and that something recently changed.
Yesterday Calgary thumped Arizona. Both Strome and Perlini were in the lineup.
I’m wondering if Chayka called Stan after the game and initiated the trade and if Stan felt Strome and Perlini were too good a package to pass up. If that were the case, Stan should have demanded our 3rd round pick back in the 2019 draft that we sent them in the Hossa deal.
Since this is a rebuild. It is essential that the Hawks get a blue chip forward in the upcoming draft. At this point it appears likely. It would fantastic if we somehow acquired additional picks in the first three rounds and went hard after forwards.
Hopefully both are mainstays and make significant contributions. Schmaltz has a great career too in the desert.
Worst case this ends up looking like a TT for Yakupov and Puliot.
Maybe we can package a few players for Daniel Sprong. Anisimov, Kunitz, Martinson? Maybe Rutta if Kunitz and Martinson are a stretch. Just thinking out loud. Not too committed to this…BUT…it would be nice to unload these guys. Like Tab pointed out…we have kids who can fill the bills of the above guys. Raddysh and/or Hillman should get a shot up here. IJS.
Tab, When comparing Schmaltz to Teuvo I was thinking about a young Teuvo that was probably only going to get better, which he has.
I think the same with Schmaltz, a young player that will probably only get better.
Two young players that could have helped the Hawks for a long time.
Yes they had flaws in their games, most do.
I hear what you say about all the no trade contracts handed out by Bowman.
We also realize that if one of the core is actually asked to wave their no trade contract….Some core member might be willing to wave it.
If Boman doesn’t ask it will never happen.
I would have warmed up to the Schmaltz trade if we could have landed an Arizona first round pick in an upcoming draft.
Problem is, I think that Hawks management believe that they can win now.
My question is….win what?
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Blackhawks lineup in practice
Saad-Toews-Hayden
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Kane
Fortin-Kampf-Kahun
Kunitz-Strome-Kruger
Martinsen & Perlini rotating in
Now that Saad has showed up, I like him with Toews. I doubt Hayden is the long term solution on Toews’ wing. Maybe Perlini?
Finally DCat and Kane playing together – hallelujah! Anisimov works well as Kane’s center but at some point I would think Strome would get a shot there, especially with his history with DCat. If Strome works out there – then Anisimov is very expendable.
I like the “4’s” line, especially because it gives Foley fits when he can’t tell Fortin from Kampf from Kahun.
However the pieces are put together, I’m excited to see how the new guys look. It will probably be at least a few games before JC figures out how the pieces best work together. In a season where I don’t have expectations of team success – changes like this are kinda fun.
D-pairings at practice:
Keith-Forsling
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Manning-Seabrook
Murphy-Rutta
Notice Murphy is practicing which must mean he’s getting close. Murphy is practicing on his off hand which he played when paired with Seabrook last season so that looks like it will remain the same once he’s ready to return. Forsling has looked really good and with Joki regressing a little bit lately I think Keith and Forsling is a good top pair. The d-corps will be much improved with the return of Murphy and the recent addition of Forsling – certainly better than with Manning/Rutta/Davidson in the lineup.
Keith-Forsling
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Murphy-Seabrook
The biggest question that comes to me after this trade is: Who are Pat and Eddie going to whine about now? Saad spent many games in the crosshairs, but that has subsided in favor of whining about Schmaltz. And with him being gone, I just don’t know who they will be targeting as the reason for the team’s poor play. We know it won’t be a core veteran as they never seem to notice the plethora of turnovers, bad pinches and shots that are anything but on target by some of those guys. Ah well – I am sure they will have a game plan for Vegas. Hopefully they can actually talk hockey too.
I like the trade. We were going to be in a bad situation with Schmaltz’s contract next summer unless he took off and became a far more consistent player. Will he ever be good at the dot? Dunno, but Krueger was awful his first couple of years, when he wasn’t getting tossed from the dot. Krueger figured it out. Nick’s skating was definitely as asset and needed in today’s game. But he just didn’t seem to understand how to use it. I’m sensing that Colliton would like a little more contact initiated from his team. We could sure learn to punish the other team’s Dmen. It has been know to cause turnovers.
I look forward to the new look and welcome more changes.
So who is the new target of disgust?
Looks to me like the only “change of scenery” or “fresh start” trades for both sides.
It seems that this chat board rails against getting smaller players and now they don’t like big ones. Let’s see how this plays out before we jump out the basement window.
Schmaltz definitely has talent but I don’t think you win with guys like him that won’t fight for the puck. Gotta get it to possess it. Very frustrating to watch his play and it’s obvious without Foley and Edzo telling us that. He’s finishing his entry level deal this year so you’d think he’d be balls out, right. I just haven’t seen it. TT seemed to be more explosive and talented albeit small but he had a nose for the net. I really thought Schmaltz would develop into a special player but something isn’t right between the ears there. Or maybe it’s just his heart!! We’ll see but I hope the new size upfront will open some space and have a net front presence. I wish him well.
Mark Hunter for GM?
In the theme of “this is a rebuilding year”, let’s use the rest of the season to figure out where Strome, Perlini, Sikura, Joki, Forsling and a few other guys fit – or don’t fit – into the long range plans. There are some players coming off the books after this season and most of them will probably not be re-signed – Kruger, Kunitz, Martinsen, Rutta and Ward. A few guys will need to be re-signed but none of them will require a big pay raise – Kampf, Perlini and Forsling. If Stan can trade Anisimov and/or Manning, the Hawks should have enough Cap space to go after a top level free agent. Stone, Duchene, Panarin, Skinner are all under 30 and very productive.
Schmaltz of course showed flashes of brilliance during his tenure in Chicago. It was noticeable last year that Schmaltz was reticent to go into the dirty areas to get pucks and avoided contact even in open ice. For whatever reason Schmaltz appeared to be losing confidence as the first quarter of this season evolved. There was little emotion. Correctly noted that he would always seem to prefer passing instead of shooting when quality chances presented themselves. Schmaltz was a quality defensive player when he was motivated and possesses deft stick work to strip away pucks. Perhaps he will blossom under a different system. I view Schmaltz the same as Teuvo. Both didn’t develop fast enough compared with expectations, despite showing some high level skills. Pity to send away number one picks.
Pernini has wheels from what I recall and he has a really quick shot release. This kid isn’t tentative about shooting the puck. I don’t know anything about Strome, but hope he fulfills some needs up front. Hawks need more better quality players period in both the forwards and d corps. Shelve Kunitz and play a kid.
I have simply accepted this as a transitional season where we are going to watch some good things on the ice like the 1st period against the Wild, and lots of brutal cringeworthy play such as the Caps and Bolts games in those respective 1st periods. At the start of this season this roster said “not a playoff team”. It still says the same thing. Not enough goal scorers and too many mistake prone d men. Team defensive play just continues to give up a dizzying number of quality scoring chances. At least early in the season the Hawks were scoring plenty of goals. They will need to more of that if they hope to win more than they lose.
Let’s Go Hawks!
Wonder how the hawks will look by the trade deadline.
Saad/Toews/Sikura
Debrincat/Strome/Kane
Perlini/Kampf/Kahun
Fortin/Johnson/Hayden
A look at Edjsell and Louis
Keith/Jokiharju
Forsling/Murphy
Gustafsson/Seabrook
A look at Dahlstrom/Hillman
Crawford and some games for Delia maybe Forsberg
Let Kunitz hit 1k games then retire
Look to trade Anisimov,Kruger, Ward
Waive Martinsen, Manning, Davidson(once healthy)
Then my free agent who I would love to sign would be Mark Stone from Ottawa
Strome had lots of promise 2 years ago-his speed was average in the OHL and translates to below average in the NHL. He has skill but well see if the hockey sense/vision is really good to compensate for the wheels.
A change was necessary-wish we got Domi.
The next player probably on the bubble-Gus–lots of offensive up side and can skate, but needs to move from rover to defense. If he can ever figure out his own end?, he can contribute.
Anyone else think the NHL free agent rules are the worst in all of sports. A team really only has control of players for 3 years after signing their first contract. This has caused young players who are just turning 21 to be RFA and having salaries escalate way too quick before they have proven themselves. It has allowed a 20 year old who get 40 points to get a offer from another team that the current team can’t match. Then you are left with young player with huge contracts that are long.
I don’t know why a team wants to build through the draft with 18 year olds. They are not a good value and in year 4 are being paid on projected production and not actual.
Strome can’t skate, just like Connor Murphy…Bowman is a joke, plain and simple. He could not crack the Arizona lineup as a 3rd pick overall because he is too slow.
52 points last year for Schmaltz playing CENTER!!! NOT WING!!!
He is a great skater and playmaker, exactly what Kane needs. Kane said today! This is all about AA still on this team as a 2nd line center which is another joke because he simply cannot keep up with Kane!!! 6-2-2 when Nick was playing center until Coach Q started screwing up with the lineup…Benched SAAD to 4th line and shoved Schmaltz on the wing where he has never produced in the NHL. League is about speed!!! You think Strome can keep up with Johnson from Tampa or Barzal from Islanders? Answer is no.
Schmaltz like TEUVO will flourish in Arizona…SPEED!!! AT CENTER!!!
Bowman has no vision how to build a team, a team that was built by Tallon. SPEED and SIZE!!!
Schmaltz for Nylander would have been acceptable. SPEED for SPEED. This is a very slow team…Lost Duclair, Vinny and now Schmaltz….
Strome is slower than AA. What Bowman is doing…. this is not the AHL, it is the NHL…Kusnetsov, Crosby, McDavid, Marner,…..etc… Strome will never keep up with these guys… He is a bust. Teuvo and Schmaltz were all about speed and playmaking ability. And they produced early on in their careers unlike Strome who could not crack a horrible team in Arizona, who got the best player of the 3.
Dean Lombardi was available…but probably heading to Philly with Q.
Strome:
Optimistic: Ryan Getzlaf
Pessimistic: Mark McNeill
Perlini:
Optimistic: JVR
Pessimistic: Rob Klinkhammer
Tab, TT did have a problem pulling the trigger. We all bitched about it- you too. In any event, I am on board for this trade. Schmaltz wasn’t getting the job done.
Remember when he got 5 points (I think) in that opener against the Pens. Then got hurt shortly afterward. Lost his rhythm. Otherwise, perhaps he could have had a huge year. Shoulda, coulda, but his whole career, including college, he disappeared for long stretches.
What would need to happen for this to be a good trade for the Hawks, regardless of how well or poorly Schmaltz does in AZ? What would be a realistic hope/expectation for Strome and Perlini?
Personally I am shooting for at least 0.5 PPG from each of these guys for the rest of the year. Around 30 points each for the next 59 games with steady improvement over the course of the year.
Whether this actually happens or not is not what I am asking, but rather what needs to happen for this not to be a bad trade for the Hawks. Is this goal/expectation too much? Not enough? Just right?
Here is an excerpt from an interview with The Athletic on Saturday night. Putting the blame on Q for his summer signings. What a classless, limp dick.
Bowman said he targeted Kunitz and Manning because they appeared to fit Quenneville’s type of game.
“Part of your job as a manager is to try to work with your coach to try to give them players that can implement the way they want to play,”
https://theathletic.com/673938/2018/11/25/stan-bowman-on-the-state-of-the-blackhawks-common-misconceptions-and-ignoring-his-critics/
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I’m calling BS on the kunitz signing; maybe I’m wrong but I would wager Kunitz approached the blackhawks and not the way around. His wife is from illinois.
Kunitz might be a good player on some teams but not this one; not with what they are trying to do; almost anyone else would have been a better signing. They don’t need a veteran cup winner……they have several already!
Miroslav, for the trade to be a success these guys would play a part in bringing the Blackhawks back to contenders again. Play a productive part for a few years, being productive this season is good but not what is most needed from them to me. Strome plays hard but has to show his game is NHL calibur, Perlini has the tools but consistency, effort wise is the knock on him, so i hope they prove the negatives wrong. Schmaltz i was a fan of and hope he does well but basing these guys success on his is not being logical.
Hull: we need size and speed!
*bowman acquires perlini*
Hull: not like thaaaaaat!
Hull 2 days ago: our forward depth sucks!
*bowman makes 2 depth acquisitions*
Hull: not like thaaaaaat!
BUY MERCHANDISE
That would be even worse. In the cap era, you are willing to spend 1 Mil to help a guy to retire in the city he is comfortable in. It is always easier to spend somebody else’s money, isn’t it?
I am willing to bet a good lunch that when and if he is fired, Bowman will never be a GM in NHL.
Peace
Wasn’t a Schmaltz fan – not a smart hockey player IMO and probably a soft one as well
Doesn’t mean Strome and Perlini will work out with the Hawks but a player like Strome who is an average skater (not terrible) and big may take a little longer to develop – he’s got the puck skills and a great shot – he needs to be able to slow down the play around him to neutralize his average skating
I think the 2 for 1 nature of deal makes a good one for the Hawks and hopefully both Strome and Perlini find their games in CHI
i could move Keith and Seabrook for several young studs with smaller but longer contracts- in a heartbeat.
If this were a video game and i controlled all 31 teams.
It’d be nice for those who are demanding that they be moved to provide a list of teams they think are out there chomping at the bit to add them to their roster.
Or just any team.
Last year I remember commenting that if the 2014 draft was re-done Schmaltz would have been a top 10 pick. It is shocking to see how far he regressed this year. I think this is a good trade if one guy is a solid top 6 and one a solid top 9. Our depth is horrible and I hope this can bring some improvement along with a more physical approach and future upside.
The X factor in this might be the coaching. If Colliton can coax more out of Strome and Perlini than what he was getting out of Schmaltz, it might sway the trade in our favor.
We shall see, starting tomorrow.
Agree with Craig. Keen to see how they respond to Colliton.
Also a fan of the move. Eggs in 2 baskets > eggs in 1 basket, especially on a team that lacks forward depth.
Schmaltz regressed? Seriously, he is not a winger, he is a center who had 52 points last year. AA had 44 playing alongside Panarin and Kane. Once again, the winner of any trade is who gets the best player and in this case ARIZONA got the best player. Not sure why they where trying to convert him into a rugged winger when he had and proved last year that he was a playmaking center. We all saw the body language of Kane playing alongside Toews. It does not work. He cannot play his game. With Panarin or Schmaltz, he did. I cannot imagine Strome skating as a 2nd line center in the NHL when he can’t keep up with anyone. He is slower than AA. Once again, pro scouting and Bowman are embarassing themselves. I like Perlini which maybe we could have gotten for a prospect like Wise and Dalstrom.
AA and Strome make our centers amongst the slowest in the league. So what games are JC and Bowman watching? AHL or ECHL? AA is not a second line center. So we lose a potential great playmaking 2nd line center for Strome who cannot skate. Where is the upside?
Everytime someone posts with the letters JC in it, it looks like Jesus Christ. We could use some faith.
Travis, I said Perlini is good NHL player…Maybe a 3rd liner…because he has speed and size. But Strome? His brother has the same problem, no speed. Schmaltz has more upside than any of the Strome family and he proved last year playing alongside Kane as a CENTER not a WINGER.
I agree with DREW, Bowman will never get a job in NHL unless his dad undermines the Panthers and gets TALLON fired so he can be close to his son in Florida.
I like 8 hope he does well where he goes.
Want the new guys to be good.
Apparently it was Schmaltzs contract demands from his agent that triggered the move, according to reports.
At the start of last season Schmaltz suffered a concussion going hard to the net on a Kane goal, not wanting to risk another one seemed to take the aggressiveness out of his game. Hard to blame someone for that, although some will try to.
That was what i was getting at Craig naybe Colliton can make a difference in this trade.
Two for one is good if it indeed becomes for one on the ice long term.
Same with Hartman trade could become a difference maker for the Blackhawks.
Hull 65-you are right about AA and Strome-which makes me think that this helps to make AA expendable, but I’m not sure we would get a lot in return, but one of the playoff teams might want his size and skill.
Travis is right though-the Hawks just got bigger (one of your complaints), more guys from the CHL (another complaint) and less soft (another complaint)-let’s give this a chance and see if it helps.
I love that Schmaltz had lots of speed to back up opposing D men but it doesn’t work well when they know he will never drive the net nor will he shoot so it’s way too easy to defend. NS also plays way too scared and afraid of contact. I get the TT comparison as he played afraid as well but TT had hockey sense/IQ well above NS and didn’t throw the puck away.
Also NS was going to demand a salary that was more that what the Hawks were willing to spend. I hear people complain about overpaying players, for once Bowman is taking the right approach and not overpaying. NS will probably not score more than 21 goals again without a Kane like player which Arizona doesn’t have.
If the Hawks move AA and insert Strome how does that make the Hawks a slower team? Perlini is fast skater and has a very heavy shot. I’m intrigued by what these two new players will bring to the club. Like I said I liked NS and thought he was a dynamic skater and handled the puck well but never seemed to do much with it. It was almost like he watched Kane do it so much he tried to copy that style but NS you are no Kane.
For the advanced stat nerds and those that hate the trade. Strome and Perlini had the 2 highest shots for % on Arizona this year.
Good points by most re: the forward situation — or lack thereof. Bowman is now on the record (multiple times the last couple days) repeating himself that bottom six needs beefing up, need production from bottom six, we need centers, blah blah blah. He put the Hawks in the situation that they’re in w/ horrendous trades and obsessive drafting of D-men at the top of the draft.
I will give him credit, Kusharev is going to be a very good NHL player, Enstwhistle looks like he has a good shot as well. This is why drafting Joe Veleno was a no brainer. The GM says they lack depth at center, and a higher skilled, healthy version of Bolland Jr. is right there for the taking, and he passed. Bad decision, and it will continue to be one, just like trading Danault. Imagine Toews, Danault, & Veleno in a couple years down the middle.
Imagine is all we can do, b/c that train left the station a long time ago.
No doubt they will shoot more but the 5% and 7% shooting %s need to improve before that means much.
Hull, Schmaltz as a winger or center is the same player. All kinds of potential but no desire to further his game, some call it heart. His play makes Teuvo look like Bob Probert, until this kid gets grit in his game he will be ordinary at best. He may fit best on a 4th line somewhere but not on anyones 2nd line at center.
Does anyone know how the adjusted goal/assist per game works under the NHL Miscellanous heading on hockey reference? Here is a link to Dylan Strome: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/stromdy01.html I’m only guessing but if that stat means anything it seems to state that Strome has been better than his point production suggests. If you look at Perlini’s page you will see the same upward trend on that specific stat. If anyone can explain that I’d appreciate it.
Nm. I found the explanation. It’s just a stat that extrapolated for a full 82 game season with a roster if 18 players. https://www.hockey-reference.com/about/adjusted_stats.html
Excited to see Strome and Perlini in the game tonight. They didn’t do line rushes at practice today so we’ll have to wait until the game to see how JC combo’s them up. It was reported that both new guys will play with Kunitz and Martinsen sitting out – something to celebrate right there. They had PP practice and Keith was not on either PP unit – another thing to celebrate.
Vegas is a fast team and therefore I expect a lot of Chinese fire drills in the d-zone tonight, especially if Joki can’t play (he didn’t practice today due to illness – gametime decision) … but, what else is new?
Good point on these guys scoring 40 pts/82game and that were adding players that will be part of the 23man when were really deep/2yrs.
Still could get this Valeno person in a trade during next 2 yrs.
I do want Danault back though. He could come back to. Bowman and crew got Saader back, Bread Man might be next and then players like those.
I do like the guy saying get Stone. Sometimes you just need to say it.
Mo, Habs probably not going to let french kid Danault go. Center looks ok with Kurashev and Entwistle as possibilties, 1st draft pick next year good odds with number of centers available could be a future top 6 center. If Strome pans out, be ok. Wise got a couple of years left in ncaa to develop yet too, not a lost cause yet by any means. Free agency could bring one too. Duchene and others available if they want to go that route, plus other draft picks ahead.
Need to play a big game tonight or could be long week ahead.
ER – no Keith on either PP unit and no Schmaltz either obviously
I’ll be breaking out the tequila tonight!!
Yea, that’s cool. We loaded up on D, now get to work making FW/C deeper prospect/player wise.
Were really going to be looking good depth wise in 2 yrs and in 10 mths we should be way better then this yr. Cant wait.
The first thing that went through my mind after hearing that Strome went 3rd in the draft was, gulp, Cam Barker. OK, am thinking positively. Not going to be a repeat this time.
I stand by my earlier comment that this is a good trade for us. If both players turn out to be solid third-liners, this is a win. We only have one good pivot, so be grateful to have acquired a quality player at the dot, maybe too slow for second-line, but very good for third-line. We also get depth, size, strength, and youth. It is questionable whether Schmaltz will be a top six player and he certainly does not possess strength or courage to fight for the puck or be a good forechecker. Eliminating his future contract is a plus.
Keep in mind that Boqvist and Beadin are smallish players, as are Sikura, Johnson and others. We just received some badly needed heft.
Have been critical of Bowman over the years, but I think he made a sound decision, as he did with trading Shaw and Hartman. Even Hjalmarsson for Murphy may turn out to be the right move to acquire a much younger, although less-skilled player.
Of course, with any trade, we may not know for a couple of years who fared better. Be patient with Strome and Perlini before drawing conclusions. It may take half a season or longer.
Decisions about AA, Seabrook, Keith, long-term replacement for Crawford, etc. remain, but, for now, I think the Blackhawks are heading in the right direction.
Orig-6 – Toews also went #3 so he purged and bad juju left from the Barker pick.
Try this again …
Orig-6 – Toews also went #3 so he purged ANY bad juju left from the Barker pick.
With Schmaltz we pretty much knew what we had but Strome and Perlini are unknown entities. Perlini scored 30 pts last year getting 3rd line minutes, has speed, and a decent hockey sense for finding the net.
Bowman gambled with this trade but it’s a sound and logical gamble. Strome’s friendship and on ice chemistry with D-cat suggests a renewal of fortune is not only possible but probable and if he can be a 55% positive face-off center while accruing a .5 + point per game average that would be a win, but the fact Chayka was willing to part with this 3rd overall pick in addition to another top 20 pick makes me hesitant to believe my most optimistic hopes will become reality. As so many of you have already intoned: we will see. Bowman still needs to go after this season imo.
Correct spelling is Beaudin in my post above.
Thanks ER. No more thinking of the Barker pick. Hopefully, it’s a matter of the two players going to a better organization with the highest-quality fans to re-ignite their potential.
Am not an ESPN+ subscriber but they gave the Hawks an A-:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/25380383/nhl-trade-grades-dylan-strome-nick-schmaltz-deal-chicago-blackhawks-arizona-coyotes
Krugs was a good faceoff guy at/around 55% after first yr, then had injury/is why he isint 55, 50ish isint bad/its good.
This Strome guy can be around 55%, now we have two faceoff guys again. This can make a difference. Besides regular play, would have 2nd PP unit starting in zone instead of that stinking rout beer entrys.
Nothing against Colliton but firing Q was the wrong decision. This team has been worse without him. They don’t know what to do because Q had a system even if it wasn’t working anymore. Colliton might be a good coach but who knows. It takes time to implement a system and who knows how the players are really reacting to the coaching change.
We are the Buffalo Bills 2018 of the NHL.
or
wait until we have a better defense/roster..
This 0-6-2 stretch and games like this could be the difference in another top 3/5 pick that’s will be way better then getting a 16-22 pick player.
We can still win half our games and get a pick/player like that.
We havnt done good in some games but were nowhere near the worst team, bottom 10 maybe without a full roster.
Were not getting a elite franchise player like Saquan Barkley. They only come around as often as a Toews or Kane does.