Could the Blackhawks Trade Nikita Zadorov to Vancouver?

With the Seattle expansion draft looming, Chicago could lose a veteran defenseman to the Kraken. But they’re also in need of making a decision on the future of another big body: Nikita Zadorov.

Zadorov, 26, is a restricted free agent. According to the guys at The Athletic, Zadorov’s camp is seeking five years with a $5.85 million AAV. And there’s almost no way the Blackhawks could – or should – meet those demands.

Which makes Zadorov trade bait.

And Vancouver could be a match.

On Thursday, Canucks GM Jim Benning commented on the state of his blue line.

So the Canucks are looking to add size, you say?

Chicago GM Stan Bowman has a good relationship with Benning. He made two deals with Vancouver this season, first sending forward Matthew Highmore to the Canucks for forward Adam Gaudette in April and then dealing defenseman Madison Bowey and a 5th round pick in the 2021 NHL Draft to the Vancouver Canucks for a 4th round pick in the 2021 NHL Draft.

How about a third deal that makes sense for both sides?

Vancouver has the number one goaltender of their present and future on the payroll. Thatcher Demko has shown the ability to be the man for the Canucks, and he has five years remaining on his contract at $5M per.

But the Canucks are also paying their backup, former Stanley Cup champion Braden Holtby, on the payroll for $4.3M for one more year. That’s a lot of money tied up between the pipes.

Could a deal of Zadorov for Holtby (perhaps with other pieces involved) make sense for both organizations?

Chicago got a long look at their young netminders this past season. Kevin Lankinen looks like he’s ready to be a quality NHL goaltender, but the Hawks are also working with Malcolm Subban and Collin Delia. And none of those three appears to be a guy who takes the Hawks back into the postseason in 2022.

Holtby, though arguably with his best years in the rearview mirror, would be a solid upgrade in net for the Blackhawks. He has championship experience and, with one year remaining on his contract at 31 years old, could be driven to perform well enough to get another multi-year deal in the NHL.

Holtby would provide some level of stability between the pipes for Chicago at a reasonable commitment of only one year.

For Vancouver, Zadorov would check the boxes Benning outlined on the radio Thursday morning. And his play did improve in Chicago this past season. Though his asking price may be too much for the Blackhawks, Vancouver may be more willing to meet the years and/or money he’s asking for as a RFA.

88 thoughts on “Could the Blackhawks Trade Nikita Zadorov to Vancouver?

  • June 24, 2021 at 12:54 pm
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    Good suggestion. But I’m not sure I’d want Holtby. There will be lots of goalies available, many better than him. Many cheaper than him.

    Khudobin will be exposed. Rantaa available. Mrazek, Reimer, bernier, smith, driedger, Allen, Rinne, Elliot, Anderson all will be available, most UFAs you could get without giving up an asset, and only one or two would cost more per year than Holtby. And any of these guys would probably outplay him.

    So not sure that is the best use of an asset we are trying to move, one year of a substandard overpaid goalie.

  • June 24, 2021 at 1:02 pm
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    Why would Big Z want to stay here when you got a coach who hasn’t a clue about coaching, publicly harp on him about his physicality??? He’s the only player on our team that other teams have to watch out for so of course StanBo would want to get rid of him. I would have told StanBo the same amount knowing full well that he wont pay it. If you aren’t going to use him like they should of course you should probably get rid of him. A soft team will get softer, but this is a “rebuild” as some call it so we should just sit back and watch him turn this into a fiasco. Get this clown out of the GM’s chair and take his “boy wonder” with him.

  • June 24, 2021 at 1:24 pm
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    Maybe Zadorov for a draft pick or a prospect or both.
    Agree with hereismike.

  • June 24, 2021 at 1:45 pm
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    I say take holtby, it’s only 1 more year on his contract.
    Zadorov, Subban and a 4th rnd pick for Holtby and a 3rd rnd pick…..

  • June 24, 2021 at 1:47 pm
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    If it were Holtby plus a prospect that makes more sense I think

    But the concept of trading Z and protecting Stillman is a good one

  • June 24, 2021 at 1:58 pm
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    @Beer League

    I’ll take that deal, you can always move Holtby at the TDL for assets

  • June 24, 2021 at 2:22 pm
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    This is all so meaningless. I doubt it will make the least bit of difference next year (or the year after).

  • June 24, 2021 at 3:03 pm
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    why take on holby’s contract? get a prospect or a draft choice or let zadorov walk.

  • June 24, 2021 at 4:29 pm
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    Do the Deal Stan Bowman a Holtby for Zadorov Deal is a steal

  • June 24, 2021 at 5:05 pm
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    re: Hereismike’s comment – yes, there are UFAs who could be had for free. But the Hawks could add to a position of need AND get a piece off the books they need to move. And I’m not sure how many of the UFAs hitting the market will be under-$3M.

    Like I said, this wouldn’t likely be a straight-up deal (pick swap, potential other role players) but I’m on board w/ the idea of making room for a kid on the blue line while improving the goaltending position.

  • June 24, 2021 at 5:55 pm
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    All for moving Zadorov rather than pay him 6m per, although he can be a physical force on a blueline lacking that type of defenseman. Goaltending didn’t crash and burn last year, with Soderblom’s potential, i would kinda like to see what they can do. Blocking or moving young goalies out for Holtby for what may only be a year is sorta anti developing, unless management is convinced their options can’t cut it, which i’m not but maybe so.

  • June 24, 2021 at 6:31 pm
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    If Holtby is only a Hawk for year to give Soderblom some time and mentor Lank I’m fine with that

  • June 24, 2021 at 6:38 pm
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    I haven’t worked out the cap stuff but it seems the Hawks will have some cap space next season to take on a bad contract … well … Vancouver has Loui Ericsson on the books for one more year ($6M) they would love to get rid of. Maybe work that into a deal with Zadorov going to them to get Holtby, swap 1st round picks (#11 for #9) and pick up a 2nd or 3rd.

  • June 24, 2021 at 6:52 pm
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    I like the idea of making a trade with Vancouver, however I have a different proposal..Vancouver needs cap space as well as an upgrade along the blue line..they have to sign Q Hughes and E Pettersson to their next contracts..whether they’re short term or long term, they need some cap space for both of them + they only have 3 defensemen signed for next year as Harmonic and Elder are both UFA..so here’s what I think the Hawks should do:

    Hawks trade the RFA rights to Zadorov and Malcolm Subban to Vancouver
    Vancouver trades Holtby, Eriksson, their 2nd and 3rd in 2021 and their 1st in 2022 to the Hawks

    Vancouver frees up cap space by moving the last year of Eriksson’s contract and the last year of Holtby’s contract..they now have the cap space to sign Zadorov and work on new deals for Hughes and Pettersson..they also receive an inexpensive backup goaltender back in Subban..

    The Hawks essentially get a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in 2021 for Zadorov and a 1st round pick in 2022 for absorbing Vancouver’s salary dump..this is how you rebuild a team..attack the draft with volume that you acquire by helping another team dig themselves out of cap hell.

  • June 24, 2021 at 6:53 pm
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    Testing . testing . testing … comments disappeared.

  • June 24, 2021 at 6:54 pm
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    … and they’re back. Computers!

  • June 24, 2021 at 7:16 pm
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    Slayer – I doubt Vancouver would trade their ticket to get into the Shane Wright derby for cap relief.

  • June 24, 2021 at 7:48 pm
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    Sooo…now we know that Seabrook,Shaw and Nylander won’t need to be protected at the expansion Draft …really good news

  • June 24, 2021 at 7:55 pm
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    Tons-o-money Zadorov is asking for in exchange for his escapades on the ice

  • June 24, 2021 at 8:44 pm
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    One way or another, I don’t think Z is staying.

  • June 24, 2021 at 9:05 pm
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    Now that we know Seabrook, Shaw and Nylander don’t have to be protected – what about Toews – is there a chance he won’t have to be protected? Also, does Borgstrom need to be protected?

    So Keith, Murphy and Stillman are the protected d-men, Lankinen is the protected goalie, and Kane, D-Cat, Kubalik, Strome, and Hagel are 5 of the 7 forwards – who are the other 2 forwards?

  • June 24, 2021 at 10:18 pm
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    Vegas !….. ..bye bye Lehner.
    Hawks will have their 2 round draft choice … just gain 2 spot

  • June 24, 2021 at 11:07 pm
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    My opinion is a dichotomy. Obviously, the Hawks need physical players like Zadorov.
    Under normal circumstances, I’d keep him after bartering him down a bit. However, Colliton is too much of a wimp of a coach to know how to use him anyway. So, why keep him? Colliton is a librarian without intelligence.

  • June 24, 2021 at 11:16 pm
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    So we found out that Montreal is a better HOCKEY TEAM than Vegas.

  • June 24, 2021 at 11:22 pm
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    ER – Borgstrom needs to be protected but Kubalik doesn’t

    Likely FWs T,K Cat Hagel Borg Strome Gaudette to be protected IMO

    Love seeing Vegas and their no difference maker forward group go out – same thing happened last year so instead of getting a dynamic forward they blew their wad on Pietrangelo who played great but defense wasn’t really what they needed more of

    The fact the Petro was their most dangerous skater over 6 games tells you everything about the Vegas offence – too many straight line players not enough generators

  • June 25, 2021 at 12:45 am
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    Where does Vegas go from here. Their core doesn’t appear good enough or after this series fast enough to win it all anymore. Most players locked up long term and very little capspace. Their 550m pmentry price and gathering of assets called an expansion draft got them competitive but they didn’t build much of a pipeline to develop secondary scoring and other depth from within. Tough decisions coming there in next year or 2.

    Wrap if all 3 of those goalies, Lankinen, Soderblom and Holtby were carried on Nhl roster and Holtby dealt before tdl, that might work, don’t see the benefit otherwise. Unless his Swedish club waives their contract rights to Soderholm for next season, he won’t be lent to Rfd., not a case of players choice in this instance.

  • June 25, 2021 at 1:09 am
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    I don’t like the Holtby option. I’m ok with a vet or two to flip at TDL again next year, but blocking a goalie path isn’t on my list of things to do. That’s where I differ from many here – the playoffs are not my goal for next year. I want growth and development. JC will be judged more completely with a 2nd year of developing a system with players he controls, not a bunch of vets who are pissed off. Agree with Ian here that we need to keep the goalie slot open to evaluate why we have and Holtby stops that. Only exception to my path is a salary dump taken on with plenty of value added.

    We can start filling the gaps after next season.

    Vegas is proof that a team needs balance, not just physical presence. I agree Petro was the wrong piece, and now they are gonna have to make a move to subtract some grit and add some talent. The best goalie tandem in the league couldn’t stop them from not being able to score. But the best goalie in the league could.

    Montreal is more dangerous than ever when Price is on his game. He’s the wild card in the next round too. Odds are gonna be high against them for the Cup.

    Just like the last three rounds.

  • June 25, 2021 at 2:03 am
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    Thanks Wrap. I like that we can protect those 7 forwards – really the only potential loss would be Kampf with his defense and faceoffs – but much easier to replace than the potential of Borgstrom and Gaudette.

  • June 25, 2021 at 5:36 am
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    I don’t think the Blackhawks need to worry about Seattle taking one of their goalies. If teams can protect only 1 goalie, there will be plenty of other goalies available that are far more experienced and arguably much better than the 3 goalies Chicago has.

    Teams can protect 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and 1 goalie, or 8 skaters (forwards/defensemen) and 1 goalie. Below is the most-likely 8 skater scenario according to CapFriendly. So, if you are Seattle, who would you choose?

    Forwards:
    Must be Protected: Kane, Toews*
    Likely Protected: DeBrincat, Connolly
    Up for Grabs: Gaudette, Kampf, Hagel, Hinostroza

    Defense:
    Must be Protected: Keith
    Likely Protected: Murphy, DeHaan, Stillman
    Up for Grabs: Zadorov**

    Goal:
    Likely Protected: Lankinen

    *IF, IF, IF Toews is going to come back (which I still doubt)
    **IF the Blackhawks don’t trade him 1st

  • June 25, 2021 at 8:48 am
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    Why would the Hawks protect Connolly? Am I missing something?

    He doesn’t have a NMC as far as I know and is not a long term piece

  • June 25, 2021 at 8:50 am
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    The Hawks IMO will go 7 -3 – 1 for the expansion draft not the 8 skater option

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:17 am
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    The Athletic has another article out where a former player from 2010 claims the entire team knew about the alleged abuse of the 2 players. As this continues to perculate during the playoffs and now into the finals, Bettman is likely stewing and steaming. We all know how the little big man hates a story overshadowing the playoffs, let alone the finals.

    Petri’s mature action of breaking the tv camera in the penalty box may cost him his new national automobile commercials running on tv. He wouldn’t be working for me anyway.

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:18 am
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    Pietrangelo. Thanks auto correct.

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:33 am
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    Hawk 2010 I believe we got Vegas 2020 2nd round pick which was last year and turned into Goalie Drew Commeso. He is off to a great start to his college career in Boston. I think he will play in the NHL for sure but too early to tell how good he will be. I think Lehner isn’t worth his contract and he has always shared the net and never been a clear cut number 1, so a good deal for Chicago.

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:34 am
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    Protect Connolly? No way – he’s second to only deHaan in hoping Seattle relieves the Hawks of their cap hit and roster spot.

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:37 am
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    Mattias Janmark got us a Vegas 2nd round this draft.

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:59 am
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    Since Dr Seuss has fallen victim to the Woke crowd, I thought I would pay tribute to him with this:

    Do you like
    Jeremy or Stan?

    I do not like them,
    Stan-the-Man.
    I do not like
    Jeremy or Stan.

    Would you like them
    Here or there?

    I would not like them
    here or there.
    I would not like them
    anywhere.
    I do not like
    Jeremy or Stan.

    Would you like them
    at your house?
    Would you let them
    near your spouse?

    I do not like them
    in my house.
    I do not like them
    near my spouse.
    I do not like them
    here or there.
    I do not like them
    anywhere.
    I do not like Jeremy and Stan.

    You may like them.
    You will see.
    You may like them
    In a year of three?

    I would not, could not, in year or three.
    Not by far! You let me be.
    I do not like them at the game
    I do not like them cuz’ they’re lame
    I do not like them in my house
    I do not like them near my spouse
    I do not like them here or there.
    I do not like them anywhere.
    I do not like Jeremy and Stan.
    I do not like Stan-the-Man.

  • June 25, 2021 at 9:59 am
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    Slayer, I think you`re Vancouver trade proposal is pretty well thought out. I agree with EB as well that they likely wouldn`t give up their first round pick in 2022 but perhaps another 2nd and 3rd instead. Holtby with his 1 year remaining could be moved again at the Trade Deadline for more draft capital so it`s another win for the Hawks.
    In no way whatsoever should the Hawks protect Connolly. He did nothing in his tryout with the hawks, absolutely nothing. He got us Borgstom and Stillman and that`s all we`re going to get out of him.

  • June 25, 2021 at 10:11 am
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    Wrap and EB, did you read the part about ‘according to CapFriendly’?

    Not my circus. Not my clowns.

  • June 25, 2021 at 12:24 pm
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    JG – did you read Capfriendly? I looked at it as I have many times and didn’t see anything on there about Connolly likely being protected

    Maybe you’re mistaken??

    Glad to be corrected if I’m wrong

  • June 25, 2021 at 12:55 pm
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    WIJG – apologies, I misunderstood your post. I thought it strange you wanted to protect Connolly. You and I disagree now and then but I never took you for an idiot … well … not a complete idiot anyway. :=)

  • June 25, 2021 at 1:31 pm
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    You’d have to add a lot of sweeteners to make Zadorov palatable to any GM out there. He might be worth a second round pick. As the astute posters on this blog know he’s not very good and giving up assets to get him out of town isn’t worth it. Hawks need every asset they have and then some.

  • June 25, 2021 at 1:31 pm
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    I’m on board with Slayer’s plan of trading with Canucks, or something very similar to what he said. Also I don’t know what the numbers said about Z, but the eye test was just frickin HORRIBLE. I do realize the Hawks need some size on the blue line, but he ain’t it. I saw on one of the playoff games listing the size of all 4 final 4 teams blue lines, and yes they are all much bigger than the Hawks.
    I am looking forward to the moves and draft coming up, it should be a Very interesting summer for the Hawks. Plenty of action coming and just hope the good Stan-bo shows up.
    Lastly about big Z, I did not see enough of the world championships this year of Russia. But, I thought I heard good things mentioned about Z from the announcers and that he played MAJOR minutes for them. Don’t know if any of you can confirm that, maybe it was just Z not doing well in Colitons scheme. I just know he looked out of position WAY too often for the Hawks.

  • June 25, 2021 at 2:25 pm
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    Bill- Zadarov was out of position on a regular basis during his time in Colorado, too.

  • June 25, 2021 at 2:28 pm
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    The Hawks need to think about stockpiling picks, because I think the league is gonna come down hard on them for their handling, or complete lack thereof regarding this 2010 sexual assault ordeal. Not a good look for the organization or the NHL, and it could cost the Hawks a lot of dough as well aa draft collateral.

  • June 25, 2021 at 2:58 pm
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    Could this scandal take down Stan Bowman and Al MacIsaac?

    Three reasons to think so:

    1. Bettman’s butt hurts from the bad PR
    2. Danny Boy Wirtz is part of the Woke crowd
    3. Everyone is totally disgusted and pissed off about what happened

    Too bad they can’t bring Marc Bergevin in to replace Stan – he was Director of Player Personnel with the Blackhawks when things went down

  • June 25, 2021 at 4:58 pm
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    Wrap – I went back and checked the Capfriendly simulator and they had Connolly, Carpenter, Strome and DeBrincat, Kane and Toews designated as “players who meet or are projected to meet the exposure requirements are highlighted in green”.

    BUT, they had in the left column a check box for a given scenario (don’t know who checked them – if it was me it was by accident) that had Toews, Kane, DeBrincat and Connolly checked (selected for protection) along with Keith deHaan, Murphy and Stillman.

    You can change the selections all you want.

    As far as I am concerned, DeBrincat and Hagel are the only significant forwards in my opinion, other than Toews and Kane.

  • June 25, 2021 at 5:31 pm
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    JG – so that just means that those players all meet the requirements to be exposed and they have to expose 2 Fws that those requirements

    Connolly and Carpenter fit the bill there – those checked boxes are for people to play around with making their own protected lists not what Cap Friendly is projecting to be the protected list – big difference

    Connolly won’t be protected

    My guess as to protected Fws – Toews Kane Hagel Cat Strome Gaudette Borgstrom

    Although Strome could be traded

  • June 25, 2021 at 5:31 pm
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    *meet those requirements

  • June 25, 2021 at 7:15 pm
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    If we donot really want Holtby then we can make another trade with him in it and get rid of the Zadorov person in the process.

    Might then get more or have more trade options with Holtby to trade with.

  • June 25, 2021 at 7:49 pm
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    Wijg, will these lawsuits take down Bowman, certainly have to wonder where it is leading, it’s also hard not to notice as of July 1st Hossa is officially retired and could be a strong candidate to step into Gm job that hasn’t been filled yet. He would be a good fit for both fans and players, plus allow the legal issuesto play out with less impact on day to day on ice business.

  • June 25, 2021 at 8:55 pm
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    I saw something on another Hawks blog a couple weeks ago that I dismissed as nonsense but since then I’ve seen more info on the sexual assault charge that lends some credence to the speculation – the speculation ties Toews mysterious “illness” to the sexual assault story. No details were given – just pure speculation with what seemed like “out of left field” nuttery when I first read it. Now that the info has come out that every player on the 2010 team knew of the allegations – I’d be surprised if Toews didn’t throw his 2 cents into the internal conversation and now that this has come out, maybe there is some truth to his sitting out last season because he is named in the litigation or he has a problem with the way the team is handling it. Still just pure speculation but so is every other possibility for Toews not playing last season so I’m throwing it into the mix.

  • June 25, 2021 at 10:47 pm
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    Toews Kane DCat Guadette Borg Hagel Dickenson

    Murphy Keith Stillman

    Lank

    Need to trade Z for something. Like the Vancouver scenario for Holtby. If he shows promise maybe keep but would prefer to flip him at TDL and pick up a boat load. Same for Eriksson if we get more assets. 23 1st rounder is my choice.

  • June 25, 2021 at 11:35 pm
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    ER – this is pure speculation on my part but I was wondering if McDonough’s firing is related to the sexual assault lawsuit

    Did the Hawks know this suit was coming for a while? McDonough was the most senior person in the room when the allegations were revealed by the skills coach

    Did McD make the decision to not report the allegations? I don’t know but it never seemed McD’s firing made all that much sense

    Maybe Danny knew about the coming suit and insisted McD go?

    Like I said pure speculation

  • June 26, 2021 at 5:51 am
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    Wrap that’s what i was thinking as well was maybe the McDonough firing, being senior executive involved and Danny Wirtz taking the off ice role over was too get the organization through this issue as much as anything now.

  • June 26, 2021 at 6:01 am
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    ER – As far as anyone knows, the Blackhawks are still paying Toews his $10.5 million. I cannot believe they would do that for a disgruntled player who has chosen to sit out the season.

    Bettman must be having nightmares about Bergevin’s role and the bad PR / distraction it may cause to the the NHL and Montreal’s Cinderella story.

    Another point not to be overlooked is that Danny Wirtz is working really hard to attract a wider, more diverse, fanbase. This story is a major impediment to that.

    Bowman may not be worth protecting.

    The witching hours are rapidly approaching – Expansion Draft July 21, Entry Draft July 23, Free Agency July 28.

    Time will tell.

  • June 26, 2021 at 6:57 am
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    When I gave my opinion at the end of the season that this organization needed a major culture change from the team president down to the training staff, little did I know that this pending disaster was on the horizon. I would think that in the next few months that we will see quite a few resignations from upper management and some movement of previously untouchable players so as to preemptively attempt to diffuse this nuclear bomb. Let the purge begin with Bowman and the real Toews story. What a tragedy that a previously ultra desirable place to play and work will be turned into a scorched earth toxic wasteland.

  • June 26, 2021 at 8:07 am
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    This goes far beyond the players and Bowman. The lawsuits list the organization which means the owners, then lists the top executives in order. This could potentially lead to a situation where the ownership may be in question, if everyone in the organization was aware, obviously they must have been as well, the team could be sold yet, who knows. Firing Bowman to appease a few bandwagoners or trading a few players and trying to legitimize Toews conspiracy theories has no real impact on what is happening in the courts right now.

  • June 26, 2021 at 8:27 am
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    Hypothetical Syllogism:

    1. Fact: Toews was on the LTIR for the entire 2020-21 season

    According to the NHL website:
    “A club may place a player on the Injured Reserve List if such player is injured, disabled or ill and unable to perform his duties as a hockey player after having passed the Club’s initial physical examination in that season.

    “All determinations that a player has suffered an injury warranting injured reserve status must be made by the Club’s medical staff and in accordance with the Club’s medical standards.

    Logical Conclusion: Toews has/had a legitimate medical condition. Rule out the Sniffles and/or being disgruntled choosing to sit out the season.

    2. Fact: Toews has not been seen in public (in person) and has not disclosed anything about his condition.

    According to the NHL website:

    “Players on Injured Reserve may attend Club meetings and meals, travel with the Club and participate in practice sessions.

    Logical Conclusion: Whatever is ailing Toews, it is serious enough to preclude him from participating in any Club activities. Or, due to COVID-19 he was unable / unwilling to do so.

    3. Fact: Some medical conditions are hard to diagnose and may require a process of elimination and/or a variety of testing.

    According to WebMD: “There’s no single test that can diagnose ALS. It takes a variety of exams, tests, and scans to figure out whether you have ALS or something else.

    According to The Mayo Clinic: “There’s no single test to confirm a diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome.

    According to Parkinson.org: “There is no “one way” to diagnose Parkinson’s disease (PD). However, there are various symptoms and diagnostic tests used in combination. Making an accurate diagnosis of Parkinson’s — particularly in its early stages — is difficult

    Logical Conclusion: It could be anything, from something easily and accurately diagnosed to something difficult and requiring a lengthy diagnosis. It could also be something that is: A) Treatable and lead to a full recovery. B) Manageable but precludes a return. C) Debilitating – slowly or quickly – and is career and/or life ending.

    4. Fact: Professional athletes have successfully recovered from a wide variety of non-injury related, severe medical conditions. Including:
    Magic Johnson – HIV
    Lance Armstrong – Testicular Cancer
    Mario Lemieux – spinal disc herniation, Hodgkin’s lymphoma, chronic tendinitis of a hip flexor muscle, and chronic back pain
    Jon Lester – Lymphoma
    Paul Azinger – non-Hodgkins Lymphoma
    Trevor Immelman – Pancreatic Tumor
    Alonzo Mourning – Kidney Disease / Transplant

    Logical Conclusion: Toews’ return is possible (based on what we know now – which is nothing).

    5. Fact: The Blackhawks have not placed Toews on the LTIR for 2021-22, like Shaw and Seabrook (and Hossa, previously), and are currently required to protect him in the Expansion Draft because of his NMC.

    Logical Conclusion: None, until July 21st. Wait and see.

  • June 26, 2021 at 8:57 am
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    WIJG

    Bergevin wasn’t in the meeting so I don’t believe he knew in a timely manner. Also he
    was on the way out of the organization, was that from the Bowman purge?

    I highly doubt this has anything to do w/Toews unless he was John Doe.

    What I find amazing is how little speculation there is out there on who John Doe is.

    The next month should be full of news whether positive or negative. There will be
    no time for a vacation this summer for the Hawks front office for sure.

  • June 26, 2021 at 10:22 am
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    wijg–CANCELLED! for association to Dr S

  • June 26, 2021 at 10:55 am
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    WIJG, the speculation that the reason Toews sat out the 2021 season is related to the sexual abuse story is not an air tight story, not by a long shot – granted. I just found it more interesting once more details of the sexual abuse story came to light. I thought it moved from utter nonsense to remotely plausible so I thought it worth mentioning.

  • June 26, 2021 at 11:03 am
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    Dollarbill is John Doe a reference to someone specific or just a way to include others in the lawsuit as things proceed if needed.

    Wijg for no.2, i believed Toews returned to Winnipeg and border travel was restricted which made attending team functions only possible by zoom like we saw on his congratulations video.
    For no.5 i would say training camp medicals could first real clear yes or no indication.

  • June 26, 2021 at 11:09 am
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    EB – all I was trying to do is provide some fact-based logic to a situation full of conjecture, theories and rumor mongering.

    In researching this, I now find it plausible Toews can come back. Though I still doubt it.

    As to your post above, I find it highly hypocritical of you to lecture others on respecting Toews’ privacy then contribute to rumor mongering because you “thought it worth mentioning”. It’s like peeing in the pool, now that you put it there (here) you can’t take it out. Shame on you!

  • June 26, 2021 at 11:58 am
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    EB – all I was trying to do is provide some fact-based logic to a situation full of conjecture, theories and rumor mongering.

    In researching this, I now find it plausible Toews can come back. Though I still doubt it.

    As to your post above, I find it highly hypocritical of you to lecture others on respecting Toews’ privacy then contribute to rumor mongering because you “thought it worth mentioning”. It’s like peeing in the pool, now that you put there (here) you can’t take it out.

    For the record, the lawsuit was filed in early May of 2021.

  • June 26, 2021 at 12:20 pm
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    Ian- I understand it to be a direct reference to someone specific. I could be wrong though as it’s above my paygrade.

  • June 26, 2021 at 12:45 pm
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    WIJG – I’m quite certain I never lectured anyone on the topic of Toews privacy as I never have been and never will be a virtue signaling POS. I don’t really have a problem with the general public not know anyone’s private business but Toews is a public figure and hence I think owes an explanation to the fans who have bought his jersey and products he gets paid to endorse over the years – but I don’t have a strong opinion on the topic either way.

  • June 26, 2021 at 12:57 pm
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    ER, here are some facts to consider before forming an ‘opinion’. In July 2019 John Doe “became aware of his injuries”.

    From that date, Jonathan Toews played a full season of hockey through October of 2020.

    John Doe’s lawyer in May or 2021 says he was not able function within the NHL and his career was ruined.

    Read his statement on why he was taking leave. If you want to discredit or dispute what he says, then provide some facts.

    Here are the ones I found:

    July 2019
    “On or about July 2019, when Plaintiff, JOHN DOE, learned that the perpetrator was arrested and sentenced in a different sexual assault, Plaintiff, JOHN DOE, became aware of his injuries and damages”

    October 4 2019 – October 18, 2020
    Blackhawks regular / post-season games

    April 30, 2021
    Lawsuit filed by JOHN DOE.

    The lawsuit “This entire man’s life has been destroyed,” Susan Loggins, the plaintiff’s lawyer, told WBEZ. “I mean, he was not able to function within the NHL context and … this has really ruined … his professional career. These professional athletes have to function at the top of their game at all times in order to be competitive, and these things are really debilitating.”

    December 29, 2020
    “This offseason, I’ve been experiencing symptoms that have left me feeling drained and lethargic. I am working with doctors so I can better understand my condition.
    Until I can get my health back to a place where I feel I can perform at an elite level and help my team, I will not be joining the Blackhawks for training camp. I do not have a timetable for when I will rejoin the team. I am extremely disappointed, but it wouldn’t be fair to myself or my teammates to attempt to play in my current condition
    I am grateful for the continuous support from and ongoing communication with the Blackhawks organization. Stan Bowman, Rocky Wirtz, Danny Wirtz, Jeremy Colliton and my teammates have been nothing but understanding of my situation, and I appreciate them standing by me.
    To Blackhawks fans, I will continue to do whatever I can to get back on the ice and return to play the game I love for the team I love. I will not be making any further comment at this time and ask everyone to please respect my privacy as I focus on my health and recovery.”

  • June 26, 2021 at 1:10 pm
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    Toews- could it be depression?

    Strong links to Depression and multiple concussions.
    and
    Gotta be hard mentally to go from top 3 C in league- for several years- to quick fall from that. Just saying.

  • June 26, 2021 at 1:16 pm
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    Dollarbill thought you meant there was a John Doe named with the accusers too sorry.

  • June 26, 2021 at 1:53 pm
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    Jonathan Toews owes nothing to anyone.

    Next.

  • June 26, 2021 at 3:25 pm
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    Interesting that the whole Hawk executive presumably including Rocky has been named in the suit which leads you to believe that lawyers feel Rocky was informed of the allegations (even though not present in the room at the time) and again presumably have corroborating evidence of that

    All the more reason to think that McD (being second in command to Rocky at the time) was fired because of this

  • June 26, 2021 at 3:28 pm
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    WIJG – what the hell are you talking about? I haven’t expressed an opinion regarding the sexual assault story. I simply repeated speculation I read on another site and made no bones about it being speculation. Period.

    But I’ll express my opinion on the sexual assault story now – bereft of so called facts other than the “victim” and perpetrator were both adult males.

    But before I go there I must state this disclaimer so there should be no misunderstanding. I have no sympathy for any sexual predator who harms a child. As far as I’m concerned I would have no problem lining him up against a wall in front of a firing squad or castrating him. At the very least he should spend the rest of his life behind bars with no possibility of parole.

    So here’s my opinion on this sexual assault story – WHAT? Any man reading this – please tell me what you would do if you woke up and found some guy wonking your willie. This is basic – this is defending your honor. Is there anyone reading this who wouldn’t immediately give the guy a big problem? Even if the guy is bigger than you and you can’t physically win the fight – you fight back. Someone would be getting a beating – either him or me and if it’s me he will need to beat me bad enough for the police to arrest him.

    This whole story is pathetic from the start. I’m not exonerating the Hawks by any stretch because once they were informed they were duty bound to do something more than they apparently did. But it never should have gotten to that point because either Aldridge would have gotten beat up to the point that the incident would have been found out or the victim would have gotten beat up and a police report filed. Since when is it OK for an adult man to be so traumatized by an incident like this that his career is ruined. Is the old saying “be a man” completely a thing of the past and replaced by something along the lines of “be a lavender sniffing victim”?

    And this guy was going to be a hockey player? Really? Either something is not right with this story or our culture has been completely turned on it’s head. Probably the latter.

  • June 26, 2021 at 4:21 pm
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    EB could be the fact that he was able to obtain a coaching job at a high school with the Blackhawks recommedation that may be the bigger issue to come out of it all.

  • June 26, 2021 at 4:25 pm
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    ER – “please tell me what you would do if you woke up and found some guy wonking your willie.”

    Where did that come from?

    All I could find in the actual court filing was:
    Bradley Aldrich sexually harassed Plaintiff, John Doe, in one or more of the following ways:
    a. Sent the Plaintiff, John Doe, inappropriate text messages.
    b. Turned on porn and began to masturbate in front of John Doe, without his consent.
    c. Threatened to injure the Plaintiff, John Doe, physically, financially, and emotionally if the Plaintiff did not engage in sexual activity with Bradley Aldrich.

    Do you understand what constitutes sexual harassment and sexual assault (whether you agree with it or not)?

    Do you understand why these laws are needed?

  • June 26, 2021 at 5:22 pm
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    WIJG – did I say “these laws” aren’t needed? No. My point, apparently lost on you, is that as an adult man, your honor should come before repercussions of threats made against you. Furthermore, what kind of man allows this to “destroy him”? the “victim” would have been better off growing a pair and manning up.

    Also – I stated I think the Hawks were duty bound to do something more than what they apparently did.

    Also#2 – not sure where I read that the victim was drunk and passed out when Aldridge assaulted. That detail doesn’t invalid my opinion that the “victim” allowed himself to be a victim instead of reacting with some backbone.

  • June 26, 2021 at 6:30 pm
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    Not sure what happened I didnt see any Kane raped girl thing again in news. Did someone get accused of doing that again in the offices?

    Like Tim says we need to clean house but I donot like Rocky going anyhwere he cares about the team/not that others donot and wants to spend to win like he did before.

    Other then personal people getting in trouble? I only see good in this. With Rocky being fine and everybody else start fresh and do what Tim said.

    TIM W.
    June 26, 2021 at 6:57 am
    When I gave my opinion at the end of the season that this organization needed a major culture change from the team president down to the training staff, little did I know that this pending disaster was on the horizon. I would think that in the next few months that we will see quite a few resignations from upper management and some movement of previously untouchable players so as to preemptively attempt to diffuse this nuclear bomb. Let the purge begin with Bowman and the real Toews story. What a tragedy that a previously ultra desirable place to play and work will be turned into a scorched earth toxic wasteland.

  • June 26, 2021 at 6:36 pm
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    Not going agasint you slient but I think the TOR that doesnt play good in playoffs other then agasint BOS and WIN/isint a playoff team anymore and VEG/? worn out from going hard agaisnt COL who didnt play D well and then plays the 18th place league team thats good at D and has a top 3 goalie cant find the net.

    A team like TB and the dynasty Blackhawks find ways to beat the goalie agaisnt teams like taht.

    SOmeone said it I think Hoss it doesnt matter how good the goalie is its the players in front of him you beat them and no goalie can stop them all.

    Make goalie go side to side and just outplay the players in front.

    Blackhawks did that when needed. Tb has the skill/not as good as Blackhawks did but the best roster in league and will beat MTL D and goalie.

    TB 4-0.

  • June 27, 2021 at 5:33 am
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    TB beat a fast CAR skilled team and a D oriented ISL team so they just played those styles but only won 4-2? 4-3. PRob should have beat ISL 4-2.

    To me ISL played better thehn anyone its just that TB has too much skill/experience.

    Does MTL remind people of the NYR agasint LA a young fast FW team with good D and top 3 goalie. NYR won a game maybe two ? I think.

    The finals on those yrs was LA/?? and LA/CHI like this yr ISL/TB.

    I just have no respect for teams that donot belong in playoffs MTL WIN. CHI last yr was 12 seed and we beat EDM but didnt belong/deserve to be in playoffs.

    The good thing is after last yr this yr there wont be anymore of this stupid corona shit that allows teams that donot belong in playoffs and disrupting draft orders.

    Theres a reason why teams like LA NAS/that were top 3 or top 5 teams build for the playoffs only were the 8 seed on some of there good yrs because of roster setup build for playoffs but they were top 5 teams MTL closer to bottom 10 then top 10. 18th place.

  • June 27, 2021 at 5:36 am
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    I donot care if Toews did or did not do anything I have his back no matter what.

  • June 27, 2021 at 7:26 am
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    ER – thanks for enlightening me.

    I never realized you’re not a victim if you let it happen.

    You belong on the Mount Rushmore of other like-minded thinkers along with Joe Paterno, Bo Schembechler and Hillary Clinton.

  • June 27, 2021 at 9:24 am
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    WIJG – as per your usual weasel style, you twist things to suit your argument. My comment was specific to an adult male “victim” and the point was that a man shouldn’t be submissive when sexually assaulted. You can be either a man who sticks up for himself or a victim. Apparently this guy chose to “take a knee”.

  • June 27, 2021 at 12:17 pm
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    “apparently” LMFAO!

  • June 28, 2021 at 5:56 pm
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    Can we trade Bowman? Look at all these former Hawks D men on playoff teams? Complete joke with Bowman and J C involved and nothing g changes until both are gone.

  • June 28, 2021 at 6:00 pm
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    Could start a team with all the players Bowman got rid of that are on playoff teams. Gotta go.

  • June 28, 2021 at 8:50 pm
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    So Toews was one of the victims is my guess.

  • June 29, 2021 at 5:01 pm
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    “I don’t really have a problem with the general public not know anyone’s private business but Toews is a public figure and hence I think owes an explanation to the fans who have bought his jersey and products he gets paid to endorse over the years – but I don’t have a strong opinion on the topic either way.”

    Toews is not an elected official colleting tax dollars. He’s an employee of a private business – whether it’s entertainment or as an insurance salesman, he’s entitled the right of privacy. He owes zero explanation to anyone, especially people in the media or ones that love to spin stories for their own profit.

  • June 29, 2021 at 5:18 pm
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    “WIJG – did I say “these laws” aren’t needed? No. My point, apparently lost on you, is that as an adult man, your honor should come before repercussions of threats made against you. Furthermore, what kind of man allows this to “destroy him”? the “victim” would have been better off growing a pair and manning up.”

    Ah, none of that matters in a court of law. Putting your personal thoughts aside, courts don’t care about “what the victim” should have done. What matters is – are the sexual acts by which Aldric allegedly committed constitute any level of a crime? Of any law breaking? It’s also damning if the evidence shows Hawks management did a “Penn State reaction” to the story and did nothing to project it’s employees.

    And your comment about “what man lets this destroy them” is not your place to say. You have no idea what that could do to someone mentally, or someone with say a pre-existing mental issue. Seems awful narrow-minded and ignorant.

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