Crawford, Blackhawks Beat Panthers In Florida
After a stunning third period in Tampa, the Chicago Blackhawks looked to stay warm in the sunshine state with an early Saturday evening game against Joel Quenneville’s Florida Panthers.
Chicago was looking to win two straight games for the first time since their five-game winning streak from Jan. 11-18. The Hawks are 4-8-2 over that stretch, a crippling six weeks that have seen Chicago coast into last place in the Central Division and well out of the playoff race.
The Hawks came out of the gates strong, but were chasing early. Mike Hoffman got Floirda on the board at 4:07 into the first. Other than the Hoffman goal the rest of the first period was dominated by the Blackhawks.
Jonathan Toews had a strong first period and found himself in the right place at the right time to tie the game. Adam Boqvist found his stick for an easy redirection goal at 12:54 into the first.
Chicago got three unanswered power plays in the first period but failed to convert on any of them. Despite out-shooting the Panthers 14-4 in the opening 20 minutes and having six minutes of advantage, the Blackhawks started the second period with the score tied at one.
Toews kept working and the goals kept coming. Chicago took a 2-1 lead at 6:51 into the second period when Drake Cagguila (officially) was credited with redirecting a Connor Murphy shot into the net.
Toews picked up an assist on the Cagguila goal to give him two points in the game.
After the Cagguila goal the Blackhawks spent four straight minutes short-handed. Olli Maatta went to the box at 8:09. Four seconds after he left the box Duncan Keith went off. The Blackhawks were able to kill off the two penalties successfully, however.
Florida out-shot the Blackhawks 15-10 in the second period but Chicago carried a 2-1 lead to the third. Corey Crawford was having yet another strong night between the pipes.
Florida got another power play opportunity early in the third when Kirby Dach went to the sin bin 71 seconds into the third. Chicago killed that penalty as well and maintained their one-goal lead.
Inside the final two minutes of regulation Mike Matheson absolutely undressed Olli Maatta in neutral ice and was able to attack the Chicago net. He beat Crawford for the tying goal with 1:28 left on the clock.
Regulation came to a close with the game tied at two – thanks to Crawford. Chicago was out-shot 17-2 in the third period and 36-26 over regulation. Crawford was terrific. On the other end of the ice, Sergei Bobrovsky got some help from the post a couple times in the third period to keep the game close enough that his skaters could tie it late.
Toews continued his dominant evening with a couple impressive shifts in overtime. Chicago’s captain is playing exceptional hockey right now. He almost won it by himself at the mid-way point of overtime but Bobrovsky was able to make a big save.
Crawford made a couple enormous saves in overtime to keep the game tied, perhaps none as big as one he made with 23 seconds left in OT on the Panthers 40th shot of the night.
The Hawks were completely out of gas by the end of the overtime session but survived to the shootout.
Toews and Kane scored in the shootout and Crawford made two saves to earn the second point. Chicago swept their games in Florida and has back-to-back wins for the first time in more than a month.
Toews won 19 pf 32 faceoffs in 19:47 and was credited with three shots on net. He was dominant all over the ice all night.
Alex Nylander skated a team-low 6:41 (nine shifts) and was credited with nothing but two giveaways.
Boqvist skated 16:41 with one hit, one blocked shot and one assists in the game. He had a much better effort after a struggling for a bit.
Dach skated 17:29 and lost all five of his faceoffs but was credited with one hit, one takeaway, one blocked shot and one shot on net.
Kane skated 22:58 to lead all Chicago forwards and finished tied with Murphy for the team lead with four shots on net.
Lucas Carlsson dressed and skated 11:32.
Ran out of gas last half of game but Crawford stole it for them. Actually impressed with Carlsson’s play, didn’t do anything to hurt them and played with poise even when pressured. Schedule gives them oportunity to win some games from here on in.
What a waste of three lock Hall of Famers, a borderline one in Crawford and for certain a decent enough group of forwards (sans Nylander who sleepwalks) to make the playoffs at worst.
A sorry group of D men after Murphy & Keith, who are not top pairing, but second pairing D men playing too much. Maata & Koekoek are 7 th D men that play well in limited playing time (and by the way, what in the hell is Maata doing on the second pplay unit?). Boqvist has his moments up and down. Carlsson hasn’t made any mistakes yet, why wasnt he recalled earlier ahead of instant turnover machine Gilbert? Seabrook and De Haan are damaged goods.
The Nylander trade was critical, Joker would have been a steadying influence back there, a year ahead of Boqvist. Bowman’s coach didn’t like Joker, but Q did, there you go right there re Bowman’s judgment.
As weak as the West is this year, up for grabs, what a shame. The Hawks dont need to re build anything; dispose of Bowman & the coach, stabilize the D, re sign Crawford and let’s go. This is on Rocky for allowing Bowman to make these buffoonery type decisions the last few years.
Hagel time next game, sit Nylander in pressbox instead ofon bench. Should pursue Haula in fa this summer, be significant add for not a crazy high caphit.
This place is unreadable these days. Even after wins tons of negativity. Go root for some other team.
Great game by Toews and Crawford. 19 was hard on the puck and dominating at times.91 and 8 were solid and active.20 had the bad turnover to start the game and should have finished some chances.Maata is terrible.The decision he made in the 3rd is inexcusable.Enough with Kamph already.He was a part of the 3rd period goal by losing another battle. He is like a graveyard,any chance of an offensive play dies when he has the puck.92 well 6 minutes of ice time,enough said. Someone in the Chicago Blackhawks organization please get the core group some help.If we had just an average bottom 6 we would be a dangerous team.
Nylander = the new Rundblad.
Amazing that Carolina made 3 trades at the deadline and refused to part with a 1st round pick for Lehner.
Their goaltending is AWFUL. They bit their nose off to spite off their face in not dealing with Chicago. Glad to see them losing and squandering a playoff chance
Once again, great game by the heart and soul s of the team; 19, 88, 2, and of course 50 THE CROW!!!!! Thank you Tallon for drafting these guys! Thank God!
Bowman, thank you for 91, 92 (passenger), 36, 17 (doesn’t want the puck because he is too slow), 64, 15, 22 (why?), 6, 5 (horrible in OT, handles the puck like a hot potato and the King of falling on his ass and icing)
77 needs to use his shot next season but he knows how to play and work 100%!
20 only power winger on the team with some skill.
8 Good PP guy, good speed, not a great passer, nice shot.
27 needs to grow and gain 20 pounds
46 playing because Hawks don’t have much. Will never make the NHL.
QUESTION : Why do all the RUSSIANS Bowman drafts never come to Chicago?
12 Dcat needs to play either with Toews or Kane but certainly needs a center who can skate.
ANISIMOV has 2 more goals (15 total) tonight playing 3rd line center on the 2nd worst team in the NHL. Thx for ZACH Smith, thx Bowman.
THE TRUTH HURTS
Please don’t call a gimmick/shootout win a WIN.
Truth – you speak the truth! and that’s before the nightly rant from Hull!
Crow was money tonight – he is awfully tough in shootouts. Loved how he shut down Hoffman. I would be very surprised if Hagel isn’t in for Nylander Tuesday.
Craig – I said at the deadline that I would be pissed to be a Carolina fan. They get cheap on Lehner and now have lost 3 in a row with their AHL tandem. Forsberg pulled tonight after letting in 3. The reality is that they could have got Lehner for a 2nd and a strong prospect. They are now at risk of missing the playoffs.
Mike Smith drafted Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook and Corey Crawford not Dale Tallon.
How can there not be some negativity around here when you get out shot 17-2 in the third? They weren’t point shots with nobody standing in front either.
These goalie wins are not the way you make the playoffs. You can get a win like this once in a while, but with nothing else happening offensively, it is not sustainable.
Why have a guy like Nylander who has been playing less than 10 minutes per night? If he is a 4th liner, that is one thing. He is allegedly a skill guy. Highmore is much more impressive than Nylander, although his game is different. I kind of feel sorry for Nylander. It’s like his brain shuts down when he is out there. We’ve all been in pressure situations where our brains didn’t work right. That seems to be the norm for him.
This team is a long way from being meaningful. How do you win games when you rarely dominate any shifts? Florida’s PP was scary good and it was a miracle they didn’t cash.
I cannot imagine what was wrong with Toews for those two years when he was so mediocre. Last year and this year have been excellent and it doesn’t even look like the same person. It is nice to have him back.
Canes may regret not getting Lehner for sure. Be kind of pissed if i was a Panthers fan too, 10m caphit for 6 more yrs in Bobrov, Hoffman a fa, may be leaving, signed Stralman, Haula moving on too maybe and not looking like they will be making playoffs again for whatever it is time.
Robs – of course there should be plenty of negativity but it feels like Groundhog Day (the movie) where you see the same rants every night, many that completely disregard facts. Your description of Nylander is spot on. He has some strong skills but he doesn’t seem to know how to play hockey.
Ian – be careful, that’s DaleTallon you are criticizing!
Hull-zzzzz…zzzz..zzz.zz.z
re: GROUND HOG Day ( Every Day. )
Rinse and Repeat.
Deja Vu all over again
Department of Redundancy Department
Tallon greatest, Bowman worstest–ditto -zzz.zz
Look they had 5 game NW road trip and now finishing a 4 game trip in SE in last couple of weeks, alot of games with little time off on top of the travelling. They got to be tired, and i think late in 2nd and 3rd plus ot it showed. Main thing is compete was there and Crawford behind them.
MS lol but i would be.
Just thinking …is it possible that Lenher was a problem with is attitude?
Is it possible that he was not a really good fit with the Hawks and the Islanders ?
Is it also possible that he will not be signed with Vegas when the season end because…..I don’t no but I have a feeling that he maybe takes to much place in the room …anyway l now I have a strange feeling about him.
Yeah Ian, you’re right. $10 million for a goalie with a sub .900 save percentage – for six more years. Bowman had two goalies with better percentages for about the same caphit. Like a lot of people on this board say, Tallon is a genius.
Here we go again HOSSAHAWK!
Tallon was director of player personnel from 1998-2002…Assistant GM in 2003=2004 to drunken Maple Leaf dummy Bob Pulford until being named GM in 2005.
Brent Seabrook drafted 1st round 203
Crawford drafted 2nd round 20003
Keith drafted 2nd round 2002
And just because we all loved him, Dustin BUFF drafted in the 7th round 2003, THX TALLON!
I guess he had nothiung to do with these future stars!
And yes, Lehner’s attitude unfortunately has always been a problem because he has always been a backup. His body language and screaming at his players, especially with the Hawks when you have 88, 19, 7, 50, & 20 who have won cups and he hasn’t rubbed everyone the wrong way. I admire what he has gone through personally but once again Bowman overpaid like he did last year with a washed up goalie for a backup. He needed to give Toews and Kane players not 4th line , undrafted, AHL slugs!
Dave Tippett, veteran coach with ba winning record was available last season after Bowman fired coach Q. A Stanley Cup coach is availablea at the moment in Laviolette yet we still have a junior B coach behind the bench.
This is the arrogant stupidity that Bowman exemplifies. Did he think he had discovered a CUP winning coach in Colliton?
No NHL coaching experience….How are the Flyers doing with 3 veteran coaches behind the bench?
As soon as the “great” Tallon, revered by some at this website, signed his cap space away for years on an aging goalie I posted that the former GM is worse than Bowman. Tallon won’t be winning a Cup anytime soon.
Dave Tippett is a good friend of Qs back as far as their playing days with the Hartford Whalers.I doubt he would have taken the Hawks job directly after Q.He is also too strong of a personality for Bowman and would want a say on personel.As long as Bowman is G.M this team won’t have a strong top notch Head Coach and staff I also believe that McDonough will not allow a strong G.M.who will change the entire makeup of the team.
Hull will you stop lying, you know you are.
Why I did this I don’t know.
Players drafted by Tallon and Bowman when they were the GM. (Nhl games played)
Tallon 05:
J Skille
M Blundin
E Bropley (4)
N Hjarlmasson
06:
Toews
P Leblanc (1)
07:
P Kane
B Sweatt (3)
A Aliu (7)
08:
S Lalonde (1)
B Smith
09:
D Olsen
B Pirri
B Froese
M Kruger
Bowman 10:
K Hayes
J Holl
K Simpson (1)
S Johns
J Nordstrom
11:
M Mcneill (2)
P Danault
A Clendening
B Saad
M Paliotta (2)
K Dahlbeck
A Shaw
A Broadhurst (2)
12:
T Teravainen
V Hinostrova
13:
R Hartman
C Dahlstrom
J Hayden
T Motte
L Johnson (18)
14:
N Schmaltz
D Sikura
Only used 5years each.
That actually played in the NHL
Stans drafted some good players ,he just pisses them all away .
Hawks 2015 agree drafting and developing record is terrible overall. At present though Dach is looking very good as a rookie learning the game. Hughes and Kappo the 2 hyped franchise players haven’t outshone him at all. Boqvist from the year of defensman draft has had more impact than any defenseman taken behind him at this point and both are primed for a bright future. Also a strong rookie of the year candidate in Kubalik, should make that trade the steal of the year only giving up a low pick for him. Debrincat another pick who should improve next year after a plateau year this season makes his recent history more credible. Still believe change is best thing, just trying to be fair.
Wow the bromance for some with the genius Tallon never ends
I didn’t realize that as director of player personnel and asst GM (from 1998 – 2005) that Dale was making the draft selections for the Hawks and therefore should be rightly credited with the Hawks drafting Seabrook, Keith and Crwford
Following that indisputable and rock solid logic then the Asst GM in 2006 and 07 must also be responsible for the Hawks first round draft picks those years – Toews and Kane
That Asst GM was of course Stan … 0ops doesn’t fit the Dale as genius narrative…delete…delete
But if you credit Dale for draft picks as Asst GM but not Stan when he was Asst GM that doesn’t make you a hypocrite does it?
the answer is no! – not if it advances the transendence of GM genius Tallon at the expense of all known facts!
All hail Dale!
The Hawks are definitely missing a top D man – Keith is game and still plays at a higher level than most but he’s clearly not a #1 D man anymore
Imagine if Petreangelo were somehow signed to the Hawks
Then with DeHaan hopefully back and perhaps Mitchell showing he’s NHL ready and a continued development from Boquist then your D corps is looking waaaay better
I’d be happy if the Hawks could free up enough $ for a move like that – maybe that was part of the thinking in trading and not signing Lehner – to use the $ saved on signing Lehner on a D man and sign Crow back for $4 million -ish
Wrap,the Hawks have started down the right path by not dropping 8 or so Million a year on a 3 to 4 year deal on a Goalie.Next move is to move Maata.They need 2 top Defensemen that have size.You already have Keith,Boqvist,and maybe Mitchell so you need size.In these remaining games find out what you have in Seeler and Carlsson.
JR, nice job breaking down the actual facts of 5 years of drafts by both Tallon and Bowman. So let’s summarize…Tallon drafted Hjarlmasson in the 4th round in ’05 plus 3 scrubs including a poor first round pick (Skille) who was a -52 with 43 goals in his 10 years career. Nice job, Dale. In ’06, he drafted Toews which is a good pick for sure but close to a no-brainer for any GM plus one scrub. In ’07, he drafted Kane 1st overall who ANY GM would have drafted as he was the consensus #1 pick like Jack Hughes was last year plus 2 scrubs. In ’08, we didn’t have a pick until the 3rd round but that pick was a scrub for sure. He did draft a career 4th liner with Smith in the 6th round so that’s decent. In ’09, he drafted Kruger in the 5th round who was a very good 3rd or 4th liner for 8 seasons. But that draft included a super bust 1st rounder Dylan Olsen who was a 4-year career D with a -16 to show for it. Nice job, Dale. It also included 2nd round bust Pirri and 4th round bust Froese. Great draft, Dale.
Now Bowman. In ’10, he drafted Hayes in the first round which was a great pick that the Hawks couldn’t sign because Q didn’t like to play rookies much and Hayes wanted to play. The Hawks lost him because of this. NOT because of Bowman. The rest of the draft was a bust. Johns in the 2nd round was a decent big D who kept getting injured and has played only 13 games this year. In ’11, Bowman drafted Danault in the 1st, Saad in the 2nd, and Shaw in the 5th who all have been solid NHL players. Trading Danault was definitely poor! The rest of that draft was a bust for Bowman but a good haul that year for us overall. In ’12, he drafted 2 solid picks in Teravainin and Hinostrova. The trading of them can be debated but the picks were both solid. In ’13, it was a bust besides Hartman who’s a solid 4th liner who was drafted poorly in the 1st round. In ’14, we get a very solid Schmaltz and still to be determined Sikura. Good draft but the trade of Schmaltz for Strome and Perlini (now Alex Regula) has results that remain to be seen.
So to Hawks15 comment that Stan pisses them all away…most of the picks should have been pissed away as the facts show. He pisses away his mistakes like all GM’s who are smart do once they realize their mistakes.
I think we need to be accurate when debating the merits of Dale and Stan and look at all the facts. Somehow, we won 3 cups in a short span. Most teams don’t do that. Dale played a part but so did Stan. Both are decent GM’s who have made good drafts and bad drafts. Both had made good trades and bad trades. Both have paid too much for players too. We all get so heated up about our Hawks when they struggle or when they suck and we say things without looking at all the facts. I think it’s good to vent but it’s also good to reflect so we don’t just “trade all of them except Kane”.
Wrap, Tallon actually went back to broadcast booth for 2002-3, so really had nothing to do with drafts that Keith, Seabrook, Crawford and Buff were taken in, but Bowman did, lol.
What I give credit to Tallon for is making some very good trades for Sharp, Campbell and other key pieces, getting Hossa signed and hiring Q as his biggest accomplishments. His drafting as pointed out is nothing to get excited over at all.
Thanks Ian – didn’t know that but I’ll definitely remember it now
The Tallon vs Bowman debate does not help in making the Blackhawks as they stand today a better team and on par with their competition. The relevant questions are about what is the current G.Ms plan to evolve.I have read Bowman,s latest evaluation and plans and I still believe he does not understand what is happening in today’s NHL.Most of us agree that a different vision is needed.Q and Tallon are in the past.Everyone has to move on.
Tallon’s Versteeg and Ladd trades was also good – pretty sure that was Dale
Campbell was a UFA signing
Agreed Tim W. – would love to move on but revisionist historians need to be called out every now and then or they control the narrative
I’m not a Bowman apologist just someone who enjoys discussions based on facts
Your right Wrap, should’ve looked it up instead of going by memory. 100% Tim time to about future instead of the continual whining about that stuff and trying to change what really happened.
Dale Tallon is so overrated its a joke.
The last 2 games, a few things stood out to me: Crawford has stood on his head; we’re screening the other goalie for dirty goals; the PP is working. All year, I watched the boys focus on defending their zone rather than attack the other zone “ in transition”…
before any “D” can be set up. All you guys were taught to attack- a pitcher, a basket, a goalie. “IF” you have a goalie that can bail a team out ( it seems Crawford is back)…then attack & make the other team play defense. I read all the posts here. I agree with those that pitch for a size- speed team. Skilled players like Kane, Kubalik, Cat, Strome, Saad, Toews excel in space. We need a Couple Dustin B prototypes for screens and grit. God Bless theCat & Caggs for screens & taking on Manson & Buff last year. BUT-just a couple Buffs are on my wish list. P. S.- I will go to my grave believing Bowman got rid of Q over hockey philosophy. It was a bad day for Hawk excellence. It’s why I have contempt for “ must have his head up someone’s ass Bowman.”
From last thread.
TIM W.
February 29, 2020 at 4:27 pm
It’s the totality of all these players that is the problem. Too many are 1 trick ponies. Kamph wins faceoffs but kills whatever line he is centering.Ca?penter kills penalties but is slow and soft and another line killer.Nylander passes the puck well and skates but he does not go to the net and does not finish along with being soft in the defensive zone.Strome can pass and plays ok on the powerplay but he is slow and soft on the puck.You add it up and it’s just too much to overcome and be successful .
GLEN HALL
March 1, 2020 at 11:39 am
Went to Tampa Game… Louder when Hawks scored than when Tampa did…
Hopefully this team gets “cleaned up” this off season… too many Softies who are playing for themselves & going thru the motions…Crows is a Beast !
MORRISON
March 1, 2020 at 12:12 pm
Tim, makes sense. Krugs was as good as he was and was better because he had other good players on the line. Besides the things you said, were not Cup HHNL-top 9 deep so that makes it worse then better for each guy. Remember how in uniseen the 4th line looked in 2009 2010 2013 2014 2015.
We need that kind of cohesiveness. Sort of like pinball. Dump in it-pull the lever silver ball bounces around in zone/cycle again again again again again. Then every once in awhile one pass bang good shot on net/goal.
Ian, yea this is the 11 games i was talking about we could go 9-2. That was based on doing at least 6-6-2 the 14 games before-we just did and we were not good then. Otherwise these 11 games could have put us from +4 to +11 over .500 (the actual quality of team we have right now-this yr). We are not a .500 team but we do ‘play’ .500 amount of the time-fo sure.
91 at 8 goals, not bad for a 4th line player.
That goal by 27 19 is the kind of plays that wins games in playoffs. This is why we need players like 27 and any Horsemen that ends up being good player. The creativity of these krafty Defensemen are plays, sneaky plays-like 86 would do, that big Defensemen cant do.
27 is a gem. Good player once he gets to 150/200? games.
Drew, yea I donot call a 3on3/so a lose as well. They are both a fricken tie.
Hossahawk, there needs to be a cutandpaste printout of who Smith/Tallan/Bowman drafted.
Robs, Tazer went to a different food/healty thing and changed his summer training routine-ala 81. Thats why he looked so less in size/strength at first-when Wall said 86 knocked him over with his wind going by. Fully recovered from injuries and once the new food thing kciked in, took a yr or so, then he was faster.
I think he did it because the whole league got faster and so he could keep up/not have that be an advantage for other players against him. Then he could just play and be good as he really is/always has been.
Wrap, Imagine if Petreangelo were somehow signed to the Hawks.
This is what I was saying in the fall. We need another top pair Defensemen. Just get one of the good ones in summer. People donot want to overpay or a player 30-35, afte a couple yrs at 28 29. Thing is unless we draft one thats the only way to get one. Could trade but you be trading good stuff to get a top pair.
If going spend money, other than a starting goalie, defense s where i would try to upgrade by spending. Getting more size up front can be done cheaply, with skill guys in place support guys is what’s needed there. Defense just doesn’t have that magic anymore, that game changer is missing. Having Keith and Murphy as a 2nd pairing to start next season is fine, but as you guys mentioned a top pair guy to let Boqvist hopefully grow and thrive with would be huge.
Ian,You are right on the money.When this team was terrorizing the league other teams had to defend the Hawks 3rd and 4th lines also.The difficult work is done.You have the high end talent locked in.Now go get the 2 big Defensemen and your bottom 2 lines.A healthy and happy Crawford would be great also.
“If going spend money, other than a starting goalie, defense s where i would try to upgrade by spending.”
Last summer the Blackhawks did precisely this. They went out and added de Haan & Maatta, who were both supposed to be top-four guys, to the blue line and also brought back Koekkoek. While de Haan has been hurt – and the recurrance of his issue makes his future a question mark – he is under contract for next year.
If the Blackhawks are going to EVER see some of these young guys at the NHL level, they need to have an opportunity. Having 7 defensemen signed before training camp makes it damn near impossible to see Beaudin, Mitchell, etc getting a quality look on the NHL roster. While I completely agree the blue line needs to be better, the Hawks need to address the guys they have under contract before they spend more money/resources on adding more veterans to the blue line mix. I would rather Mitchell get a chance to play in 75 games next year than they bring in another 28-year-old for $3-5M.
I may be foolish but I’m hoping Shalunov signs and plays next year – he’s 6’3″ and 203 lbs and just maybe can be a top 9 contributor
I would settle for 1 top D man and DeHaan coming back healthy
then your top 6 D could be 2, 27, 5, 44, Mitchell (hopefully) and new guy
Kampf is strictly a 4th line guy – the fact that JC has been stuffing Kampf down our throat all of last year and this speaks to his lack of experience
Tab hear what your saying, but it comes back to reload or longer rebuild question. If the plan is to keep 88 and 19 around and try to build a roster that can make a deep run with them before it’s too late are the guys you mentioned ready to shoulder a top pairing load. Boqvist in another year should be starting to come into his own as a defenseman, not sure the others there yet. Keith, Murphy Dehaan are good depth but aren’t that level for different reasons right now.
Didn’t Tallon want to bring back Marty Havlat instead of signing Hossa? I thought I read somewhere that was one of the main reasons why Dale was ultimately relieved of GM duties.
Am I remembering that correctly?
I would settle for 1 top D man and DeHaan coming back healthy
This is what I want and trade 15 6 at draft. 7 65 maybe ltir. 44 might be ok might retire-ltir way.
That would be a really good Defense.
toppair 27
2 5
44 mitch
Dehaan is a trainwreck.His shoulders are shot,remember this last injury was from falling down with a little nudge from Mark Stone,you can’t rely on him being anywhere near as physical as you need a top pairing guy to be.If Mitchell signs he will be a rookie and can’t be expected to be a top 2 guy.Beaudin??? Hey Tommy,can you remind us about Beaudin again.The report from this years Prospect Evaluations was that he relies on being tricky with his stick with his size being a big drawback.How many little guys do you want on Defense?????Maata,come on,dont waste Hawks fans time.
Bowman went out and got a #4 and #5 Defenseman and sold them as top d men.Hawks fans didn’t buy it over the summer and still won’t buy it this summer.
So your saying we should have traded Beau not Buckaroo.
6 and 44 were fine for how good they are. We simply needed 6 NHL Defensemen-which we didnt have the two yrs before.
For having a Cup HHNL top 4 Defensemen, 44 is good player and has those injuries so we cant rely. Good to have 44 for the time being, same with 6 15 65-other then picks/but you go by full circle in those trades/2nds for Debrincat. Once were ready-young wavers ready, then we need to trade those players and get what we need/Tim and others adds.
I like getting a top pair Defensemen this summer/or next, to be ready for the young wave. Trade who we know not to keep and add what we need.
toppair 27
2 5
? mitch
Dehaan he got for 2 guys that likely were going to go through waivers and maybe lose them for nothing. Why not, nothing to lose to take a chance on Dehaans health, but didn’t pan out, this year at anyways. Maatta for Kahun was convient for both sides. Kahun’s potential performance bonus going to count for Blackhawks this year anyways, lising advantage of his low base caphit and needed a defensive defenseman. Pens needed forwards, could push Kahuns bonus out. Win win. So either try to develop, potentially a few years away or address top pair now.
Wrap agree Shalunov looks like an attractive signing. With another ready draft pick or a Kurashev to step in top 6, Shalunov and Entwistle to bulk up bottom 6, be a big upgrade alone.
Top pair Defensemen as ua/trade. We draft it prob only takes 1-2 yrs for being ready, being a top 5 pick. We have to have a top 5 pick, like last two yrs prob have another this draft. Thing is the only Defensemen-top 10 draft players deep was the two drafts we drafted 4 Defensemen-Horsemen.
Now last draft, Dach draft, and this draft there are not many/any? top Defensemen in top 10 draft. So unless we draft top 5, in a yr from now, could we get a top pair Defensemen in draft. We prob donot get another top 5 draft in that draft-who knows/prob not. So that deosnt mean we cant do it that way/or have to get toppair ufa wise. Just makes sense to.
We got Hoss ufa wise, he was ? old 28 29 30. Same thing here.
Its what we need/donot have. We donot need to do 10 m in goalies, 4-6 m is fine. Now when Crow is retired and we donot have a top 10 goalie, yea we can roll 2010 style with a elc goalie by then we can trade this toppair Defensemen if hes older then and by then 19 88 are like 40, so we would be doing a bunch of stuff anyways. And by that time who really cares becuse then were really talking about a different era.
Get toppair for 19 88 2 50, ufa wise. After these guys are retired/near it, then we can draft toppair DEfensemen in drafts.
ANA and SJ doing there part again and are 4 and 5 from 6 and 7. Thing is we would have to drop 5 games again like we did on that rod trip-which is sort of weird since we were so good on roa dthis yr/10 day layover. We could easily win a bunch of games these 11 games and then 4th and 5th pick would still be ANA and SJ. NJ is doing there part getting to -2, we would need to do ours and then 6th pick is there.
My position is to get 88,19,2,and 50 help as soon as possible.Take some of the heat off of each of them by having an entire team contributing.I think the organization 0wes them that.
Ian – do you think Entwhistle is close to NHL ready? – I don’t know having not seen him since last year’s OHL playoffs but I liked his game then and am hoping he can make the jump from the AHL next year
As I recall he’s a better skater than Strome although maybe not as good as Dach – he’s got size and is an honest worker and PKer and will go to the front of the net
If he’s ready I think he would be a bottom 6 upgrade as well
I mean Bowman tried and did good this summer getting 5 or 6 good players so we would have a full NHL roster. Injuries happen but not 3 out for season kind. So after playing short handed for two yrs, in a way we did again this yr. What would be interesting is to see how good we can be without having to play short handed.
You take 2 good Defensemen and a few good FW away from any top 10 team and how good are they?
Lets get what we donot have and need. We had to wait for young wave. Wake up and get what we need so we have it by the time these younger players are starting/prime/established. We know what we need/is missing. Size speed kind of players. We have some coming in young wave, so get the rest this draft summer.
Then were ready by the time enough of young players are ready. 27 77 8 shalunov mitch kurachev barratt entwhistle.
Unless ythe gm crew plan is to let it ride and gather top 5 skill draft players when we donot have it. Then get the quality deep players, that way we have more young wavers then less in the rebuild of the reload.
Tim W – totally agree – how many years do we have left of 19 and 88 not to mention 2 and 50?
If Pietrangelo makes it to UFA status he’d be the guy to go after with perhaps Vatanen as a fall back position
I know this year has been disappointing but the way the league is now with so many teams so close talent wise I don’t think the Hawks are that far away and Pietrangelo would bring us a lot closer immediately
And I agree as a franchise you owe it to the core guys to get there asap
Wrap, with shalunov entwhistle kurachev barratt being near ready/first 40 games or 2nd 40 games, there going to get in at some point here next yr or so. That is an entire line with size for bottom 6 right there.
Wrap, I know this year has been disappointing but the way the league is now with so many teams so close talent wise I don’t think the Hawks are that far away and Pietrangelo would bring us a lot closer immediately
This is why I want to add these players now/draft summer-ufa. Then when more of the young wavers are ready were deep young size with speed.
Miroslav-
No. That’s not how it went down at all.
Tab,
Maata was projected to be a top 4 dman only in Stan’s fantasy world. He’s not good. The Pens couldn’t get rid of him fast enough, and 90% of their fan base was thrilled he was traded. And their defense is improved without him on it. Bowman got fleecd.
Its funny to think in a couple yrs the Blackhawks could be beast like in the size with speed players/roster makeup.
Dach Kubilik Shalunov Enwhistle Barratt-Shawzer like Regula Vlassic Mcosen Seeler Gilbert
From where we have been last few yrs hiting-physical wise, were going to look like the Hansons.
Wrap when Kurashev came back, he was centering Entwistle and Hagel i think on other wing. Entwistle seemed to be doing well, finding his offense. I kmow they like how is taking to the grinder role as his ticket to bigs, so would say theres a good chance he can stick next fall.
HAHA! Really? 1998-2004 Director of player personnel. You think Bob Pulford went to arenas to watch Junior players? No way, he was too busy getting his nose red with Mr. Wirtz!
Stan Bowman was hired as an accountant to take care of the fax machine… You think he watches games….? Oh yeah, he watches 2nd Div. 2 Swedish league players and coaches. And as the GM, I guess he was hired to give every one bonuses (Kane and Toews), Panarin… anyone he desperately tried to sign. Wait until we find out about Kubalik’s bonuses!!! Or Dach?
I love that Bickell contract or better yet the $9million for Kruger, a 4th line center.
So, as an accountant he has failed miserably, making trades miserably, hiring coaches miserably, firing best friend of Coach miserably, trading Saad in 2015 because he didn’t want to pay him and then giving Anisimov a ridiculous amount of money when he was older and had always been just a 3rd line center.
What do GMs do? Trades, give contracts, sign coaches and hopefully watch games of the players he is told to draft and that fit the team’s style.
The other GMs don’t care or have a relationship with Bowman.
Let’s examine the genius hockey mind some of you like to call Stan Bowman and his vision of building a future for the Hawks;
He gets Jeremy Morin back twice, Saad back, Versteeg back 3 times?, Shaw back, Ladd back, Sharp back, Oduya back, Campbell back, and Kruger back?
Wow, either he’s lazy or simply has no friends in the NHL or I guess has no idea what to do?
Simple, he’s father got Dale fired and then Stan fired Coach Q. Why? To prove to the world that he can be the next Jerry Jones and win a Cup without Dale and Coach Q. So, he’s had 5 seasons to retool a team and all he has done is destroyed the farm system, traded away potential talent, traded a superstar in Panarin, hypes all his so called prospects (SIKURA) and acts like all his free agent signings make him a genius.
We need to give Kane and Toews 3 elite players next year and I don’t mean someone drafted in June. He needs NHL top six talent to fill the roster. We all know who he needs to waive or get rid of.
Otherwise, Kane and Toews will start the rumour mill and want out. Can Bowman retool? He hasn’t!
Therefore, I still believe we need to fire Kelley, Gauthier, Bowman, Colliton and give the vets as well as the fans some playoff entertainment.
PS: Hey JC, call your CUP vets by their name not just vets! No respect!
GO HAWKS !
Ian, thanks for bringing us information about our “minor leaguers”. I’ve tried to keep up but your insight and that of others on this board have been very helpful in keeping me hopeful. It’s sounds like we have at least a couple bigger bodies that may make the Hawks next season. We need to pick up a couple in FA this year regardless.
Morrison, thanks for your optimism about next year. And, I agree how ironic it would be if in a few years the Hawks were considered one of the hardest hitting teams in the NHL. This board would sound very different then.
Hull65, I don’t know how many times your fellow Hawk fans here have to point out where you’re wrong. Your heart is in the same place as ours which is great. But overall your math is off, your logic is flawed, and your expectations mostly ridiculous. For example, there’s no way that Bowman or any GM will be able to acquire 3 elite centers/forwards to give to Kane and Toews. We simply would not be able to pay them what the market would dictate AND staff a full team with anything but rookies considering how much money is still on the books for next year. The math just won’t work as much as we all wish it would. And, I’ll join you in the chorus of GO HAWKS!
Why did the Blues win the cup last year? Why do they continue to win this year? Answer- what all you guys are talking about…plus one more thing-
size speed and coaching. I spent part of the day reading & watching GM Doug Armstrong & Berube. Armstrong added more speed to a gritty team & gave the coaching reins to Berube ( we all know how he played). Bowman went all speed….& picked Colliton. Colliton I’m sure is a good guy but he doesn’t have that “it” nor any accumulated “respect” to call players on the carpet like Berube. Can you imagine C yelling at Kane, Toews, Seebs, Dunc? I can’t. Q could…Q could make a guy feel guilty for bad play with just a glance…but the boys loved him. No-all you committed Indians should be named GM Panel & GM the Hawks. Someone said today we have enough skill players- we do. All of you have called for more size. That’s correct. Someone said get Kane a center. Correct. I’d get Kaner & Cat an “Al Secord” linemate . Kane & Cat could do their thing…and be protected. Toews-Saad-Kubalik works. Most of you want adds to 3rd & 4th lines. Correct. I would like to see Entwhistle, Hagel, Kurashev, Shalunov. 27 is going to be Doug Wilson. Beaudin? I’d trade all small slow players we have in the minors. I hope Wirtz accidentally eats a thc brownie on 4-1, and fires everyone…& it isn’t April fools.
Dale Tallon on the board again…..puke. 85 Bears are next right? Time to stow away all the Tallon love and move forward. Our forwards lose the ozone too easily besides the Toews lime. That needs to change if we have any chance.
I am not saying this yr or next yr. Somepoint were going to get back to top 5, by getting the players we need to go along with young wavers.
Where people think blackwhite nightday, is tied in the dynasty yrs. Theres only so many dynastys in the history of hockey. We did it, only team to in 20 yrs and 35/40 yrs islanders oilers.
What I am is getting roster to top 5 again-in a watered down league, and wining another Cup. Not a dynasty, a Cup or two Cups spread out in 5-10 yrs.
Q yelled at me at the bar in 2013. He can be mean.
Tazer also said were not that far off as people think, last summer-training camp? We do though need to add what were missing, size with speed.
Logic, flawed? Why? Actually, all I am stating is the facts; the Hawks are 2 wingers and a center away from making the playoffs. And rookies need time to develop thus Bowman is already behind that reality since you can’t bring in 3 rookies next season and compete for the playoffs! You need proven NHLers to fill in your top 6/top 9. Toews needs a winger, Kane needs a center unless Dach takes a big step, and the 3rd line needs a winger as well. And preferably not under 6′ tall.
And on the expectations, you should ask what Toews, Kane, Keith,Crawford and Seabs expect, which is to be in the playoffs now!!!
So, Bowman needs to be creative and make hockey trades or sign 2 good free agents and part ways with either Maatta or DaHann or Strome that have some kind of value. He got nothing for Lehner…and every other trade this season was to stack up more dmen (Regula, Mckosen, Demin, Seeler, etc… NO Forwards. He has an overload of dmen that he recklessly drafted (all undersized except for slow footed Vlasic) yet nothing that he HAS DRAFTED up front apart from Dach this season.
Entwhistle and Barratt are 4th line or maybe 3rd line forwards at some point if they even make the NHL. We need elite prospects up front which Bowman dismissed the last 3 drafts until DACH. (Kurashev might be a surprise)
Whether all this is possible, it’s up to Bowman who gets paid to keep a team in the playoffs not out of the playoffs. If he doesn’t accomplish this, then next season will be the same as this season. He is still stuck with Shaw”s contract, Zach Smith and Carpenter (all overpaid 4th line players that nobody wants ) for another season.
I think the flawed guy is the GM.
Go HAWKS Go
Retire 28 Mr.McDonut! And I am talking hockey not baseball.
The Colliton hate is just utterly ridiculous. This wasn’t a very good roster out of camp, hence why very few people and oddsmakers picked the Hawks to make the playoffs, and it had nothing to do with who the coach is. Couple that with losing a third of starting defense for the season (not that they were doing all that great even with them), Saad for a month, Shaw for the season, etc, and this team never really had a chance. Debrincat has gone from 40 goal scorer to a guy who can’t hit an open net and will be lucky to score 20, and it’s not due to lack of chances. His shot is just completely off. Is it a fluke year? Were his first two seasons flukes? Granted, he was likely not going to keep shooting 16-18+% like he did his first two seasons, but this season his % is half that. The thing about Cat is if he’s not scoring goals, he’s almost useless. He doesn’t do much of anything else particularly well, and can be a huge defensive liability. Strome is a nice playmaker, but that’s about it. Toews has rebounded nicely the last couple of years, but he’s not one of the top centers in the league anymore. Kane is Kane, but even he’s struggled to find the back of the net lately. Saad has had a solid season, and is 3rd on the team in goals despite missing a month. Still plays a very good 200 for game, too. Kubalik has been amazing. Nobody could’ve predicted a 35 goal season from him, which is what he’s on pace to do. Dach and Boqvist have had ok rookie campaigns, and there’s definitely reason to be optimistic for their future, but ideally these guys should be in Rockford. Maata blows. Koekkoek is awful. Keith and Murphy are probably both solid B dmen, but there’s no legit shut down first pairing guy in the organization right now. Nylander is skilled but has zero hockey sense and is soft. Kampf, Smith, and Carpenter are just guys. If not for Crow the last two months and Lehner the first 3 months, the Hawks be challenging for the 2nd or 3rd spot in the lottery. All season I’ve read “Colliton sucks, get rid of him”, as if that would magically turn this into a contending roster. Hell, it’s not like Q is doing a whole lot better in Florida, where they had huge hopes for this season but have been skidding for a month now. There’s all kinds of talk there about how he’s lost certain players, namely their core. Anyone notice who he used in the shootout against the Hawks Saturday night? Panther fans were stunned. They just lost their 7th straight home game tonight getting shut out by Calgary. Does this mean Q is a bad coach? Nope. It means in the end players win and lose games and decide what kind of effort they’re gonna give. If a guy like Q can’t get through to them, maybe no one can, or he just doesn’t have the right group of guys for system, or he’s lost his touch. Certainly isn’t his fault Dale gave that ridiculous contract to Bobvrosky last summer and he’s looked bad, not that he’s got a lot of help with their pourous team defense, but isn’t that supposed to be Q’s forte? Ah well, I’ve rambled enough for now. Maybe this team will go on another mini run, get within striking distance of a playoff spot and get our hopes up again, then return to form and close the season out with several stinkers.
Hockey players win games? Really? NOT HERE ON THIS BOARD. It’s all about the coaches and GM. Players don’t matter!!! Only which coach and GM makes the critics happy. Heck – we can’t even come to consensus on who drafted whom!!!
I was laughing when reading that Q has already lost his locker room. Sounds like a bunch of softies in Florida. So sad – best coach ever in the history of hockey. They must need better players. Yeah, that’s it. And a better GM. And a better coach!! New owner anyone? Change coaches – it fixes everything!
Except for player attitude and effort. When players don’t want to play for a coach – they don’t.
Time doesn’t change some things. Nor does firing a coach.
Without a top pair of Dmen, we go nowhere. And we don’t have a top pair. Not even A PLAYER. Nobody on this roster will be a top pair Dman next year. NOBODY. We aren’t going anywhere. End of that story. Try to make a 20 year old your top Dman. This board has been doing that for 3 years. That and trying to sing the praises of the turnover machine named Keith. He’s done as a top pair player. Been for years. Ain’t gonna happen again. Steve Konroyd may have to quit his job over the deep depression he gets when he actually finds that out.
Spend more time arguing over who drafted him. At least that is a conversation that makes sense to have.
Well if we keep Collitan as the coach and do this team system, we will be a top 5 team again in about 7 yrs, when 19 88 2 50 are retired because we ll have 10 top 10 picks in a row.
I would rather get an experienced coaches with a good system. BOS is as good as they are-with a core no better then ours because they have a really good system and they have there young players, ours are coming with 27 77 8 just getting here this yr and like you said we played short handed this yr.
Last two yrs and this yr-short handed. Last teo yrs didnt have 6 NHL Defensemen and any players with size. This yr 3 players our for season and normal injuries, normal injuries happen, not 3 out.
We wernt loaded or anything, just getting those 5/6 good players in summer gave us chance to play with a full roster for first time since 2017.
Like the guy in war games says to the other comupter guy, after seeing enough-your new Defense system….sucks.
We do need a few FW and two big Defensemen. Only way to get toppair is ufa unless you want to waste 19 88 >10 yrs left.
Then have a team system that works.
We need both.
Silent a little bit over dramatic on D issue but definitely need a top pair guy added to the mix, if any hope. Caps made Kempny who was no where near a top pairing guy at that point a very serviceable top pair mate for Carlson in their cup run. Oh but I forgot coachs can’t help teams win can they.
@Tim W – Reminder…Beaudin looks like he 12 years old, and gets destroyed in the corners digging for pucks. He is really not strong enough in the defensive zone to play in the NHL. He is excellent with the puck, is a great passer, and skater. He just need to get on a steroid regimen with Sikura!
Morrison,
An experienced coach isn’t a guarantee for success. A coach, any coach, has to have a talented roster to win consistently in this league. Also, many times those “experienced” coaches don’t pan out at all. I thought it was hilarious how so many fans were pining for Babcock after Toronto let him go. Here’s a guy that that hasn’t won a playoff series since 2013, and couldn’t get out of the first round with a talented Toronto. After a subpar start to this season, he was axed and his 39 year old replacement with no NHL coaching experience has them playing. 650 hockey in his 40+ games and they’re in a playoff spot. Maybe Babs lost his touch, rubbed players the wrong way, system wasn’t a fit, etc, but the fact remains the Leafs are a very good, although flawed, team who’s season was turned around by the spark of bringing in a kid with no nhl experience. Outside of a handful of players, this Hawks roster isn’t very good. You could bring in the top 5 coaches in the NHL and it wouldn’t turn them into a playoff caliber team. The problem is Bowman. Far too many stupid contracts, trades, and free agent signings. It started with trading Teravainen just to get rid of Bickell’s ridiculous contract, continued with the absolutely stupid Seabrook extension, and now even Debrincat’s extension isn’t looking very smart. How good would a line of Kane-Teravainen-Saad look right now? I get sick every time I’ve watch Carolina play the last few years and think what could have been. The jury is still out on Boqvist, but we haven’t developed a solid dman since Hjalmarsson. Get used to more of the same next season, too. Hawks have about $71 million committed to next year’s cap. Strome and Kubalik are both due raises, and Caggiula is an RFA, too. We have no goalies signed for next season other than Delia and Tomkins (gross), so even if Crow signs a team friendly deal for maybe 2 years and $4 million per, there isn’t much space left to upgrade the roster. The defense will likely look pretty much the same, unless they find someone to take Maata’s contract and they fill that spot with Mitchell, but he’s just a kid finishing up college. Then there’s the 3 guys on LTIR right now who’s cap hits total over $15 million. Even if the Hawks get lucky and one or more of them retires or starts next season on LTIR, they wouldn’t be able to use that cap space until after the season starts, so no real chance at signing any difference maker during free agency. That trade for Shaw was just stupid, especially considering what they gave up in return. Maybe someone can convince Keith to waive his NMC and we get lucky enough and find a desperate GM willing to take on his $5.5 million cap hit for 3 more seasons. Seabrook isn’t going anywhere. We’re stuck with that atrocious contract for 4 more seasons. Disgusting. Bowman failed at the deadline, too. Didn’t get nearly enough back for Lehner, although I was shocked he even got a 3rd rounder for Gus. When Debrincat’s extension kicks in next season, we’ll have 3 forwards with a combined $27+ cap hit for the next 3 seasons. Yikes. Hell, maybe one day Kane will realize his last few good years are being wasted and ask for a trade to a team with a competent front office.
Okie there are 3 types of ltir, in season as you mentioned and was used in Hossa’s case. There is off season, which is in effect all off season but normally only players who have no hope of playing again. The 3rd which Blackhawks could utilize is season opening. The player(s) are placed on ltir the day before season opens and during offseason if it is expected ltir is to be available all season, the roster built to basically criling without counting ltir salary. The 10% over cap ceiling limit applies in off season, so unless utilizing off season ltir, which allows team to exceed 10% over cap by ltir amount, would limit how high you can go counting ltir salaries too.
Also not so sure on Leafs turn around, last couple of games were good after getting embarassed by zamboni driver goalie. Struggling and lack of effort have plagued them all year, yes a favourable schedule and bit of a run after coaching change makes it seem better than it is. They still don’t appear to be a team going anywhere in the playoffs.
@Rocky – Hey, if Rocky doesn’t mind losing playoff revenue, losing his fan base, and losing star or superstar players in terrible trades, then keep Stan and Colliton around. We’ve all articulated the recurring mistakes that have been made and are the responsibility of McDonough, Stan, and then Colliton. Any other owner would have jettisoned this group already. It’s his team and he can do whatever he chooses, and we can choose to stop watching and paying for tickets.
The Panarin trade would have been enough reason for any sane owner to remove the Three Stooges…Mo (McDonough), Curly (Stan) and Larry (Colliton). At the very least hire Shemp (Laviolette)!
tab
you wrote (i paraphrase): the hawks did precisely that. they added de haan and maatta who were both supposed to be top four d-men. what you neglected to write was “what was bowman thinking? on what team with aspirations to win a cup would either of those two players be a top four d-man?”
maatta isn’t a top four d-man on this pathetic defense. and neither of those two would have played top four on any of the cup winning teams.
OKH using your 71mil lets say we do sign Crow for 4mil. That’s 75mil. Possible get Subban for 4.5 giving NJ Smith and a prospect. 76.25mil. Ristolainen for Maatta and a prospect 77.55mil. Sign Girgensons for 2.5mil we’re at 80mil. People say we have nothing down on the farm so give away prospects not picks.
Would prefer if we can pry away Manson from Ana. Sign Edmundson and Vessey and Hall. I know you are saying we don’t have the money. Make a gentlemen’s agreement that we will sign Hall after the season opens once we are sure of our LTIR $$. A la Toronto with Marner. Probably frowned upon by the NHL.
Reason I don’t bring up Pietrangelo is he will be asking big $$ lots of years, Plus at 30 already. He could be a freak of nature like Chara but who knows.
Next season give Beaudin to Seattle for picking Seabs. Again feel very strong that Seabs will give his blessing to the move.
tommy ivan
can’t blame “larry” for panarin. he wasn’t around then. but you couldn’t be more right about “moe” and “curly.” “moe’s” fingerprints are just as much on the collapse of this franchise as are “curly’s.”
i will go to my grave believing that “curly” was ordered by “moe” to sign both bickell and seabrook because they were blackhawk heroes and “larry” thinks the seats sell because of the names on the sweaters rather than the performance on the ice. bickell was signed for his 2015 playoff heroics and seabrook for the body of his work. a ridiculous contract for bickell based on the best twenty games of his life and even more ridiculous for a fading seabrook because he was a member of the core.
I have nothing agasint Collitan, as every player-basically that comes here, and route for every guy to do good. I know its not just the system, we do need a few FW and maybe two Defensemen-one being toppair. I agree jusy because its an exoerienced coacg=h doesnt mean we win 50-25 record-not even STL COL have that record/yet and they are in good shpae. I want the roster to be HHNL deep top 9/top 4 so we can be a top team again.
Thats why I was saying we need both-team system and those players. I just donot like the team system, where others donot like the players. I think we need both, I know we need the players-kind style that everybody talks about here, I just say system sucks because I think it does/unless we got 23 young players.
I agree to needing both and we should be able to do it. Like Roamns post.
Its why I posted earlier, if you take away a few FW and two good Defensemen from every top 10 team, how good are they. Even with there good systems.
We need both.
@BB Bowman – I agree with you 100%! The Bickell deal was the first domino of idiotic decisions. Time for all of them to go! I just hate when people defend the Bickell deal and his illness. Irregardless of his illness, you don’t give that kind of a contract for 20 games of competence. Also, it’s amazing to me how they reward guys with huge contracts or further opportunities when they don’t really deserve them, but won’t provide an opportunity to young players to show that they are ready, i.e. Jokiraju and Fortin. It’s a f’kd up group that they have there, and things won’t get better until real hockey men are brought in. Just watch how quickly Yzerman rebuilds the Red Wings!!
@JR Roman-
PK Subban? Are you serious? Do you want the defense to get even worse? Girgensons or Vessey? Neither of those guys are difference makers. Ristolainen and Edmunson are terrible possession and shot suppression defensemen. No thanks. If would would take a hell of a lot more than Beaudin to entice Seattle to take on Seabrook’s awful contract for 3 more years.
So if they can rebuild that fast, is because they get 5 top 5 picks in 5 yrs?
I am for new higher up gm coach team system and in/iut the style players we need.
Do not think any gm could have avoided what happens after achieving a dynasty. Just happened faster to us. Which is good in the way we reload sooner and still have yrs left of 19 88, instead of them being 40 by the time we get top draft skill players. We have two and could get another this yr.
I think everybody knows we need to change the entire thing basically. Can look at it different ways, still need more players good structure/gm-wise and a good system.
@Ian
Thx for clarification on the levels of LTIR.
As far as the Leafs go, O’Keefe has been there since late November, and they’re 26-13-4 under him. It’s not cuz they’ve had a favorable schedule for the past 3+ months. Once again their goaltending and defense remain question marks, but if they can avoid Boston in the first round, they might actually have a shot to advance depending on who they draw, that is if they hang onto that playoff spot for the next month.
I like reading/hearing the names of players that we should get-ideas. If there not good then who should we get that are.
Lets assemble the 23man/dress, in what are the kind of players we need to win with. Fill in the blanks with HHNL top 9 FW top 4 D players.
8 19 ?
20 ? 88
? ? ?
? ? ?
? 27
2 5
? ?
50
?
We get to ltir 7 65 44 and trade 15 6 other.
Make it happen with players that are good at D.
This is for everybody. Tim/other had some good ideas for some of the spots.
Unless FLR goes on a run, TOR is 3 seed and should get whalloped by TB. Its TB yr as they donot have to play a loaded up CLB team with a Bob. They show up to play game 6 or 7 and they win the Cup that yr.
I think they do this YR.
Didnt TOR get some good Defensemen and they are still that kind of top 5 OFF and bottom 5 DEF. They still have taht game 7 goalie.
We ll see how BOS really is now when they play TB. Last time TB beat them good-like how WAS beat VEG. Which might help WAS and Cambell team if BOS-TB wear each other out.
If COL can get by STL headlocks, a COL TB finals would be good for the sport, with TB winning the CUP. A well deserved Cup, being the top team for yrs since Blackhawks 2015 dynasty yrs. For COL they are sort of like the 2015 TB team, a young team ready to maybe play for Cup, that deserves to lose and pay there dues before they win. Like WAS STL did for 10 yrs, then they won.
@Morrison,
What exactly do you mean when you talk about Colliton’s system? I see that term used quite a bit, and I bet most people don’t even know what they’re talking about. They actually did try a new defensive scheme earlier this season, and had a little success with it until deHaan went down. Any system is going to only as good as the players. We don’t have those, especially on defense and we gave very few defensively responsible forwards. Also, not nearly enough size or speed. Far too often the past few seasons we’ve watched this team just be just completely overmatched and can’t keep up with the speed of other teams, nor do we have the size, physicality, or grit to counter it. So often we’ve seen our goalies get frustrated when opposing teams swarm the net or camp out in front of the crease with little to no resistance from the soft group of defenders we have. Hell, even look at the guys they’ve brought up through the system the last few years. Bunch of pansy ass waifs like Highmore, Sikura, etc, and now Hagel. A new system isn’t going to make Keith 5 years younger, Seabrook from being a pylon, raise Maata’s or Koekkoek’s hockey IQ, etc.
8 19 20
88 77 HALL
12 17 91
92 36 MATT MARTIN
27 MANSON
2 5
GOSTISHERE 55/68
50/ELLIOT
22 64
Would like to see Okie’s names.
Okie HF – agree. The system as designed won’t work in Chicago because we don’t have the personnel. That’s on Colliton to adapt, or Bowman to get players capable of working hard enough for the system. I have my issues with asking Dmen (particularly on our team who simply are not good skaters) to chase forwards out past the dots. Nothing good happens out there for a slow Dman. Average skating Keith tends to play more in the position anyway as there is considerably less traffic and physical play when you get 10-15 feet away from the net. That suits his non-contact approach nicely. But Maatta can’t recover, Boqvist gets turned around like a Bob Nardella turnstyle, and KK just prefers to run into someone than chase the guy. DeHaan and Murphy came from teams that ran similar systems and know what it entails, but they are the exceptions. And the forwards simply have no desire to work that hard, at least Dcat, Kane, even Toews gets lost all the time. It is far too often that forwards loose their checks and chaos ensues, which creates more chaos.
Hey Ian – Kempny is the perfect example of why the doghouse and fighting between Bowman and HOF coacher Q was the biggest problem on the team. What did we get – a 4th for a guy who was capable of stepping into a 1st pair position and hold his own? I guess 60 games in the press box showed Washington how good our defensive depth was at the time. We could sit guys better than Washington had available to them!
Kempny was also a veteran of some 7 years at the time, who literally sat more games that year than our kids have played in the NHL to this point. I had no problem seeing Kempny get put into a role he could play. I had bet on Washington to win the cup that year…. Thanks Q!!
We go nowhere with 27 as a top pair guy next year. He needs to get MUCH better in skating skills. For all the hype about his fantastic skating, I guess everyone forgot that Dmen are supposed to be able to skate backwards too. He gets beat wide like a rental mule…. A long way to go for him. Maybe some day, but I’ll take the bet that it won’t be next year, nor will it be anyone else we have in our system.
Next year will be a waste if 2 and 27 are playing top pair minutes on this team.
We don’t figure to have as strong a goalie tandem, which will expose them even more.
Okie the system was the rhetoric coming from the organization after Colliton hired. After the promise of big things this season, the crash and burn defense that rhetoric has gone away but not the system. If you watch when play scrambly after a turnover, watch the players instead of acting on instinct, trying to locate their man and goalues getting hung out to dry.
Silent Kempny is perfect example as showing as posters we are in no position to judge or any real clue to who is in the system waiting to break out.
As a board Ian, we made perfectly clear our ignorance by appointing Rutta, Forsling, Joki and several other young Dmen as 1st pair guys. We did it for 3 years, and this year appears to be no different.
Ironic how the one the HOF coach liked the least, was actually the best. And yes, there were many on this board who thought Kempny deserved a chance.
As blind squirrels, maybe some day we will guess a top pair Dman in our system. Meanwhile, I’ll take the under on that bet, and hope we find a castoff or two from another team to fill the 2 GIANT SIZED holes in our lineup.
Silent exactly we are all right sometimes and more often than not wrong, thats life. I admit i judged Kempny by the world cup tournament which he looked way over his head. Some as you say were right. Though Caps coaches didn’t give him the usual top pairing responsibilities that year and eased him into role over next couple of seasons, he is now showing he can play at a high level in all situations. Showing their confidence in him has paid off and ironically not getting a bigger opportunity here may have saved his career as Caps may have not given up more than a 4th at that point.
As far your comment Collitons system not right for the personnel. I believe now the reason teams aren’t using it who may have different personnel is because it’s not one that can prosper this league at the speed the game is played in Nhl. May be simple for everybody to play, just not successfully at this level.
Valid points about the man system and current flaws that are exploited. Carolina still plays it and plays it well. But they have a coach that players play HARD for, and that is big. With Dmen generally being better skaters than in years past, and the clutching and grabbing frowned upon in the league (for the most part) a dedicated man system is indeed far more work than before for forwards, and this current generation of stars and players is not known for wanting to work hard (see Toronto, older EDM teams as my poster boys). This generation is about goals, particularly scoring them. The pride in being a 2-way player or a highly responsible forward is not given the glory is used to receive. Heck, the “best” defensman goes to the guy who scores the most points, not the guy playing the best defense. See Erik Karlsson…
Defense is work and attitude. Half-assed efforts simply don’t work. True in most all sports, not just hockey.
Kudos to Kempny. He was given an opportunity, and stepped up and made the most of it. He fell into the right situation at the right time, with a coach known for having a patient attitude with defensemen. It’s a good story.
I can’t believe that both Boquist and especially Nylander are going to get bonuses this yr. what has either done to deserve a bonus. Boquist would have been better served playing 20 plus minutes in Rockford . As for Nylander , it was a waste of a roster spot. IMO it was a marketing ploy for trading Joki. Bowman has to go
Great discussion on LTIR & Cap numbers! Even if Seebs pulls Hossa NTC waiver, no one is going to bite as earlier post said. So…do buyout of Seebs. We save very little but…? Frustrating.
Kempny averaging 16 min. ice time.
Oesterle 20 min. ice time ,
Jokiharju 18 min .ice time .
3 Hawk castaways ,why keep and develop those players when you can over pay broken down de Haan and puck cougher Maatta.
There will always be a problem with a smaller team trying to effectively play that man on man system especially if you are soft on the puck.You end up on the wrong side of your checks and don’t knock puck carriers off the puck to gain possession.So you end up chasing and running around leaving the center of the ice and slots wide open.
Alec Regula OHL defenseman of the month. I am no Stanbo fan but getting a guy with some upside in exchange for fool’s gold is always a good deal.
From amongst Regula, Mitchell, Vlasic, Demin, Carlsson, and Beaudin hopefully at least a couple of them make it. No clear stud there but some decent potential.
@ bobby9
not to mention a year of the elc for 27 is blown. and two more games and his ufa clock starts. same for dach. and for what?
are both better players than they were in september? sure. would they have been better players had they played in the ahl and whl? can’t imagine why not. are they solid nhl players? neither one imo. just better than when they started the season, but players in the bodies of children trying to survive in an adult league. one thing is absolutely certain is their contributions have not helped the hawks attain a playoff spot.
as for nylander. you know he was going to get the longest leash ever rather than bowman admitting the trade was a failure.
but bowman gone is not nearly enough. he has to be gone, but either mc donough with him or demoted to operations and marketing and a real hickey executive hired to run the player part of the organization.
I think Ditka should be Hawks GM. Oh….I love the ‘85 Bears.
@ Jordy
I recall of whole of fans being pissed when Perlini was traded. The guy is a bum with no heart or commitment. 39 games with the Wings and he’s got a whole 1 goal, 3 assists, and awful corsi relative and fenwick relative numbers. From what I’ve been researching on Regula, he’s racking up a ton of points on the point-forward spot on their pp unit. Could wind up being a huge steal if he’s able to contribute one day. Probably at least a couple years away, but I’d have been happy to get a months supply of tape in return for Perlini.
@ Bye Bye Bowman
Well, Dale might be available after this season. If Florida misses the playoffs yet again, especially with all the hype at the beginning of this season, I don’t see how they can justify keeping him on any longer. He’s had a decade there and has two playoff trips, no playoff series wins, and a slew if terrible decisions.
@ okie hawks fan
i am fine with you as vp of hockey operations. as long as mc d and bowman are gone.
Okie/Silent, not trying to disagree. I agree with most of what you guys are saying. I just donot like this team system. Same reason why I think we suck at dumo and chase because none of out players/only new ones know how to do it because we never did it for ten yrs.
We do need more new players that can play that way.
Even if we get who we should this summer/and maybe some of it comes in trade first half next yr. The 3 FWs with size and speed and two big Defensemen-one being legt toppair both size and speed. I still do not think were top 5/10, though were on the way.
For 27 being toppair with a new legit toppair Defensemen added this summer. Why not he leanr and get better.
These things should get us ready for when we could be good/deep, the 22 season.
Silent it’s ironic you mention Carolina, because was i listening to some recent discussion on their defensive woes this season. One of the first things mentioned was how they were missing Dehaan and how disciplined he played in their own end for them.
Jordy Agree hoping Regula can be an impact defenseman in another year or two, could be a steal.
Bobby those 2 may quite possibly not earn their bonuses, probably Kubalik for sure and maybe Dach and Strome earn a little bit of theirs, plus Debrincat a small one.
Q might have really lit the fire under Kempny that ignited him to do what he was told. Then that coach did, his, thing.
Change Mcd and gm crew. Then add what we need 3 FWs two Defensemen-one legit toppair and then lets see how Collitans system goes. If the system still sucks then can we get a new system.
Roamn, thanks for the players by name. I like to look then up and see how the lines look and simulate some games.
Sometimes it looks good or not on paper. We need to keep working to get right mix.
What we cant do is sit pat and say oh jeesh, we cant get any better so lets keep it basically the same.
We have no size or players who hit. I mean checking and physical on the puck, not sheap shots stuff. None.
Lets get what we need first then see if system can work.
Mo gotta wait see if any Europeans signed or traded for again this spring, whether it’s Shalunov or another fa(s) or both. Often plays a role in shaping roster, plus where no. 1 pick falls could impact next years roster too. Ltir status probably going to play a role too, so things libel to change with what happens there.
Coaches put together lines, place players in a position to succeed, cut players at camp, bench players or send players back to the Juniors. So, last season, Colliton finally put Kane along with Toews, and his ass was saved by that duo, otherwise they would have lost maybe 20 in a row.
When a coach traps Kane by giving him Carpenter and Nylander for 60 minutes, he should be fired right after the game! Last season DCAT and Strome connected on the PP and occasionally 5 on 5. This season he split them up and had Strome at times on the wing.
Dach should have returned to the WHL, play the Junior tournament with Canada and Boqvist should have played an entire season in ROCKFORD. But, if Bowman promised them bonuses, then once again, this team will be doomed with more Cap issues and Bowman remains the problem. He knew Zach Smith was not going to be better than Anisimov so he was hoping that Dach was the next Toews and get 65 points or more playing center! NO WAY!
The team is weaker up front and signing two bottom six dmen who have a huge cap hit once again shows his inability to put a roster together that creates balance. Add spending ridiculous money, $5 million on a backup goalie this season and $3 million last season on Cam Ward, then how can anyone believe Bowman and this coach can retool the Hawks into the playoffs.
When you have cup champs like 19, 88, 2, 7, 50 on the team and all this GM can do is sign 4th line players of bottom 6 dmen, then who is responsible? The bottom line is if he would have drafted better in the 2nd and 3rd rounds the last 10 seasons and not trade away players like Teuvo , Danault, Schmaltz and Hartman….we would be in the playoffs.
HIRE LAVIOLETTE……HIRE MARK HUNTER…… both know Patrick Kane very well. And by the way, Panarin has made the playoffs every season since being traded away by Bowman. And this season, up until Krieder’s injury last week, the Rangers were getting close to making it as well.
Tanner Kero, Victor Edjsell, Jeff Glass, Brandon Manning, Carl Dahlstrom, Andreas Martinson, Blake Hillman, John Hayden, Chris Kunitz, Drake Caggiula, Lance Bouma, Matthew Highmore, Brandon Davidson, Cam Ward, Cody Franson, Tommy Wingels, Gutsva Forsling, David Kampf, Jordan Schroeder, Dylan Sikura, Tomas Jurco, Anton Forsberg, William Pelletier, Tyler Motte, Jordin Tootoo, Kyle Baun, Ville Pkka, Luc Snuggerud, Laurent Dauphin, Denis Rasmussen, Mac Carruth, Viktor Svedberg, Dale Weise, Ryan Garbutt, Brandon Mashinter, Jean Francois Berube, Scott Darling, Christian Ehrhoff, Rob Scuderi, David Rundblad?
Thx Stan, Stan, Mark.
Boys-Help me out here. Does it seem to you that the Hawks defer to Toews and have hung Kane out to dry again this year? 4 instance, they gave Toews Kubalik and Kane Nylander! OK- Saad- Kubalik- Toews works so keep them together. BUT-last year Kane-Cat-Strome worked ( & then some). Yet Cat- Strome have been split up often this year. Give Kane something to work with ! Cat & Strome! & now a rosanne rosannadanna-I hope Shaw retires. I am worried about Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy with him. He’s got a nice family. You can’t teach heart-Andrew has that in spades. I hope his heart tells him to be a coach or scout. I grimace every time he takes a head shot. He doesn’t know any way else to play-God Bless him…but that’s the problem.
Tim2-whether it is fair or not 88 as the ability to elevate the game of others and I think coaches try to get players going by playing that person(s) with Kane. He does deserve greater consistency and top level players.
Maybe it speaks just as much to the lack of talent depth on the team after 88 and 19.
Hopefully Kubalik is for real and the Cat returns to a 30+ goal scorer. Saad has been good, but doesn’t seem to click with 88. Where they put Dach in next year will be interesting.
They really need a very talented power forward with edge-ie not Kubalik or Saad.
(Hard to find)
Thanks, noons.
Hopefully Kane is given a line he can thrive with next year, he is the player who needs to be in that situattion. Not real big on him and Cat on same line regularly for obvious reasons, but in situational shifts go for it.
Tim a big part of the reason for reacquiring Shaw, could be knowing his situation and how he played in playoffs for them with serious concussion issues before the facts of concussions were accepted and to make sure he is getting right treatment. My feeling is he finishes his contract on ltir and his playing days are through. Just hope he is able to have a future symptom free for him and his family.
at tim w.
seems from your comments you’ve been a fan for quite a while. have to take a little exception to your comment that bowman went out and got de haan an maatta to be #4 & #5 defenseman and the fans didn’t buy it. that might apply to those fans who have been around for quite awhile, but the newbies who signed on in the last decade don’t know how full of shit bowman is. or much about hockey either. i took a lot of abuse for criticizing those trades and calling out bowman for making them.
@ ian
you said the hawks gave up two players they were going to lose anyway for de haan so why not make the trade. you said nothing to lose taking a chance on de haan’s health.
well they got 29 games, the inevitable injury, a cloudy future, a big cap hit this year, and a big cap hit for the next two years.
someone else mentioned maatta and kahun was basically a break even. well it wasn’t because maatta is a #6 or #7 on a real hockey team, carried a big cap hit this year, and does for the next two years.
and please save the buy out nonsense. if buy outs were the way to go de haan, smith, maatta, carpenter, shaw, and seabrook would all be gone next year. buyouts are desperation moves and shrink the cap space. and let’s not forget the moron bowman put the team back in cap hell next year with the $13.5 million in contracts for de haan, maatta, shaw, and carpenter in a futile attempt to squeeze into the playoffs. so whoever they buyout is going to hurt. sure wouldn’t mind having kahun back as a solid third liner on a contract much less than maatta’s.
Bye Bye Bowman-I agree with you.All of these Bowman moves the last year were nothing but a marketing charade.The fan that they are attracting are easily fooled and if you don’t follow hockey I really can’t blame them initially. But,when you see the product on the ice you should know you have been lied to.This organization does not yet have the motivation to get on par with the rest of the league.When the sellouts stop,serious people will be brought in to rebuild a once great organization.
@Hull65…Hilarious…sing it to the music of “Life Is a Rock (But the Radio Rolled Me)” by Reunion…plus, I don’t see my favorites Tomas Fleischman and the supremely talented Kimmo Timmonen!
Tanner Kero, Victor Edjsell, Jeff Glass, Brandon Manning, Carl Dahlstrom, Andreas Martinson, Blake Hillman, John Hayden, Chris Kunitz, Drake Caggiula, Lance Bouma, Matthew Highmore, Brandon Davidson, Cam Ward, Cody Franson, Tommy Wingels, Gutsva Forsling, David Kampf, Jordan Schroeder, Dylan Sikura, Tomas Jurco, Anton Forsberg, William Pelletier, Tyler Motte, Jordin Tootoo, Kyle Baun, Ville Pkka, Luc Snuggerud, Laurent Dauphin, Denis Rasmussen, Mac Carruth, Viktor Svedberg, Dale Weise, Ryan Garbutt, Brandon Mashinter, Jean Francois Berube, Scott Darling, Christian Ehrhoff, Rob Scuderi, David Rundblad?
Bye bye Bowman agree, i have been beating the there is work to be done this offseason drum since last summer. Doesn’ t msan it can’t be done nor do i see, any reason to dump star players to make cap space as before. There is moveable parts and options on how to get it done, but until we have some questions answered no point speculating how. As long time fan i’m never thought i would see the success of this last decade, as someone mentioned 29 other teams fans would trade places. If a few years of down time result in more success, not another franchise will have what us Blackhawks fans have enjoyed, as if you say you are long time fan you realize how much that should be appreciated.
@ tim w.
started spending the winters in arizona six years ago so found four guys to buy most of my hawks season tickets. of course i was home in time for the playoffs. seats in the fourth row of third deck on the goal line where the hawks shoot twice.
the 2017-18 season my seats cost $100. sold 3o games @ $125 per ticket. went to a few games in the fall and held out a few to sell for more money. the hawks played the blues at home in march of 2018. i sold those seats the previous december for $200 per tickets. they also played the blues at home in april that year, i sold the seats in march, and was lucky to get $65 per ticket. the writing was on the wall.
the four guys who bought 30 games for 17-18 spoke up for 10 games for 18-19. i gave up the tickets. had season seats for 35 years at various locations at the stadium and the uc. it was a good run, but i wasn’t going to lose money on the tickets.
tickets this year have been available for every game on stub hub at under ticket value prices. this is going to continue because it isn’t chic to go to games to watch a losing team and the hard core fans aren’t stupid. hopefully rocky wakes up and realizes it is time for a real hockey man to be running the organization. bowman out. mc donough out or reassigned to ticket sales and daily operations.
it’s going to be a wasteland until changes are made.
I know everyone loves Crawford but there’s no way this team can bring him back unless he wants to play for free. Next year’s not looking any better than this year money wise so why overpay for Crawford? Dump some contracts and see what kids you can use.
I hear you.Every year without exception I have gone to 10 to 12 regular season games and a couple of late round playoff games.Tonight will be my 1st game of the season.I am going because my brother is taking me for my birthday and the night is on him.Sad what it has come to.
Also will be at the game. Manson with a Gordie Howe Hat Trick.
Tim 2, I think 88 got to play with 72 for two yrs and was one of the top lines in league 72 15 88. Then 19 had to play with inexperienced rookies for two yrs, funny the two yrs 19 was off a little. Now since then/20 came back 19 didnt really play that much with 20, is at least playing with NHL players. 8 is a NHL player.
Wish well for Shawzer, like Bicks, and those goes can g back to that river and fishing again like summer of 13 14 15. I forget when the pic was from.
Whooooo!
FOr how to fix roster, get rid of players we donot want to keep and add players we need-the style.
Of every way we have posted on how we cant fix the roster/gm/mcd.
I didn’t fail. I just found 2,000 ways not to make a lightbulb; I only needed to find one way to make it work.
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Wonder if some of these Defensemen guys have similiar-enough caphits, That would be very doable. We are going to ltir and trade players, were not going to sit and keep those bad caphits and look like that coach in bobby bouche without his green playbook.
Mo do you think theres a chance if Bowman and Colliton return, that 19, 88 and 2 agree to waive nmcs and ask for a trade. Seems their not on same page and 19, 88 and 2, relationship with front office may have deteriorated, no longer happy with current regime. If you listened to comments recently not alot of positive rhetoric coming from either side about the other one.
Roman, like those players have size and speed/Martin. Mason looks real good for toppair Defensemen.
Hall? is that kind of player Noonan wants for Kaner.
Gus good at OFF, Gos good at both.
Martin will actually check and hit other teams players regularly-like Gilbert, unlike 15/others.
Well its to the point, for this yr, they realize we wasted this yr. System is not good for them/others, And we do need 3FW 2D more then we had anyways.
They know we need more players. They know better then anyone of us, if we need a better team system-like BOS system.
If we sit and do nothing because people feel abused to do so by caphits, then yes 19 88 2 might leave. I would hope/guess that 19 88 2 have more pull in Blackhawks history then mcd gm coaches. So to me it gets worse, thing are said thrown whatever it takes to make Wirtz see, ok I need to do something bigger here.
And we go to FLR and we get the money.
Until 19 88 2 are traded, I donot believe a word of that bullshit.
We need the Hansons, literally. Then we have a better mix.
I would guess 19 88 2 are dynasty players top 100 alltime players best/one of the best groups in Blackhawks history. If the 2nd alltime coach in the NHL had to go in favor of the players, then everyone else needs to leave in favor of the players. Otherwise that could happen.
I think though that kind of, talk-like Sharpy says, would get things to happen and bring in the new team system and coaches and gm crew and higher ups.
Get the Wortz reset going because thats what its going to take to chisel out the core this time.
A new gm coaches team system is what ts going to take to do this. This is the best thing for the Blackhawks, yes? Yes it is.
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We should just ltir those players, trade which ever players-using prospects were not keeping. Get those Roman-ufa players that we need.
Only thing that should stay the course is the good prospects that will make the 23man deep again in a couple yrs. Get these very good ufa players Roamn listed this summer/nest summer and then fill in with the young wavers.
Have to have a different team system, just like the gm-to make these moves.
Damn Moors-Thomas F’ing Edison. Very good. When Kane had Breadman & Anisimov, I forgot Toews got Panik ( not exactly Panarin) I think Hossa was still on Toews line, wasn’t he? But-Hossa wasn’t 100 per cent. Go Hawks tonite.
It will be interesting to see how the Blues try and fit Pietrangelo in for his new contract.Falk and Parayko are both healthy cap hits and I believe they have to make a decision on Tarasenko also.The Ducks love Manson so it would be difficult to get him.Gostisbehere could be had though.The Bruins allegedly don’t want to pay Krug more than their top line players,so we will see if he hits the market.
BOS doesnt pay there players what they deserve, they lowball them-sort of. So we should be able to get Manson/Krug with a fair-deserving caphit to the player. Thing is ANA sucks BOS is good so it kind of seems backwards in staying, idnk. For Gos he would be like 56 and be good at D.
So maybe its Krug and Gos. Is Krug big enough to be toppair size wise.
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If we cant win without a toppair, then get a toppair-no questions asked or excuses.
How injured is Ceci?
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Gudas 5
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12 17 Martin
92 36 Reaves
Anyone starts any cheap shit you put out
Martin Highmore Reaves
Gudas Murphy
If you know there’s going to be trouble or got to payback a team suit up Seeler and Gibert. Old time Eddie Shore hockey!
Ian – I agree that there are hints that 19,88 and 2 want some answers as to what the plan is and if it’s a longer term one then one or more may want out
This is why I think the Hawks will try to reload rather than rebuild
The Hawks have a favourable schedule to end the year with many non-playoff teams included and 11 of 17 games at home
However two things mitigate against them going on a run
1) they suck at home
2) they suck when playing easier opponents in crucial games
Up until now they haven’t brought the requisite urgency to change either 1) or 2)
…so I’m not expecting a run and not really even expecting a win tonight unless Crow stands on his head again
To follow up on another comment regarding who Kane has had to play with this year
To saddle Kane with Carpenter for any length of time like JC did was a good lesson on how a coach can negatively impact a team
It could be dismissed as a one off if JC hadn’t previously saddled Saad and Kubalik with Kampf for way too long and took way too long to put Kubalik on PP1 and way too long to put Saad on any PP and took way too long to adjust his D scheme at the start of the year which (as Keith said very recently) lead to the hole they’re still trying to climb out of
Unless there’s a coaching change I remain pessimistic
Wrap thst’s what i’m thinking, Bowmans comments referred to maybe taking longer rebuild and he was kind of indignant when asked if he would discuss it with 19 snd 88. Saying they deserve respect but their job is to play hockey and his is to run the team as part of his answer. Kane when asked said he would have to sit down with McDonough after season. So sounds like different pages.
Almost like if Bowman and Colliton return, terms will be 19, 88 and 2 can help develop young guys with possibility of not being part of a cup run for few years if at all until their contracts run out, or try to accommodate any trade wishes. If keeping 19, 88, and 2 happy then a new Gm and coach team and a plan to make another cup run asap.
@ hull65 @tommy ivan
didn’t see the inimitable marko dano, but guessing that was an oversight.
an pleased to see that alexandre fortin is not on the list. i still want to see him get 20 games without looking over his shoulder to play fourth line and kill penalties. from what i remember he actually hustled back down the ice and makes an effort defensively. and has speed to burn. he probably isn’t the top six forward they were hoping for, but ……. speed plays well anywhere in the line up.
@ hull65 & tommy ivan
don’t mean to be picky, but as long as we are having fun: brian bollig, sheldon brookbank, peter regin, and & michael kostka.
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Ian, I didnt read/know any comments by team/org. So I was just guessing when yuo asked that.
I vote for this because we can always do a longterm rebuild after 19 88 2 retire, we cant before.
If keeping 19, 88, and 2 happy then a new Gm and coach team and a plan to make another cup run asap.
Roamn, liking the-names of good players to add. We have to add a toppair Defensemen or 19 88 2 leave town.
Have 19 88 2 leave town 5 and 7 yrs early/Load up better for 27 77
or
Get what we need, mcd/gm/coaches/team system, and style of players we need-2FW 2D for 19 88 2 to play here for there careers 5 and 7 more yrs with a top team again for 5 rys.
I like Brooksy and he played really good when Dunks was out that game.
Bollig was alright, he netted us a 3rd pick. Who did we draft with that.
Worst comment of the season to date….and this is a tough one believe me:
Goes to Earl.
So dump Crawford and go with kids for both your goalies. Yeah sure if you want to guarantee a top spot in the lottery. Rather than overpay Crawford? So many of you on this board think overpaying Crawford is anything over 4/4.5M a year which considering his resume and current level of play would be a steal. Look around and find me any goalies with similar resumes playing at the level he is now making under 5M? Good luck. I’d take him anything under 7/7.5M especially if it’s with a plan to make a deep playoff run. But Earl thinks he should play for free or else we are overpaying him. I don’t even know what to say to that except – you have the right to your opinion but by literallly slapping Crow (a big reason we have multiple cups, Warrior, concussion battler while his often half effort or fully clueless d-corps still lets guys run him over most games without repercussions ) in the face the way you are doing with your absurd comment, you’ve lost the right to call yourself a fan of the blackhawks (in my humble opinion at least). Maybe you are a fan of winning the lottery now instead.
What the hell happened to Nylander tonight? We were better in transition…were good exiting our d zone tonight. I know it was the Duck…but still.