Five More: Blackhawks Pummeled by Panthers

Here come the Hawks, the… rebuilding… Blackhawks!

After a couple losses in Tampa that were far from pretty, Collin Delia got a second straight start between the pipes. He started well in Tampa but the second period proved to be too much for the Hawks to overcome. Five goals in both games isn’t a trend the Hawks would like to see continue.

The Blackhawks crossed the state to face a Florida Panthers team that was playing its first game of the season after their opening set with Dallas was postponed because of the COVID issues hitting the Stars.

How would the Hawks play? How would the Panthers look in their first action of the season? Would the script change for Chicago?

The opening period was much better for Chicago defensively, but generating consistent offense continued to be an issue.

It looked like the Blackhawks took the lead when Pius Suter got the puck on a breakaway and made a gorgeous pass to Patrick Kane, who made the deposit. Unfortunately, Kane was offsides on the play and the goal was taken off the board.

The Hawks were out-shot 12-5 in the period but Delia looked good. He made a few strong saves and the Hawks were able to kill a penalty 63 seconds into the opening frame when Alex DeBrincat went to the box.

After 20 minutes the score was tied at zero.

The second period was a different story.

Aaron Ekblad scored an unassisted goal 12 seconds into the period to give Florida the lead. Keith Yandle scored at 5:33 to extend Florida’s lead to two and that uneasy feeling of the opposition going on a run was back.

The Blackhawks got a power play late in the period and were able to convert. DeBrincat scored to get Chicago on the board and cut the lead in half.

The assists went to Kane and Duncan Keith.

Through two periods DeBrincat had skated 16:20 already with three shots on net. He looked good and Jeremy Colliton was riding him hard.

Chicago out-shot Florida 10-7 in the second period and trailed by one heading to the third.

Ian Mitchell was the only Blackhawks defenseman without any special teams ice time through two periods, but he had more than three minutes more ice time than Adam Boqvist.

Lucas Wallmark went to the box 1:42 into the second but Florida bailed the Hawks out; Jonathan Huberdeau killed the penalty 67 seconds later when he sat for two minutes of his own.

The Blackhawks took advantage of the 4-on-4 opportunity. Connor Murphy scored four seconds into the Huberdeau penalty to tie the game.

Sadly, the tie lasted only 22 seconds. Eetu Luostarinen scored his first of the season to give Florida a 3-2 lead.

Huberdeau came out of the box and immediately made an impact. A shot that appeared to possibly have been redirected by Calvin de Haan slid through Delia into the net for a fourth Florida goal. The goal was officially credited to Patric Hornqvist with assists to Huberdeau and Radko Gudas.

Chicago allowed two goals in 3:04 after tying the game.

And, importantly, the Panthers covered their 3.5 goal over/under.

The Hawks couldn’t sustain any offense, so the two-goal lead felt like 10. Boqvist looked lost most of the night and his ice time was limited because of it.

With 3:05 left in regulation and the Blackhawks scrambling defensively (again), Huberdeau scored a power play goal to make it three games of five goals against to start the season. The goal came eight seconds into a Ryan Carpenter penalty.

Chicago had killed all three penalties to that point. Maybe staying out of the box would be a good scheme in the next game? Four power plays is too many with this roster.

The final three minutes painlessly came off the clock without a decent scoring chance for the Blackhawks.

Delia was on the worst end of the stat sheet but it largely wasn’t his fault. The Blackhawks continue searching for chemistry on the ice and their defensive coverage is paying for it.

Mitchell skated 17:39 to 13:11 for Boqvist, but still couldn’t get on the ice for special teams.

DeBrincat led the Hawks with four shots on net in 21:55. Kane put three shots on net in 22:30 to lead Chicago forwards in ice time.

Matthew Highmore was limited to 6:27 and may be the odd man out when Carl Soderberg is able to join the team.

93 thoughts on “Five More: Blackhawks Pummeled by Panthers

  • January 17, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    Even though we have more big guys this yr good thing teams like COL STL ANA LA other teams that play dirty or cheap in ways we donot play for another 9 mths.

    So the younger players can get feet wet and learn to play not agasint that for this yr.

    Donot want to see anyone get hurt learning here/BoQ.

  • January 17, 2021 at 8:56 pm

    hawks will continue to give up five goals per game and get the first draft pick, which they will package with seabrook in a trade for a seventh pick, and then sign trubisky to play goalie.

  • January 17, 2021 at 8:57 pm

    Yeah, Colliton is the guy to teach, mentor and motivate a roster during a full rebuild. I can’t believe it, but this idiot is actually being allowed to try and implement a European style of hockey. Mark my word, there is going to be a mutiny led by Kane, Keith, Murphy and perhaps a few others. I give it to February 1.

    And Boqvist? Complete dog crap. Get him out of Chicago tonight. It is appalling how ill equipped he is to play defense. Again, I could care less that he’s young. In no way, shape or form is his game NHL standard. The severity of how awful he is can’t be hidden. Yeesh.

  • January 17, 2021 at 8:58 pm

    The site says…LEAVE A REPLY……why?

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:12 pm

    We all saw the game, therefore we all saw the mistakes and weak/poor plays, so I have no intention of belaboring those as I’m sure there will be no shortage of commentary in that regard. Rather, I’m going to point out some positives, because, after all, that is the purpose of this season – for the young guys to grow and show their game.

    My 1st star is Suter. I like that guy. My expectations for him were fairly high and I’m not disappointed. Some said he would be somewhere between Kahun and Kubalik and while he may not have the laser shot of Kubalik, I think he has a better 3-zone game than either Kahun or Kubalik. Too early to make any proclamations but so far I like what I see.

    My second star is Kurashev. He wasn’t quite as noticeable in this game as he was in his first game, but he still made some plays and is showing he can play with the big boys. Again, no proclamations yet, but so far so good.

    My third star is Zadorov. It’s nice to see a heavy weight wearing a Hawks jersey lay the wood. I want to see more of that. A lot more.

    Honorable mention: DCat connecting on his one-timer again. Let’s hope we see a whole lot of that during the season.

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:16 pm

    All of this pain will be completely forgotten when we draft Owen Power in July.
    On another positive note. Goalie Drew Commesso stole a victory for Boston University today. Big win over UMass. BU was badly outplayed and outshot. A goalie win for sure. The announcers were raving about what a stud Commesso is in net.

    Alex Vlasic. Top pairing on defense. +3

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    4 more games for Boq then bring in Beaudin.

    7 games for Beaudin then bring in Kalynuk

    7 games for Kalynuk then bring in Carlsson

    7 games for Carlsson then bring in Regula

    7 games for Regula then bring in Krys

    Last 21 games pair two of the above as 3rd pair for 7 games

    Then two others for third pair for 7

    Then try to match the two best or who plays well together for the last 7 games.

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:19 pm

    Sorry forgot Vlasic

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    Totally agree with Ebony Raptor. Suter looks like he belongs. Gorgeous feed to Kane for the goal. Replay wiped it out but we all saw it.
    Kurashev can play at the NHL pace, that’s positive.
    DeCat is back to scoring which is positive going forward.

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    This is UGLY! Boqvist is not an NHL player, thank you Stan!!

    You can tell that this club has no clue of how to cover in our own zone when the opposition gets possession and sets up. Our forwards have no clue of who to cover, where to go or how to stop the puck possession. When we need a big save we cannot get one, either.

    Our defense is not THAT bad, but our forwards are really horrible on the back check. When we lose momentum we have nobody that wants to lay a big hit on someone or anyone that can try and get the momentum back AND this includes the head coach!

    You cannot play European hockey in the NHL. In the NHL you have to finish your checks and we don’t have many forwards who even want to finish a check or even play hard on the boards.

    Boys and girls…………this is going to be a LONG and PAINFUL rebuild!!

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    ER – I appreciate the positive approach since this is going to be a long season. Kurashev has been very noticeable- decent skater with nice hands. Zadorov separating players from pucks and throwing heavy checks is something we haven’t seen in a while. I did get a nice laugh listening to Konroyd after the 5th goal. “Duncs threw the puck up the middle but unfortunately Barkov was there”. Using that analysis I fear there will be many unfortunate plays this season.

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    JR,I can’t watch Boqvist dog it and get ragdolled for another 4 games.This kid would still be bad in a no check league.Keith played the roll of turnstile and Pez dispenser tonight,sad.Even in a rebuild the Hawks do not need to play 2 4th lines that don’t take the body.In the net,its Lankinen time.Please get Carllson in for Boqvist and give Mitchell some powerplay time.

  • January 17, 2021 at 9:54 pm

    Game 3 in a year management declared a rebuilding /development year and….Boqvist is declared a bust by some. Scratching my head.

    “Thanks very much, your 3 games have shown us___X____, too little.” Duncan Keith at age 20 was naturally a Norris or Selke candidate already.

    Everyone…take some deep breaths. It’s going to be bumpy. If you aren’t ready for the ride, come back in July.

    Personally, it’s going to be fun seeing what we have. And, yes, Boqvist is going to be fine.

  • January 17, 2021 at 10:01 pm

    Bowman, how you still have a job I don’t know. You handcuffed your fan base to a pseudo-intellectual, expressionless idiot (Colliton) for THREE seasons. As mediocre as the Hawks may be, I guaranty you that a veteran re-tread old school coach would be at least 1-2 with this group. And it is stupid to angle for the Number 1 pick this year. It is a weak upcoming draft! The best player isn’t even going to be better than anyone in the top 10 of the past two drafts. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! H E L P !!!!!

  • January 17, 2021 at 10:05 pm

    Five points:

    – Kurashev got robbed on that cross-ice play but it showed his great release. Keeper.

    – 71 brings as little offence as Joakin Nordstrom but without the grit.

    – Boqvist is dreadful skating backwards. He is not ready.

    – Strome is a smurf in a big body.

    – Kubalik had great chemistry with 19. That’s what he’s missing.

  • January 17, 2021 at 10:55 pm

    Would like to see Lank, Hagel and Carlsson on Tuesday

    I’m someone who preaches patience with Boquist but he needs a game or two off

    Lank should have started tonight – I thought this was a goalie competition yet Delia after a mediocre performance gets the call again?

    Maybe Lankinen will do no better but Delia was again mediocre at best – Hawks haven’t had one game yet where the goalie has given them a chance

    Keith on two of those goals was so bad that if he’d been Boquist instead the internet would have crashed from all the venom

    Agree on Suter and Kurashev looking good

    As others have pointed out there are very few players on this team who can gain the puck -unbelievably even Nylander would help not to mention 19 and 77

    Looking forward to that high draft pick

  • January 17, 2021 at 11:03 pm

    Hawks29…. Funny shit…lol
    #2 is averaging -1 per game… are we gunna see -50 or more? side bets?
    Throws it in front as usual.. diff being no Crow this time out there… it goes IN !
    Time for more wine…
    Go Hawks!!!! lol
    Few more games needed to see if they gel on offense.
    Lotta new players… ——> Collitons fault…

  • January 17, 2021 at 11:34 pm

    A few months ago it was let the kids play, don’t care how many mistakes they make, just want to see them playing. How about we need to start developing our 1st round picks and give them time to see what they can do, not get rid them before they have a chance to develop, that’s what this organization needs to do lol. Oh well.

  • January 17, 2021 at 11:55 pm

    Think realisticly this goalie competition is likely more to find the backup for next few years rather than about finding the no.1. That likely gets done in off season. As mentioned finding a couple of potential top 9 keepers in Suter and Kurashev. Mitchell is handling himself pretty good out there. So for 3 games that’s something to look forward too. Now if only that damn Boqvist would state his case for the Norris trophy already. Patience, no Ahl to Feb. 5th, so not an option right yet, may sit him for a game but he likely plays more than not. Used Boqvist little differently in 3rd against 4th line and less pressure and seemed to handle it better and looked more comfortable on pp. So maybe that will help him over the hump too.

    No Toews to retrieve puck on pp certainly stands out with no battlers out there, except maybe Shaw but even he couldn’t get it from pkers on pp at times. Not going to be an easy year for sure.

  • January 18, 2021 at 12:33 am

    I’m trying to find something positive every game in this super-challenging season, even if it’s a little thing:
    Tonight I saw someone in a Hawks jersey finish a check that was there, but didn’t HAVE to be made, and who managed to not take himself out of play as a result … can’t remember how long that’s been … a little sandpaper hockey … didn’t even have to look . Knew it had to be 65

  • January 18, 2021 at 12:58 am

    A couple of quick notes regarding Boqvist: 1. He’s 10 months younger than Bouchard and 8 months younger than Dobson, so this current season for Boqvist is equivalent to last season for the two others mentioned..Bouchard had one point in seven games last year, Dobson had eight points in thirty six games. I’m going to guess that Boqvist’s offensive ability alone allows him to eclipse those point totals this year. Point being, for a 20 year old in his second season, he’s fine. He’s just playing tentatively because he doesn’t want to make any mental errors..when he’s in the offensive zone attacking, you see the potential he has. He should have had his third assist tonight except Kubalik couldn’t get his stick on a puck with a wide open cage waiting. But regardless of whether he gets some additional minutes in the AHL later this year, he’ll be fine. Keep in mind that he’s playing with an awful defensive team with zero nhl caliber goaltending, so there isn’t much help out there. You know who didn’t look too bad tonight? Forsling. You know who used to look similarly lost at times when he played for the Hawks? Forsling. Amazing what a 24 year old defenseman vs a 20 year old defenseman looks like. And he needed a full year in the AHL last year too. Defensemen take TIME. Give credit to Q. He always liked him and now he’s giving him another look.

    PS-Just thought I’d point out that although it’s a small sample size, Strome is top ten in faceoff percentage for 30+ draws taken at 57.6 percent. I’ll continue to die on the Strome hill alone but I’m happy to see him work to develop a part of his game that he knew was lacking. Strome-Kampf as your 3rd and 4th centers is solid. Even if Dach tops out as a number 2 at best, Dach-Strome-Kampf..I like a lot. Hopefully a healthy Toews is the number one, or maybe you find that in the draft too. Maybe Johnson as a consolation pick if the Hawks can’t land a top 3 draft pick. Johnson reminds me of Point..I’d take Johnson-Dach-Strome-Kampf down the middle all day.

  • January 18, 2021 at 1:12 am

    The problem with Boqvist is that there is no where to start with him.HE CAN”T SKATE.That is a major problem that you do not correct during NHL games.He is soft and there is no urgency in his game.Sorry guys and gals there in no clay to mold there.He is not the only young kid playing in the NHL.He loses every race to the puck and should be showing a hell of a lot more game by now.Each game he plays like it is his 1st NHL game.Beaudin looked miles better in just the 1 game he played in last spring.

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:27 am

    TimW, Boqvist is barely out of his teens, improved skating and defense are absolutely what is coached and worked on to improve over time with any young player. What sets him apart is game changing offensive upside that can’t be coached or taught, which is what they want him to get comfortable doing now. The rest of his game will follow, when he is engaging in the offense his skating is fine. Hopefully both him and Mitchell will be long term stars on this blueline. If he gets his comfortable engaging offensively and producing which improves his confidence, then his whole game improves. Over next 2 or 3 years as he matures, evolving as a player, growing his body as well, he becomes a more complete player. If it is in his best interests to go Rfd. for a bit, then fine but this is about where hopefully this team is in a couple of years, just to put in a player whose ceiling is likely 3rd pair because watching his development is frustrating, not a good idea to me. My concerns is what we see in year or 2, not next game or 2.

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:54 am

    We all agree, it’s going to be a long season. So, rather than waste time repeating the same things I thought perhaps we could just use an abbreviation system. For future posts, just insert the corresponding number.

    1 – Colliton; In over his head. He is Alpo Suhonen 2.0 trying to reinvent hockey. Gotta go.
    2. Boqvist: Can’t hack it in the NHL. Can’t skate. Soft. Bad decisions.
    3. Keith: Jesus Christ! Every time he is on the ice I say ‘Jesus Christ, what is he doing?’
    4. Bowman: Drove Daddy’s car off the cliff. Will trade for every washed up former 1st rounder. Won’t recognize mistakes or allow anyone to fix them, like Nylander.
    5. Rookies: Give them time to blossom. Of course Bowman will lose them somehow like Teravainen, Panarin, etc…. so why bother?
    6. Lines: Insert every possible permutation here. Change every other shift
    7. Goaltending: The next Corey Crawford is out there, he just needs to step up (LOL).
    8. Kane: As Denis Lemieux said in Slap Shot: “trade me right f*#king now!” (then hang up)
    9. Danny Boy Wirtz: Reimagining hockey. He sure is – this mess was unimaginable.
    10. Draft Pick(s): The only thing we have to look forward to.

    So, after watching last night’s game – insert 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9&10 here – I am still glad hockey is back on television, no matter how bad the Blackhawks are.

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:28 am

    Probably a good time to start a win pool for them. Which date will they win a game this year?? Could win one in January.

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:34 am

    The Hawks need more logos that’s it more logos, they’re jerseys will look like the Swiss league in two yrs. oh yea boqvist sucks not really his fault he was born a wuss and will always be a wuss. (Don’t draft wussy) And we all know who the stating goalie will be and we all know why. The hawks are now nothing more then a marketing machine at this point,McDonaugh would be proud

  • January 18, 2021 at 8:02 am

    Game 3 and what will go rock bottom first-the Hawks or the negative repetition of some?
    Defensemen mature, even in todays’ rushed NHL at about 24-25. But Boqvist is done at 20-off to the beer leagues! It’s amazing how every year since the Cup stretch one player bears the brunt of the cumulative frustration of the season (and life probably) Sorry Bo. lol

    On a side note my hope is that Shaw doesn’t do more damage to himself-he’s been a warrior with a huge heart in a smaller body. You have money, Cups–Be well for the last two-thirds of your life.

  • January 18, 2021 at 8:22 am

    You can’t coach wuss out of a player,the hawks are trying to be the model for the new NHL and getting pounded for it look at the teams that are winning they have players with grit hawks have none and don’t say Shaw he’s 5’8” nobody’s worries about Shaw.

  • January 18, 2021 at 8:37 am

    I’m optimistic about Boqvist. I see the miscues and the tentativeness. I’m aware of what I don’t see – the offensive game I expected to see. But, I’m still optimistic – mainly for two reasons. First, we have seen glimpses of his offense game, yes they have been few and far between, but they show he has it in him.

    Second, the tentativeness he plays with is something that can be coached out of him and very likely is more a matter of having some success and gaining confidence. Use of carrot and stick may be what is required to nudge him along until he organically gains confidence. A case in point is the 3rd period last night. He was playing poorly through the first half of the game so JC benched him for the latter part of the 2nd period. One of the assistant coaches had a heart to heart with him between periods and Boqvist responded with that nice assertive play to set up Kubalik who should have scored.

    Baby steps. We’re looking for baby steps. I saw one last night. I expect to see more as the season goes along. I’m not against sitting him for a game or two here and there because he seems to be the type of person who will respond and grow from it. That’s what this season is about. That drive up the middle with the pass to Kubalik is a confidence booster. For him and for me.

  • January 18, 2021 at 8:53 am

    Strange time for rebuilding….but it is what it is. The absence of AHL hockey really hurts the young guys.
    For example and to correct a post, Kieth was NOT a Norris candidate when he was 20. He was in Norfolk, where I’m from, for the better part of 3 years.
    Development of players is a process. Sometimes short, sometimes long….ala Kieth. Over 160 AHL games before his NHL debut. That seems to be gone today.
    Boquest will be fine but needs a lot more development.

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:09 am

    Mike R I agree with most of what you say except there’s a difference between players that just are’t physical or hard to play against and players that are afraid Boqvist is afraid

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:34 am

    Hawks are playing the kids as you all suggested they do at the end of last year…
    They got rid of Crow , what some of you suggested too.
    Relax, and enjoy Hockey.
    Goooooo Hawks !

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:45 am

    I have changed my opinion, I am now glad that Collition and Bowman got 2 year extensions.

    Now, they have to eat the dog’s breakfast they cooked up.

    Otherwise, a new Coach and GM would be hamstrung for at least 2 years and would be at an unfair disadvantage.

    Let’s bottom out, let this COVID thing run its course and hopefully get a Coach and GM that know how to build a Stanley Cup winning team (if Danny Boy Wirtz will them).

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:58 am

    Was 27 in the system when Captain Bozo traded Jokiharu for 92?

    I remember he was touted highly when he came up last year.

  • January 18, 2021 at 10:12 am

    Boqvist was drafted in 2018. Jokiharju’s first season with the Blackhawks was 2018/19.

  • January 18, 2021 at 10:16 am

    I am not sure if Boquist will ever be a good defender, but I do know a lot of the voices complaining about him at 20 yrs old are very reminiscent of the complaints sounded about Teuvo when he was in Chicago. Particularly when he turtled a few time when we lost to St Louis in 7 games in the first round. There was a chorus of ‘get rid of him too soft’.

    Well, now that he has grown into a man’s body from a teen, in his mid 20’s, we rightly so regularly bemoan how good he would look on a line with Kane, if only we used some other sweetener to get rid of Bickel’s contract. At basically a point a game, he knocks on the door of the top 10 scorers annually. We have no one outside of Kane remotely that productive.

    So we can’t judge Boquist for at least 3-4 years. Let him get enough strength that he isn’t afraid of getting killed out there and then we will see what he can do. What happens between now and then isn’t that significant. And yes he looks overmatched, and would not be with us if they had not rushed him. But can’t change that now.

  • January 18, 2021 at 10:28 am

    Nothing wrong with sitting Boq for a game or two – in fact it might be time to do just that but I also believe he will develop into a good player for the Hawks – a piece of the future – so keep playing him most games and by year’s end I think we’ll like how he’s developed

    The point about TT is a good one – Boq also has to grow into a man’s body and strength – that’ll happen so be patient – as a point of comparison Torey Krug who plays a game similar to what Boquist will bring was 22 before he became an NHL regular

    That rush up the middle in the third and the pass to Kubalik was an indication of the talent Boquist has waiting to be developed

  • January 18, 2021 at 11:14 am

    Lets hope Lankinen gets a start soon. Maybe Boquvist could play wing because he hasn’t been playing defense!

  • January 18, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    Along with a lot of guys, I didn’t like the Boqvist pick but whatever, it’s done. He isn’t a bust (yet) but I really question how he has been handled. He did not warrant being called up last year and I think it would have been better to leave him in Rockford. His defense his poor, his offense has not come through, and he isn’t a very good skater.

    I’d like to see him succeed and I think the best way for him to do that is to learn in the minors where he can play all situations and skate big minutes. Look how well DK and Hammer turned out after developing in the minors (and both were further along physically than Boqvist is now). JMHO.

  • January 18, 2021 at 1:03 pm

    We live in a culture of instant gratification. That’s not meant to be a criticism of any particular ideological viewpoint because how we, as a culture, came to be this way is not germane to this discussion – it’s just the way it is. Where patience used to be considered a virtue, it is now considered vestigial if it’s even considered at all. We’re all influenced by the culture we live in whether we’re aware of it or not. I’m as impatient as most everyone else. It’s not something that can be changed on the whole, but as individuals we can manage our own impatience if we’re aware of it and have the will and discipline to do so.

    I want Boqvist to be the second coming of Erik Karlsson yesterday. And if not yesterday, then today. And if not today, then tomorrow. I don’t want to wait weeks and months and maybe even years for it to happen. I’m fully onboard with the cultural credo that I want what I want and I want it now. The key for fighting against unreasonable impatience, at least for me, is to recognize it when I’m being unreasonably impatient by asking if my expectation is realistic or unrealistic. Sometimes that helps. It doesn’t necessarily stop me from wanting what I want and wanting it now – but it helps me manage it a bit better.

  • January 18, 2021 at 1:33 pm

    ER – your latest post I think qualifies you for a PhD in Hockey Blog Posting – well done!

  • January 18, 2021 at 3:17 pm

    ER. My issue with the hawks is not wanting instant gratification but who is directing the rebuild. IMO Bowman is not the one for the job , and since he is the decision maker I do not believe this team will be a contender in 3 to 5 yrs. You can’t blame the last 3 yrs on McD alone. He has to take responsibility for it as well ( which is not doing) . For example , if I were a Senators fan , I would be very happy with the team and their growing pains. You can see progression each yr and a plan. If you are going to be patient , you must believe the organization has the staff and plan to get to the promise land. I hope I am wrong , but Bowman is not that person.

  • January 18, 2021 at 3:36 pm

    Speaking of ‘gratification’. Are we being denied the gratification of Kubalik scoring goals? According to an article in Second City Hockey, “Kubalik is playing less time at 5-on-5 this season than both Lucas Wallmark and Mattias Janmark”. And, as we know, Kuablik is not on the power units.

    The article (link below) points out that this is not new.


    Is this another Collition / Jokihaju situation?

  • January 18, 2021 at 3:45 pm

    And we gave up Coach Q for Collition? Look at the results folks. This whole rebuilding thing is just another excuse since bowman cannot put together a winning franchise as of late! We’ve got a bunch of kids and not enough veterans running around not knowing their positions or what to do! If you can’t play 60 minutes of hockey, forget about it! And the goaltending position is ridiculous! These two are backups at best! No playoffs at least for the next two to three years if bowman continues to be in charge!

  • January 18, 2021 at 3:51 pm

    Wrap, Ha – hardly. I barely have enough self discipline to keep my impatience in check – no way I would make through a doctoral program. :=)

  • January 18, 2021 at 4:00 pm

    Very well put Bobby and I think a lot of us agree with your sentiments.

    The course Bowman and Colliton have the Hawks on seems like we will be incrementally better in 3 yrs or so, but not very. On the other hand, Ottawa, Montreal, NYR, heck even Detroit, sure seem like they are executing a plan that has them on an upward trajectory. Even Florida seems deeper on their top two lines now. They used to be Barkov-Huberdeau and not much.

    Similar to the Bears, the Hawks have been good at acquiring mid range talent. 3rd pair dmen, 3rd or 4th line role players. Not much that seems to rise above that. Not enough to keep pace with the other teams in the league for certain.

    And why didn’t they start to do this three years ago? Imagine how far ahead of the curve they would be now. And why were they negotiating with Matt Murray to try to trade for and sign him, as Ottawa wound up doing? It seems like this new ‘direction’ was not so much planned for as they fell into a pile of goo, and called it a rebuild.

    They actually got lucky Toews is out and Dach got hurt, or they would be winning more and screwing up their draft pick.

  • January 18, 2021 at 4:14 pm

    Bobby9, I agree with you that it’s easier to be patient when there is some indication that progress toward achieving the objective is being made. We can debate when the rebuild was started and how progress is measured or whether or not we’re even on the right path based on who is steering the ship. But those things are relatively moot because the Good Ship Blackhawk has left port whether we agree with the direction or not. Our role on this voyage it to either jump ship or try to enjoy the journey as much as possible. Incessant “are we there yet” doesn’t get us there any sooner and is annoying for the rest of us.

    I’d never jump ship so I’m going to try to enjoy the journey as best I can. It will be different than what we’ve been used to but it doesn’t have to be awful. Find the little things that indicate we’re making progress. They will be there to see if you’re looking for them.

  • January 18, 2021 at 4:29 pm

    This, We know what we need the most. A top pair Defensemen. With a top 3/5 draft pick in this draft is those kind of Defensemen.

    And I am big on Mitch Kurachev Barratt so when Suter is good to thats bonus/or makes up for 92.

    Dach Power cant do a better start then that.
    January 17, 2021 at 9:54 pm
    Game 3 in a year management declared a rebuilding /development year and….Boqvist is declared a bust by some. Scratching my head.

    “Thanks very much, your 3 games have shown us___X____, too little.” Duncan Keith at age 20 was naturally a Norris or Selke candidate already.

    Everyone…take some deep breaths. It’s going to be bumpy. If you aren’t ready for the ride, come back in July.

    Personally, it’s going to be fun seeing what we have. And, yes, Boqvist is going to be fine.

  • January 18, 2021 at 4:37 pm

    ER . Who made the rule that it is either jump ship or enjoy the little progressions? As a fan , I have the right to my opinion and choose to watch the game and bitch and complain if I choose to do so. My hypothetical question to you is , if fans were allowed , would you be happy to pay $300 for tickets to watch little progressions? Would you expect ticket prices to drop because of the inferior product.? My answer is no and yes.

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:02 pm

    Is it possible the hawks won’t win a game this year? Would Stan and JC be gone then?

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    Lady year, I was high on Boqvist. Right now, not so much. He’s regressing. Not good. You guys are right. I too think he needs some time in the AHL. Time to give Kalynuk and/or Beaudin a real chance. Not just 1 or 2 games. Our defense and goalies stink right now. And what’s with genius Jeremy and his penchant to play the 4th line so much? The checking line…big frigging deal. The three of them won’t score ten goals all year. My greatest fear now is how long before the boy coach screws up Suter and Kurashev. Let’s pray he doesn’t find something he doesn’t like about them, as he did Henri. I can’t believe this is our coach. He and Bowman are both lousy at their jobs, to state it mildly. How the hell do we ever get out of this???

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    Hello fellow dissidents.

    Who remembers watching a young Keith and Seabrook in 2006-07, and while realizing they were kids, we could feel there was lots of skill and potential for both to be excellent pkayers?

    Ditto with Toews and Kane in 2007-08, and a young Nik Hjarms in 2098-09?

    Does any member of this current squad give you that feeling?

    Yeah, me neither.

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    Perimeter – you had me until “me neither.”

    The collective expectations of fans have skyrocketed in the last 15-16 years. Those were some UGLY days back then… Keith had 21 points, 79 PIM and was -11 in 81 games as a rookie. And the 32-year-old veteran on that team was Matthew Barnaby

    Now we expect guys like Keith and Kane to drag guys to another level. We’ve been blessed by a decade of excellence… and now we’re seeing mediocrity and cannot see the forest for the sake of the trees.

    There’s plenty to be excited about with Mitchell and Kurashev and even Boqvist. Is Boqvist the Erik Karlsson we were told he would be? No (at least not yet). But we have to be patient. Lots of people on here wanted Hjalmarsson run out of town when he signed the offer sheet w/ San Jose. Lots of people wanted to run Leddy out of here the second he replaced Brian Campbell (as a teenager). The irony is that the only part of Chicago that tolerates rookies/prospects less than the coaches is the fans.

  • January 18, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    Still liking the aggressive play with the puck by Kurashev and Suter. Not timid and not waiting. Making quick shots or quick passes to guys who are in position to do good things.

    I did actually think Strome moved pretty well this game. Keep proving me wrong, Strome. When you skate and get yourself involved you can be productive.

    Colliton seemed to dodge ice time questions in the post-game by opening his statements by saying that the ice time stats were all messed up and didn’t match what the team had. All the same, there did appear to be some placing accountability on people and sitting them (right or wrong, depending on your opinion of how the player was playing). At least there is some sense of accountability. I’m hoping he’s laying it in the right place.

    Colliton also appeared to not be mounted to a vertical floor rod this game, and actually did something besides stand like a statue looking perplexed.

    Here’s hoping the youngsters keep improving. A top pick may not help them get out of the basement next season, or the year after that, but there are some players to work with.

    Prior to Keith’s miscues that led to bad things, I thought to myself that he looked disinterested out there, at best.

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    Bobby9, it’s not so much an imposed rule as it is a circumstantial reality. Here is the reality – Stan is in charge of hockey operations and he has launched the team on a youth movement rebuild which promises to be a bumpy ride. You can climb onboard and try to make the best of it or bitch and complain which is essentially jumping ship.

    The metaphor of jumping ship can be interpreted more than one way. You have the right to bitch and complain but by doing that are you really onboard or have you jumped ship because you don’t want to go on this journey?

    As to paying for a subpar product or choosing not to – aren’t the choices the same? You can either continue to pay to support the team or you can stop supporting the team by removing your financial support. The difference between paying with your attention and paying with your money is the former doesn’t cost you anything whereas the latter does – but they are still the same matter of the heart – the money just forces you to get to the same spot quicker with more finality.

    To my way of thinking, constantly bitching and complaining about something that is inevitable and you have no control over is pointless – either get onboard or jump ship. Either try to make the best of it or stop paying with your attention and your money. If I knew the team was defined by Stan and I considered Stan the devil’s spawn – what would it say about me if I didn’t jump ship!?

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    While I am in this mode, who remembers groaning as Marty Turco spent many periods swimming all over the crease in 2011 as the Cup champs looked like anything but?

    Who remembers the feeling of relief as a young Corey Crawford grabbed the net and never let it go that year?

    Amy goalies on the roster or in the system give you that feeling?

    Yeah me neither.

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    Good points Tab.

    I am an old fart who lived with Chicago Blackhawks mediocrity, off and on, since 1967.

    This current squad has me sadly remembering the half empty Chicago Stadium during Hawks games of the late 1970s.

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:43 pm

    ER All I can say is respectively we agree to disagree

  • January 18, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    Bobby9 correct. John Galt correct. Perimeter correct. Tab, “mediocre” that was last year w two good goalies and three top six forwards who are gone/injured (same thing). This year’s Hawks wish they ever get to mediocre.

    Bowman hired the coach, re-hired him, and got rid of McDonough during the virus. So far, he is doing a tremendously horrendous job. It will continue to digress.

    The teams of the late 70’s were better, they made the playoffs and had a Hall of Fame goalie. Whoever said what if they lose every game, not a bad idea. Maybe the coach would be discharged then. No reason Crawford can’t come back after a year off. Anyone (essentially Bowman and a handful of his minions) who thinks the goalie doesn’t make a difference w a great/good/average/bad/terrible team is living in an alternate reality.

    The team sucks and will continue to do so bc of Bowman. Case closed.

  • January 18, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    No bashing here…….My only issue with Boqvist is his skating is holding him back. Yes, he has a lot of potential and high end skill and vision. He will get heavier and stronger with age and become more effective battling for position and the puck. Some of his mistakes can be coached and they will correct themselves, Those things can be taught. However, without any doubt whatsoever……..his skating is currently below average and flawed and unless it`s corrected it will hold his progression back. We`re seeing the same issue with Strome`s skating as well, yet he`s older and his hasn `t corrected itself yet either. You can see the flaw in Boqvist`s skating in particular when he`s racing back for the puck. It`s like he`s kicking his way back there. He`s not digging in, the stride is too short, and it`s not a smooth powerful stride. He needs help correcting this right away while he`s still young enough to adjust. TAB , or others, is this not being recognized and if so, is there anything that is being done about it. He needs some serious Power Skating work which I what I thought they would have worked on all summer. I see no signs of growth in this area for Boqvist this season. Bowman better get him some immediate help if he hopes to have Boqvist realize his potential.

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    Hereismike, they wanted to draft Askarov and bring Crawford back, likely coulda been 2 years in that case. Then they talked to Murray, says to me they aren’t banking on any of these guys to be no. 1, that move likely happens in off season. One or 2 of these guys stay around as backup depth.

    If Strome can work with Kurashev, Suter and give a 3rd line next year, that’s a big plus out of this season. Guys like Wallmark and Hagel, maybe a few other Rfders at some point likely are auditioning for their roles next year. Obviously figuring out Collitons system and being alot better overall defensively would be gravy, but so far that’s not happening. Just hope the young talent thrives and off ice stuff works out i guess.

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    Shh. Anybody says things like were going to go 0-10-2 like we went 10-0-2 that yr then well win the next game.

    We want that top 3 elite player/gem.

    January 18, 2021 at 7:28 am
    Probably a good time to start a win pool for them. Which date will they win a game this year?? Could win one in January.

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:15 pm

    Where is this poor skating coming from? He has average NHL skating ability that will probably get better as he gets out of his teens, he’s 20! Does he move with confidence-not yet.

    He was an above average skater in junior. (yes against other juniors) Saw that in person.

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    Toews paid $11m, & Seabrook paid $7.4m,BOTH NOT PLAYING…Keith too old,always passing the puck so as not to get hit & always outta position. Kane, Only one worth his pay (except for his defense,lol) & No NHL Goalie on the team…
    What do you expect?
    Forget getting a good defenseman right now, SCORE SOME GOALS!
    Hawks need to score 5 goals/game to have good chance to win.

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    As I a reading thourgh the 650? million posts I was ready to post about Teravainen with people so into BoQ. Funny. You though same thing.

    January 18, 2021 at 10:16 am
    I am not sure if Boquist will ever be a good defender, but I do know a lot of the voices complaining about him at 20 yrs old are very reminiscent of the complaints sounded about Teuvo when he was in Chicago. Particularly when he turtled a few time when we lost to St Louis in 7 games in the first round. There was a chorus of ‘get rid of him too soft’

  • January 18, 2021 at 9:41 pm

    I cant read anymore I have to continue tomorrow.

    Same for Shaw on not getting hurt I was happy to get him back/not at two 2nds but happy. Now that were reloading with 20 19 77 50 sitting out Shawzer can play just take her easy.

  • January 18, 2021 at 10:35 pm

    It’s like the movie Groundhog Day on Hawks blog comment sections everywhere. You can point out the obvious – the primary objective of this season is to play the young players to (1) figure out which ones are keepers and (2) get experience for the ones that are keepers. Wins are good experience for the young players but not the objective for the team. That’s the new paradigm we are operating in. Period.

    And yet, every day we wake up to the same thing – comment sections chock full of passionate irrelevant comments – comments that are not relevant because they come from a perspective that is not relevant to the objective of this youth movement. It doesn’t matter if the team goes 0-56 as long as the primary objective is achieved to find which young players can be part of the future and getting them as many games as possible.

    I don’t know if some of my fellow Hawks fans are not able to understand that or if they are just unwilling to accept it. Either way, that’s the reality of it whether you understand it or accept it or not.

  • January 18, 2021 at 10:46 pm

    Steller performance in net by Hawks prospect Drew Commesso for Boston University today. 44 saves as BU defeated (and swept) UMass. Commesso got both wins.

    Josiah Slavin scored again for Colorado College in their loss against Omaha. He’s having a solid season.

    Dominic Basse is now CC”s number 1 goalie.

  • January 19, 2021 at 12:01 am


  • January 19, 2021 at 12:06 am

    Good new re: Commesso. Drafting goalies is such a crap shoot. Hopefully he keeps it going.

  • January 19, 2021 at 7:13 am

    You should go into business for yourself, if you have not already.

    Hang out the ole shingle that says,
    ‘Devil’s Advocate For Hire’.

    You would do very well….if you are not doing so already.

  • January 19, 2021 at 8:41 am

    I don’t know about Devil’s Advocate – maybe more like Annoying Dead Horse Beater. :=)

  • January 19, 2021 at 8:43 am

    While it appears we are playing for a top draft choice this year, I have no confidence in the guy that’s selecting the pick nor do I have any confidence in the guy that’s coaching this team. The question is apparently should you jump ship or get on board. Fortunately there are choices in life and if I thought there was a light on at the end of the tunnel, I would want to see this through and watch this team pull out of this and see the youngsters grow and work thru the growing pains. But I don’t see this regime as the answer for pulling off this rebuild. I don’t believe this style of hockey is conductive to winning in this league because this team will have trouble not only beating an average team but any team that plays with a physical presence to their game. So my choices remain the same, I will never rip on an individual player here and I certainly will watch to possibly see some progress, but I will continue to voice my opinion regarding to the “management” style of hockey that’s being played and coached here or I’m proved wrong by the management here for which I certainly would be the first person here to say I was wrong. But I’ve been watching this team for close to 60 years now and I’ve never seen a team so devoid of heart and talent and I see no way that this team rights itself until years down the road when eventually someone decides “You know this just isn’t working here” and we get a hockey guy in here. If I want to watch good hockey for now, I’ll either have to watch the other team playing or turn to another game.

  • January 19, 2021 at 8:44 am

    … or some might prefer Argumentative A$$hole :=)

  • January 19, 2021 at 8:53 am

    Oh the irony of this PP-perfectly set up by you:
    Hang out the ole shingle that says,

    ‘Cynic, Killjoy, Gloomy Gus, For Hire’

  • January 19, 2021 at 9:06 am

    Hammer Time, I stated my case for “onboard or jump ship” based on the way I see things and think about things – upon reflection I can see where it was overstated and taken in a more black/white way than many people are comfortable with. I’m a black/white person – not much grey or nuance in what I think and believe – but I acknowledge I’m the out-of-step-Charlie in that regard, most people don’t think that way.

    I’ll add that I’ve jumped off the Hawks ship a few times in my life. Trading Bobby and the Dollar Bill and Mumbles Pulford sh!t show years to name a couple. I stopped paying attention for several years – so I get the “bitch and complain” sentiment – I do. What I don’t get is why stick around to do that? If you have for all intents and purposes jumped ship because you see no way the captain steering the ship can possibly do anything but crash – then why hang around to bitch and complain about it? If you’re not onboard with the hope for a better future – aren’t you just wasting your time? You can leave and come back – it doesn’t have to be permanent.

    Now having said that – there are personality types that thrive on bitching and complaining. If they have nothing to bitch about – they’ll find something. For them, the Hawks current situation serves that purpose so why would they leave only to have to find something else to complain about when the Hawks situation is sitting there like a big fat mozza ball right in their face?

    And the world goes around.

  • January 19, 2021 at 9:10 am

    Noonan, that’s a good one – but I’m not clever enough to be a trap setter. I do stumble around a lot though. :=)

  • January 19, 2021 at 9:39 am

    Spot on EB
    From the darkest tunnel the brightest light shines. The Cubs scraped the bottom and reached the top. Renteria was the manager that started but didn’t finish. Sox look like they are doing the same. Tough being Renteria. He started it but doesn’t look like he’ll finish it if they make it.

    Didn’t Savard start out with Toews and Kane. It took Q to make it to the top. Is it possible JC starts the journey and someone else finishes with the Cup again. I did mention way back that you don’t want to be the coach that replaces the Hall of Famer but the coach that replaces the coach that replaced the Hall of Famer.

    How people forget that it was Stan that picked Dach. Dach was the best player out of the draft to the moment. H65 and myself agreed. Makes me chuckle when people say they don’t trust him picking. Can’t wait to hear people say that’s 1 out of 10. There are teams that have 0 out of 15. Also once the team is set as top team I believe a few said Stan was a good maintainer of the team.

    The plan is going as anticipated. Wr are the only team without a point that has played some games. Get ready 3-3 tie tonight!

    Go Hawks!

  • January 19, 2021 at 10:11 am

    To ER: While I certainly understand your sentiment you wonder why I “stick around” and “waste my time”. I “stick around” because I love the game of Hockey and I love my “team” but I only have a couple of years(hopefully) left in my lifetime to be able to see hockey or my team. Back in the day there were no ways to communicate with fans(unless you were at the Stadium or your buddies watched then) like there is now with these forums to either cheer or boo with other people about how the team is doing. When you say that you at times have jumped off the Hawks ship, I’m betting that while you have “jumped ship” at times I’m betting that you didn’t entirely jump off that ship, I bet there were times where you checked them out to see how they’ve changed or if they have progressed. I have not turned the set off yet this year(did last year) because I’m curious about how this plays out. I want this team to turn this around, I really do but I have no confidence in this regime to do it. Yes StanBo has gotten some players and I’ve given credit to him when he actually does something right but for me its few and far between the “hits” and the “misses”. I’m pretty sure as this season continues there will be times this year where I’ll say “I can’t stand watching this crap anymore” and turn off the set in disgust. I’ll admit the older I get, the more cynical I’ve become in regarding things I’ve seen in my life but I think I’m allowed that now and I’m tired of just “sitting pat” and just hope things will work out eventually and time will tell if I’m right or if I’m wrong but as for right now: this isn’t working, I don’t see it working and the faster we see somebody here that actually knows about playing hockey(looking right at StanBo here) and what it takes to assemble a team that can compete here, the faster I’ll like it. In the meantime this forum presents me the opportunity to present my frustration with this team and allows to discuss things with other fans such as yourself as to the state of this franchise and hockey in general because the more comments I see from people allows me to see different perspectives from different people which always is a good thing.

  • January 19, 2021 at 10:15 am

    Everyone gas a right to voice their OPINION here… If you dont like it, Call in the National Guard…..

  • January 19, 2021 at 10:16 am

    Putin is behind the Hawks demise…

  • January 19, 2021 at 10:19 am

    Good post Hammer. Spot on.

  • January 19, 2021 at 10:52 am

    It seems people think Stan chose Kirby Dach. Stan employs Mark Kelley, VP amateur scouting, now in his 14th season with the Blackhawks. He interviewed all the top players in that draft and made the call more than anyone that Dach was the guy. There is an interview with him online where he says about as much, after talking with Byram, Turcotte, etc. he said that people think this is a hard pick but it is easy. We know our guy. And I think they got it absolutely right.

    So Stan gets credit for employing the guy that made the call on Dach. You could theoretically replace Stan and keep Kelley and not lose anything, if you like how they make their top picks. For sure Stan has an influence, but at the end of the day he will trust his scouting staff whom he employs.

  • January 19, 2021 at 11:11 am

    Hammer – good post and well received. I too am a geezer and not exactly the picture of health so my years left on this Earth are probably in the single digits – so I can appreciate the sentiment that wasting time with the current management team with scant hope of seeing the fruits of their labor because if it does turn out it will probably take more years than I’ve got left.

    And you’re correct – I never really completely divorced myself from the Hawks, even through the periods when I forced myself to stop paying attention. Course, back in those days drinking Hawks info from a firehose like it is today wasn’t an option because internet blogs didn’t exist, so it was picking up a copy of the SunTimes and/or Daily News to check box scores and read the little column from a Hawks beat writer if there happened to be one that day. I still loved my Hawks but just couldn’t bring myself to care enough to pay attention other than an occasional look to check in on them.

    To me (and most likely not to many other of my fellow Hawks fans), I look at it like this is the way it is – Stan is in charge and Colliton is coach and there’s not a damn thing I can do about it so the best option I have is to try to find positives and hopeful signs. Am I trying to peddle “hopium”? I suppose I am but my life is better on hopium that downer pessimism. But again, that’s just me.

  • January 19, 2021 at 11:29 am

    Hi Noonan,
    I can live with your post.

    There are men wiser than me who equate cynicism to pragmatism.

  • January 19, 2021 at 1:43 pm

    To ER: Good post, I hear you. I know its StanBo’s playpen and Kid Coach’s team right now but I can do something about it right now. I used to be a 5 game a year Hawks guy (its all I can afford) and yeah I’d buy an occasional jersey or two, drink the occasional overpriced beer and pay for a great parking spot so I don’t have to walk a mile to the building but if ownership doesn’t have a clue about what’s going on or buries its head in the sand by not listening to its fan base then all I can do is not spend my hard earned retirement dollars to watch this. I can always go out to Rockford on the cheap(when it starts up again. Its not a bad place to check out a game, just like Milwaukee or Rosemont) and get my hockey fix or just watch other good teams. And voice my frustration here. I ain’t paying to watch this mess. I’ll continue to watch our “core” players of our glory years, watch to see if any kids here progress before they get jettisoned out of here and just wish for the day when Scam-Artist Stan is finally exposed here and gets his just due. Its all I can do.

  • January 19, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    Thats why every tv has an on/off button.
    OVER PAY players for what they did yesterday… well, NOW you pay the Piper.
    Need to find out on Seabrooks contract, was it all bowmns doing or WAS IT THE Q,
    “We need him,sign him for whatever it takes”, or was it Mcdonuts telling bowman to sign him as a fan favorite core player.
    Easy to bash Bowman Without knowing the Facts…
    Leaning here towards Q.

  • January 19, 2021 at 5:10 pm

    We need …..A gm, A coach, 4 centers, 4 dmen, 2 goalies, And 2 wingers like Hossa…..I think thats about it.

  • January 19, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    YEs we need a 1/2 a roster. Half of the roster we need. Same thing in 2008 we only had half then in 2009 the other half was ready. Were about 2/3 yrs before other half is ready/horizon. But then were ready. Got to tank now its top 5 draft players or bust.

  • January 19, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    We did add 51 11 82 81 67 27 26 80 other after getting the bulk from draft. Thats what we ll need to do and well have the capsapce to do it when were at that point.

  • January 19, 2021 at 8:21 pm

    See thats what happens when people say how many games we lose in a row.

    Lankinen goes 15-15 and other goalies go 5-15 tahts 20-30 and ties. Prob good enough for 2nd before ping pong balls.

    Want him to do good but not better then 15-15.

  • January 19, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    I can be patient with the kids. I’ve lost patience with Stan.

  • January 19, 2021 at 11:34 pm

    Does nobody else see the irony in the statement “I can be patient with the kids. I’ve lost patience with Stan.” when STAN drafted/signed the kids you’re being patient with?

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