Flat Blackhawks Blasted In Pittsburgh, Remain Winless

Game One: in Denver, the Blackhawks get out-scored 3-1 in the first period. After the game, head coach Jeremy Colliton emphatically tells the media the Blackhawks are going to start better/faster.

Game Two: in New Jersey, the Blackhawks give up the first goal of the game 17 seconds into the first period.

So how did the Hawks respond in their third game of the season?

Game Three: in Pittsburgh, the Penguins beat the Devils’ mark by two seconds, taking a 1-0 lead in 15 seconds. The Pens then add a second goal at 5:33, a third at 10:59 and a fourth at 11:25.

That that point, rather than burning his timeout as he did after the Avs took a 3-0 lead on Wednesday night, Colliton pulled Marc-André Fleury in Pittsburgh, replacing him with Kevin Lankinen. Fleury allowed four of ten shots he faced in the net and will likely need a new stick after destroying his in the tunnel after getting the hook.

When the final horn of the first period sounded (40 seconds prematurely because of a glass issue), the Blackhawks were out-shot 13-3.

The Blackhawks were credited with three shots on net and allowed four goals.

If the Hawks’ front office is looking for their “great communicator” to motivate the troops, it’s getting worse. Through three first periods to start the season, the Blackhawks have been out-scored 8-1.

One adjustment Colliton did make in the first period was rolling with lines that someone tweeted more than two weeks ago. To start the game, the Blackhawks lined up with the following:


Those lines lasted one period and then Colliton put them back in the blender. Because we’re trying to find chemistry on the ice early in the season. The players are still learning each others’ tendencies… so why spend more than one period with a line intact?

At 4:51 into the second, Zach Aston-Reese went to the box and the Blackhawks immediately took advantage. Patrick Kane sniped home his first of the season nine seconds into the advantage to cut Pittsburgh’s lead to three.

Alex DeBrincat and Seth Jones picked up the helpers on Kane’s goal.

Dach went to the box at 10:19 but Jeff Carter did the Hawks a solid by ending his team’s powerplay prematurely; he went to the box 69 seconds into the Pens’ advantage.

At 15:18, Brian Boyle went off for a double-minor when a high stick caught Riley Stillman. However, Juhjar Khaira went to the box as well so the Blackhawks ended up with a two-minute power play as Dominik Simon served one of the two Boyle penalties.

Jason Zucker deposited a short-handed rebound at 17:55 into the second to give Pittsburgh a 5-1 lead.

The second period expired with the Penguins holding the same four-goal margin they had after the first, which was unfortunate because the Blackhawks carried a lot more of the action in the middle stanza than they had in the first. Chicago out-shot Pittsburgh 15-8 in the second but only got one through Tristan Jarry.

Looking for a spark, Colliton’s three forwards on the ice to start the third period were Kubalik, Toews and Khaira.

While slotting a fourth-ling grinder with Toews and Kubalik isn’t ideal to improve the scoring chances, neither team wanted this game to go much longer than it needed to based on their play in the first half of the third period. The fourth shot of the period came with 7:32 left in the third, which led to only the third faceoffs of the period. The two teams skated up and down the ice for around 12 minutes without a whistle.

Like those watching at home, the players couldn’t wait for the game to end.

With four minutes left in regulation, Kane, Brandon Hagel and Dach executed a pretty passing sequence that concluded with Dach scoring his second goal in as many nights. Kane picked up his second point of the night, and the Blackhawks were within three.

Dach’s goal would be the final marker of the evening and the Blackhawks head home to face an Eastern Conference favorite, the New York Islanders, in their home opener on Tuesday night with an 0-2-1 record.

To say the first three games were a disappointment would be a massive understatement. And Colliton’s job security should be in question as the team heads home.

Toews won eight of 13 faceoffs. Dach won five of nine. Johnson won all three of his draws in the game.

Jones blocked three shots and was credited with one assist in 22:50. Jones and Kane (20:02) were the only skaters to be on the ice for more than 20 minutes in the game.

Khaira led the Hawks with six hits. Kubalik, Riley Stillman and MacKenzie Entwistle were credited with five hits each.

As an aside, Brian Campbell was behind the bench for the IceHogs against the Wolves on Saturday night. He would be a massive upgrade in Chicago, coaching the Blackhawks’ defensemen. But there are bigger issues (read: Colliton) that need to be dealt with; firing Sheldon Brookbank as a scapegoat for the early play would be weak.

77 thoughts on “Flat Blackhawks Blasted In Pittsburgh, Remain Winless

  • October 16, 2021 at 8:40 pm

    Only 3 games into the season, see how the next couple games go and then we’ll see. Still go Hawks.

  • October 16, 2021 at 8:44 pm

    Is anyone surprised? Fleury is a bust with the worst goaltending I’ve seen in years. Where was Seth Jones and was he worth a max contract and draft choices given to get him? I could continue but I’m not wasting my time nor buying expensive tickets to watch Blackhawks lose. Thank you Bowman and Danny.

  • October 16, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    Painful! Painful! Painful!
    This is on the COACH, Bowman and ownership! Since 2015, most of us realized there’s not going to be a lot more cups- but we expected a super competitive team. Not so- and it’s getting worse! Is it talent? Then get better players. If it’s performance, look at the coach. Seriously, do we really think there’s a future with Bowman and Colliton? Let’s “cut bait” right now and move on.

  • October 16, 2021 at 8:58 pm

    Players play but when they consistently underperform, it’s on the Coach. Time to go coach goober.

  • October 16, 2021 at 9:16 pm

    This team is in a world of hurt.Management changes need to be made from the top to the bottom!

  • October 16, 2021 at 9:33 pm

    I am going to stick to exactly what I said at the end of last season. This organization needs a culture change from the very top and down through the coaching staff. Instead several WOKE hires were made at the administrative and very top where Danny Wirtz now resides. Bring in the Hunter Brothers at the Management level and a Torts type of Head Coach with his appropriate staff. Then the very hard decisions will be made without worrying about whose feelings are hurt or which Bowman project that is being protected. There has to be immediate repricussions for poor play. That is the only way that it becomes not accepted. Let’s get moving in the proper direction.

  • October 16, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    Hard watching these starts, this team can be alot better. Totally flat the entite 1st with no push back was really hard to see. A pulse on the 2nd but the goal on Gaudettes delayed penalty ended that. Agree Brian Campbell would likely be an upgrade coaching the defense, something definitely amiss there.

    Colliton brought in his own coaches, basically turned the roster over for him in last 3 years, but this team is not getting it done and should be, clock has to be ticking on him. Kane still a staunch defender of him but gotta wonder what he really thinks. Special teams doing their jobs, 5 on 5 isn’t, skill players need to step up there, goaltending can be a strength if given proper chance. Bottom 6 will be fine when top 6 find their stride. Has to be a better homestand.

  • October 16, 2021 at 9:38 pm

    I implore all Hawk fans to watch other NHL games . Just a period or so and you will immediately see what the differences are. This is the softest organization in the league by far.

  • October 16, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    Fire Colliton
    Fire Colliton
    Fire Colliton
    I feel much better

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    I took up Miroslav’s advice and had some vodka with my kool aid to see if they’d look better. Obviously I should have grabbed the whisky. This is worse than even I expected. This isn’t just a chemistry issue.

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:03 pm

    Ouch, JC’s gotta be running out of chances to actually have a team show up for a first period
    Positives – Stillman continues to impress and Gus looked good too
    Kane actually looked a bit more like his old self too

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:14 pm

    I almost didn’t watch any of this game because I had sense it was going to be a gong show – I actually said to myself that it would likely be end 5-1 so pretty close

    Instead I watched 10 minutes that were worse than I imagined they be

    Fleury was awful but so were the Hawks

    This is not a well coached team period full stop

    They aren’t any fun to watch right now

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:22 pm

    There is absolutely no evidence or indication from his tenure in CHI that JC will figure this out

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:24 pm

    Go ahead, Danny, don’t wait.

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    Would it be irrational to bring Babs in as HC?

  • October 16, 2021 at 10:53 pm

    Something else to keep in mind..in two of the three games the Hawks have played so far, we didn’t have to face McKinnon, Crosby, or Malkin..we lost both games and neither were close…last year, teams took advantage of the Hawks as much as they could, knowing that we didn’t have a number one center and even worse, we really didn’t have a true number two as well..it effected the Hawks in numerous ways, from losing faceoffs to not having a center who can drive the middle of the ice, to our net front presence, etc..you would think that if any team in the NHL would know how to gameplan for a team missing their top two centers, it would be the Hawks..do exactly to Pittsburgh what the league did to us last year..instead, it looked like we never even prepped for them..losing to Colorado is one thing-that’s a very deep team even without McKinnon..but losing to who, Zucker and Letang? There’s just zero excuse to not have a better showing against a team that depleted..

    Colliton can hit the line blender all he wants..the players don’t trust him to affect the game in any substantial way (only my opinion) and this team looks lost..on the ice, the players seem to be afraid of the puck..as soon as it’s on our stick, we’re looking to move it as quickly as possible whether there is a clean pass available or not..you’d think they were playing with a grenade..it takes 3-4 players to move the puck out of our own zone..no one skating the puck out, no one taking the puck directly to the net, no one even simply firing pucks on net to force the opposing goalie to at least play his position..these are just the basics of hockey..why is the entire team lacking the initiative to even do the basics? How did we go backward so steeply so immediately?

    My guess is that no one (including Kane, regardless of his positive soundbites) respects Colliton or his bench coaches..I don’t think there’s one coach in our organization (maybe our goalies coach) who has the ear of these players..they don’t believe in his system, but even worse, they don’t believe in his ability to affect the outcome of the game with his coaching. It’s going to be a long season if they continue on this path..it doesn’t lead to anywhere new..

  • October 16, 2021 at 11:06 pm

    As long as we have D-cat trying to fight players we are not the softest team to play against lol.
    There is a real disconnect , bad passes ,bad defense ,bad decisions ,bad line changes and bad coaching, leaving the goalie out to dry ….sad .
    Been a fan a long time …we are close to hitting to worst of the worst in the past say….30 years.

  • October 16, 2021 at 11:17 pm

    Who is available

  • October 16, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    @wrap..no, wouldn’t be irrational at all..this team needs an adult coaching them and more so, they need a coach who has actually experienced winning..the mentality before was ”well, it’s a rebuild so we need a young coach who can nurture and help develop young players” but when you bring in Fleury, Johnson, Seth Jones, McCabe, and extend Murphy, then to me that says the rebuild is over, at least for this season..regardless of the fact that there are young players sprinkled throughout this roster, enough capital has been injected into this team that they should be ready to win some games now..Colliton should go..Stan hedged against his own bet by bringing in Crawford to babysit..that tells me that he knew Colliton was in over his head from day one..now it’s confirmed three years later..bring in a veteran coach who has coached more than a second tier Swedish league club..

    One last thought..if Colliton was fired tonight, would any team in the NHL sign him? Is he desirable at all? I think he’d be out of the NHL immediately..so not only is he not fit to coach the Blackhawks, I’m not convinced he could coach in this league at all..

  • October 16, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    We have some real potential on this team, some solid young talent. But that potential will never be realized and that talent will never grow as long as we have Bowman and Colliton at the helm. Tonight was frighteningly pitiful. I said give JC 10 games in my last post. I was wrong. Clean house now.

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:08 am

    I am afraid that as long as Stan Bowman is the G.M that the Chicago Blackhawks will not have a strong minded disciplinarian as their head coach. I believe that Rocky Wirtz has to step in here and move Stan Bowman out,use the Assault Scandal Litigation as a reason if you must but he has to go. The new hockey minded G.M. brings in his own head coach/staff and scouts and we start this over. In the short term load this team up with youth and physicality. Say goodbye to anything that resembles soft lethargic play. Unload Fleury,DeHaan,T. Johnson,and yes Toews immediately if not sooner for a combo of draft picks and prospects all in the mold of a hard,fast,physical team. Immediately move Strome,Nylander,Carpenter and yes Murphy,I believe we are beginning to see his steep decline. That leaves you with a starting point of Kane,Dach DeBrincat,Hagel,Reichel,Borgstrom,Kurashev,R.Johnson,Hardman,Barratt,Kubalik as your forwards with Seth Jones,Stillman,McCabe,Mitchell,Kalynuk,Beaudin,C.Jones as D Men and Lanks & Soderstrom or Commesso at Goalie. Fill in the few open slots with the new coaches favorites from around the league and we begin enjoying hockey around here again. Just my 2 cents for now. Been a real frustrating few days hockey wise boys. Lets bring in the wrecking ball and hope for a beginning to something we can all enjoy and be proud of cause this definitely ain’t it.

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:25 am

    The first three games last season: 5-1 (L), 5-2 (L), 5-2 (L). The record 0-3-0 and outscored 15-5. This season the Hawks have 1 point after 3 games and have been outscored 13-7 … see – progress. :)

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:49 am

    Go to you tube & search FUBAR & these last 3 games will come up. I am now a believer, Bowman has pictures of Wirtz naked with bookers, no other possible explanation how he keeps his job.

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:57 am

    ER, thanks for the comparison and humorous line. Needed a good laugh before calling it a night.

  • October 17, 2021 at 3:45 am

    System needs a change

    Coach or GM? Maybe both.

    But foolish from the beginning/off season to scrap the rebuild w hopes of Making a PO contender

  • October 17, 2021 at 5:42 am

    Collision should have canned a long time ago. In over his skis since day 1.

  • October 17, 2021 at 6:33 am

    From what I remember, the Hawks traded their 1st round pick in 2022 in the Jones deal. Is it true that if they end up with the 1st or 2nd pick that it would be theirs to keep?
    Tab, I was wondering the same thing. How can you develop any continuity among your mates, if your continually putting them in a blender.
    When Stan made the player moves before the season began, he sent a rather confusing message to all those who have interest in the team. Are we going for it all or are we going to take some hits along the way but continually get better. With those moves he put the team in a rather indecisive position. He put the team in the state of being in the middle. Being in the middle means being mired in mediocrity. Worse yet he is stunting the growth of the team.

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:12 am

    Rather watch Beaudin/Mitchell develop vs the train wreck, zero-skating ability of Murphy. Embarrassing.

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:14 am

    I have to admit that I was wrong with Colliton and that Hawks need a big change with the Coaching staff
    The big question is … Who is Available to Coach the new Hawks ?
    I think Toews will not play all season iff the coaches stay .
    I know it’s early but I still think $ Jones was another mistake , no way he deserves that money for all those years but at least he can get trade in a few years .

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:59 am

    When was Brian Campbell added to the Ice Hogs staff??? Is he a Asst. Coach?? He’s not even listed on the Ice Hogs website. While I think he could help the Defense out(who knows if he’d mesh with Kid Coach) I wouldn’t even consider him as a head coach yet it would just be like Savard going behind the bench. But there’s somebody out there that could be a great hire that’s had some bad luck coaching but is well respected in the league: Rick Tocchet. I doubt the Hawks would try and get him because instantly he’d be smarter than StanBo as far
    as hockey sense goes and we all know that StanBo still thinks he’s the smartest guy in the organization. I wouldn’t even consider Marc Crawford.

  • October 17, 2021 at 8:18 am

    Playball … “YOU GET IT” I believe your post is one of the most accurate that I have observed on this site in a very long time.

    Hawks finish in the bottom 2 after the lottery their 2020 first round pick is protected.

    The comment about being stuck in the middle being mired in mediocrity looks like where the hawks are unfortunately heading.

  • October 17, 2021 at 8:22 am

    HAMMER, Right on the money with your coaching assessment. Babcock,Tortorella,Tocchet, HELL bring a combination of all 3 in here. Make Torts or Babcock the G.M. and have Tocchet get behind that bench and rip the guts out of this weak team and organization. I have absolutely no interest seeing Marc Crawford,Brian Campbell,Eddie Olczyk, or anybody else currently associated with this organization anywhere near the rebuild and culture change. Before they got their new gigs ,I wanted SUTTER and Hitchcock here also. Wayne Gretzky and Marc Messier look bored with their new TV gigs already,give them a call or bring any combo in as a consultant. I believe that they have somewhat of a winning pedigree. Time to rock the boat boys.

  • October 17, 2021 at 8:35 am

    Morrison will be happy iff we loose the next 3-4 games so we can get the number one pick to give for $Jones. OMB
    Anyway Let’s talk about the game in Rockford last night
    Soderblom ( first star 40 saves) and Reichel where really good in a win .
    That’s positive. But wow they where outshot big time .
    Oupps …getting cloudy and cold here in Montreal. No big deal , I am leaving for Mexico in 3 weeks …yeaaaaaa

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:02 am

    Pens when into Tampas own rink and whooped them 6-2, then went into Florida’s rink and Panthers were lucky to get an Ot win. So lets not pretend what their doing without Crosby and Malkin was on its own island last night. No surprise Pens came out ready and strong, likewise no surprise anymore the Blackhawks came out flat looking dazed and confused, needs to be addressed, however it happens. Fleury could’ve maybe looked better but team in front of him gave zero pushback while things snowballed out of control in first period.

    I don’t buy the bad luck excuse, because you have to be good to be lucky and so far the Blackhawks haven’t been good except on special teams.

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:31 am

    “Fleury is a bust with the worst goaltending I’ve seen in years.”

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:36 am

    to Ian’s point about our opponents:

    Colorado is the class of the Western Conference
    New Jersey is a much improved team.
    Pittsburgh has been very good thus far – even w/out Crosby or Malkin
    Oh, and Tuesday night? In the Hawks’ home opener? The Islanders, who are a favorite in the Eastern Conference.

    The schedule makers didn’t do the Hawks any favors.

    That said, you can play a good team and compete for 60 minutes. This team has been getting it’s @$$ kicked out of the gate in every game – and it’s been worse since their coach assured the entire hockey world they would be better to start games.

    Whatever systems Colliton allegedly installed during camp are trash. And they’re not identifiable to most fans who watch decent hockey. This team is a mess and it comes from the group behind the bench.

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:50 am


    As much as we can all blame JC for this failure, the elephant in the room is Stan Bowman.
    He has gone from contend to rebuild to contend in a period of less than 5 years. W/out
    Scotty he’s a nobody. He never managed the cap well even though we were told how good
    he was at that coming from ND with an accounting degree.

    Stan hired JC, that’s all I need to know about both.

    I’ll leave you with this.


    Blackhawks, coach Jeremy Colliton agree on two-year contract extension. The deal carries through the 2022-23 season.

    “Jeremy has shown an innate ability to develop young talent throughout his two seasons as head coach of the Chicago Blackhawks,” said Stan Bowman, President of Hockey Operations and General Manager. “This, coupled with his vast knowledge of the game, exceptional communication skills and determination to win, makes us extremely confident Jeremy has what it takes to lead our team back to an elite level as we continue to build a roster that can compete year in and year out.”

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:51 am


    There was a reason we got Fleury for free?

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:55 am

    Still early but this could really ugly really fast.

  • October 17, 2021 at 10:43 am

    I’m tired of repeating myself but until Bowman and Colliton are GONE, it’s only going to get worse. Colliton CAN NOT COACH! Bowman does not have a CLUE!!
    Rocky and Danny Wirtz DON’T CARE ABOUT WINNING OR THEY WOULD ALREADY BE GONE!! The problem is that 20,000 MORONS are going to fill the UC to watch the Isles light them up for another 5 or 6 soft goals. The owners have ZERO INCENTIVE TO PUT OUT A WINNING TEAM WHEN THE STANDS ARE FULL WATCHING A TEAM OF LOSERS!! I hope when they get to the 20th game and they will be 1-15-4, maybe then they will make a move. MAYBE. But probably not! What an UTTER EMBARRASSMENT.

  • October 17, 2021 at 10:49 am

    Sometime over the past year management decided to abandon the rebuild and instead go for the sugar high of a quick fix (euphemistically called by some the “accelerated” rebuild). Maybe Stan sold this to Danny, or maybe Danny told Stan he wanted a winner sooner rather than later. Or maybe this all come about simply because Stan thought he could snag Jones and make up for his failures to draft a top defensive prospect. Who knows.

    Like most hectically orchestrated quick fixes this one isn’t looking very good. There is some talent there and perhaps a new coach can turn things around for a year or two. It won’t matter though – the foundation that we had the opportunity to build through shrewd drafting and patient player development won’t be there. This will likely be dark decade for us.

    By giving up a high picks this year and next, and by signing Jones to what has all the earmarks of an albatross contract we’ll soon be another 2 or 3 years behind where we could have been. Stan should have been gone after we got blown out in the playoffs by the Preds. From that date to the end of Jones contract will mean another 13 years of Stan Bowman weakening the team which never should never should have been allowed to happen. We’re on a path towards becoming to hockey what Kodak became to taking pictures.

  • October 17, 2021 at 10:56 am

    Wow, been a Hawks fan since the 70s, seen highs and lows. I did not expect the Hawks to be very good at the start of the season, with the rebuild and all, but the first 10 minutes of the Avs game was one of the lowest points I have seen. I know that game was at altitude, but the Avs just blew the pants off the Hawks. Just an epic beatdown. I still hope for improvement, but let us just say there is plenty of room for it…

  • October 17, 2021 at 11:09 am

    Oh God, here we go with the excuses,many were provided by Boylen,Shaw,and Colby on the postgame. The Hawks had to start the season playing in the altitude of Colorado. The Avalanche are superhuman. They had to travel to the east coast to play in New Jersey. Their young players aren,t used to NHL travel and large crowds. They had to play 3 home openers and those teams were really jacked up. They had to play back to back games on the road. Kane doesn’t feel good yet,Toews is still getting into game shape. Seth Jones is adjusting to his new team. The Hawks have alot of new players. Blah,Blah,Blah. Excuses are pathetic and used by losing organizations and the media to justify incompetence at all levels of an organization.

  • October 17, 2021 at 11:12 am

    Tim W: The Hawks Organization is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Because of StanBo winning the power struggles he is firmly entrenched as of right now. Yes he can fire Kid Coach but nobody decent enough will want the job knowing StanBo is a lame duck GM in the eyes of the Hockey World. You can fire StanBo and Kid Coach now, let Crawford lame duck it as a coach and hire a new GM next year but then again it would be another lost season. I personally would like Tocchet as a coach, I think he got a raw deal in Arizona but he would need a competent GM that would want him as a coach. I like the Cap Guy they hired and think he will be an asset to the club, I think they just need an GM that can assess talent(ala Tallon but not him) correctly and he can hire a real Hockey Coach and have the Cap Guy aide the GM about what he can do financially. But this will take some time if they want to do it the right way. In the meantime we have this open cancer on our club, Toews and Kane get wasted again and fans are P.Oed only after 3 games after thinking this could be a promising season(not me of course, I was a “WallDog” according to some here). Right now its a complete GoatF**k. Plus they wasted Fleury’s time by signing him. Gus needs to go NOW, he’s useless another classic StanBo bandaid approach.

  • October 17, 2021 at 11:16 am

    P.S. Just to get out ahead of the Tuesday night excuse of playing the vaunted Islanders,they are in the midst of playing 13 road games in a row while the final touches are being put on their new arena and they will be without 2 of their top D Men.

  • October 17, 2021 at 12:16 pm

    Savard got 4 games in 2008 before being fired. Just fire the guy so we can move on, please. This is not working.

  • October 17, 2021 at 12:24 pm

    Tochett ain’t the answer. Please

  • October 17, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    At this point the best scenario to salvage the season is for the Hawks to get blown out by NYI and JC to get the boot as a result- I fear that they’ll stumble along winning just enough so that Stan can justify not firing Colliton

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    If JC gets fired…. who’s available?

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:19 pm

    WRAP, This week and homestand sets up perfect for Colliton to get off the ropes. The Islanders will be 4 games into a 13 game road trip,the Canucks will be 4 games into a 6 game trio, Detroit is still a bottom tier team,and the Leafs are still sorting things out with Matthews not back from wrist surgery yet. So the Hawks will be hard pressed to find excuses for a poor 4 game homestand.

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:23 pm

    Mike R., anyone with a pulse that’s runs a NHL system and demands preparedness and accountability would be a great choice right now. Torts,Babs,Tocchet,etc.

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:24 pm

    To every single FOOL who goes to the UC and makes the Wirtz family richer, take a look in the mirror because YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. If the building is empty then they MUST make changes. As long as the building is full, what is the incentive to put out a good product? The Bears have known this since Old Man Halas died. Face it: You are stuck with some of the WORST OWNERS, GM’s, and coaches in all of sports. I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Flower retires before the halfway point of the year. He NEVER, EVER, EVER should have gone to Chicago from Vegas. Jones’s contract will make you WISH you could complain about the Seabrook deal again, it’s goin to be TEN TIMES WORSE!! The Hawks SUCK. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

  • October 17, 2021 at 1:59 pm

    @Johnny Joseph – totally agree about fans staying away. Hitting them in the pocket book is the only way they will pay attention. The part about Flower retiring and the Jones contract, I still hold out for both, especially Jones. Give him a good coach and a solid system and he will meet the challenge.

  • October 17, 2021 at 3:11 pm

    I think there is enough talent on this roster to compete for he playoffs but not with JC as coach

    Another name that should be considered were Colliton to be fired is Claude Julien along with Babcock

    I’m not sold on either Boudreau or Tocchet as the right coach but truthfully any of them would be better than what we have

  • October 17, 2021 at 4:32 pm


  • October 17, 2021 at 4:42 pm

    Fire jc and bring in Nagy…
    he has all the answers too…

  • October 17, 2021 at 5:04 pm

    If Chelios doesn’t want the job then hell I’ll take it. Couldn’t do any worse than the clown in charge now

  • October 17, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    Put yourself in Stan’s shoes. Does anyone seriously think he’s going to want to hire a strong coaching personality like Babcock or Torts? Not likely.

    Stan is weak and if he’s going to make a change he’s going to be looking at someone who doesn’t threaten him (like JC) which kind of limits his options.

    It never ends with our Stanley.

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    With the Islanders in town it would be a good idea to have an informal chat with Lane Lambert . He has been on Barry Trotz,s staff as his #2 man from the Nashville days and is definitely a Trotz type of disciplinarian and coach and Trotz has been lobbying for him to get a head coaching job. Kirk Muller would be another to consider as he lost out on the Montreal job because he did not speak french. These would be a couple of choices that would not immediately make Bowman uncomfortable although I would prefer that Bowman be shown the door with Colliton. Maybe bring in Kevin Weakes as a G.M. There are alot of good hard hockey people out there to build a staff with. We should not be saddled with Bowman,Colliton,Marc Crawford,Brookbank ,and whatever the euro coaches name is Thomas something or another. Lets pull that switch and get this train on a much different track like right now.

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    wasnt it 2008 today that savie was fired for coach q but choir boy still gets a free ride?

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    Collision seems mediocre at best but they started like garbage last year as well with what on paper is a less talented team, relax people give it another 10-20 games

  • October 17, 2021 at 7:58 pm

    Walldogs 3
    Hawks Fans 0

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:07 pm

    How bring King up from Rfd. the rest of the year with Campbell coaching the defense. They know most of these younngsters would have handle on most of the players. Then begin a search for a new GM and he can decide in off season on where to go with the coaching staff. Odds are a coaching change shows positive results in short term, usually does. Then finding a new GM can make right decisions regarding long term. Hiring an established coach for long term without new Gm having input into it, is putting cart before the horse.

    Fleury isn’t a quitter so doubt he goes out that way. I imagine he’ll bounce back as he always has. Don’t be surprised if no moves are made either and wins start coming, maybe this early adversity is what brings this team together, wouldn’t be first time it did.

  • October 17, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    Ian – the most likely scenario is that the players come together and win a few games but one thing that won’t change is the Hawks giving up too many shots too many HD chances too many odd man rushed not sustaining enough O zone pressure because those things have been in place since Colliton was hired and there’s been no real improvement since then either

    I keep hoping I’m wrong but I don’t see how this team can be taken seriously until there’s an NHL coach behind the bench

    If Stan won’t do it then Danny will have to and that as you say would mean Stan being replaced as well

    It’s hard to be optimistic about anything Hawk related at the moment- I just don’t see any decisive action being taken but rather just stumbling along and missing the playoffs

  • October 17, 2021 at 10:12 pm

    Given the money they have spent on Seth Jones,Fleury,and T.Johnson along with the very slow advance ticket sales combined with the quality of their division, I don’t think they can afford to wait 20 games or even 10 games to make a move. Toss in that Toews looks like he is going to serve as a 3rd Line faceoff specialist and you have a raging fire that has to be addressed by Rocky Wirtz.

  • October 18, 2021 at 7:38 am

    Just for fun
    Last night Crevier had the first goal and the winning goal ( 3 pts ) + 5 for the rempart de Québec . Patrick Roy ( coach ) said Crevier is exactly the player they wish to get in the trade and very happy with the development of the kid .
    At 6’8 and 214 pounds he still has time to gain a 5-10 kilos minimum.
    Roy really wanted to get Crevier to start this season and said he love what he sees.
    Crevier could be a real good bottom six Dmen for the Hawks iff he continues to progress with Patrick Roy . Crevier was a 7 round pick from Ottawa-Montreal to the Hawks . I remember that he was a surprise at the Hawks camp according to some Hawks coaches .

  • October 18, 2021 at 7:57 am

    2010- thx for the report on Crevier
    He definitely stood out to me in Camp/pre-season- as a capable player who seemed to “get it”.
    Size- and decent skater for that crazy long reach. Actually seemed smaller- cuz he was so fluid – kinda like Vlasic- and opposite of Swedberg- who skated like he was 6’9. So hawks should have 2 capable-big-fluid skating D in couple of years.

    Yes- sadly as I assumed- MAF/Jones- would only pro-long the “Rebuild”– SAD

    Some GREAT top picks coming out in next 2 drafts- I mean Crosby/Kane like guys…. Couple Russian kids seem to be off the charts good-too

    I like Dach- But he is not top tier
    I like Seth Jones… but he ain’t no DK, Doughty, Petrangelo type-player… and certainly not worth the contract.

  • October 18, 2021 at 8:14 am

    JC isnt leading this team anywhere but the same long dark tunnel .

  • October 18, 2021 at 8:42 am

    I think we need a Godfather type of scenario for Chicago sports…settle all the family business!

    Fire Colliton
    Fire Ross
    Fire LaRussa
    Fire Nagy

    Make it truly a Black Monday!

  • October 18, 2021 at 10:03 am

    Since day 1 basically i’ve said that in my opinion Colliton isn’t the guy to coach them when they want to win. Still haven’t changed my mind but always said if i am proven wrong i’ll be very happy, not bitter and full of excuses, nor try to rewrite the history of my opinions. Interesting to note though, both Toews and Kane have publicly stated support for him. Ssying the team would be winning if everybody bought into his way of playing.

    Wrap another thing I said after Q firing is that Bowman wouldn’t hire the next coach. I still say that and my biggest fear is, he panics and replaces Colliton with Crawford or another experienced coach to buy time for himself. If cleaning house do it right and have a fresh start in front office. Bowman got another title when McDonough was fired, and i’m sure some other responsbilities but it seems biggest difference is he runs the hockey end now without McDonoughs influence and Danny Wirtz took over the meat of the job. So my thoughts is both Colliton and Bowman go or more likely they both will get the chance to let this year continue to play out and decisions made at end of season.

    Been hearing the same old Toews washed up stuff for a number years and don’t give them any more thought than i did 5 years ago. Are his offensive numbers what they were in cup years no, has he had the quality and consistency of linemates since then, no, every player ages, deals with issues and their game evolves with it, that’s life. Elite players find ways to stay elite.

  • October 18, 2021 at 10:13 am

    One other thing on MAF, if he did retire which i doubt, but if he did. He would forego the rest of this years pay and a prorated caphit, likely in the .25m range right now would be his hit for rest of season. No bonuses or 35+ contract to change that. That means 6.75m in capspace cleared, with Lankinen looking like he is in the groove, Subban and Delia both still around fo depth, plus Soderblom looking impressive in early going. Not ideal but not dire either and Fleury experiment cost the steep price of never Nhler Hakkarainien. Would be the least of my worries there, the loss of Fleury in the dressing room and what he is going through himself if he really doesn’ t want to play would be the unfortunate part of it.

  • October 18, 2021 at 10:15 am


    I think that Patrick Roy is the best coach Crevier can get and he will make him grow big time.He will get advice from one off the best Goalie NHL had .
    Iff the talent is there Roy will bring him to the NHL level .
    When I saw Roy trading to get him I was really really happy for the kid and for the Hawks .
    Wish he could also coach Nolan Allan ;) Another Dman who need good coaching

  • October 18, 2021 at 11:14 am

    If the playoffs are the goal of this team then you can’t have a #1 Center that lays 0,s across his Stat line,3 games in a row now, and does not challenge the net offensively at all. Toews isn’t right by any standards and that has to be addressed some time soon if that blank Stat sheet continues . We will see very soon. There are no places to hide for #1 Centers in this league.

  • October 18, 2021 at 11:33 am

    Be careful of what you ask for in a new coach.

    You want Torts and Babcock? Really? I’d rather have the players they coached than the results of their past few seasons.

    Babcock absolutely blew up a Toronto team that was TOTALLY stacked with talent, epic talent that any GM could only hope to assemble. He never came close to putting those pieces together and that organization has fallen to the side from the damage done and time lost in trying to develop a TEAM concept up there. Oh yeah – and then we find out what a quality human the coach was and how the players felt about him. Babcock had old school players who could handle an old school approach to coaching while in Detroit. That isn’t and wasn’t Toronto.

    Torts has been a destructive force in every program he has coached. Players couldn’t get out of Columbus quickly enough – any and pretty much all of them. Vancouver was a real joy to watch for Hawks fans. Torts believes every forward should be risking their career laying on the ice to block shots. Yeah – Patrick Kane blocking shots. That would go over well on this board (sarcasm). And I would agree that I don’t want him ending his career eating rubber. Another guy who needs to be the center of attention, blowing up press conferences to get his name out there for more interviews and attention. Yes, he has a ring, which means he got it done once, quite a while ago, before he became grandmaster of bad media attention. Yes, for those that think winning a cup make you a perfect coach – it was 2004. Different era. See Babcock and Scotty Bowman Stanley Cups.

    Simply put – times have changed in this world, and in sports too. The era(s) of SOB coaches who bully and abuse players is just about over, in most every professional sport I follow. I’m not voicing approval or disapproval of the change, only stating that the times have changed. Not many organizations are going to go back to the Hitchcock, Tortorella, Babcock, Ditka, Parcells, Scotty Bowman approach to coaching because it is toxic under today’s lifestyle and direction of social change. I’m not saying the change is good, bad or anything other than HAPPENING. Don’t read this post as a statement of validation for the change, or of a rebuking of the change, just an acknowledgement of the change.

    The Hawks already have their mess from the changing social dynamics playing out on a public stage. Call it WOKE or CANCEL or whatever you please, but society has changed and it has already hit our town sports too. The group of younger players hitting teams the past 10 years or so is from a totally different mindset (or school if you prefer) than most here on this board grew up in. I’m not saying one is better than the other, just that it has changed. To ignore the change that has taken place would be not very smart for any sports program, especially professional ones. I just don’t see the old school dominant my-way-or-the-highway coaching attitude working in hockey. It’s becoming a kinder and gentler approach to interacting between players and coaches.

    Old school fans blame the new school players. New school fans blame the old school coaches. Sync up the coaching with the players, and you likely have a better chance of success.

    Remember: Change is good. You go first.

  • October 18, 2021 at 3:27 pm

    JC and Stan Bowman both need to be fired. They are both clueless.

  • October 18, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    Maybe it’s a bit of like father like son. Maybe we should call Rocky half dollar bill or dollar junior. This coach is clueless and in over his head. Screw Bowman, we all know he ain’t worth crap.

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