12 thoughts on “IceHogs Sign D Justin Holl

  • August 4, 2014 at 11:38 am
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    Tab, is there a way to extract value from the defensive players who might not see time in Chicago. Some of these players won’t get to establish themselves as NHL caliber D-Men with the level of players they have in front of them. It is not a bad problem to have, but Bowman seems to be reluctant to trade a package of prospects ( I can really only think of the two Florida deals recently) and I think that might be the only way to get value from what seems an excess of D-Men. I just don’t want the Stanton scenario to keep happening. Is the justification just that you can never have enough quality players in your system?

  • August 4, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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    Justin Holl- Hogs can play this guy at Forward a little too… Could be something between Bbank and Buff!!!

  • August 4, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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    Not sure I would ever compare Holl to Byfuglien… or Brookbank for that matter. He’s a smooth skater with good hands but isn’t going to knock anybody into the 3rd row.

    to Peter’s question – you have to establish some professional value in the prospects before you can trade them. There are A LOT of talented kids battling for spots in Rockford & Indy, but guys like Johns, vanRiemsdyk, Fournier & Holl have little/no AHL experience. You’re right that “too much talent” is a great problem to have, and I agree that nobody wants to see a good player like Stanton go for nothing again. But in the salary cap era you must be constantly developing talent for the if/when an injury or free agency happens. There appears to be an excess on paper right now, but let’s see how it all shakes out in October.

  • August 4, 2014 at 12:54 pm
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    Wow, that’s a relief. I was worried the Hogs weren’t going to have enough d-men …

    Although maybe the plan is to convert him to forward. I believe he played some forward with the Gophers.

  • August 4, 2014 at 5:20 pm
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    Tab, the plan might be for the Hawks to put him on the Buff diet- fatten him up to 240… and make him a PP/net specialist…

    Like ER said- they really need more D help?!?!

  • August 5, 2014 at 12:45 am
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    I actually like this move. Holl played on the top pair for the Gophers last year with former Rangers 1st rounder Brady skjei. Skjei would skate all over the ice and pinch. Holl was the steady Eddie who stayed back. Good size, skates well and obviously a really good teammate. When the gophers had a surplus of defensemen his junior year, lucia asked him if he would be willing to play forward. Holl did it for the good of the team and wound up being a pretty effective penalty killer. He then went back to “d” as a senior and played very very well.

    I agree with Tab. Dent and Osieki will have to decide from holl, Fournier, van riemsdyk who is going to round out the last couple spots. The guy who adapts to the pro game the quickest will likely play in Rockford.

  • August 5, 2014 at 6:19 pm
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    The Hogs already have too many DMen, so I am not sure where Holl will play (Indy to start???), but I’m glad they did sign him…Holl had a really good sr. year at Minny…and he’s got potential to be an NHL DMan with his speed and hands…plus over the last few years he was well school on the art of playing defence responsibly…good signing…

    Is this also a sign that TWO Hogs might be in the NHL come October? We are currently 3 over in Rockford for DMen.

  • August 6, 2014 at 9:36 am
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    Brad- my thoughts exactly- on two/or more D men from Hogs moving up to Hawks…
    question is- will it be this year or next year???

    Hawks/Hogs have a ton of Depth at D… so I am guessing this Camp will be a legit “Tryout” for a couple of Hogs!!!

    Several here have expressed the Hawks are in Win this year mode- and would be better with both 27/8… BUT- if SB/Q see that 2-3 of these guys are ready… one or both of them COULD be on the move sooner then later… Is it the right move for this year??? (we will only know if they win the Cup this year)…

    But the heavy signing of D men- imply that the Hawks will be trying to replace D guys-
    and that the Forwards (at least top 9- not Versteeg) will be staying put!

  • August 6, 2014 at 10:46 am
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    One other factor to consider. With the hawks now parenting a team in Indy of the echl. Stan and company might want to stock as many home grown prospects in both triple-a rockford and double-a Indy so to speak, instead of watching Indy sign a bunch of former college players whom the hawks have absolutely no interest in. This might explain the late signing of holl and last weeks signing of kariil Gotovets, the guy they got in the trade for Phillipe paradis.

  • August 6, 2014 at 10:52 am
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    Craig, Indy is a new location, but not new for the Hawks…we have had our ECHL team in Toledo and still have a number of players there under contract…its just a new venue in Indy. So we are OVER the limit for DMen everywhere…it will be interesting.

  • August 7, 2014 at 12:30 am
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    I agree it will be very interesting. Espn’s Scott powers wrote a column on holl. It seems he was just itching for an opportunity to prove that he can play pro hockey. I think a few factors to keep in mind : Fournier is coming off a serious shoulder injury and has not played competitive high level hockey since December. Van riemsdyk, same going back to January. Both have never played pro hockey. Svedberg suffered a serious season ending injury last year. So that’s 3 question marks. Add in the fact that Johns only played a handful of pro games. So really Rockford has a top 5 of Clendening, Dahlbeck, Cumiskey, and Brisbois. Should roszival get traded and dahlbeck move up to the nhl, suddenly things are pretty thin experience wise in Rockford. Mind you I don’t think Stan is trading either leddy or oduya. But what if Clendening outplays rundblad in camp And roszival gets traded ? Then you nailed it Sr. Brad things get really really interesting on the defensive side at all levels. Fun to speculate and hypothesize for sur.

  • August 7, 2014 at 10:04 am
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    Great response Craig…I am waiting anxiously for Stan to make “the trade”, things will fall into place after that!

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