MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT
The 2021-22 NHL season was arguably the hardest in the history of the Chicago Blackhawks for so many reasons.
Last summer, the team had legit cap space for the first time in a decade and spent like drunk sailors just a few months removed from telling fans they were going to rebuild. The moves made noise and, for some, created a sense of hope that this could be a somewhat successful season (read: maybe at least make a playoff push?).
The off-ice issues that clouded the franchise led to the release of the organization’s internal investigation into the sexual assault of Kyle Beach and subsequent termination of Stan Bowman (yeah, he resigned but…). Rearranging the front office led to the departure of head coach Jeremy Colliton. Derek King got the run at head coach and Kyle Davidson was eventually named the permanent general manager.
The team on the ice was bad. The mix of players Bowman brought in didn’t work, and the coaching wasn’t good enough (especially Colliton). So we went into a deadline as sellers and Davidson made some hard decisions with players fans really liked.
Now, we enter a summer with more questions than answers. What does the coaching staff look like next year? What is the future of the remaining players from the dynasty core? And which young players are viewed as part of the solution by the new front office?
What we do know is the future always offers more opportunity for optimism. And changes are inevitable.
Indeed, significant changes are coming. And some are already here.
I started writing about the Chicago Blackhawks at a young start-up site named Bleacher Report back in 2008. After a season of grinding away on their platform, I decided to make the bold step to go out on my own and start a site where the passion for the Chicago Blackhawks could live and grow.
On Oct. 1, 2009, the first post was published on CommittedIndians.com. It was a preview of the 2009-10 season, which closed with the following:
“But all of the speculation, magazine and video game covers now mean nothing. On October 2, the Blackhawks begin their quest to bring the Stanley Cup to Chicago for the first time in nearly 50 years.“
What we know now is the Blackhawks embarked on a dynasty that brought them more magazine covers, more league-wide attention and three Stanley Cup championships. They won. And they sold tickets… and jerseys, hats, shirts, hoodies and just about anything and everything that could have the iconic Blackhawks logo on it.
What we also now know is they made many decisions behind closed doors that, unfortunately, put winning above all else.
But for 13 years, this has been the primary home of my writing about the Chicago Blackhawks. I’ve written two books about the Blackhawks since starting this site as well, and have been credentialed for multiple Stanley Cup Finals — a dream come true.
The last couple years haven’t been easy. With the pandemic impacting every aspect of life and the organization’s trials, the seasons of change have reached the entirety of the Blackhawks’ fan base.
Now, change has reached this site’s future as well.
Starting today, I am thrilled to announce my full-time coverage of the Chicago Blackhawks is moving. I have accepted that invitation to serve as the lead Blackhawks writer at Bleacher Nation, and am thrilled to join their outstanding team.
It’s bittersweet writing this because of the community we’ve built and developed here over those 13 wonderful, fun, exciting years.
This has been our home to talk about the Blackhawks.
And I’ve loved (almost) every minute of it.
I’ve met so many of you at the United Center, watch parties, bars, cigar shops, book signings and three parades. We’ve developed relationships offline that will move with me from this site to BN.
There are more than 107,000 comments on this site, and fans have clicked to the posts on this site millions of times. Millions. It is truly humbling to look around at the home this has become for fans of the Chicago Blackhawks.
I want to thank everyone who has visited this site, commented, sent a text, DM’d me on Twitter, bought a round or shared a stogie with me over the past 13 years. Through the ups and downs, this site has been a place to share your fandom — happiness, frustration and everything in between. It’s been about us — it always has been.
My invitation to everyone here today is to bring your Blackhawks conversation over to Bleacher Nation. This is far from goodbye. We’re just moving to a new address.
thanks for the memories.see ya BN.go panthers.
Congrats Tab!
I just tried searching for the app Bleacher Nation for my iPhone. I have to Google it to read articles. Is there another way to keep it without always Googling it?
@Greyhawk – maybe bookmark the site? That’s a good, easy first step…
Thanks for keeping us United- particularly over the past few years when both a devastating pandemic and anemic product on the ice ( and in the front office!) dampened our spirits.
Best of luck with the new gig!
Congrats. Plus Bleacher Nation uses Disqus!!! Seeing I have a Disqus Acct already, Hammer Time will now be lvmra!!! See you on the Flip. I’m guessing this website will be discontinued??
Hammer+Time – I’m not shutting CI down immediately. It’ll still be around for a while but there won’t be new content here — everything new will be at Bleacher Nation
Congratulations Tab, thanks for the memories here and hope to see you and everybody at BN.
Beyond stoked for you my friend.
Don’t lose the snark, ok?
What a ride it’s been. So much fun and crap.
#FreeMorin
#KaneForMiller
Congratulations and will follow you over to Bleacher Nation! Keep up the great work.
Congratulations ?
Its always nice to see hard work pay off, congrats Tab.
I have appreciated a place to voice an opinion or two, vent when frustrated, and a site to cheer on my favorite team paying the best damn sport.
Thank you
I am going to miss this site a lot. However, I can only assume that this is better for Tab personally and for that I am glad. He worked his ass off for us on this site. I hope Bleacher Nation gives him the same leeway that he has had here. I also hope that all the posters here (well, most of the posters) will move over there and post on Disqus.
Congratulations Tab.
I’ll be over at Bleacher Nation. It’s a wonderful opportunity for you. Good luck and God bless.
Congratulations Tab!
Good luck, keep up the good work, congrats. Always enjoyed your work & insight, see ya on the other side.
Congrats Tab! and thanks for hosting this site and good luck with your new gig – I’ll definitely miss it – it was the best Hawk poster commentary that I’ve come across
I’ll give BN a shot and hope to see many of you there
After a quick read on some of the comments to the article introducing Tab
I think CI alum can raise the bar a bit over there
Congratulations Tab
Thanks for everything.
Continue to enjoy what you love to do .
Good luck
Life is beautiful.
Really, truly hope to see all of you flooding the comments over at Bleacher Nation the way we have always had great conversation here!
Tab, congratulations ,I’m sure you’ll put together some great stories ,articles ! In the last few years I feel the club has been poorly run . I’ll make the 500 mile drive from Canada and sit in one of those nose bleed 20 buck seats with the boo birds and watch who wants to play for the Hawks and it will be hard as I will remember 2,4, and 7 and pair of good goalers ! This will be a decade of a turnstile club ! Players coming and going ! They must build the club with the draft and some young guns that want to stay in Chitown and enjoy all it has to offer ! I’m sure 19 and 88 will show them around ! Pops 4
Thanks for your insight and sarcasm Tab , your a no nonsense kinda guy .
Congratulations Tab. Best wishes for the new gig.
Congratulations for your work and the memories, some interesting ones from time to time. lol Hopefully many of us can get together to talk Hawks. It’s been a long go and the site will be missed.
Thanks Tab…..see ya on the BN side
Congrats Tab and thanks for giving us this great forum
i am a technological wasteland. some help if someone would be so kind. i would like to interact on bleacher nation as i have on committed indians.
1) will we be able to post comments on “bleacher nation?”
2) if so, do we have to join some format that facilitates that? someone referred to disqus. i briefly checked disqus out and saw several membership plans. which would be the plan that would enable the give and take we have had on committed indians?
any other advice would be greatly appreciated.
thanks so much.
I would say this is great news.
Some people will follow you anywhere.
I’d say, pretty exciting!
Way to go !
Much to do about everything.
You will hear from me!
Congrats and I have enjoyed the CI site for years. I’m in the same boat as HAWKS29. I’m a technological Luddite. Any info on how to get on BN would be appreciated.
Congrats Tab. Fantastic site here and very much appreciate what you have done for us by giving us this place to vent, annoy, discuss, disagree and even agree from time to time.
Best to ya big guy!
Congrats to Hagel for netting one tonight.
“Any info on how to get on BN would be appreciated.”
ALL OF THE LINKS ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ARTICLE
Thank you for everything Tab and to all of us Blackhawks Fans we will see you on the flip flop. Great job! Let’s hope 2022-2023 will be something to get excited about!
Congratulations, Tab. And thank you very much for all of the very hard work you’ve put in to allow us bums to voice our thoughts and opinions here. It has been much appreciated.
Looking forward to visiting over at Bleacher Nation.
Best Regards, Big Indian
Congrat’s and best of luck to you at BN
I have only submitted a few comments over the past several years but at least a few times each week I visited this site for information and insights on my favourite team. Living in central Ontario made finding news about the Blackhawks a real challenge in days past. Your books helped me relive many memories from my childhood going back to the 60s and through the highs and lows since.
Thank you for everything and best wishes for much success with your next adventure!!!
Tab thank you for all the hard work you put into the site. Not a day went by that I didn’t check in to see if anyone posted something. From the intelligent and from the not so much.
Congratulations and all the best to you.
JR
Congrats and good luck
Rockford blank Texas and win the series 2-0.
Next.
MAF play’s in is third games
2nd win for MAF. Does he need to win any games in round 2? As long as Minny makes it to the WCF we get a #1, correct?
Not that we needed him. With EKane’s play he would have brought in a nice haul at a TDL if he was ours.
Copp we could have kept.
Rumblings that Winnipeg is going to make some moves. Wouldn’t mind getting some of their big bodies. Could be the landing spot for our Captain at TDL or sooner without a sweetener just retention.
MAF needs to be winning goalie in 4 games and Wild make it to Conference Finals for pick upgrade.
There is your stop gap coach for possibly 3 yrs Trotz available
B A R R Y T R O T Z
Trotz is a win-now coach and may end up in his hometown of Winnipeg. Several other teams may be interested. At this stage Hawks need a good development coach who will give youngsters minutes, let them learn from mistakes, and experiment mixing lines and pairings.
Don’t think we have a chance at that first round pick. Colorado looks just so good. Hopefully that 3rd rounder turns into a 2nd rounder.
Columbus gets our 6th place pick.
Montreal New Jersey Arizona
6th for top pair defensemen. Need two more to get to dynasty level one more to be a top team. It all started with dunks and Seabs. Then we drafted good/hammer. Got good fw sharp hoss others from trade/ufa.
Load young wave.
Be better to have bottom 5 records then win with trotz too soon. But when do you get the top notch coaches gm team system. You have to at some point. Just makes sure we get three top 3/5 elites then were back. The rest will follow.
I came to ck and see we won the lottery. Then saw this. I think I posted here first in 2011 or 12 can’t remember. Wow dynasty’s go fast that’s 10 yrs like that. Enjoy them there’s only been 7 teams that have done it so far in history of nhl.
I would separate the first 50 yrs and those three Canadian teams dynasty’s with the others since they had the farms/picks. So when you look at it I would say EDM and CHI had the top dynasty’s of all of them when you look at the background/farms and top picks every yr, 95 m payrolls in mid 90s when every product else was what?
Maybe we were top two all time but with salary cap and the quality of teams we had to beat I think our dynasty was top two or something one of the better ones of them.
Now this place is going to other site so seems like this site was a dynasty site. We ll have to go to that one and win there on at a time now.
Here is what Bleacher Report says one of the losers of this year’s draft lottery:
Loser: Chicago Blackhawks
This was the result of bad management. The ‘Hawks went all in last summer and as a result, they gave up that pick in the Jones trade. Former general manager Stan Bowman made a short-sighted decision to try and load up in an attempt to give Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews one more chance at a Stanley Cup. But Bowman resigned amid following the investigation of the sexual assault allegations against Brad Aldrich and the team was bad right from the start. They fired coach Jeremy Colliton and Derek King still has the interim tag.
The Blackhawks took the interim tag off of general manager Kyle Davidson, and it sure sounds like he’s going to start rebuilding. A first-round pick sure would help jump-start a rebuild, but the ‘Hawks will have to wait until next year to select one.
So the Hawks took very good player , but with a nine year high-priced contract, for last year’s 11th and now this year’s sixth to Columbus. As I posted last July, I bet more champagne flowed in the CBJ organization than on New Year’s Eve. A trademark StanBo deal trying a quick-fix band-aid approach for a team with MANY needs.
whoever thinks Trotz is not a good fit for this team, probably thinks like Bob Pulford did when he told us ‘Wayne Gretzky doe not fit in our long term plans’ when 99 was a free agent and the Hawks were still a good playoff team.
Trotz consistently took undertalented team to the playoffs in Nashville. Consistently.
Good luck in new gig.
This news saddens me. I am not one that normally embraces change. I’m thankful for what was offered here and want to wish Tab greater successes ahead. You sure did this place right. Thank you!
To all the friends without faces, I enjoyed your commentary and wish you well.
Grateful to Tab for providing the best forum for Blackhawks fans on the internet for many years. Thanks for all the efforts, great summaries, inside info, and insights. Thanks to many of the posters here for similar info and great insights too and to others for well—um the entertainment of uh entertaining some absurd trade scenarios for example.
Congrats to Tab and go Hawks!!
Not good. Wolves sweep Hogs. WGN sportscaster celebrated. Why not just say the Wolves are more important than the Blackhawks. Lots to be concerned about our pipeline.
How do we leave comments on Bleacher ? Do i need to sign up ? I don`t do twitter ..Thanks .
The wolf is the best team in the league so I was glad to see some young players getting a taste off winning with 2 victory then meet the best team in AHL . It’s a very good experience for all the kids
Trotz would transform the Hawks in less then 2 years .but there is a few good coach already available after their team lost. The first round .
Very Interesting summer ahead.
Time for e real deep fondation to built a new young,solid and talented team .
Good LUCK.
Looking at a win now team. I do not want to trade Kane. But if we can rent him out and resigns with us…..
Kane on the wing in Toronto. We retain $5.25mil give them a number 3 for the right Nylander and Curtis Douglas.
Don’t think Minny going to be able to afford Fiala. TJohnson at $2.5mil Kubalik or Kurashev and their #2 back for Fiala we sign him at $6-7mil.
JR R
Ok ..where do I sign to approve the trades
We could see big move with the Hawks, probably not before Hawks get Stroz and chance tobring the Hawks to another reality .
Damn thought Florida was built for a run. Down 0-3
JR
OUTCH….. painful.
Ya think E Kane’s play is out weighing the headaches he could cause for Edmonton? Again not a player that would have changed anything for us. (maybe) But we could have traded him to someone. Holland a smart GM.
Different tangent
How does Poile still have a job.
EK wouldn’t have wanted to play here. Nothing to play for. Headaches not worth the return to us. Mistake avoided.
EDM seems to have finally figured out how to play PLAYOFF hockey. They remind me of the 2013 and 15 teams. Smother the other team with relentless forecheck and pressure. They could be dangerous if continuing to play at this level. McGod living up to name. What a player. Smith is still their weakest link.
Florida is all offense and no defense. See EDM and Toronto of previous (and most of) this year. Can’t win a Cup in this age without playing defense. Q knew that and likely could have been a difference, but……
Can’t remember who said “JR I watched Copp and he is terrible, did you ever see him play. Why did Winnipeg get rid of him?”
Get some Mr. Magoo glasses so you can “watch” better. 11 playoff games 10 points. 34 games 12 points with Winnipeg. Look at positioning and ice vision hockey sense. I think those are big to evaluate talent.
He would look good in the Indian head.
Coach Q didn’t like Nick Leddy. Not a bad career since leaving the Hawks. Four assists tonight in the OT win. BTW Byram had two assists. Didn’t need to draft him. We had studs like Boqvist.
Tab is there anyway to bring the Draft History, KD History as GM, and Top Prospects over to Bleacher Nation somehow so that reference doesn’t disappear? I love looking back on that every now and then.
Crevier had another goal for Quebec yesterday ..now he has 4 goals 7 pts + 9 in 8 games.
Still not sure if he can get better and play in NHL in the future but at 6’8 215 pounds he might get a chance to play in Rockford in one 2 years.
Is it possible to post comments on Bleacher Nation or it’s just a one way site ?
Ian
Are you still here ?
To all the people who post, especially those with long histories on this site it’s been fun-I hope good health to all. Ebony, we have disagreed at times, but always valued your perspective–I hope things are OK and if not in my thoughts.
Thanks Tab.
Noonan
Do you know if we can post on BN . ?
Not sure 2010
Looks like another scandal about to erupt. Let’s hope our acquisitions from Tampa are not involved. Other big names on the roster Makar, Foote, Thomas, Kyrou, Steel, Dube, Hart and others.
Bleacher Report sucks ! Zero personality to it ,
Chow friends .
Finally we can’t post on the other site .so I will try to find another place to post some comments..
Anybody knows a site similar to the one We had here .
To bad because we had fun here except for 2-3 coucou.
I don’t really feel the energy on BN . It’s like reading a newspaper that you can’t exchange your tought. Nothing really interesting.
Nothing is forever
It was nice to be here for many years and exchange
Take care guys and continue to enjoy life.
I have to concur with those others about Bleacher Nation and Tabs Blackhawks articles. So blah now. AND it does feel like reading a local newspaper article. Actually, almost every article Tab does, references Scott Powers. We might as well follow that guy.
I have been following and reading Tabs blogs on the old format for many years as well as those who posted comments and opinions there. I continued to follow and read here on his new format and those who posted. Never really liked this new format. However, it did seem to get rid of the trolls who would copy a persons name and post stupid crap. Hence why I stopped even posting a comment many many years ago because my screen was trolled and Tab felt the need to delete me.
Anyways, as someone else said, if anyone finds a new place, that we as Hawk fans, can discuss the team and share opinions pls post.. Thanks in advance…
HF Boards –chicago blackhawks
lot of posters from all over world
many Euros– which help when looking for Euro scouting
Ebony – used to post there a lot too
Tab- black listed me here several times– yes- I am obnoxious,,,, But I was also spot on about many things
Hello old friends – looks like I returned just in time to say goodbye. I had a personal tragedy in my life that put things like hockey fandom in the backseat of priorities. I suppose if I had to have a year to not care about our Hawks – this would have been a good year for that. I still love the Hawks and I’m starting to come out of the haze of grief. Maybe we’ll catch up down the road. Go Hawks.
Ebony- sorry to hear that…
maybe I will see/write u again at HF Boards
take care– the wall
Wildman you are right about bleacher…it’s like reading a local newspaper article but with always the same journalist , Tab write 2-3 times per day, not really interesting to follow without having discussions with other guy’s
I read less and less because the good vibe is gone .
Not easy to find a good place to exchange tought.
Nothing is forever
Sad but I will survive ;)
Hawks2010 – You summed it very nicely in regards to not being interesting without having discussions with other folks on an article/opinion someone wrote. I think it is great thing to just discuss and share opinions openly and see folks different perspectives. Us all being Blackhawk fans should always be a fun experience talking about the team and not get into fights over differences of opinions. There is a heck of a lot more going on right now that doesn’t pertain to a sports team.
I have checked out the HF Boards but that doesn’t work for me. WAY to many ads trying to get our clicks by accident.
To Ebony: Sorry to hear you had a personal tragedy. I truly hope the best for you and getting through it.
Perhaps I will get around to creating a forum/blog that is Blackhawks only so as to just have a fun place to post opinions/comments and make it a place to get together as fans. I have created a few many years ago for gaming stuff.
Best to all. It will be interesting to see how our team moves forwards this summer.
I agree w/ Both of last 2 comments
As a frequent poster- who loves to share his opinions… this was a great place. Will not read the News articles that are on Bleacher -usually.
I always viewed this space- akin to being on that Old Sports reporters show w the OLD guys smoking cigars and bickering… enjoyed it here…
Despite being Banned several times by Tab– I guess Tab was ahead of the times “Cancelling me” for my strong opinions… even though many of my opinions turned out to be right.
I agree HF is annoying w ads… I rarely post there bcuz of that… but do read it- u get some really good insight to other Junior players around the world.
My oldest over argued opinion ( got me banned/ along w Toews/Seabrook– something is wrong w/ both)– was that Team in front of Goalie– is more important than goalie.
Avs are a perfect example of this now– very average Goalie– BUT Hell of a team skating there!!!
They r gonna miss Khadri – if he can’t play in SC
Luke Richardson from the Habs ( Montreal ) will be meeting with the Hawks soon for coaching the new Hawks .
Plenty to choose from in the coaching ranks. If you are looking into assistant coaches there is no need to keep King in consideration. Thinking Banshell as the pick. Maybe a former 1st round pick would want to repay the organIzation that picked him in Cassidy
Thanks for the thoughts and well wishes.
I wonder how long Tab is going to leave this forum up?
It seems to me the new coach profile should be based on a coach good in young player development but also well schooled in sound structural team play. Whereas Colliton was supposedly good with young players, it seems his approach to structured team play was more of a square peg – round hole result in that it may have been sound strategy but it was not suited for the team he had.
This new coach needs to be the coach that takes the chaos of a team starting a rebuild and organizes the basics – going from point-A to point-B at which time it may be necessary to bring in a different coach with a different profile to take the team from point-B to point-C, as is the case many times in team sport rebuilding processes.
According to a few journalists in Quebec . the the Hawks will move DCat to Ottawa . That could be a great news iff they can get their price . I love DCat but he his already 24
And WHY would Ottawa want him? Is Bowman GM of Ottawa now??
Hawks2010– not doubting you… just saying… that’s almost as dumb as Bowman getting $Jones for 1st rd. pick
makes no sense… But great deal for Hawks- assuming they get several high picks!
Nobody actually with the Senators has said this about a trade for Debrincat. Some fan proposed Sanderson for D-Cat and people have commented on it-just a rumour like happens on this board many times.
2010, already 24 is fine. Add five years and a 29 year old veteran leader is great. ’27-’28 being the year of a Hawks Cup is good for me. In previous post I predicted ’23-“24 or ’24-’25 as the contending years.
Just checked
Stamkos 32
Landeskog 29
Roman
You are right that 24 is young and I love DCat since the day they draft him .
I think Hawks have a good opportunity to draft a top prospect iff Devils make the move to get DCat . Rumours that they are very interested ( and I understand)
In one month we will have more answer .
Nobody knows future so let’s hope we can have a real team to work and find the good players ..I believe that Greenberg can help with his way off seeing things .
2010
Drafting prospects is a priority. We have a legitimate goal scorer at the age of 24. Will the prospect turn out the same way? The Hagel move got us better prospects. Think we can get prospects with other moves. Now if it’s a lopsided move we must take it. Their 1 this year and their 1 next year and the other Foote (pun intended) will get me thinking.
Hawks will NOT be competitive for 3-4 years– BEST case if they are able to trade Dcat + make good picks w/ the return for Dcat. Keeping Dcat and “rebuilding” will take closer to 5-7 years (best case)
WTS- I think Dcat- will age/season more in line with Martin St Louis versus say Toews…
I think Dcat- will be a very effective scorer as was St Louis at older age… just smart/elite shot/ Hockey IQ
BUT- Hawks will be better off “gambling on picks/rebuild” trade for Dcat– bcuz they have so little in the system now ( aside from some length/size on the D side of prospects)
I’ve changed in my thinking about D-Cat, not the path they took in the last few years-it was irresponsible to get Jones and hope for a playoff miracle (Bowman’s parting gift), but I was hoping to keep Debrincat but agree that IF they can get something that will help in 4 or 5 years it is worth the possibility.
Some team will love his dedication, grit and natural born ability to shoot. (and a undervalued ability to make others better.) He does need to be with a talented/patient puck mover.
I would like to see him on a team with a chance to win the Cup in his prime.
Here’s hoping Davidson has tunnel vision, in the right direction. Love the direction of Buffalo, Ottawa and New Jersey.
Is/are Buffalo and Ottawa ahead of us and if so are they ready to add? Pretty sure everyone will and yes to the first question. I would like to trade DCat (if he’s traded) to someone moving up than trade him at tdl to a contending team. Must be for two #1 draft picks. One must be in the ’23 draft.
Ottawa two #1s and Boucher
Buffalo two #1s and Quinn
Said NJ’s already.
I am on the trade DCat train. I love the player – he’s everything you want in a player minus size and even there he plays bigger than he is. BUT, I love the Hawks more than any one player so for the good of the team, long range, I’m in favor of trading him providing the return is justified.
I’m also in favor of trading Kane, if he allows it. I’m in favor of retaining 50% too – Kane at $5.25M, even for only 1 year, should return great value. He could be the finishing piece for a contending team, and maybe he would waive to go to a contender.
I’m not in favor of trading Dach because, unlike DCat who is at a high point in value, Dach is not and it would be selling when value is low rather than high. Plus he is still young enough where it is more probable than improbable he will continue to get closer to realizing his potential.
Changing gears – I’m really looking forward to the SCF. Hopefully it is everything it could be and goes 6 or 7 games. I really don’t care which team wins but I’m excited to see it play out. I suppose if I had to pick the winner – I would give TB a slight edge because Vasy is a difference maker.
ER- On SCF- the
experience goes to TB… the team speed goes to AVs
I hope the Hawks are smart enough to “pluck” scouts/coaches/and Front office persons from the Bolts
TB- has done an incredible job of finding talent from all stages of the draft… and Developing the talents
Yzerman was a big part… but please steal some of TB scouting/and analytics guys
Could you imagine the Hawks going up against either team in the final? Scary thought.
Almost seems like old times on C.I. site-too bad.
Raptor
Agree that Kane would be a good trade for Hawks to get a few good pieces for the future .plus Kane could get a opportunity to reach another final
Win win situation and without Kane the Hawks would be in a good position to get a top 3 pick next year.
Jordan Dumais ….. hope the Hawks will land him in the second round ( a kind off DCat in size ) just turn 18 5 weeks ago . Had 39 goals. And 109 pts this year with the Halifax mooseheads . Can be a steal on the second round . Listed at around pick 75. Small players but very promising and because he is just 165 pounds he might be available at pick 81.
I still think Hawks will get a few more Picks with trade before this Draft.
Helluva Game-1. I’m still giving TB a slight edge – superior defense over superior offense.
Hawks2010– excellent find– Jordan Dumais…. Based on my readings– NO WAY the kid doesn’t get picked in 1st rd or early 2nd…. Kid seems to have some real SKILZ
Bluto
Hopefully Hawks will find a way to get the kid .
Go Avalanche Go . Don’t like the lighting because last year cheating legally.But still love Hagel .
i think kane would rather have the hawks scoring records than another stanley cup.
kane. dcat, s. jones, murphy, toews ….. move them all for picks and prospects. the hawks are light years from the stanley cup semi finals losers much less tampa and colorado. by the time this team is ready to challenge for a cup kane, murphy, and toews will be done and dcat and s. jones will see their best years in the rear view mirror. completely blow it up.
HAWKS29……..TOTALLY AGREE.
WOW. 7-0! Man it’s fun to watch the Avs play. Course, TB was down 2-0 to the Rangers too, before winning 4 straight … so it ain’t over. On the other hand, the Rangers aren’t the Avs, so …
am i the only one who finds “bleacher nation” totally unsatisfying? i loved “committedindians.com.” does anyone know of a similar site where hawks fans can communicate with each other as we have on “committedindians.com?”
I don’t see a comment section at Bleacher Report – it’s just a “report” – not a forum. It’s kind of like reading the sports section in an old newspaper. No interaction – just the author’s opinion.
Hawks29– HF Boards- offer banter
Plus- seems like a lot of Euro’s there- so great for Euro scouting/ Canada scouting too
Minus- ads – and website seems to annoy me sometimes
But – really does have some “good scouting/opinions for Canada and Euro
Ebony- AVs are NOT going to be anything like NY– AVs are skating circles around Bolts– NO CHANCE for Cooper to make adjustments that will matter
Cale Makar– Is the closest D man/skater to Bobby ORR!!!! KId is a Beast-
I would to see 2022 AVS versus 2010 Hawks– I think Hawks would win… would be a HELL of a Match-up
bluto
how amazing it would have been to watch that 2010 team mature had they been able to keep them together. they were awfully damn good especially for how young and inexperienced some of those kids were.
good game Avs deserved the win. Tampa had 7 guys on the ice when they are crying about Avs’ 6
Cale Makar– SPECIAL!!!!!
McDavid- makes people look like they are standing still… But at least shows effort when blowing by people
Makar- makes em look like they are going backwards with little effort… reminds me of Hossa just effortless acceleration
Go Avalanche Go
Hope they finish the série at home with their fans.
But it’s not over yet.
2 blowouts and 2 overtime games – kinda crazy, but very enjoyable games to watch. I’m glad Kuemper came back strong because it would have been a shame to see the Avs go down because their goalie was bad – better to see the battle between superior team offense versus superior team defense than have a goalie poop the bed and ruin the contest.
It was interesting to see Kadri interviewed after the game. My opinion of him as a person was not very good due to his dirty plays, but he impressed me with the interview showing he was a contemplative, well spoken and humble. Still hate the dirty plays but like him better as a person – for whatever that’s worth.
When the series started I didn’t really have a favorite – I was just hoping for a good series to go 6 or 7 games. I’m now hoping for the Avs to win tomorrow and kill the beast so it doesn’t give the Bolts a chance to steal the series from the better team just because they have one of the best goalies of all time. Not sure if that’s rational – but there it is.
The Bolts look Slow compared to the Av’s..
Hungry team gunna win.. Plain & Simple…
Sit back and play D… you gunna Lose !
We need 10,000 empty seats here, every game, to get the Hawks to getr done ASAP…
Make some noise, get rid of the Coach, deHaan, McCabe, Toews, Goalies, Kubilik, & tell Dach , he is “on the clock”….
Zarkoff- agree with you on last statement… I will include get rid of Dcat and Kane (if he wants out)…
Murphy too
Cat and Kane are still fine /good players- but really need help w complete rebuild- sooner than later.
Lastly- need better EYES- to scout talent and Coaching to – construct systems/styles that actually work.
seems like the Euro scouting has been good… the USA side – little less good
Luke Richardson is the next coach for the Hawks .
MartinStLouis is very disappointed to lose him according to some journalists in Montreal .
Now we need to wait for confirmation from the Hawks
Probably during the week end .
Bye bye Tampa .
Glad to see Avalanche with the Cup .
impressed with the avalanche defenseman. s. jones would slot in nicely as their fourth
d-man. regrettably, for big money and a long term, he is our number one. thanks stan. and for dach over byram as well. all byram did was average 23+ minutes in the finals against the two time defending champions. +15 in 20 playoff games this year as well.
Happy to see the Avs win. It was an entertaining series. Now let the offseason officially begin.
Hope we can continue to post here for a few more weeks .
wondering how the sedin brothers are in the hall of fame and steve larmer is not. larmer averaged better than a point a game. neither one of them did. larmer had a better +/- stat than both of them in 300 less games playede. how is it that the nhl and the hawks management both ignore honoring one of the best two way professional hockey players of all time?
how is it that the sedin brothers are now in the hall of fame and steve larmer is not? larmer averaged better than a point a game. they did not. larmer had a significantly better +/- stat than both of them in 300 less games played. why does the nhl and blackhawks management refuse to honor steve larmer as one of the best two way hockey players of all time?
I remember when “the Steve’s” – Ludzig and Larmer – were drafted, the Ludzig was the more highly thought of, probably because he was a better skater than Larmer. Everyone was excited that Montreal skipped taking native son Savard and we were able to get him after Winnipeg took Babbych. Ludzig and Larmer were almost afterthoughts and when they both broke into the league they were kind of tied in terms of expectations although neither of them had star player written on them. Then steady Eddie Larmer just kept bringing it season after season. The Savard-Larmer-Secord line was arguably the best line the Hawks ever had, at least for a couple season.
And yes, it is a shame Larms hasn’t gotten the recognition and accolades he earned.
L’armer was not consider even when he was playing in the league and now it continues. He should be in all of fame …BIG TIME .
yup
Now lets see what KD does with shedding some contracts of useless players (going forward) & who he drafts… Lets get a Goalie asap !!!
I think Kane, Toews and Cat should all be traded, with 50% salary retention for Kane and Toews to maximize the return. They have only 1 year left on their contract to it would $10.5M in dead cap space for 2022/23 – $5.25M for each. Kane costing only $5.25M for the team that gets him is a heckuva bargain so they should pony up a nice return to the Hawks. Not sure what Toews can fetch at $5.25M for one season but it will free up cap room for the Hawks to take on bad contracts from other teams to acquire more picks/prospects. Cat should return at least 2 or 3 picks or high level prospects.
I would trade Seth Jones too but I doubt that likely with his contract at $9.5×8 – because I would not want to retain salary on him for 8 years.
Trade other guys too if it improves the prospect pipeline – Murphy, McCabe, Strome, Kubalik.
The goal is a long term rebuild through the draft, either with our own picks, picks acquired in trades, or prospects picked by other teams in the last few years.
If the Hawks get (2) 1st round picks for Cat (2022/2023) and (1) 1st round pick for Kane (2022) – they will have (2) 1st round picks in 2022, 3 in 2023 (the Hawks pick, TB’s pick, and the pick acquired in the Cat trade), and (2) 1st round picks in 2024 (the Hawks pick and TB’s pick). That’s (7) 1st round picks in the next three drafts. Plus – other picks/prospects acquired in trades.
That’s a good start to the rebuild. Along with all that comes the certainty the Hawks will be terrible over the next 3-5 years, which will suck but it will help the rebuild by ensuring them top of the 1st round draft position.
Billy R- Hawks have several Prospects at Goal… I wouldn’t worry about that position- til I sorted out the skaters in front of net
as i argued here for years– Great skaters/systems- can make a decent Goalie- win a Cup
see- Avs 2022- Kuemper- average
Hawks 2010- Niemmi- average
and many more
Vaselaski- GREAT– 2022– just lost
Bluto, I agree regarding the need for acquiring THE goalie for the REBUILT team at this time. Goalies, in general are somewhat inconsistent, if not entirely mercurial, and unless they are one of the truly exceptional ones, they are not going to raise an average team to great or even a bad team to average – at least not on a long term basis, i.e. a season long campaign.
While I don’t think a tank job should, or in most cases could, be orchestrated, I do think it could be profitable from a rebuild perspective to not try to avoid tanking by making moves that may win a few more games but at the same time not help the rebuild. Such as acquiring a goalie who may win a few “goalie wins” that otherwise would have not been won by the team which would be meaningless in the big picture and have a negative draft position effect.
I’m all for drafting and developing goalies who may end up being the goalie we need when the timing is right but the timing won’t be right for probably 5 years or more. In the meantime, let journeymen goalies do the job as best they can and let the chips fall and the rebuild progresses.
Toews, gus,McCabe, & deHaan need to go ASAP !!!!!!!
I’m not going to argue the picks for the HOF class (Mogilny also deserves to be in), but the out-dated committee that picks them with no accountability is weird and more than a bit embarrassing.
Yep as Cousin Eddie says, Jones (who is a really good player) will be the gift that keeps on giving. Just not to the real/sustained progress of the Hawks. Thanks Stan.
While I admit plans rarely go according to plan, especially when human variables and vagaries are ingredients. But, having plans are not a waste of time, in fact they are most often essential for success so long as they can be adjusted when required.
So, my plan would be to acquire as many high draft picks and prospects as possible leveraging every asset possible over the next 3 drafts. Concentrate on high end forwards unless a stud defender or goalie falls in their lap. Let those forwards develop their game in college or lower leagues for a minimum of 2 seasons and probably in most cases 3 seasons. Slowly develop the future d-corps in the NHL to get them the requisite games of experience so they are hitting their stride when the young forwards start to matriculate to the NHL. Worry about finding THE goalie about the time the young forwards start to come online (unless one of the goalies in the system develops to the point you can’t keep him down on the farm – else go get a goalie in the free agent market).
This plan should keep the Hawks bad enough to continue drafting in the top-10, if not the top-5 over the next 3-4 seasons which should provide them with enough opportunities to stock their prospect pool with enough talent to complete the rebuild in 5-6 years where the team initially becomes good enough to be a playoff team and then a contender a year or two after that.
ebony… true stuff there… agree.
Stanley put us back So far as an organization… We have mr.Beach to thank…. As bad as what happened, if not for that happening , STANLEY would STILL BE HERE !!!!
We went thru some bad times already over the LAST 7 years, & now 5-7 MORE years…. lol
Hopefully all your Golf Games are getting in shape as the weather is PARfect !
Coach Reay Gus and deHaan are gone. We have no ties to them.
We do not need a goalie now. Buffalo had Lehner when they were losing a lot. He goes to NYI and is a Viezna finalist. (I did want him from Buf and someone said he sucks) One of our goalies can become great or we goe out and get one.
Rather have bodies than picks. Only picks I want are 2023 1st rounders to get Bedard (Savard 2.0)
Think our young D will develop and develop well.
Can’t wait til draft
Russian Kid in 2023- gonna be a player too… assuming Russia/issues are over
Michkov– Kucherov type stud
When Hawks let deHaan & gus Walk for Free..l shows that KD aint that bright… Can’t argue with stupidity… rather than take a LOW DRAFT pick, lets get NO draft pick…pffffff.
Both deHaan and Gus were UFA which means it was free agency that enabled them to walk away without compensation for the Hawks. I don’t think it surprising in the least that neither player was valued by a playoff contender at the TDL to garner a draft pick for the Hawks, nor would a team trade the Hawks a draft pick for the opportunity to negotiate a new contract with them before the free agency period start – which is when they can negotiate with them without having to compensate the Hawks.
Neither player is highly sought after and consequently no team would be clamoring to sign them at the cost of a draft pick.
Same could be said about FLUERY… Free agency upon him now… but minny traded for him….
Gus and deHaan aren’t in the same category as MAF, who has the pedigree of a Stanley Cup winning goalie.
Draft week- so finally some excitement for Hawks fans
Looking bac at that SB- trade for $Jones… OUCH- that was really bad- Not that Jones isn’t good
But – really Carp trade when u consider where the Hawks are-really
We gave up Cole Sillinger, #6 2022. #43 2021, Boqvist, for the Huge $$$/term Contract of a player who will be either worthless or gone by the time the Hawks are good again.
OUCH!!!
Bluto – many of us had that same feeling when the trade was made. It wasn’t the player we didn’t like. It was the cost and / or term. Personally, I tried to understand that Bowman was looking to get back into the playoffs when combined with the Fleury and then subsequent moves. I felt that Fleury was the driving force and likely would not have come to Chicago without Bowman making a play for a more competitive team. Bowman went all-in on the playoffs and likely would have been fired at year end if not earlier as he was.
The Hawks got a 2nd round pick from the Wild on the flip, which was a good thing. But the stench of that trade will require a nose clip for a while. Good luck to JD in finding a way to undo the Jones issue – if he even can.
I’m ready to see the player movement begin. I think Dcat goes right at the 1st round selection process, or a couple of hours before. Top 7 pick would be nice. Someone will pay the price. Then Toews and Kane can ask out – hopefully.
Guys does bleacher nation place have blog? I looked didn’t see anything to post like here.
See you guys posting here so are we going to post here on this thread for next 5 yrs.
Trade everyone except Jones dach Reichel basically. I would like 19 88 at trade lines and come back as ufa for one yr contracts and do that for three yrs adding 15-25th picks times 2 each yr. Get a kings ransom for 12 and anything decent for anyone else.
We want to stack a group of good young players within age range of each other. A wave. Suck for a few yrs like COL did after they got already had elite fws and then got their defensemen. Same thing same way. Then we’re ready and by then COL will be spent like TAM is now.
Reload young wave!
Let’s go now. Get out there and stick em!
I am ready to buy easports nhl25 for when we’re stacked with lots of elite and very good young players.
What’s done is done from before. Let’s look ahead.
We are going to suck standings wise with reload and that’s exactly what we want. It’s the only way to add enough top 5 draft skill elite players at once/few drafts. Top 5 or bottom 5.
So pumped for the drafts 22 23 24 25. Then it’s on.
Every team that has won Stanley cup sucked for yrs before.
Bleacher Nations Rots…lol
Let’s go Blackhawks !!!!
LETS GOOOOOOO !
ER, jist saw that post trying to read back since I haven’t been here since tab went to other place. I had something similar happen to me/us a yr ago on April and I didn’t really post or come here or watch much this yr and other things. I still not the same and you just get used to it. It won’t make it better/time just that you get used to it. I know how you feel.
For me it’s a better time then this past yr/since then to see what’s going on. Do one thing at a time since then.
For the Blackhawks want to do what’s best for reload/loading young wave and that’s trade everything for very good returns/we have the advantage leverage in these trades now. Like the bagel trade.
Come back and post again even if it’s a yr or later.
Just now reading your guys post on how bleacher does not have posting. Thought we could just go there and post like here with whoever was already there.
Anyone think of us having a blog that we can start and maybe not have a main writer. Just have a blog where we can post at. Maybe have the box score or something generic for the thread.
Or
Maybe have a blog like bwi.forums.rivals.com on that blog everyone of us can start a thread where there are lots of threads going on at same time and we can post on any of them. You can see where most of the comments are by looking at which thread has more comments.
We should do this if tabs ok with it and there a place like bwi rivals to do it/make a open blog.
What about these
Hockey writers.com
Sportsmockery.com
Any others that have free sign up and comments section?
How about Blackhawksup.com?
its actually http://www.Blackhawkup.com
nevermind about that site….
Hey Mo, sorry to hear about your situation. It was 8 months ago and for a long time I didn’t interest in things that used to interest me – including the Hawks. But life goes on and even though I didn’t really want it to go on, I have kids and grandkids and you have to do the right thing. And as time goes you have to do something with your time and as an old retired geezer I have a lot of time on my hands – so I’ve started paying attention to the Hawks and Hockey again.
Yea I was in same boat. Did good this winter ski racing and that got me going better. Just saw recently the coach thing and the trades to get is to load young wave we have been talking about for couple yrs now/what it takes to win again suck and then have top 5 picks.
So seeing that got me here and went to bleacher and didn’t see where to post then read back on this thread and saw people here say same thing.
We need to find a place to blog/everyone here or post on this thread for next 10 yrs.
Stick with it and donot worry about small potatoes I just had to say f it everytime I made mistakes forgot things and there were lots.
73 years old, retired, much time on my hands. hawks suck, but they are what i have in addition to the bears and the men’s national soccer team. can’t watch baseball or basketball anymore.
i love this site and i hope someone will create something similar and get the word out to the committedindians participants.
i would do it, but i am technologically illiterate.
there is the issue of will i live long enough to see the usa men win a world cup or the hawks and bears become relevant.
good luck to hawks fans in the next couple of days. hopefully davidson will do well by us.
if it doesn’t come to pass that we find a new forum to communicate about the hawks thanks to everyone for the fun it has been.
What if we make one and call it, “ CommittedIndian.com” ?
I don’t know how to make a forum although I would love it if someone else made one we can use going forward. I don’t really need “articles” like what Tab would do – just an open “free for all things Hawks” forum.
Until we get a blog to go to this thread needs to stay open.
Who ever can make it make sure there a username locked in with the email as the password so no one can use your username and post bogus stuff.
We, if you scroll back to one of my posts I had that a forum that there doesn’t have to be a main writer. Everyone can start a thread and there would be 5 threads going on each day who cares and we can post on any of them.
Each thread starter lost its title and in first post is the article or question or what it’s about. Like here we can talk about anything Blackhawks in each thread donot worry about having to be title related.
Like the bwi.rivials.com for penn state wrestling or the wrangler.forum.com for Jeep’s. Those forums work good.
Wouldn’t want a mthly fee but be ok if we threw in for a start up cost for site or something.
I made a blog page but it aint ready for me to release it…
Someone goes to it as it is now, will never be back!
Lmfao…
Gunna take a little time to iron it out…
First timer here… Not a pro…
Lets go HAWKS !!!!!
Who’s with us.
Haven’t looked at draft stuff/prospects yet see there is a guy called bedard next draft would it make more sense to trade 12 for 23 draft top 5 pick instead of a 22 top 5 pick that would give us two top five lottery for 1st pick instead of one.
Looks like the 12 trade will prob be early mid day on Thursday if it’s for a 22 top 5 10 pick and elite prospect.
Good luck Billy, hopefully you get things ironed out and up and running before Tab shuts this one down. We’re already on borrowed time here and it’s good of Tab to leave it up. Hopefully it will remain open for a while longer so there can be overlap where people come here and learn about the new site before this one goes away.
Here we are again down to the 11th hour waiting for news on a potential trade. We’ve been here a few times waiting on a pre-draft trade with all knid of wild speculation burning up the hockey message boards , and most of the time it’s been less than than hoped for, if not utterly disappointing.
Granted during the Cup run years there was a different modus operandi at work where the goal was to patch a winning ship rather than what it is now which is to spend the next few years in drydock and build a new ship.
But still the heart strings are pulled, even though we know more times than not we end up being disappointed when the dust settles and we watch other fanbases celebrating their team landed so-and-so. I hate to rely on my memory, but the last time I remember being excited after the dust settled was when the Hawks signed Hossa in the summer of 2009 – and that was free agency – not pre-draft.
Hopefully KD doesn’t do his version of SB and actually gets a deal done that presses the rebuild forward. in a significant way.
Good podcast with that tv guy Blackhawk have had for yrs on the post game show. Talks about a 70/30 % 12 gets traded before/at draft. Those guys talk about what’s acceptable for our return and it makes sense.
Most important is the elite top prospect and high 1st round pick and not the later 1st pick. Do it becaus tradeline return won’t be as good.
One thing is with 12 and hagel and some others were 10 games better record wise without those players were 10 games worse and top 3 pick three yrs in a row. That’s how you get t group of elites gathered.
Then when we have that young core again elite ideas like Hossa will come again. That’s the way.
See a trade with nj blockbuster with more then just 12.
Hi everyone. I think we all want a new place to post and share opinions and just have fun talking about the Blackhawks and not getting the same old forum format and the random posting threads to read. I do like Tabs previous blog format than this one but either way when he had time to post a new blog thread that was created as the season went on folks would post on the newest one. Creating a “Forum” is so old school. Heck I remember that 20+ years ago when it was cool in playing on line games when you had a squad/guild ect forum…. and people in your group would post outside the game.
I’ll chat with my girlfriend to see if she has time to set one up for us in the right way to make it streamline and fun interactive. She owns her own business doing the marketing for online people and very technical back end programming internet things for her clients. She is a huge Hawks fan so perhaps she can agree to do it or have one of her folks who work for her to set something up. IF she is willing to do it, I would want to have not one person who is willing to recap games like Tab does but perhaps find a couple of volunteers to be admins to take turns recapping games and reporting/commenting news announcements to keep it interesting the authors thoughts and reviews. Just a thought for now if those here think that is something folks would follow and participate in.
Sounds good wildmanht. It doesn’t have to be anything fancy for me – just a place to vent/express my Hawks views and read others doing the same.
Would take a #1 (probably 23 non protected) and two of Bratt, Foote or Stillman.
Is adding Strome a blockbuster? Then add Woods or Blackwood.
Keep me/us informed Wildmanht
Thanks
Wildman, that’s cool and especially because she’s a Blackhawk make it meaningful. I to like the blog where there’s numerous threads going on at once and they are in most recent by date order wise like that bwi.rivals.com and wranglerforum.com also avsforum.
People there anyone can start a thread which then has that many starter writers.
Be nice if can put pic on there.
Mean a lot to everyone here if it works good/have one.
What would you name the site we could prob come of some ideas here from people here.
Wildmanht- that would be cool… I would love to give recaps on occasion as well as my strong Opinions and be open to criticism…. And NOT be cancelled- as Tab cancelled me for over a year- due to my Crying on “Something is wrong with Seabrook and Toews” — which ironically – there clearly was- as we were later to find out… and the “goalie/ isn’t as Important” as the skater in front of him.
So that would be really cool to rotate– “writer’s here”- and really get into some debates/ and different opinions.
Who misses this site, besides me?
If anyone is still reading, I would only trade DeBrincat to NJ and only if they include the 2nd overall, and two out of these three…Mercer, Sharangovich, or Foote. Otherwise, it’s not a win, and we need trade wins!
Also, I am torn about rumors of trading Seth Jones. I think he is the best defense-man that we’ve had around here for a long time, but being 27 and $9M+ for the next 7 years is a tough contract to swallow for a rebuild. I would not eat any of his salary! If someone wants him, pony up with a high #1 and 2 high end prospects.
If we trade both DeBrincat and Seth Jones, we might as well trade Kane to the NYR and Toews to the Bruins. Just throwing it out there.
In the end, we will do something minor. Phone sex – all talk no action!
Going to get my daughter’ girlfriend here walk me thru on how to set up a blog page… This us all new to me as well.
Wildman, keep us posted…
Thanks…
Way to go Coach Reay! I knew I hired you for the right reasons! You and Wildman Jerry Korab here can keep this blog of friends alive, and no one cancels my main man, Bluto!!
lmao !!!!
Hopefully Hawks won’t trade DCat but get a few trade to get higher pick
Tommy Ivan
$ Jones ..8 more years contract.
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I think Kubalik, Kurashev, will be trade
Would not be surprise to see Toews and Kane ask to get there no trade contract reopen at the trade dead line.
7 hrs from now the draft start.
As a rule I’m a believer in quality over quantity, but there are exceptions to that rule. Trading a player with the qualifications of DCat is the exception … kind of. While DCat is the quality and the return is the quantity, it’s not that black and white. The gamble is that one or two of the assets coming back to the Hawks develops into a player the quality of DCat or pretty darn close, with the other asset(s) being at least serviceable for the rebuild.
It’s a gamble and the old axiom “one in the hand is worth two in the bush” jumps to mind to argue DCat should not be traded. The argument would cite his age of only 24 to be young enough to still be playing at a high level when the rebuild is complete – but there’s a potential catch-22: would the rebuild be complete before DCat is in his 30’s with the jumpstart of trading DCat? There is potential for a ripple effect by trading him in that perhaps Kane decides to be traded rather than languish on the moribund Hawks with no DCat to feed pucks to. The prospect of retaining 50% on Kane brings the asking price up to something that could be significant.
Or, nothing of significance gets done and a giant pin pops our balloon and leaves us with the familiar feeling of fading further into insignificance.
Looks like Colorado solved their goaltending situation. Georgiev for three picks. Wouldn’t have mind him in an Indianhead jersey.
Dcat to Ottawa. 7th pick, 39th and apparently more.
Looks like Ottawa 2024 3rd rounder also.
Thought they might try to get one of Ottawa’s young D
I didn’t believe the Hawks were going to get some of the wild speculation like (2) 1st’s, a 2nd and a high prospect … but I have to say I’m underwhelmed if the report is accurate that it is only the 7thOA and a 2nd rounder. And I’m not surprised, especially considering DCat has only 1 more year at the very reasonable cap hit of $6.4M and than an RFA year with a QO of $9M.
I take solace in the hope that the departure of DCat gives Kane (and to a lesser degree Toews) incentive to request a trade because even just a 1-year rental of Kane at $5.25M (50% retained) should bring back a 1st rounder and maybe even more considering it may not be a high 1st round pick.
I wanted a body also but it is what it is. Keep Kane. If Win trades Wheeler (rumored) then Toews to Win at $5.25m and TB’s #1in ’24 for Win’s #1 in ’23.
Underwhelming??? Maybe that is the best he could get. I guess the #2 overall and all of those prospects from NJ was a pipe dream. Now, we have to hit on at least two studs! He may also trade up with all those 2nd’s and 3rd’s to get another 1st rounder.
Based on what I have seen on youtube, read, and disseminated. The three guys that I think we will look to draft at #7 are D-Kevin Korchinski, C-Cutter Gauthier, and the late riser C-Conor Geekie…let’s see how I do. I know that I wanted Byram over the field and now I want Korchinski as his scouting report and game tape is impeccable.
One of the draft’s biggest risers over the course of the year, Korchinski is a terrific puck mover and powerplay quarterback. There are some concerns over his decision making and defensive play, but his improvement over the course of the season was encouraging. Plus, it is rare to get a high-end puck mover with his size and athleticism.
I suppose one positive way to look at this trade is that the rebuild has officially begun – not in mere words and tinkering around the edges like it’s been the last few years – but in actually kicking over the applecart requiring actions to rebuild. Well, regardless of the return for DCat, it has demarked the start of a new era and I applaud that and say it’s about time.
Coach Ivan I believe in the young D that we have now a star will arise. Gauthier or Geekie would be my choice. If we can pin point who is in line to take Geekie maybe send #38 & #39 to them for Geekie. This can also be done if he is taken by surprise earlier than anticipated.
I would prefer to use 38 or 39 to get us #5 if one of the top 2
dmen are there.
not the optimal deal we hoped for, but not bad. any pick in the nhl draft is a crap shoot. guessing davidson and company were thorough in their discussions and this was the best offer on the table. would have felt a whole lot better with a number one this year and next. if de brincat was on a three/four year deal likely a more bountiful return.
now is the time to move kane and toews. retain half of each of their salaries and take what they can get. if a jones deal is out there move him as well.
I posted morning or mid day to make it happen. Rather have nj 2nd and top prospect really though the 5th or 7th isint bad if not getting the 2nd and this draft from what I hear is not deep top 3/5/10 quality wise as the 23 draft will be.
So it should be better having a top 3 pick of our own for the 23 draft then the 2nd for this draft.
I think key was best return would be the 2nd 5th or 7th and that high end top prospect who really cares about a 25-30 pick. We got two of those for hagel and seem to get those with one yr goalies/other rather easily.
Still with this draft not quality deep up front in top 10 whatever we got is better then what we would get at tradeline and I think that’s was part of it.
Trade those others players you mentioned it’s all about the rebuild and that gathering a group of elites from draft.
I agree Jones is a top pair legit #1 but like 12 he the wrong age for the new revamped rebuild we’re doing so trade Jones and get more top 10 picks and a high end elite prospect so we can add to that young core we’re going for.
That’s why it’s all about now.
19 88 tradeline trades retain and get more back. They can come back on one yr contracts when we’re good again. No rangers bruins those teams do not deserve the generational dynasty players of this 20 yr of nhl.
Teams like CAR deserve 88 and 19 have both go there. Let’s help CAR Teuvo is there and they have good defensemen.
Good to be here chatter with you guys again. This is the beginning of the end and then we’re on our way to a stacked roster of elites from next three drafts.
For you guys making new blog thank you and it’s ok to have more then one maybe one doesn’t work or something two eggs better then one.
I would be happier with the top 10 pick and a very good prospect like you said defensemen. Ohh well it’s now or never.
Forget the reload this is a rebuild and that takes longer and ends in better long term results.
CAR WIN deserve 19 88 more then teams that already won in 94 when we didn’t with befour Roenick. BOS got there one hit wonder already and that was beauty because it was VAN!
Wouldn’t it be better to trade 88 at tradeline to BUF so it’s a 23 draft pick hear that draft has better players. BUF pick is going to be top 10 to.
For the record I do want to see 19 88 back here when we’re deep again before they are 40.
Just checking if Craig is out there and knows any in sight at who they are looking at drafting or any other moves. Hello Craig.
I am going to look at every trade we make as a combined trade/of one and worry about each trade as a win or loss because that’s what we are doing. TB 23 and 24 prob better then 22 draft and they will get worse and not do as good in playoffs anymore since they are dropping good players with cap. So think 20-25 pick not 30th pick and better draft per say.
Hagel Debrincat
7th/22, 39th/22, 25th/23, 20th/24
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I would go with trading any pick in 3 4 5 6 7 rounds to move up for 1sts or 2nds. Meaning I want as many 1sts and 2nds in next three drafts as possible because most nhl players come from those rounds way more then the other rounds.
Would love to see teuvo come back when we’re deep again when he’s ufa.
Dach for 13th? Not sure that’s good enough. What happened to 77.
Would have been happy with one of those Dman.
Ok I like this gm said we wanted this defensemen not the other one.
WOWZER!
Korshinski! This is a make up pick for not taking Byrum! I guess we know who Davidson wanted and who Bowman took! Nice pick! It will take some time to get to respectability!
Hagel debrincat dach
7th 13th 39th 25th 20th
Next three drafts
3 1 1
Still want more for young wave elite core
Let’s get fast food skating players with size just like the defensemen we got.
Man didn’t feel good when we didn’t get one of those first two dman. Then we get that other dman and it was good feel better and the 7th ranked player at 13th is nice steal. Reminds me of teuvo steal.
Now when can we get some jerseys with normal colors because those addiass jerseys were bad luck.
What yr and brand is going to get the hockey jerseys back to where they belong.
This is a thin draft as far as talent goes…
WHY Aint KD trading our BEST PLAYERS for draft pix in Next years Draft ?
Anyone else here feel the same way?
Don’t have a 1st round pick this year-
So What… Load up in Next years draft… lol
we gunna need to know if wildman is gunna make a blog page or not.
Don’t wanna make one here and have 2 different pages… lol
KD plan maybe to tank this yr , to get number 1 next yr and Bedard. This yr version of the hawks appears to be very bad . Thus first overall . Bedard will be a generational talent. Good talent to build around
Everyone knows next year is prime draft. Takes 2 to trade. Agree – not exactly startlingly good trades, but he’s filling the pipe line that hasn’t been fed in years. This is the start. Kane gets us something in the first next year. Maybe Toews too.
Agree about Toronto trade being a kiss to make up with them. My son pointed that out to me.
Not many tradeable assets left…
See what tomorrow brings.
These are all long range prospects, as expected. Maybe 1 or 2 surprises and gets a cup of coffee earlier than expected but this is all about building for 5+ years from now. Korchinski was a big riser up the rankings so that sounds good. Nazar is skill and speed which is just what the rebuild is supposed to be emphasizing. I have no idea on Rinzel except he has size. I think all 3 players are committed to go to college which should be a good long term development plan for them.
Well … can’t say this day was boring, and with all the 2nd/3rd round picks tomorrow plus the prospect of Kane and possibly other getting traded – it looks like more exciting days ahead.
The Hawks could end up with the worst record in the league next season which will guarantee them one of the top 3 picks (with the highest odds to get 1st OA and Bedard). But even if the ping pong balls don’t bounce the Hawks way and they lose out on Bedard – the projected 2nd and 3rd picks – Michkov and Fantilli are not far behind Bedard.
Most likely the Hawks will be in the running for worst record over the next few years so unless they select poorly the Hawks draft pick pipeline should start paying dividends in a few years.
I’m excited to see how Reichal has developed over this offseason as I believe he was supposed to stay in Chicago to work on strength and conditioning. With Dach gone and probably Strome too – there should be opportunity for him to play up with the Hawks is he earns it.
Lol…..lol….lol….Hawks have no idea how to draft, KD and his scouting staff must have spent their time this summer watching Movies….holy crap what a waste of 3 first round picks. Hawks will be unwatchable for the next 5 years. Stadium will be at 2005 level with 5k fans….lol…lol….lol.
Looking back on everything wanted more in trades and happy with who we picked from 7 and 13 for just about every player in the 1st round.
Now I will be watching who are the top players in the next three drafts.
Billy Reay, I totally agree that the Blackhawks wiffed three times by not trading for even one first rounder next year. Or, a good prospect. Rinzel at 25?
Return for 12 is being laughed at by media. Whatever the 7 and 39 are more like what we would have for if waited to tradeline to do trade. Still happy with the picks from a draft of this quality. The key draft will be the top 3 elites from next three drafts.
Top 5 or bottom 5.
Fast skill size. Check.
If we do trade 19 88 we could be looking at three 1sts in 23 draft and if a team wants to have a chance/a team that’s good but not good a D lie rangers Toronto other they could want Jones that would net us four 1sts in the quality deep 23 draft.
23 draft
1 15 25 20 21
Actually five with tb 1st.
Like to see is trade up like ARI did with 25 33 65 and get similar 11th for better quality.
This scouting staff is a joke and their picks are proof.
No prospect thrown in also on The Cat trade?
Was this another Chicago Sports team trade to SAVE the money on future contract ?
Hagel got bigger return that Debrincat ?
Am I reading this wrong?
Someone clarify….
Trading just to trade aint cutting it.
Then Help Toronto out by eating shitty goalie contract for 2 Years, to move up 13 spots in This Years draft? What did it cost us to move BICKEL’s Contract? or SHARPS?
I can be a GM here too after Tanking a team for 5-7 years… lol… js
All for Rebuild, BUT NOT STUPIDLY….
Wow-give them time (I like the middle pick and the first pick may be one of those steals-we don’t know)
I officially think this team is in the ‘you can’t win for losing’ area. Picks 7 to 30 in most drafts are ‘maybe-lets hope’.
That’s why the draft gets the share of studs in the second round, duds at the top.
3 picks and a true rebuild-it’s a start.
Well this is a rebuild. I did want DCat to be part of the rebuild and our veteran when we were to be good again. We are taking everything down to the studs .
Hagel brought us one extra body. DCat brought us two extra bodies
Dach still needs to fill out and probably will. Hopefully we kept the better Dach. I believe that got us an extra body.
Let’s see what today brings. Hopefully some 1st rd ’23 picks.
Feels like the Nirthside. Hoyer getting rid of everything Theo. Kyle getting rid of everything Stan.
I do like being at or watching right from the beginning the growth of the next/new wave. 4yrs for playoffs should be right.
LOVE – the Nazar pick… think Speed of Schmaltz – with shoot first attitude… smaller in height- But like Kane- much stronger than he looks
Other 2– D guys- I have no clue on…
WTS- 2023 is supposed to be much better draft… HOWEVER- that Makes it more likely that the BEST or TOP 3 pick from 2022 draft — is actually drafted from OUTSIDE the Top 10… crapshoot!
So I applaud GM for grabbing as many picks this year– cuz w/ great scouting- or just dumb luck of # of picks- 2nd thru 5th Best player of this draft– may come from ???? outside Top 10
Nazar–gonna be way better than Dach– speed/shot/ IQ– so that was a win
Dcat- great shooter- But really- useless in Hawks rebuild– time will tell if the Picks become players or??
Read up on Rinzel last night. Turned 18 on June 25 – still very much a puppy. 6′ 4″ and uses his reach to stop plays. Skates well. Played high school and then Juniors this past season. HS season was meh, but he adjusted well to Juniors and looked more at home. Belief is that Juniors next year will really improve him as he learns faster game, thought to be his strength. He is then committed to college the following year. Reviews were more about a very high ceiling that will show in next 2 years. Not very physical but that should come with growing into body. Also has big shot but may need to wait to get into power lay until a bit older. Definitely can pass he puck and skate it out of trouble.
Some optimism-I love it.
Korchinski has some size and room to fill out but looks like he’s 15.
Lol Noonan. A lot of those kids won’t be shaving soon. And then some of them look 30 years old! I’m amazed every time i see the physical maturity of today’s “kid” athletes.
Silent and Nooner 96-
I noticed that Both Korch and Rinzel- tall- but looked BABY faced… which I really thinks bodes well for Hawks… I think both these kids are NOT close to done growing/filling out and Hopefully maturing more.
I will never forget Soph year HS– end of season Parents nite– Varsity Basketball coach met my parents 5’2″ and 5’8″— he told my Soph coach– I was done growing- at 5’9– and make me a guard (was PF)- bcuz my parents were smurphs… Senior year I am 6’2 PF… College- I am 6’4
I think BOTH these BABY face D guys will be much stronger/bigger/faster in 3 years time… they really do look like 14-15year olds.
Nazar- looked ripped under his Dress shirt… looks like JR –small but sturdy
Keith hanging them up.
Good story bluto. Ya just never know.
We’re gonna need that $6.4mil room from DCat to cover Keith’s recapture penalty.
Reading up on limited scouting reports on some of the 2nd/3rd rd guys…
seems like GM is targeting Speed/ and Compete/relentlessness/ IQ. I think it’s a smart way to draft
Think Bolland/Shaw/Hagel type guys– they may NOT lite up scoreboard- But always keep you in a game
+ really next to impossible to Find/luck into the Kucherov/Point types in lower rounds.
GM- will now target 23/24 drafts- and Hope we get the golden Boy/type picks (like 88/19) – to carry heavy weight
+ all these “Compete” guys + few Excellent UFA’s ( Hoss)- and 3-4 years – U might have PO deep team?
we can ONLY hope
Hawks moves at the draft are getting roasted by the media. The only explanation they could come up with was their tanking for next yr to get a franchise player.
While I don’t have any hard evidence to cite, I think there may be some extenuating circumstances not in view on the surface of the DCat trade.
First, trading DCat signals beyond any doubt that an actual tear down rebuild has begun. The importance of that signal is not lost on the veteran players who may not want to wait 5+ years for the team to be competitive. The underlying objective is to get Kane to agree to waive his NMC and get a handsome return in trading him. Less so with Toews and Jones but the rationale still applies.
If Kane and DCat gone, and with the goalie situation as it is, the Hawks will almost certainly be in the running for the worst team in the league and in position to be at the top of the 2023 draft. Yes, it’s tanking and although that’s an ugly word, it’s a solid strategy to accelerate the rebuild. Chances are good they will be in the same position in 2024 and possibly 2025. Drafting in the top-10 of the next 2-3 drafts will do more for the rebuild than pretty much anything else.
The business side of the equation probably played a role in the trade of DCat too. The Hawks being one of the worst teams in the league the next few years will certainly affect the bottom line and consequently there may have been an edict to cut costs which would include DCat’s actual 2022 salary of $9M (as opposed to his cap hit of $6.4M), with the prospect of paying him $9M+ for the his last RFA year or extending him for $9M or more for the next bunch of years. Paying that kind of money for the next bunch of years so we would still have him when the Hawks are competitive again was probably determined to be something ownership would not agree to.
As much as I like DCat and was initially against trading him when the scuttlebutt started circulating a few weeks ago, I overjoyed that the Hawks have (finally) jumped in the deep end of a rebuild instead of sticking a toe in the water like they did over the past few years. Was the return enough? I don’t know but it was the return available and the time he needed to be traded so from that perspective the return was fine and if Korchinski becomes a top line d-man in a few years than the return was more than fine.
Blitz, that’s what I think not deep drafts you donot ever know for the deep quality drafts I like drafting higher. For then23 draft let’s get 1at pick and get another 19 88 type or close of player. I like the 7 and 13 picks could have been reversed and still like them. What I wanted fast skill size attitude like you said.
Just get a load of them and get those top pick quality players with our 82 record and then the Hossas will come.
Timing. In time for COL to be worn out and teams like TB others are done.
Bobby, the media can suck it like Billy said in 2013 suck on thaaaat.
That is the plan get the franchise players with 1st pick and a couple more high elites with 1st 2nd or 3rd in 24 and 25 drafts.
ER, accelerate yea I looking at the most ideal way possible is to do it this way. If we’re -14 over .500 with 19 88 12 Jones others then without those players or most of them has to be at least a 10 game swing which means in the -30 area.
Crapshoot or not it’s the most ideal way it’s how we got 19 88 and without them no dynasty.
ER, the return was not enough for me really wanted that top end prospect so didn’t like that liked the strategy.
If we’re not going up enough with tweaks each yr this is the way I want to do it.
Like Phil said would rather waste 1st rounds picks every yr a load up as much as youn can and try to win #4 and #5 while 19 88 are still prime yrs we did not do that enough and now it’s not worth it. To me it’s a no brained this is the absolute best thing for the Blackhawks and any media or other who laughs at us now we ll be laughing last.
Just like we did after we beat BOS in 2013 when before finals started the entire media were heavy salty east coast bias and they ate it. Again Dave Bolland suck on thaaaat.
ER, ohh yea the return was going to say it wasn’t enough for me but when you see the quality in that draft I think if we got the 5th or other/better then we got we still get the same players. Only nj 2nd would have made it better.
When was the last time a team traded a top 3 pick and what was it for?
I think the first question that needed to be answered by ownership/management was whether or not DCat would be part of the rebuild or should he be leveraged to jumpstart the rebuild. The answer was the latter which then posed the second question of when to trade him – before or after the draft or at the TDL? They decided it was best to trade him when they did rather than wait and you can debate those decisions but at that point the dye was cast and the return they got for him was the best available at that time. In other words you can disagree with the decision to trade DCat but if you agree it was the correct move for the rebuild than you really can’t complain about the return because it was the best return available.
ER, one thing I think I mentioned before for those who aren’t scrolling past my posts is even though the teretirns were not what we wanted in full. They were important because without Hagel debrincat dach and whoever is next we win too much and get no franchise players let alone the next Kaner kind of player the 1st pick in 23 draft like we got 16 yrs ago.
We can get a good core and be good like lots of teams are I want to get that Kaner type and a couple mckinnons other.
To ke the key is getting both not just one or you end up,like mc David drysital sitting on a deserted island for 20 yrs yea they are awesome and yea there not going anywhere/they were there because the west coast division sucks just like the all Canadian corona division only there because of that.
Anyways nice to chatter with you guys again and we will be back. Only thing that doesn’t feel right is it prob won’t be with 19 88 and that is very frocked weird to me. I guess think Salkic and maybe Toews when older can gm the hawks to a cup.
Called it! I called Byrum too, but Stan did not listen. Someone said that these guys have yet to start shaving…a lot can happen between now and when they get to the NHL…this is a huge crap shoot!
FYI…at 4:09PM…KD reads this board. In fact, I think KD is Billy Reay! :-)
Tommy Ivan
July 7, 2022 at 4:09 pm
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Based on what I have seen on youtube, read, and disseminated. The three guys that I think we will look to draft at #7 are D-Kevin Korchinski, C-Cutter Gauthier, and the late riser C-Conor Geekie…let’s see how I do. I know that I wanted Byram over the field and now I want Korchinski as his scouting report and game tape is impeccable.
One of the draft’s biggest risers over the course of the year, Korchinski is a terrific puck mover and powerplay quarterback. There are some concerns over his decision making and defensive play, but his improvement over the course of the season was encouraging. Plus, it is rare to get a high-end puck mover with his size and athleticism.
Yea I just wanted more then I saw who we got at 7 and 13 and you could easily reverse those picks. I did feel like we got the two best players we could if not picking 1 or 2 I have no idea scouting these recruits have a good feel to it. The return sort of didn’t at first.
Mostly part of because like the others said this draft was weak and it kind of didn’t matter where we picked exactly just get two in first part of first round/better quality %. Just get a lot of first half of first round picks in 22 23 24 25 and we will hit on some.
What happens if we have only four first half of first rounds in these four drafts we hit on less/end up with not enough.
We have to hit on enough and it’s a number game have eight first half of first round picks not four and we get more core players. No garentee you have to go with more is better.
So yea even though I wanted more in return big picture wise I think it’s better to do trades when we did then at tradeline because that just means we’re picking 3 4 or 5. We need 1st pick.
Now that the fury of the draft is behind us, the thing I’m most interested in watching is if Kane gets traded and for what return. If Kane waives his NMC and gets traded, it will be interesting to see if ownership agrees to retain salary to maximize the return. I think that will give an indication of how committed ownership is to the rebuild over the bottom line. Hopefully they agree to retain the maximum of 50% which would be $5.25M cap hit but only $3.45M actual salary. Kane at 50% retained, even as only a 1-year rental should return something significant, although it will probably be less than what Hawks fans want.
Tommy, sometimes all you have to do is say it. Good omen.
Here’s to korchinski being a good one.
It’s going to be a good one. ‘Dunlop’
Funny I read elsewhere someone complain about is taking on a bad contract when for the last three yrs we have been saying when we have space do exactly that it’s a free late 1st. Then when we actually do it this guy not bowman we hear the moaning.
Ha.
I want Kaner to get more cups just not with rangers. Go to CAR baby and they have a fun team and good defensemen. Rangers donot have good D.
Here’s to Korshinski, Nazar, and Ritzel the Schnitzel!
We need some draft wins.
Mo, another consideration for making the DCat and Dach trades when they did so they could get 2022 top-15 picks is so that the development clocks can start ticking. Korchinski and Nazar will be one year ahead in their development path than the 2023 draftees with the possible exception of Bedard and one or two other guys at the top of the 2023 draft. With the prospect of drafting at the top of the next few drafts, it makes sense to start with a couple guys in 2022 and let them progress toward being ready for the NHL while the guys drafted in 2023/24/25 start their developments paths in succeeding years.
I want us to get so many that once there elites get bridge contracts and we’re full to cap/once adding some ufa elites like a Hoss that we’re prepared to draft 28-32 every yrs for yrs like we did before and know that we’re not going to be able to continue to keep bringing in younger good players every yr yr after yr.
That’s not possible you can only stack so much and then we might hit on some of those gems in the 30-45 pick area like sander debrincat others otherwise what we got is what we got. So plan well ahead with large group because no team will just keep them coming in/once your a top 5 team.
If we plan well ahead of time we already have what we need and use 1sts to trade for another teams high prospect instead of a 3rd line center that’s good at faceoffs. Go for guys like Hands for a 5th and use 1sts to get more high propers because we won’t be drafting any when we’re top 5 unless it’s lucky hit.
We ll pay our dues last and next few yrs then I am going to get pumped again. Just keep it realistic to win the cup again not another dynasty. Goal is a 4th cup. That’s it. Then go from there.
Even if the Hawks find a way to trade Kane and Toews with the objective to be as bad as possible and secure a top draft pick – there’s no guarantee there won’t be a couple teams even worse. Montreal finished with 55 points with a goal differential of 98, and Arizona with 57 points and a goal differential of 102 points. The Hawks finished with 68 points and a goal differential of 72. In other words, for as bad as the Hawks were last season – Montreal and Arizona were another level worse than the Hawks.
Now, taking DCat and Dach off the Hawks should result that the Hawks will be worse than last season, but how much worse, and did Montreal and Arizona do anything to get better? Maybe Slafkovsky plays this year and most times the 1stOA pick does but will he make an immediate significant impact?
They traded Lehkonen and Toffoli during last season so their lineup is worse now than when they started last year.
And what did Arizona do to get better? Cooley is going to college so he won’t be there to make a difference. Arizona is also trying to trade their best d-man (Chychrun) so that will only serve to make them worse.
The Hawks aren’t the only teams tanking for Bedard. Trading Kane and possibly Toews and Jones would help in the race to the bottom.
Also the ahi coach spores is a -8 in first 10 games. Just Hagel debrincat dach maybe 10 games worse without any of 19 88 Jones that’s another 10 games. If we’re the flip of a good 50-20 team and 20-50 that’s got to do it per say.
What record did we have when we got Kane. I remember jumping a team and getting Kane. Philadelphia that’s fitting.
Sch makes a huge difference west coast is weak. Central is tuffest again maybe so we’re in luck there. That weak west should help ARI.
Ok I need to feel like we can get 1st pick so better keep thinking positive on this.
Bedard or bust!
Speaking of Byrum, which I was pushing for as well, did anyone catch the host on NHL Network say that Byram is going to be a longtime star and that he had a great playoff series? I still believe the Hawks brought up Dach too soon because they were short on talent and this hurt his development.
Our GMs are getting better but…. Last year Bowman picked Nolan Allen, a projected 3rd rounder, at 32. This year KD reached for Rinzel at 25. He would likely have been available at 39 but not much after that.
Who owns the chiefs. Owns Owns!
At least the 25 pick was a free one from making a good move would be pissed off if it was one of our had earned picks.
Why I want as many first half of first round picks we can gather I feel more comfortable with who we pick there then later on draft. To me that’s the crapshoot after top 15-20 picks and I understand what you guys means even 1-15/20 aren’t fo sure.
Tommy Ivan– KD maybe reading your posts…. and He most know those Poles – are hard working studs.
Of course- I might be just another big dumb Polack- and biased
Get rid or Toews… trade Kane… then we can start the Young Fast game…. lol
Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall in those inner sanctum meetings when Hawks ownership and management discussed the objectives and strategies for the rebuild. How much was that strategy was influenced by the projected business realities of the rebuild?
Seth Jones was acquired under previous management but I have to believe with the consent of ownership. How does that square with the trade of DCat? On the surface it seems inconsistent, but there may be something not in view at the surface – something that makes sense to sign a 27 year old star player for big bucks and 8 years when it doesn’t make sense to sign a 24 year old star player for big buck and 8 years. Granted, it’s not truly apples/apples comparison for a number of reasons, one being a #1 d-man is more valuable and harder to come by than a 1st line winger – but that seems too weak a case to fully answer the question.
It may simply be that new management convinced ownership that the old management strategy was bad business and that the better strategy was to go scorched Earth by leveraging every asset possible to truly tear it down and rebuild from scratch. If that is what happened – then trading Seth Jones, if possible, should be part of the plan too, and acquiring him was a mistake to begin with and that must be placed at the doorstep of ownership.
Anyone with eyes to see knew the Hawks were a sinking ship for the last few season and trying to patch the sinking ship was a fool’s errand. Ownership allowed the old management team too much time to do what needed to be done when the results didn’t warrant that confidence in them. This tear down rebuild should have been started at minimum 2 years ago and probably 3 years ago.
Well, it’s started now. Finally.
First, Congrats Tab as I just learned today you went to BN so I checked it out. Lots of cut and pastes, where is your takes. Lots of writers on here have better content. But I get it, corp wins again after all bills need to be paid.
Here is my take, the Hawks lacked any center productivity last season, when Lafferty is and was your best center for most of the season, we see the results. Heck, he could still be the best center. Dcat could score but was Ole’ on the Def. Bowman should have been fired when they traded Panarin who actually played DEF better than Kane or Dcat. Now, I hope we trade Kane and Toews and get some assets for next year. As for Strome and Kubs, I resign and try to salvage something if they are open to a 1-2 year contract. Someone has to score and why not give them a chance so we can trade them for some value or let them walk in the 1-2 years if they dont. When the Hakws signed S Jones and McCabe, I new the Hawks were doomed. Just like Lafferty, Caleb Jones was probably the best DEF until some of the Rook’s started playing. I would trade Murphy while he has value at the tdl next season. S Jones or McCabe anyone. The only hope is McCabe was still getting stronger from a knee surgery, it took me 18 months to build mine back up to playing level and once it did game was on.
As for the draft, I kept seeing Juntorp drop after all I wanted the Hawks to draft him in the 3rd round. It is way too early but he could be a top6 forward and a steal of the draft. Solid scorer when given the chance this year. I get the league he is in, lets see if Nils gets there. Overall, a solid draft only because the Hawks weeded out Dcat and Dach. Korch and Nazar could make us forget those two. For me, the Hawks need top forwards as we have a plethora of DEF in the minors and not enough openings. Forwards are weak in the top 6 and maybe a goalie next year even with Commesso coming soon.
The good news is we only have Seth Jones long term who could be a solid first pairing with Korch. Mitch as the 2nd pair (we have to hope) which would leave a hole at 2nd pair LH. OFF, well we need 5 top 6 until they trade Kane which would mean all top 6 unless Reichel can become the one. That is why I resign Kubs and Strome hoping to get some value, even a second would be better than letting them both walk.
ER, that makes sense. Jones was good to get have to have a top pair to win or you be like TOR NYR others who have really good off and not good at D. EDM?
So nothing wrong with getting Jones. Trading Dach means full rebuild. Debrincat was is just here at the wrong time otherwise we keep him. Top pair more important harder to get.
The overall idea has to be young wave not young players one a yr for five yrs. Wave. This is a gathering of one core player a yr and several young players in five yrs. Wave total is 5 core players and 10 good young players in five yrs.
Debrincat could have stayed he’s is young enough. Problem with that is like with Kaner we would be too good to get top picks and that messes up the goal of getting 5 core elite players in three drafts. We could get a good core like these other top 10 teams and be like TOR NYR other have fun and win one and be a one hit wonder/if win.
Or
We could be the next COL and gather a wave of elites. Then suck a little more and get an extra makar by ram just before we’re ready. They had there elite fw for 10 yrs before they got the rest of what they needed. A Defense elite defensemen from top 5 picks.
So when we get top picks next three drafts we have to grab top pair elite Defensemen and what ever yr we have opportunity to get a bedard you do it ask questions later.
Load young wave or bust!
Timing.
Have no idea not still sucking at right time and not getting Kaner we still win the cup but not dynasty. Being bottom 3 team at right time is huge. Bedard who cares if he is not as good as Kane no one is these 20 yrs. just be the next top player and with a gathering of elites and good young players at once we’re next best team again like COL is now.
They won’t do as well when there elite fw are older and those elite Defensemen will be in same boat as our core players are now.
What we need is to have both fw and D elites. Only way is through the draft. Can’t do it with no cap space and trades and other.
Draft baby!
For what positions to get from draft I still go with what we did with dynasty players from draft.
Three Defensmen and two fw. 2 7 19 88 4
They are harder to get the extra elite fw can come the way sharply Hossa did.
no complaints from me on the trades or draft choices. it’s kd’s ballgame, like it or not, and it seems he has a vision for the rebuild and a plan for how he will go about accomplishing his vision. bowman was a moron with neither a vision nor a plan. just knee jerk decisions depending on which way the wind was blowing in his myopic mind any given day.
if kd has not done so i hope he soon will talk to kane, toews, and seth about agreeing to be traded. especially kane and toews. they simply make no sense for the future and to play them this year and then let them walk serves no purpose. the asset that remains of both players to the team is as trade bait.
i have no emotion whatsoever about them being ex hawks. they did their part by helping to win three cups and the hawks did their part by paying them handsomely. a win/win relationship and now, as with all players eventually, it is time to part ways.
the future has begun.
ebon—- good shit
Hist draft—- good shit too…
& morr is cookin too !!!!
Hawk29… exactly correct
We’re a year away from the 2023 draft and with many 17/18 year olds – a lot of things can change in both good and not so good ways. It’s difficult enough projecting 18 year old prospects in their draft year after watching them play in their 17/18 year old seasons. It’s even harder to project 16/17 year olds before they even play their draft year season.
That said, the 2023 draft is supposed to be a very very good draft because it’s so deep. If a draft class is slotted into tiers with Tier-1 being generational and can’t miss star players, Tier-2 being very good players with a very good chance to be solid top-6/top-4 NHL players, Tier-3 being guys that have to improve certain areas to have an NHL career and Tier-4 being long shots. In a normal draft class, all the Tier-1 and Tier-2 players will be selected well before the end of the 1st round – in other words by the end of the first round you’re well into Tier-3.
The 2023 draft class is supposed to be so deep that there will still be some Tier-2 players drafted in the 2nd round. What that means for the Hawks is that they have a great chance to get a Tier-1 player with their own 1st round selection and a Tier-2 player with TB’s 1st round selection. And, if they can get a 1st round pick in the return for trading Kane, regardless if it’s a late 1st round pick from a top team – they will probably get a 2nd Tier-2 player. Plus, if they finish as bad as we think they will – then their own 2nd round pick could be a 3rd Tier-2 player.
Couple those 2023 picks with Korchinski and Nazar, who are both Tier-2 and the Hawks will have made 2 huge strides in following Mo’s plan … DRAFT BABY DRAFT.
Unless your the unlickiest son of a bitch and hit on 5 of 10 top 15 drafts picks no one hits 10 of 10 so let’s say a reasonable 7or8 of 10 is a good number to go by with top 15 picks being tier 1 and 2. That’s what I expect for the plan gathering wave style.
With 23 draft being that much deeper quality wise/tier 1/2 we really need to load on picks more for that draft then the others and I didn’t like trading Hagel at first but then we didn’t know we were going to do this the right way now we do. Which means those two 1sts for Hagel are huge with this 23 draft.
With ERs list we got
Tier 1
1st at 23
Tier 2
Korchinski
Nazar
25th at 23
20th at 23
28th at 23
Now think top 5 picks for 24 and 25 can land us two more tier 1 players. That’s a total wave of four tier 1 and five tier 2 players and maybe more if we can get any more tier 2 players from 24/5 drafts.
That’s the way.
This is where I am trading up with a 28 32 and meaningless 3rd or 4th for the 11th pick like ARI did to get another tier 2 player for the 24 and 25 draft. Quality not quantity is the way we can fill in later. If we have too many good defensemen then just do what COL did and get a good nasty player like kadri other that looked they traded the better player then they win/got what they needed more wanted.
Let the media say we’re losing trades and this and that like they salty east coast bias said BOS will win. Who laughed last? 5ose media flatlanders have a smile now when they talk Blackhawks stuff and those smiles of the media will start to turn into grins as we gather a wave of elites each yr next three drafts.
Can’t wait to see that.
Suck on thaaat!
Stay classy BOS.
ER and MO…. you guys are bringing me to Tiers… Of Joy!!!
‘That what were for were here to win.’
Mo was always the one to make lemonade out of apples, I mean lemons-anyways welcome back.
Not blowing sunshine or living fantasy make believe worlds. Not sure seems like every team that has won sucked for yrs before got topm5 picks a franchise players and a few elites from those top 5 picks then made whatever moves and won eventually.
Point same theme sucked for yrs got top 5 picks and franchise and elites from draft.
I am so proud of our dynasty because for what I know we didn’t buy it lol redwings with 95m payrolls when every other team had 25m? We were not a bookend Panzy and not be able to compete with the real top 5 teams for 10 yrs of Blackhawk dynasty yrs but as soon as salary cap watered down leagues top 5 teams BOS la chi Ana? Other? All of sudden pit was win no coincidence.
Same thing for nj those teams won three but they did it on yrs the league sucked/ I mean on yrs there was one real top 5 team.
When we won and man we really deserved four in six yrs we won when it was much much harder to win when there was 4 or 5 real top 5 teams each yr.
Could not be anymore proud of that besides winning the cup or being the dynasty team of this 20 yr era. When you compare the 7 dynasty teams and teams that won as many times over more yrs those teams didn’t do it stack for 7 yrs in a row like we did and EDM did. 5 in 7 yrs finals for us.
Without salary cap we win as much as EDM or more say the same then.
I guess it takes two generational players to do that in a salary cap world. 19 88
Nazar- the more I view/tape and scouting… the more I love this pick!
Passes/hands like Schmaltz- w/ crazy ability to control/corral bouncing pucks while weaving thru traffic
Skates- Like Panarin- weaves/changes direction/ accelerates – effortlessly
Actually- thick body for height- so Not afraid of using body
ONLY concern – is him getting his head knocked off at NHL level… Kid does appear to have his head UP while darting thru/embarrassing others… Just gotta watch out for the Pissed off Torres/Marchand types
If he skated w/ Kane next year ( I know he won’t)- I think he would put up 60 pts easy
Ludwinski- another great Pick… hard working… multi dimensional type player… gonna be good
Savoie- Hope we a Shaw type here- effort/forecheck/excellent speed
This time we won’t have to wait 20 yrs like COL did or be a top 2 team like we were in 1992 then 20 yrs 2010. We’re up in 5 yrs not counting last few yrs 10 total whatever.
Main thing is we are the EDM of this 20 yrs of hockey and EDM and CHI are the two best teams since? Ever. Ott tor mth won like 45 times in first 55 yrs but they got the top 10 draft picks every yr being Canadian players back then. I would have to start the count from 1970 and on.
To not take anything away from those three teams start from 1970.
How many times has the top 3 most cup teams won since 1960. There’s a reason. MTL 8 TOR 0 OTT 0. From 1980 MTL 2 TOR 0 OTT 0.
So hard to say when what yr the count should start. They deserved the 70s I guess but man those first 1890-1969 yrs I just can’t count it was a way different time and if NYR BOS CHI were Canadian teams and those three were American teams it would be that many times for the other three teams.
To me that seems more of oylmpics cups than Stanley since they got every top national players like that.
So with not counting those national teams those three teams had every yr from 1890-19whatever I go with EDM and CHI being the two best dynasty teams in hockey 1970-2022 and counting.
Anyways we have our place in history when you consider the differences of every dynasty team. Not a teams fault how it was during each time period but it was what it was.
So regardless of who ranks those top 3 dynasty teams in whatever order we are there in the top three.
MTL EDM CHI
Ok back to this century where EDM and CHI are the two best teams.
Easy to route for certain picks we get in 22 23 24 25 drafts like that.
We can assemble a large group of the type we want.
Fast skill size relentless.
In terms of not bringing and prospect up too early now there won’t be any idea of that since we’re not trying to please anybody. Which again is doing it the right way. Exactly what we’re doing for draft top 5 picks rebuild the right way.
I would like to see ea sports have every draft pick player in nhl23 and on so you can see/play games like we used to see with prospect teams tournaments of four Six teams a few yrs ago. Then won’t be long until these guys are on the nhl roster.
Mo, I hope you’re right about not having to bring up prospects too early. The Hawks need to be playing the long game and just as important – stick to the plan. The losing seasons will hurt the brand and the bottom line and there will probably be pressure to shorten the rebuild process but in order for the rebuild to truly pay off with a Cup contending team – ownership and management will have to have the self confidence and thick skin to see it through. Hopefully they will when the going gets tough – which it will.
What did McKinnon landenskog think when they are franchise players and they sucked for 10 yrs about until they got those defensemen. They had to think we’re lik mcdavid draistl and we’re going nowhere. Then did they leave the, on an island so they could get more top 5 draft picks because that’s the only reason they are top team.
We won’t have franchise players for that long. Have to wait a hair longer then 19 88 did because 2 7 were already here/that’s sort of same with COL.
So yea the franchise and elite players we get in 23 24 25 won’t have to wait too long in that way.
Like your saying stick to the system because it won’t work as good. No shortcuts.
Eddie o just said Jones does not have a no trade clause/that has started yet so we can trade Jones to a team that’s not good at D. TOR NYR FLR other. That trade can’t be retained.
19 88 can easily do full retained.
Just like we asked for last few yrs and did it do it. Now we did it trade for a bad contract and get a free 1st. We are ready to do three more of those next three drafts. That is another 3 tier 2 players right there. Can really load up on 1sts here. Add three more and we’re looking at
22 23 24 25 drafts
3 tier 1 players
10 tier 2 players
That so you come again.
Reading the top players in 23 draft are better then every player at the top of 22 draft. Better to have first selection no matter who we get of those three they are franchise players. Let’s be in 1st or 2nd so we’re assured we get one of them.
Where we were spotted a -8 start from all coach we were -6 for 70 games. Didn’t remember and what will help is not having a top 5 goalie in lehner flurry. That should get us there right there and the traded elite players.
ARI is head to head with us playing the same tuffest sch in hardest division/only two bad teams. MTL should do better with three other bad teams in that division which allows them to beat each other and get free wins.
I know we’re bias a little but are the people in the media idiots or something. How could they think that the trades were a epic fail. Are they being serious? Or do they just do or like is because we’re the best team in hockey since EDM dynasty.
Are they stupid? And that’s no disrespect to anyone who has a legit disability. Seriously do they not understand the absolute best way to stack a roster with one/two franchise players and lots of elites is to draft top 5 for a group of yrs and have a 1st or 2nd or two on there. You guys know what I mean there.
I almost have to stop reading almost every media and comments by most are like were suppose to let o bleed for another 10 yrs and then we’re allowed and it be smart then to rebuild with top picks.
I can understand there kondergarden logic in thinking keeping 12 77 would be good since they are younger. Do they not know that if we have good players like that we wouldn’t get a top pick for everyone if these drafts and that’s vital to securing enough at once here.
Wow. I am super unimpressed with media and comments by most how they can’t see the big picture.
They must be the kind of people who give the girl a 10 when it’s 5.75 for the drink instead of giving her 11.
How dumb can they be.
I was thinking about what the lineup might look like if Kane and Toews get traded and Strome and Kubalik aren’t re-signed. So I go to CapFriendly and look at the list of players either currently under contract or probably will before the season starts. FULL STOP. When I looked at the roster I think my brain shut down and refused to contemplate such ugliness. So I gave up on the idea, but then I saw this on another website so I thought I would post it because it didn’t cost me any brain cells to do so.
YEESH!
Reichel Lafferty T. Johnson
Katchouck Kurachev Raddysh
R. Johnson Borgstrom Hardman
Khara Barratt Entwhistle
Stillman S. Jones
Vlasac Mitchell
C. Jones Regula
Mrazak
Lankinen
Talked to Daughter’s friend to help me set up new web page today… Let you know… asap…
She said, won’t be hard so long as I pay….
Told her, np….
LMFAO
“on it”….
Pounded wife today in Golf… she’s pissed.
On a Roll… lol
The people at second city hockey blog are about the only other place the here that understands and agrees with the rebuild plan. They see the big picture to. After reading at one other place that has a brain can finally redeem ourselves.
Just make sure we donot rush anyone before they are really ready. We’re not purposely fielding a ahl team but the other teams in nhl when they were a bottom 5 team did same thing. No shame in that. There’s a difference between throwing games when you have good players and tradin good players to rebuild.
It what BOS did after 2013 or 14 it’s what the NYR did just couple yrs ago every tem does it. I just think if your going to do it do it the right was and that all in. If tweaking worked then I would do that. Tweaking worked for another three cups after 2010 core was young. Once core get older you need another half a core from where? COL hadn’t won yet they sucked for few yrs and got the D with top 5 picks.
No other team was able to continue and win more cups like we did. BOS feel off trades good players for draft picks got the, better again. LA fell off and they are still building.
It’s just time the right time. We do this a couple yrs ago and maybe the timing isint right like we donot get dach to get nazar. Nazar could be one of the elites can’t wait to see. Same for others timing is huge and maybe doing the rebuild now and not a couple yrs ago is a better time to do it.
Go hawks 2025.
ER we’re the Charlestown chiefs. Good omen is they win once they get pp going.
Actually when we’re a top team again in 4 yrs we should get three Hanson brothers for the 4th line.
They won’t look the same kinda crazy under those mandatory helmets. :-)
I wondering about timing. As we know proper timing can often times be the difference between success and failure. When will these young players come online, most of whom we haven’t even drafted yet. I guess to qualify that I little more – will it be like waves where 2 or 3 new players come online each season of more like fits and starts?
When does the first wave break upon the shore – is it next season with Reichel, Vlassic and maybe one or two more? Are Reichel and Vlassic and anyone else ready to play NHL hockey without half a roster of rock solid veterans to shepherd them – or are they even ready to play in the NHL even if there was a veteran laden team for them to assimilate with?
If we’re not going to rush prospects until they’re absolutely ready – then maybe Reichel, Vlassic and others should spend another season in Rockford, in which case the first wave doesn’t break until the 2023/24 season. Which means than every successive draft class follows that one where the 2022 draftees arrive in 2024/25, 2023 draftees in 2025/26, 2024 draftees in 2026/27, and so on. That seem reasonable with rare exceptions of a Bedard type player who may not need much or any seasoning. That suggests the Hawks won’t be reaching playoff level for 4-5 years with at least another 2-3 years to reach the rarified air of Cup contender.
And that’s probably the best case scenario AND ownership/management has the intestinal fortitude to stick to the plan.
Not to cop COL they went up fast like three yrs so drafts are guys we have 22 23 24 25 basically. We still get a mid first I. 26 draft being 8 seed kind of thing. I am just going to think these four drafts and then it will be really exciting again.
The 8 seed yr then 4/5 seed yr will go by fast since we’re having fun again and then it’s on for yrs.
Not sure prob not like 2009 wave where I’m 2008 we only had half of the, and the other half was ready for 2009. So there some stayed longer/then needed maybe.
Hard part is always for the Owner to chill as they want the dough from the fans, Every game , thus winning a few meaningless game in the process
Whats wrong with 3-4 years of Sucking at the gate , and then 350-400 Consecutive sell outs ?
Lets Gooooo !
Strome won’t receive offer from the Hawks
Kubalik ?
Who really wants to come play in Chicago?
Charlie Roomlioomlyitus or whatever his name is tweeted that Toews and Kane were seen at Fifth Third Arena checking out the prospects practice today.
Hmmm …
Wonder we can conjure up about that? Talk amongst yourselves. :-)
Prob making hand shake on let’s go for 3-4 yrs while these gems develops and then we both come back for one yr contract with decent enough caphits to fit and win here again. There telling each other we can leave and come back there’s no once you leave your not welcome to back thing.
Go and come back get the team more assets then just come back in 2026.
Hawks2010, no one right now or for a couple yrs and that’s exactly what we want.
minimum a #1, Kakko and Rempe. We retain half for Kaner.
would take Kakko Miller no pick.
derek king retained as an assistant coach. this is the guy who criticized his team in post game interviews for not competing well when it was his job to have them prepared to compete. very disappointed with this decision.
From Colorado might need their next 2 #1s just like we got from TB and Olausson and Beaucage for Kaner. Don’t think they’re gonna move Byram. Maybe Newhook but I rather have more size.
Not that I want to see any team win four cups and I donot think any team will. With Kaner a team could.
COL prob wins one two or three cups anyways might as well have Kaner go there. I donot want 88 going to NYR or TB kinds of teams.
I can route for COL and Kaner. They were the team that went head to head with redwings so in my books they are cool.
Happy to get lots of 20-32 late first picks. The real elites usually come from top 10 picks. So I would rather get the elite prospect then a late first. With late firsts and another 2nd and other round pick we can trade for the 11th like ARI did then it’s ok to have extra late 1sts if we trade up like that.
Quality.
Ebony-you said might be a couple of teams even worse than the Hawks-can’t see it. lol
It will be a shock if they don’t pick one or two. (I’m assuming one of Kane and Toews , at least, gone)
It will be interesting and horrifying to see some of the line and D combinations.
How about this Noons
Raddysh Lafferty Riechel
Kurashev Barrett TJohnson
Telply Slavin Entwistle
Khaira RJohnson Hardman
Think the D will look good name wise.
We have good timing on the three top player in 23 draft are better then every player in 22 draft. So much better to have top picks for 23 and prob 24 and 25 then 22.
Noonan – I shan’t be held responsible for the things I say. :-)
That said, I’m not sure I said that, exactly. I meant the Hawks will have serious competition in the race for the most ping pong balls in the Bedard lottery. Namely Arizona with Montreal only slightly less of a threat. I mean I don’t think it’s a slam dunk the Hawks will be the worst team in the league next season, and that based solely on the teams last season and what, if anything, was done to improve their team – it doesn’t factor in that there may be other lower echelon teams that try to do some subtle things to position themselves into the Bedard derby.
-8 start with Ahl coach -6 for 70 games after total -14 maybe means we were a -8 team. Take off 12 77 19 88 17 8 at least say that has us still around the -14 mark because of that start/coach. We also had top 5 goalies that won us game not in goalie wins just that they are that good and we won more then we would have with a 15th or 25th goalie.
So thanks then-14 and say with a 25th kind of goalies it’s a five game swing. We lose 5 more then we would have with those top 5 goalies and five more loses then wins is ten games diff. putting then -14 to -24. The -25 area has to be right there for 1st 2nd.
ARI prob harder to beat because they play as hard a sch where MTL plays in weak division that has four bad teams in it so they get free wins against each other.
Bedard and other two are generational and franchise players co we’re getting one of those fo sho.
God news adidas is done making jerseys in 2025 so when we’re a top team again the jerseys could be normal again.
The colors on the Adidas jersey are terrible looking.
Collars.
With free agency starting tomorrow – hopefully KD has let teams needing cap relief that the Hawks will take on bad contracts for draft picks. If Kane leaves, that opens up $10.5M cap space to go along with a bunch of cap space they already have. The Hawks should be able to take on a couple $6M-$7M contracts, such as JVR from Phily ($7M x 1yr) and Monahan from Calgary ($6.375M x 1yr). Depending how desperate the team is to get space to sign a free agent – they may be willing to give up high draft picks.
Other teams did it for us so we should be honored to take mid late 1sts to help them out.
Also not in favor here of Hawks keeping King as asst. coach… He “doesn’t have it”….
I’ll tell you what – this is one helluva fun offseason so far. I’m loving the scorched Earth tear down rebuild and will love it even more if we can get some good for Kane and maybe Toews and maybe some more picks for taking on cap dumps. This is good stuff and I’m enjoying it now because I know it will be a hard suck when the season starts and we have to watch the unwatchable. So live it up now cuz later we’ll be paying the piper big time.
I just saw Malkin re-signed with the Pens and E.Kane just re-signed with the Oil. Two big names off the market. Now the biggest questions are where will Johnny Hockey go and where will our Kane go?
Now the media are using the crybaby article by writing that doing this is pisspoor disgrace bla bla. It’s called the salary cap era. I think they just donot like that we’re the best team since EDM ISL dynasty’s.
The is the right way.
Like bolly says. Me to the media.
Suck on thaaaat!
Lib media don’t like it…..
So what….
Today is Choas Day in the NHL, and the perfect day to hood-wink someone into trading for Seth Jones and his $9M salary for the next 8 years. This is where we could really recoup some draft and prospect capital, and why make that poor guy go through sludge for the next 4-5 years. He seems like a good dude, let’s keep him engaged and relevant in the NHL. It’s a win for all.
Pulford and Morrison – my kind of linemates!
Domi and Athanasiou for one year with the Hawks.
At 3 millions each.
Lots of activity in the first couple hours of free agency – signings everywhere. It’s hard to keep up with, much less analyze what it could all mean for the Hawks. The signings of AA, Domi and Stalock are not significant more than veteran bodies to fill the lineup and possibly flip at the TDL.
The elephant in the room is what’s going to happen with Kane. If he decides to stay, then the rest of the offseason is very anticlimactic. If he is traded, then the total immersion in all things tank job can be very exciting and anticipatory.
Hmmm ? ? ? ?
Who is Butters, aka Colin Blackwell?
Good signings to flip at TDL.
Kubalik got what’s he’s worth and sees Detroit closer to playoffs than Hawks. Detroit also got my Copp.
Ottawa building nice.
Still think Kadri gone Kane in.
Murphy should move in a few days after someone doesn’t get a dman they need.
Where is Lankinen ?
Not on capfriendly.
Not on Hawks roster ?
Am I missing something here ?
Oupps..
Flames would be interested in Kane ….or Toews but what would be in for the Hawks ?
Dylan Sikura back in Chicago. Delia to Canuckleheads.
I feel deflated, somewhat. I’m still happy the Hawks are doing more than lip service to a rebuild but now with the report that Kane will (most likely) not be traded this offseason – it’s a let down. I realize that’s a greedy position to take and that Kane has every right to not agree to be uprooted and moved to another team/city/country … but I had visions of grandeur where the Hawks would get even more draft picks so that in a couple years the Hawks prospect pipeline would be the envy of the league. And now, there won’t be those additional draft picks and with Kane playing for the Hawks there will probably be more standing points which means fewer ping pong balls in the Bedard lottery.
I suppose there’s still a chance Kane gets traded in-season and that will be exciting and essentially put us on the same track I thought we were on a couple days ago … but that means I have to wait to reach that level of excitement again and I hate to wait.
I suppose a better way to look at it is I’ll get to watch him playing for my Hawks for a bit longer which is something to be happy about even if it doesn’t mesh with the total scorched Earth approach I was hoping for. And least not yet.
Eb I believe Kane will garner us more at TDL. We will have (1)teams that know they need him to get into the playoffs(the teams that I wish we trade him to). (2) Teams in the playoffs that with him are guaranteed a long run. (3) Teams getting him so that the other teams don’t get him. That competition will get us more for him.
Same goes for Toews. Hopefully someone needs a face off specialist for the playoffs and ask for the Captain.
In season trades I see McCabe and Murph going when a team knows what they have as D and are looking to solidify the back end.
Haven’t read anything lately other day saw Kaners peopl said he prob wouldn’t stay past tradeline.
I am for getting Bedard and also anyone of the three top players I read each player is better then any of 22 and right there with other top players for other drafts. Only not getting one of these franchise players would be unexceptable.
We get more for 19 88 at tradeline. How many team points we get with these elite players for 60 games. Most important is getting one of those top draft players and not 4th.
If you go back to beginning at look at whole picture of what we’re doing everything is on sch for doing it for most return and by when we need to do it. Two 1sts for Hagel top 10 draft pick from only player we prob can get that and in time to not get the off from the draft traded and other players. Add more free 1sts from ufa player for free/done this three yrs in a row. 19 88 Jones at a good time for return and when it needs to done by.
By the book.
Just would like to say we didn’t 2 first round picks for Hagel. We could say we got 2 players for Hagel and UPGRADED our 4th round picks to 1st round picks.
For Kane we should get 2 first round picks and a player Kakko (wish Lafreniere) we retain 50%
For Kane 2 first round picks and Compher. Or 1st round in ’23, Beaucage and Compher. we retain 50%
Compher needed to make cap compliance and we did get P. Sharp (Compher) before we had Toews(Bedard) and Kane(’24 1st round pick).
For Kane 2 first round picks and Bellows retain $3.5mil
For Kane 2 first round picks and Mittelstadt retain 0
For kane 1st in ’23 2nd in ’24 and Nylander(another Sharp scenario) retain $3.75mil
those are only a few ideas Kyle
Didn’t know exactly on Hagel mittlestat I heard sucks I not sure. Whoever we get for the top prospect elite player needs to be that.
Who does COL have for the prospect part.
Every team pick would be 20-30 prob so elite prospect is a must. I think only NYR COL have those elite prospects of top 10 teams because they both tanked for a few yrs to become good again. I would say a elite prospect/one from a top 5 or 10 pick and two later 1sts would be better then two middle 1sts and a not elite prospect.
Have to get elite prospect from trade.
Certain teams, if Kane chooses to go, like the Rangers will only make this type of decision near the trade deadline. They will want to know it’s worth it-and there has been no indication that the Hawks have any interest at this point in prospects in their mid to late 20s. (e.g. Compfer) They want young, cheap players. Could see Kane get a first rounder, a 2nd the following year, and a prospect (young) but not the teams top, or even 2nd best prospect. That’s a rental situation, with the hope to sign him for one more year.
They need to suck (a lot) to get a shot not only at Bedard but the 24 crop. I hope I’m alive long enough to enjoy the fruits of this tank.
JUst watched Prospect’s scrimmage… kinda snoozer… unless the D was that good… O side- Not much to write about
Nazar- most noticeable F
Juntorp
Lud
Serpa ( not picked/invite)– noticeable
Thompson
D guys- are big and can skate
Rinzel- seemed really fluid for size
Korch- was OK too
Overall- boring ( O wise)… OR– the D was just way ahead of the O side???
Supposed to be LOTS of speed in the prospects– NOT shown/ OR– D was just better Positionally!!!
I don’t know
Oskar Olausson and Alex Beaucage are the prospects or maybe Newhook from Colorado.
Two Zachs as free agents Sanford and Ashton-Reese.
Qualifier for Strome was $3.6mil he got $3.5mil. was there a bidding war between some teams?
I hear ya Nooner. I’m 68 with diabetes – I doubt I have another 10 years – let’s get this rebuild thing done already. :-)
Y’all should really come over to Bleacher Nation and comment there. I’ve run over 200 stories in under 3 months on everything that’s going on with the team.
Bleacher Nation format is not really user friendly and certainly not as engage-able as this site Tab .
Nation seems to be Tweet based ho hum . Are we missing something ?
Miss the old interactions .
Hi Tab, first of all, thank you for keeping this forum open. I hope you will continue to do so for a while longer.
I read many of your articles there and I like them – but – I enjoy the interaction with other Hawks fans on a forum like this, and unless I missed it – Bleacher Nation doesn’t have an interactive forum. If it did I would hang out there. There are a couple other forums still active that I either used to frequent (HockeyBuzz) or still do (HFBoards) – but the first all too often devolves into non-hockey arguments like political differences which drove me away from there, and the other one is filled with guys that seem very young and immature.
What can I say – CommittedIndians was my favorite and I miss it.
Yea same here I have been to those others and posted on them a bunch a yrs ago but they aren’t as good as here and there’s some flatlanders on those even though they are the better ones and have some good people posters there. Here there doesn’t see, to be any dipshits and a lot of good posters.
I also didn’t see anywhere at bleacher where to post comment. I went there thinking you could then read articles and no comments section. So I came back here and thank god some of the good people were still here.
Now I see a tab that says comments and jordy is on there she’s from here.
Think people missed it because it’s at the way bottom way below the article below the links to about ten other articles.
It just says show comments and doesn’t have a number count of comments.
With what we have signed now
Domi Toews Kane
Reichel TJohnson Anthanasiou
Lafferty Entwistle Raddysh
Katchouk RJohnson Blackmon
ebony
echo all the things you said in regards to committed indians being the gold standard for hawks fans to share their opinions.
bleacher nation too much work and not the ease of interaction.
i would be thrilled to have tab make committed indians a subscription service and chip in financially to make it worthwhile to him.
We should have a safe house to go to if this blog doesn’t stay open we can go to like bleacher and if anyone starts a new blog like this one if this one doesn’t stay open we all here can find it where everybody went to.
I won’t ever forget right before and during the Blackhawks dynasty the posters of this place names like sr brad phil from swig and the rest of us. Sr brad prob hanging out with the cartel in Baja. Man do I miss those golden times.
COL
Kane
CHI
Byram Newhook 3rd
Tab
How can we comments on Bleacher nation . Tell us how ?
It’s at the bottom and I mean very bottom of every article page. You have to scroll past the links to ten other threads like when you donot want to read someone’s posts and at the bottom it says read comments. It’s there.
Just did a test it worked click on login with Twitter and then you should be able to lock in your username the same as here if no one already is using it.
Mo I don’t think Byram is going anywhere-they love him. Cap will be an issue but not in the short term and cap will start to go up.
Thinking we can help Vancouver with their cap problem. We’ll take Tyler Myers and his $6mil with their #1 in ’23 for Beaudin and our 5th rounder.
Speaking of our good defensemen prospects how are they coming along haven’t watched talked much this season so donot know where they all are at. Could you grade them for where there are at and what ceiling they have.
Like Mitchell c/#3
Mitchell
Beau
Vlassic
Boquest – even though he’s traded just to see
Others we have – entire list before this draft
How about getting Aston Reese for 1-2 years at 1millon / year .
At 28 years old he still can punish some idiots who wants to hurt Hawks kids.
That would help for getting some respect .
Need that kind of player now .
That’s what I was saying we get the Hanson’s for a few hrs. Domi other can be tradeline players like the top 5 goalies.
Noonan, read that somewhere not named hockeybuzz. Wasn’t dreaming something not likely jist read it somewhere.
Every team that dreams of winning the cup wants Kane and there are blueprint out there for every team in what they could trade to get him.
If Kane’s preffered destination is NYR then Lafreniere should be our target plus a #1 in ’23. Going to be tough to get Lafreniere but must ask for him all the time. Go from no retention to 50% retention.
If not him then get #1 in ’23 Kakko, Othmann #1 ’24
I think the return for Kane will be largely dependent on Kane extending with the team. If he is going to be a rental – either full year with trade this summer or partial year with in-season trade – I wouldn’t expect the return to be anything close to that, even with 50% retained.
Eb that’s a good point. NYR has $3mil in dead cap space coming off the books after this season. Kane extends 3yrs at $7m to $8m I think NYR would/should give up something good for 3 good shots at the Cup.
Same goes for Colorado and more. You could see a great shot with them to have consecutive Cups.
Heck even Edmonton is in play. Keith just cleared out the $5m so Kane can fit there.
For Toronto we need Nylander in return. Could he be our Sharp before we get our next Toews and Kane.
Another Nylander-say it ain’t so JR.
He’s 26 and will only make the Hawks a bit better but maybe good enough to stay out of last.
So we might have to say ‘tanks but no tanks’ to Nylander.
My Peeps! Just remember that the Hawks gave up a 2nd and 3rd pick for the Human Blood Clot – Kimmo Timmonen at the TDL. Why wouldn’t someone give us a young developing player (LaFranniere) and a #1 pick for future HOF and Stanlet Cup Champion, and still best American hockey player of all time? Man, I wish Stan Blo and Chiarelli get back in the league soon!
We want the top 5 draft elite prospect in the trade late 1sts we can get from tradeline players those goalieshagels.
Kaners best place is COL to win cup. Other teams could win once. Going to COL Kaner will win. So trade got to be with a team that can win EDM has no defense NYR donot have good defense. CAR does.
NYR overachieved thought they will get better also easier to win these yrs without four five real top 5 teams in league so good teams like that who really are a 6-10 team can sneak up to conf finals finals a lot easier but when they have to play a top team it’s all over. Think MTL in the all Canadian division/overrated.
COL ain’t winning four cups in five yrs but on a yr/s they are not in finals a east team then could win. Timing.
Yea NYR only chance at winning cup is on yrs COL is not in finals and to be so good at off because a real top team will out syaytem smart them. Only way EDM or NYR could win is if they play each other in finals otherwise COL TB beat them.
TB get worse every yr. COL get better each yr. Think Blackhawks 2015 TB new younger team.
Who knows once COL elite fws are old enough they won’t be deep and it could be a wide open tournament where even TOR could win once since there won’t any real top 5 team in whole league/watered down quality.
That’s when we reenter with a deep top 5 quality gathering of young elites.
Let’s get Jones to a allie team like CAR then maybe Kaner would go there. Only team in east with good defense and established roster meaning they donot have to give 5-10 m cap hits for young elite players in a yr or two. So they will stay as good and get better with adds.
Add Jones Kane to CAR how do they look to win east.
Which player would be better for us kakko or lafrontaine. Are they much better then COL elite that’s not byram. What elites does CAR have and EDM have. Can’t see EDM.
Who would we rather have fratilli or Mitchov if we donot have first selection. Center or RW.
Not having seen either play, going off only written assessments of them – I take Michkov over Fantilli.
Lafraniere has shown more than Kakko and I would be very surprised if NYR trades him – maybe they give up Kakko though although I think I would rather get a 1st round pick instead of Kakko.
If Kane doesn’t agree to an extension and he is pure rental, than the return may not be more that a 1st round pick. If he extends I could see a couple 1st round picks and a top prospect.
Timmonen got it so we might.
So kakko is only as good/worth a 20-30 pick. Thought he was better then that I donot know though.
You think he’s better he’s RW. I guess look at top players in 24 draft next.
I would make NYR give lafrenia or they get nothing.
We can trade with COL or other then.
Force them for top prospect or nothing and watch Kane raise cup with COL for a couple more times.
NYR will love watching that. They might even get the closest look to it like in 14 again.
Korchinski/Nazar
Bedard/mitchov
Kiciharju/eiserman
Reichel nazar mitchov
Korchinski Kiviharju
Or
Reichel bedard nazar
Korchinski kiviharju
Which ever way we do it we’re going to have five elites of the seven needed from the 22 23 24 drafts.
Make NYR pay with lafrenia or they donot get a cup.
Edward Olczyk not returning to the Hawks booth.
Hawks offered higher per game rate but short term deal, which actually became a pay cut when Hawks wouldn’t pay for games being missed under other contracts.
In a world of 23 year old baseball players rejecting 15 year $440m offers, the Hawks should have known better.
Personally, now I won’t be screaming at him for covering veteran players when they suck too.
Bye Ed.
For the things foley olcheck other did I didn’t like I love it when we won and the good times we had with them then. The soft serve and other stuff needs to be kept to commercial breaks.
In my opinion, when Eddie stays in his lane he is the best color analyst in the game and that is proven time and again on national broadcasts when he isn’t as prone to shmooz as he too often does calling Hawks games, not to even mention the sickening on air bromance with Foley.
I hope it isn’t Colby that replaces him … PLEASE.
Kane is the only asset which could return 1st round draft pick(s). So if we get a 1st round pick for him – we’ll have (6) first round picks in the next 3 drafts. If 3 or those guys turn into top end core players to go along with a couple guys already in the system (Nazar/Reichel/Korchinsi/Commesso/?) – then we only have to hit on a couple more guys in the later rounds to round out the future core group. At that point (4-6 years from now), add a couple cost effective free agents to solidify the bottom-6 and go get a top free agent star player as the final piece.
Sounds so simple.
Sometimes it pays off to bet on the long shot.
ER – I agree with your comments about Ed . The story goes that the Hawks don’t want Colby in the booth, but between benches or in the studio instead. He’s signed for 4 more years….
I vote for a buyout!!
I don’t think that Rangers would sacrifice Lafreniere, maybe Kakko but why tax the future by giving Lafreniere who is at 2-3 years from being at the beginning of is peak like DCat now.
No way they give for one chance at one cup except iff Kane sign for at least another year ( more chance iff Kane sign for 2-3 years extra at 5- millions$$$
Hawks need to get one or 2 more first round next year ( now they have 2 first rd and 2 second rd pick
In 24 they have 2 first round and 1 second rd .
The Hawks will try big time to get more second and third rd for 24 .
I am vey disappointed that they didn’t sign Lankinen . He never had a real chance . Too bad but that’s the new plan .
Getting a good goalie is very very difficult.
All quiet on the western front.
I am here waiting for more good news. Might be awhile.
Dances with wolves.
Can we, should we get Tkachuck.
Kane, Kurashev TB #2 in ’23 for Tkachuck
If Ana looking for defensemen McCabe or Murphy a good fit for their #2 in ’23 and maybe a kid.
If we’re wanting to acquire Tkachuk – then we shouldn’t have traded DCat because they are both going to make big bucks before we need them in 3-4-5 years. We need to be bad enough to be at the top of the draft for the next 2-3 years and having Tkachuk in the lineup would be counter to that objective – same as DCat would have been.
In order for this rebuild to truly have a chance to put the Hawks back in Cup contention – we have to accept that the team is going to suck the next few years and we don’t want players that are already going into their 2nd or 3rd contract.
I was involved in an interesting conversation with some AZ fans on their board at HF. They were talking about the 2023 draft and who they would want the Coyotes to draft if they didn’t get Bedard. Most chose Fantilli or a couple other guys over Michkov and the main reason was that Michkov wouldn’t come over the the NHL for a few years because of his KHL contractual obligation, not to mention the whold Russian player thing with the Ukraine war going on.
My take was if the Hawks lost out on getting Bedard, I would take Michkov, not only because he is a can’t miss player but because his delay in coming to the NHL could work in the Hawks favor. First, having him in the lineup in 2023/24 may mean a few more wins which would hurt their 2024 draft position, and second – because if he joined the team in 2025/26, he would be a superstar player not unlike Kirill Kaprizov did with the Wild and he would be just starting his ELC so we get hm for 2 or 3 years before he gets to his 2nd contract and gets paid $10M+.
2025/26 would be right about when the rebuild would start showing some significant progress after players like Reichel, Nazar, Korchinski, Commesso, and a few others drafted in the next couple seasons would be into their 1st/2nd/3rd year in the NHL. Then inject Michkov into the team and add a stud free agent or two and take the next step in the rebuild process from train wreck to playoff team.
… and another thing … :-)
Apparently Tkachuk has told Calgary he will not re-sign with them. So that pretty much guarantees Tkachuk will be traded and odds are it will be this summer and soon.
With Kadri still out there looking for a new home, JT Miller possibly getting traded too, and now with Tkachuk on the market – I think there will be some opportunity for the Hawks to get in on the action by taking on a cap hit from a team looking to free up cap space to sign one of these players. The Hawks have over $10M in cap space with only Kurashev still needing to be signed – they have the cap space needed to do something. I doubt taking on cap space is going to result in a 1st round pick coming back but maybe a 2nd or 3rd which would be better than getting nothing for the asset of cap space.
ER, I like the way you think…. lol
Raptor
I agree that the rebuilding is important and that we don’t need Tkachuck now .
Hawks need to concern getting a maximum of pick in the first 2-3 rounds for the next 2-3 years and players like Tkachuck will always be available in a few years ( theirs always a player or two who don’t want to play for a team for whatever reason ) Gaudrau ,Eicher or another big name are there every year . So just be patient and get 2-3-4 first round and second round pick in next few years and see what’s coming out from the lottery.
And get a few big players to show other team that they are going to get hit badly iff they touch the young kids . Enough is Enough. Bring Aston Reese for 1-2 years now.
Now
The Hanson’s.
Call the pizza man.
Remember we can do what ARI did and trade a 28 33 70 for the 11th pick and get another quality player like Nazar from trading up some 2nds coming from a cap space contract moves.
With doing it the right way we need to load and I mean load the young wave!
That means everything we do we do with
Bad Intentions.
A few things…
1.) I am starting to see that Kane is finally realizing that he needs to ask for a trade. This is going to be a shit-show no matter how you dress this roster up in 2022/23. I also agree that the Rangers are not going to trade Lafranierre, but they will give us Kakko, a 2023 first, and a high-end prospect, but not their top prospect. We have to take it!
2.) With all of these guys (Tkachuk, JT Miller, Nadri) all seeking mega-deals, and teams that want to acquire them do not have the cap space. This is where the Hawks come in the picture, we could take a terrible contract (no longer than 2 years left) and get some high-end prospects and picks to help teams in acquiring the aforementioned three stars.
3.) We need to move Murphy and McCabe in the worst way. We need to let Regula, Vlasic, Mitchell, and Phillips all play meaningful minutes this year! Also, I have a feeling that Beaudin really explodes this year under Luke Richardson, because the zone defense will not leave Beaudin exposed because of his size in the defensive end.
4.) This is the year that Entwhistle, Slavin, Katchouk, and Reese Johnson get a real opportunity to show that they can handle 3rd and 4th line duties. I like what these guys bring on the ice…talent and grit!
The hawks need to retain their cap space for potential Kane and Toews trades.
Any trade will need Chicago to retain salary for Chicago to get their best return.
Is there a Hawks fan who’s favorite player is Andrew Copp? Lol.
@Stape – looks to me like you are trying to defund the Copps! Honestly, I think Copp is a culture changer, and will be instrumental in making Detroit rise again. I wish that we can get a player like this when we are on our ascent.
Tommy, from your keystrokes to the hockey gods eyes. Couldn’t agree more on Murphy and McCabe moving along.
Stape, the cap hit coming back in a Kame trade will be offset, at least in part, by the part of Kane’s cap hit retained by the Hawks so the cap impact should be pretty much a wash in a Kane trade. Even if the trade requires the Hawks to use some cap space, it shouldn’t be much and with $10M in cap space, there should be plenty to accommodate a cap dump from another team up to $7M or more.
Bottom line, if you have a good team and a shot to the SC, then you trade for Kane and Pony up to get him…. Otherwise you’re just blowing Hot Smoke up your fan’s asses…..
What is equal value to kakko and 1st and high end prospect for teams that want Kaner.
COL
CAR
EDM
Figuring the 1st is similar range and high end prospect is to. Is kakko better then the what those other teams have for what player we would get.
I would like us to say no to NYR unless they give is lafrenia. Make trade with COL or other teams willing to go to. How many teams does Kaner Tazer have to choose 5? Or can they say this one team only?
Trying to see what will work with who.
Hawks get Tarasenko and STL #1
Calgary receives Kyrou, Acciari and Kurashev
Tkachuk goes to STL
Flip Tarasencko at TDL for another #1
Tommy Andrew Copp is not worth 28 million dollars over the next 5 years.
Roman Did you get the message? Hawks are in a rebuild. Tarasenko will not be coming to Chicago.
Raptor More money the Hawks retain on a potential Kane or Toews the better return for Chicago. I do agree that that the Hawks will bring back salary as well. I’m thinking Hawks will retain 50 percent especially because so many teams are up against the cap.
Is any top teams who Kane would go to have a player as good as kakko?
I think same we have to make that trade.
Just want to try to force a team like that and if they donot then trade with another for less then lafrenia. Basically make NYR pay up or say tuff and trade with COL. And watch COL beat CAR or NYR in finals and NYR will wish they did it.
Watch Kaner go NYR and Tazer fo COL and Tazer wins the cup.
Stape did you not read my last sentence.
“Flip Tarasenko at TDL for another #1”
Stape do you play Chess? Need to think at least one move ahead. Good players two to three.
Copp 25-30 goals
Here’s more wild speculation fun … or I’m off my meds – you decide. :-)
So Kane decides he wants to be traded to NYR AND he will sign a 1-year extension for “cheap” – let’s say $5.25M – so the Rangers get Kane for 2 seasons at $5.25M per year. For that the Rangers send their 2023 1st round pick, Kakko, and Brennan Othmann.
Reichel and Kakko play the 2022/23 season with the Hawks – but the team still sucks and wins the lottery to get the 1st overall pick in the 2023 draft.
Then NYR loses in the 1st round so the pick we get from them is #18. TB loses in the ECF so the pick we get from them is #29. So going into the draft the Hawks have #1 (CHI),
#18 (NYR), #29 (TB), #33 (CHI), #61 (TB), #65 (CHI) and #66(STL).
The Hawks select Connor Bedard #1.
The Hawks trade picks #29 and #33 to move up to pick #10.
The Hawks select Leo Carlsson at #10.
The Hawks trade #18 and #65 to move up to #13.
The Hawks select Colby Barlow at #13.
Bedard joins Reichel and Kakko on the 2023/24 Hawks – but the team still sucks and wins the lottery again to get the 1st overall pick in the 2024 draft (plus they have TB’s 1st round pick too).
The Hawks select Aron Kiviharju #1 overall in the 2024 draft – a generational d-man out of Finland.
THEN – are you ready for it … UFA’s Patrick Kane and Austin Matthews sign with the Hawks
The start of the 2024/25 season sees Kane, Matthews, Bedard, Reichel, Kakko and Kiviharju in the lineup. Othmann, Nazar, Carlsson, Barlow, Korchinski, Kaiser, Rinzel, and Commesso should be either joining the 2024/25 team or in 2025/26.
Carlsson-Matthews-Kane
Reichel-Bedard-Kakko
Othmann-Nazar-Barlow
Kiviharju-Korchinski
Kaiser-Rinzel
Commesso
OK … I’ll go take my meds now …
Roman If the Hawks goal is to try to finish last overall to try to get Connor Bedard in next year’s draft please explain how picking up Tarasenko will help accomplish finishing last.
In Copps first 7 years in the league his best year was 21 goals. Definitely not a player that I would pay to watch. Winnipeg got the Rangers first round pick plus plus for Copp and I’m sure the Jets are still laughing about that trade.
Staoe your right right. Our superstar goalies (read suckie) and our veteran (slow,zone would help) DMen. Plus don’t forget(I did) our fantastic depth 1 thru 4 down the middle centers. Adding Tarasenko could put us over the top.
I got a move you might like Stape. We get Tarasenko with a pick from STL. Then we send him to LA retaining $3.75mil for Ardvisson and a #1. I think LA would want to double their player point production from 40 to 82 and save $250k for a high pick.
Roman I agree that we suck and until the trade line we might have Tarasenko, Toews, Kane, Seth Jones, Domi and Athanasiou. Have you checked Montreal and Arizona they might suck as much or more than Chicago. Especially because they are trying to finish last overall as well.
Odds makers currently have Arizona finishing last.
The reason I put plus plus in the previous post is because Winnipeg received more than a first and a second round pick from the Rangers for Copp.
Got a question for Ian if you are out there. Or Mo if you know. Does Keith’s recapture penalty go against our ability to retain part of three contracts? My answer is no because it is a penalty.
In my three moves ahead thinking I send Ardvisson back to Nashville for a pick. I think he was a fan favorite there. We can retain $2mill or take Scission from them. Think Scission falling out of favor there. Still Nashville going from 9 goals to 20 goals with the move. The drawback is Scission has 4 years left but only at $2.8mil.
Don’t want to retain to many because to move Toews we will have to retain. We might get away with not retaining for Kane but need a spot open in the event we need to retain.
Roman I like the fact that you are trying to get the Hawks another first round pick. If the Hawks do something like that next season when Toews and Kane are off the books it would be really good.
Take on contracts for picks.
Tommy Ivan–Excellent post @ 7.43am
ER– You forgot My pink Pony -in your DREAM/off meds post…lol
Unfortunately Ian is not here anymore ,I just hope he is ok .
I think that Hawks are getting around 5 millions in a kind off penalty this year and a bit more then 1.25 million next year.
It’s not really good for the Hawks ( to get bad contract from other teams for draft pick or young prospects. ) but that the way it is for now .
Summer is not over yet.
Raptor
You are really funny with your plan .but you need to wake up it’s just a nice dream . ;)
I really like the scenario where we take Tarasanko and a #1 from STL and flip Tarasanko at the TDL. However, I would only do that if we can trade Kane to the NYR for the package that I proposed and Towes to COL, for whatever they give us. We don’t want Kane, Tarasanko, Toews, Anathanisou, Domi, and Tyler Johnson getting their second wind and taking us out of the Bedard sweepstakes. We want to keep the games close, but not win. We need to pull a Seton Hall type of scenario!! Close, but no cigar!
In regards to Copp, he will score 25+ goals if he stays healthy, in fact I predict he will score 30+ goals because he will get first line minutes, PP time, and 20+ minutes of ice time. Things that he did not get in WPG. Stape – I wish I could bet you a 12 pack of your choice if I am wrong!
Also, I love how we have over 400 comments on this site, and NO ONE comments on BleacherNation! It’s just not comment friendly like this. Even though, I do read all of Tab’s articles. Keep up the good work on BleacherNation Tab, but this is where we prefer to comment on all Blackhawk and hockey related items. This is our hockey family and we do not want to be separated like foster kids! ;)
Honestly to me Copp is an nhl plug, a third line player at best. I would not pay $5 to watch Copp play.
Kyle Connor is the best player on the Jets by far. Unfortunately for Connor he gets stuck playing with Dubois who reminds me of Brandon Saad. Hands of stone with no real finish and no real play making ability. If Connor played with Marner or McDavid he would lead the nhl in goal scoring. 60 goals plus.
Bluto, I’m keeping my eyes open for a pink pony, but now that I’m back on my meds I wouldn’t hold out much hope. :-)
Laine re-signed in CBJ. DuBois signs his 1-year QO in WPG.
Hmm … some of the dust has settled. Still have Tkachuck and Kadri to get settled. I would think once the two of them find new homes that Kane will have a clearer view on if and where he may want to go.
do not discount the possibility that kane would prefer to be the hawks all time leading scorer rather than win another cup with a different team.
davidson needs to sit down with 19 & 88 and explain they are on their last contract with the hawks in no uncertain terms. the only asset left on their contracts is as trade bait.
More dust has settled with the big Tkachuk trade. At first glimpse it looks like Calgary won the trade big time but Huberdeau and Weeger are both UFA next summer – so unless Calgary can get them to extend they will be right back in the same boat next season.
Florida’s problem wasn’t that they didn’t have scoring or play with enough edge. Tkachuk has a lot of redundant talent for Florida, but I don’t think he gets them over the hump. They gotta figure out how to stop teams from scoring in the playoffs and still manufacture some goals to win.
Not many Hossa or Toews type players out there any more.
Wouldn’t mind helping Vanc with their cap space. The only thing I see them moving for a very decent pick is Tyler Myers. Of course OEL but that has too many years on it. Forgot who said we don’t want anyone taking advantage of our younger players. Myers will help prevent that. Move him at TDL retaining something if we have to. I am looking at anyone we get as to receiving two picks. A pick for taking him and a pick for someone to have him.
Er, I fully expect Kaner to come back as ufa when we’re deep again for his last few yrs five if he plays to past 40.
Yea I want speed skill relentless style players. Also want need some hoss toews style players to
ARI has a easier division then us that helps. They might be hard to beat until tradeline how close are we then to them. MTL does have two other shit teams in there division so that’s free wins agasint each other that is huge for us. 2nd place could be the ping pong ball that gets top pick.
Ian knows best I would say no to three retained they are for retained nothing else. I wouldn’t worry about bad contracts for four yrs since even when some of the young elites are ready we won’t have a full roster yet so keep them coming baby!
2nd or 3rd rounds picks are fine if we trade them up for more 1sts. More then half the league come from 1sts crapshoot or not.
My goal there is that first then any from 33-48 is good to.
Mo, I think AZ is now in the same division as the Hawks – so their schedules should be the same.
Yea pacific is weak overall. MTL division has three or shit teams ours has two so at least MTL picks up 8 more free wins then us from that. Is that enough. Yes. For ARI that’s tuff.
I am going with we beat MTL and it’s ARI CHI for 1st. That’s the two best positions to be in for top pick. Sometimes 1st gets it sometimes 2nd gets it. No matter what we’re getting off of those three franchise players. Generational player is hugest.
Only thing that’s not huge is 4 5 6th pick for 23 draft. We got a very good player at 7. That’s cool. Now we need our fair share of franchise players from next three drafts from our bottom 5 record.
This is the right way to win a dynasty or win more then once. Any other way you might win once you might not win once.
So that’s what’s exciting is we’re doing it the right way from scratch. Like a Saskatoon berry pie.
Gunna work in Blog page on Monday night… Friend gunna help me…
Way to go Billy and friend. Looking forward to it.
Don’t forget guy’s that even with 2-3-5 first rd pick if you don’t get the pieces that fits together then you have not reach your goal . Look at Edmonton ,how many cup in last 10-12 years .? They had 4 times in 6 years ( first rd) from 10 to 15 .
Hawks need to find the right pieces. And that not a easy task .
But iff you get 2-3 top 10 in 2-3 consecutive years then you might get the job done to find the 2010 -13 -15 Hawks team .
Love my Hawks
Correct 2010. Toughest jod for the GM is to find chemistry.
Toronto another example. Buffalo too. Colorado had a great start and has now finally finished.
Think about how little talent Vegas had at inception and how close they came to hoisting a very fancy trophy at the end of their first season.
More than just raw talent is needed. But it certainly isn’t a bad place to start.
Death in the family here… work on webpage this Sat….
ER, we really got this party started in here.
2010, yea got to find that nucleus. Hammer and Hoss just made it that much sweeter. We still win cups without them but with them made it so much sweeter. Those two players are champions. We can though if not get exactly what we need want for this can make a big trade where it’s a top elite prospect/young player for another teams.
One that gets us what we need for what your saying. So draft is vital but we can have a mistake and then trade to get better chem. Can only do that with other elite to trade with for.
Yea COL had two elite for ten? Yrs it wasn’t until they sucked and were bottom 5 record to get this defensemen.
Need both.
We had 2 and 7 then got our wave.
Let’s not go the ten yr wait route like COL did. Just suck all at once right from the start. Just like gm is doing.
I am for COL they went head to head with the red coats. They had have Sakic and that is Tazers kind of player.
The only way I am ok with Kaner going to NYR is if Tazer goes to COL and Tazer wins the cup.
Billy, condolences on the death in your family. Go to care of family – priority.
I forget who was looking for Ian I saw hm and jordyhawk on bleacher they were each on of two posts in a thread there.
They might not know we here posting again.
If tab leaves this up for one more yr with tradeline and top pick in draft those thread could reach 3,000 posts.
Interesting comments by Toews when Lazerus interviewed him. I let my subscription to The Athletic lapse so I couldn’t read the whole article but from the snippets it sounds Like Toews doesn’t want to stick around for the rebuild which hopefully means he’s amenable to a trade.
Toews didn’t like the rebuild announced 2-3 years ago and complained about a few things and it’s ok with me , he wants out from Chicago now that it’s a real rebuilding and it’s his choice , I hope he can start the season for the Hawks and maybe help the kids ( who can play with their Idols (Toews and Kane ) is attitude will help iff he can just concentrate on playing hockey ( and not controlling the organization) just play the game and try to get a very good 40-50 games then just hope that a few teams are interested in you then move on to another team that you want and can bring the Hawks a few prospects or first or second rd pick .
Maybe in a few years Toews can comeback like Shanahan did and help another way then a player with the rebuilding already done .
I wish him good luck and to be able to play hockey without getting upset about what’s going on with the team ,just do your job and help the kids who are excited to play with him .
His attitude can change a lot of things iff he wants.
Please Bring the new wave to the level you where at their age .
I wanted to thank you for years of conversation. And the unprofessional way the Blackhawks are being run I think it was a great move to shut down your site. Happy trails at the Bleacher Report!
Chicagofire, I don’t understand the inference in your comment that Tab’s decision to move away from this site is somehow connected with unprofessional Blackhawks management.
Raptor
Agree
I don’t understand CF comment , ?????
Change of subject, I have a feeling that Bleacher will maybe change the way to post comments , similar to what we have here .
It would be a smart decision iff they are open mind and want to get more people looking at Bleacher.
Or maybe it’s to complicate to do .
Let see iff they will find a way to do it .
Can Tab tell them that’s we us here want an ten everyone here since 2008 will go bleacher.
It’s a free login there just need to have it one post at a time and not Twitter style.
I broke the ice at Bleacher Nation and submitted a couple posts.
The problem is you have to go to ten different thread to find someone here you just go to most recent.
Mo, I know but eventually Tab is going to shut this down so unless Billy or someone else starts a new site – Bleacher Nation may end up being the new go-to home for old Committed Indians posters. I’ve started posting more at HFboards but I like the user community here better.
Also, I used to post at HockeyBuzz but quit that site because the user community there is too clique’ish, not to mention acerbic and condescending – not everyone but many of the old timers and then there is non-hockey talk that is supposed to be banned but often is allowed to continue page after page and hours on end. It was a shame because there are some long time knowledgeable Hawks fans there but the price of dealing with the “holier than thou” crowd was a price I decided to not pay.
Suppose to hook up on Saturday late afternoon to set up new blog page (AFTER GOLF game)….
with a friend to get er going… Need to drive Friday to Lake Geneva area, Wisc. for funeral … Let’s Go !!!!!!!
I don’t think anyone can disagree with Toews comments on the rebuild and the fact that he doesn’t want to stick around for it. He is 34 yrs old. Davidson has said it will be a 5yr rebuild. I have zero faith in a 5yr rebuild maybe 8-10 before this team is relevant again. Toews was the captain for our 3 Stanley cups and many years of enjoyment watching our team. Maybe he has a couple more years at best dealing with chronic fatigue syndrome. Chronic fatigue syndrome is actually a real thing. My ex was one of the early people even diagnosed with it so I saw first hand back in the 80’s early on and the many decades after that with her.
Bowman just kept trying to get us at least in the playoffs. We all know that was a failure and put this team many years in the hole. If Toews and Kane want to move on I am totally cool with that. Totally up to them.
In the words of Tom Cruise in Risky Business…Committed Indians…there is no substitute!
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Tommy has a Porsche ..hummm interesting I still have a white Concorde 98 ( no rust but a few scratches)
I don’t think that the Hawks are finish with the trade yet and I see. A few guys out there that could help for a season at 2-3 millions.
And can get trade at the deadline like Toews,Kane ,Domi, McCabe for young prospects or high draft pick in first or second round ,
According to David Pagnotta from the fourth period ( Dallas would be very interested in trading for Kaner. And a few other teams are also calling to see iff he is in the trade list .?
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For who’s here recently if when this blog is/out for the season we should.d have a backup being bleacher to go to. Then someone here makes new blog like this one post the info on her /or bleacher so everyone knows and tell those guys Ian jordyhawk whoever else is at bleacher we have a committed Indian 2.0
Billy, keep the faith.
Tommy Porsche/others, you recommend Land Rover Range Rover sport or xc90 Volvo. I know price is different.
I need cargo space for ski equipment. This is for winter and some in summer. Summer I have Jeep Wrangler.
Sup Hawks Fans….
The Good news… I paid for new blog website so it’s officially happening…
The Sad news is its not done yet, As my friend is working on the websites design …
The name is :
http://www.HawksTalk.net
gunna work on it again next weekend…
should be up next weekend or close to it…
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Anyway to get the site all lower case letters? Good to have a place. Hopefully site goes smoothly. Pic of dynasty players and those yrs would be cool to have. At first having a 2.0 of this place is most important.
Thanks Billy!
Be sure to let us know about what it is costing you and find a way for us to chip in for the cost. Most here are standup people who would likely be willing to share the expense.
And thanks again…
Hoping you are better after a tough time for you too.
Lower or Upper case Letters Don’T matter in webpage search … they only matter in passwords……
Hi Billy, thanks for taking the initiative and I agree with Silent that I’d be happy to help with the cost if we can figure out a to make that happen. I look forward to the unveiling. :-)
No I meant in the site address/which is prob already can’t change. For purpose of typing/being easier.
Have to tell Ian jordyhawk about the hawkstalk.
I have committed Indians and hawkstalk on favorites in the app form on main page so just click on. The lower case thing would be for faster trying it out like http://www.sssssssssssss.com
I believe it is setup with all Lower case letters,,, I just Capitalized the H & the T so you’ll clearly see the name….lol
Good eye. Some cellphone number keypads are small and hard to do upper case on the fly. Haha. That made me laugh to.
How about we get FL’s #1 in ’24 and JVR from Philly for Hardman and CAL’ s #5 in ’24. This gives Philly $6mil of room.
or
VAN’s #2 in ’24 and Myers for CAL’s #5 in ’24 and McCabe. Retaining $1mil of McCabe. This gives VAN $3mil of room. To entice them more retain $2mil. Gives them $4mil of room and saves them $4mil.
In either case flip JVR/Myers at TDL for picks.
JR, I like your thinking.
Get those picks. We want 1sts so trade up 2nds 3rds and other to get more 1sts. The only 2nds I want to see are 3 4 5 we turned into 2nds. Get that quality like ARI did with trade 28 33 80 for the 11th pick.
Roman
I really think that the Hawks are looking at all those possibilities to get the maximum picks in first 2 rounds for 23 and 24 .and I have that feeling that we will have a few nice surprise in the next 4-5 months . At the trade deadline we will have a shock I think and I would not be surprise at all to get another first rd pick and maybe 1-2 second rd pick that can become another late first rd.( in a trade )
It’s a real rebuilding this time .not a Stan way .
Hopefully they will choose the good players in the draft.
Scouts?
Let’s go scouts get out there and stick em.
Edmonton still needs to sign 2 forwards and is at the cap. Thinking Barrie McLeod & a #2 for Galvas & Cals #5. Would like to get away with that. If we must throw in Kurashev I would. McLeod a bigger centre and moving up 3 rounds.
Fla no cap room but no picks either. Would take one of the Sams but preferably Reinhardt and a #2 or #3 for Kurashev and Cals #5.
I know you guys and gals think I’m nuts but here’s another one. I know we want to Bebad for Bedard. Our goalies should be about 3 to 5 goals against. How about we get Panarin to at least watch some entertaining hockey. NYR desperate for room. Heard getting sour with him. We must get a number 1 and a prospect for the help.
All of the Breadman’s money plus a number one and Otthman for Toews with $5.25mil retained and Cal’s 5th. Gives NYR $6m of room this year and $11m the next three.
Gives us the Kaner Breadman show to enjoy for three years. Will make Kaner the alltime Hawks leader in every offensive category. Kaner will probably sign for $7 to $8mil for 3yrs.
JR, gonna have to disagree with you. If the question is to either (1) circumvent the total rebuild for a few years of fun hockey, or (2) stick to the rebuild plan and endure bad hockey for a few seasons – I stick to the rebuild plan.
ok you are right Ebony. How about we make the Buffalo Sabres Stanley Cup Champions! I would like to see that.
We get Breadman and a #1 with Otthman for Toews at 1/2. Then ship both Kaner at 1/2 and Breadman to Buf for 2 # 1s and Josh Bloom and Olivier Nadeau.
Puts us like the Dodger’s farm system.
JR, the more picks in the upcoming drafts – the better.
Would it be selfish of me to want 1st overall picks in the 2023 and 2024 drafts to go along with a couple more blue chippers from later in the 1st and 2nd rounds in 2023 and 2024. We’ll let someone else get the 1st overall in 2025 – we’ll settle selection in the 5-10 range.
In 2023, the Hawks select Connor Bedard 1st overall, obviously. Generational forward.
In 2024, the Hawks select Aron Kiviharju 1st overall. Generational d-man.
Yep, that should do it.
Just like 19 88.
Omen.
Wow Calgary replaced a Gaudreau with a Huberdreau. Guys here crying about a 27yr old with an 8yr $9.5mil contract. How about a 29yr old with a 9yr $10.5m contract.
Top five or bottom five.
All I need is some tasty waves a cool buzz and I’m fine.
I’ve gotta comment on Bleacher Nation – the articles are good and worthy of attention, but the comment sections are for the most part non-participatory. I suspect it’s mainly because it’s not obvious there even is a comment section, let alone it would facilitate a community experience of dialogue with fellow fans of the team. I’ve gone into the comment sections of many of the articles over the past couple weeks since I became aware they exist and are open to all and found many of them have zero comments and several having at most 10 or so.
I’ve been commenting at HFboards a lot more lately because I’m seeking an outlet for my hockey/Hawks fandom but it isn’t a place where I feel “at home” like this place was. I’ve also lurked at HockeyBuzz which has some commenters I really like but it also has too many commenters who don’t contribute in a respectful way I can appreciate and there are just too many of them for me to feel invited to contribute.
So, my hope is JR and his friend can come riding in to the rescue (no pressure :-) ). Until then I’m happy to have this forum as a lifeline.
Yes 2 stupid contracts.
And Hawks didn’t want to give a 7-8 years contract to DCat ( 24 y o ) at probably 8 millions/year .
It’s done so I want to focus at the beginning of the new wave that is starting NOW
already we have a few young pieces that will play this year for a few games or more
Raddysh, Mitchell,Reichel ,Entwhistle , R Johnson. Teply .Philips .Slaggert and a few more .all those kids around 20-21 y/o .
So we will have 10-12 players with almost no NHL experience.
Let see the moves in the next weeks and months ..
It’s exciting to look and interesting to have no stress to make the playoffs.
Isn’t life beautiful .
Love my Hawks
I admit it – when it comes to my opinions on Hawks prospects – I’m easily swayed from hardly knowing the player exists to projecting him to be an NHL caliber player. :-)
I saw Ethan del Mastro was added to Canada’s WJC team which led me down a rabbit hole of del Mastro youtube videos … and … surprise! surprise! … del Mastro is now on my exited to watch list and moved up my board of prospect rankings. Gotta love his size at 6’4″ / 210lbs and he skates pretty well.
Can’t wait to watch the WJC coming up soon.
Bleacher, I looked back when this site was going off-season and did not see any comments section. Then again looked at bleacher before draft and saw nowhere to comment. It wasn’t until I was ready about trades at draft did I scroll lower to look at more stuff on bleacher did I see hidden unless you click on it a thing that says see comments/they are in hide mode u til you click that.
That is prob the best way for no one to find the comments section. Prob could not be done a worse way/to find it.
Twitter style is for f book and espn kind of people. I have respect for Twitter but not f book since owner screwed over his friends/partners and espn is a joke for hockey and some college sports. Those places are for flatlanders/the general public.
Bleacher might be best place now except I imagine 95/100 people can’t find it or know it’s even there/comments section.
Until halkstalk is ready and this site/thread here we’re on is on the it list then I will post at bleacher to.
ER, make sure you let us know if when this site is closed for season where your posting. I prob only go bleacher unless there are 0-10 comments there although I am cool with talking with Ian jordy and the few there. I donot go buzz other. We need the hawkstalk or other guy here to get a site like this going so we have two options and just go both.
So I be at bleacher u til then/after we can’t post here. Otherwise I am only talking to Ian jordy.
2010, I think once everybody let’s go of the trades draft stuff and realizes this is the right way/stratch himemade pie then it will get really exciting. The players we already got there’s some good pieces there and even if they donot look good because they are playing with 35 yo vets to finish off careers/good for them it’s not how good they are/are at. Unless with 19 88.
We do need some Hanson’s because we can’t have people getting close lined out there when they get feet wet.
There’s no pressure to do good they can just take next steps in development and go at the right pace for that. Could not be any better in that regard.
Less is more for getting high end players from draft with bad records coming.
I usually think big and know some won’t be good. I expect to get fair share of very good players from top 15 picks that’s where the bulk come from/this isint baseball drafts.
ER, I used to go to world juniors every summer up here in lake placid isint far from me. Watched teuvo and talked to bowman and Kelly diff yrs. got drunk with swe coach’s and lots of girls. Blast this yrs. then they had to move to DET?
Funny thing is older people there watching we’re routing for USA and had no idea world juniors is about prospects/top players in the world.
Also meet Bollands agent he though Marchand was better and I said no way man. Then said bill and can’t hear that he’s got two rings in his ears.
Is world juniors at least on tv for those who are not allowed in the state of Detroit anymore.
Who’s the other top 23 draft player is he at world juniors?
Ohh shit they didn’t play world juniors tournament didn’t know that so it’s the actual tournament this summer but with all players at pre season form.
So top draft picks will all be there then.
Reichel four horsemen that are still here
and
22 draft
23 draft
24 draft
25 draft
Let’s f ing go!
Mo, I enjoyed watching the just completed Hlinka/Gretzky Tournament. Canada won the Gold and was absolutely stacked with sure-to-be 2023 1st/2nd round draft picks, and that didn’t even include Bedard who will join many of those players on Canada’s WJC team which starts this coming week (I think). It was a bummer when the 2022 WJC Tournament got cancelled after only a few games last December – BUT – it’s being replayed this summer so we get a WJC Tournament now and then the 2023 WJC Tournament in December – so two WJC’s in 4 months.
From the rosters posted for this summer that I’ve seen it looks like many/most teams are taking the approach that the rosters for this summer will favor the players who were on the team last December (i.e. mostly 2022 draft eligible players with a sprinkling of 2023 players) whereas the 2023 tourney held this December will have the more normal roster makeup of players eligible in the upcoming draft with a sprinkling of exceptional 2024 draft eligible players. So, the 2023 WJC teams this December will have most of the high end players from the vaunted 2023 draft.
Here is a site that posts mock drafts. It’s done by a long time Hawks fan named Bill Placzek who knows many people in the Hawks organization and often has good insite on all things Hawks. This is his early 2023 draft that he’ll modify several times throughout the next year until the 2023 draft is held. He does a thumbnail on each player and although his sentence structure often should have been run through a proof reader and editor, the content is pretty good because he watches and evaluates the players with countless days/weeks/months spent on his evaluations. This early edition doesn’t have the thumbnails done with the exception of the top players and those will be edited throughout the year if needed.
https://www.lines.com/nhl/drafts/2023
Sup ppl…
Just an update… Hopefully launch http://www.hawkstalk.net tomorrow sometime in evening… Might need to work out few bugs and use ur opinions on other things as well…. Wish me Luck….. lmao
Go Billy Go.
…. So blog is sorta ready to go but friend coming over tomorrow evening to show me the editing bells & whistles on whats what… lol
And to clean it up a bit as needed…
http://www.hawkstalk.net
Huge debut tomorrow evening.
Billy, post when you go live. Happy to help if I can. My girlfriend for now is way to busy with her company she owns to have launched one ourselves.
As old Carly would sing – anticipation …
We are live…
http://www.hawkstalk.net
All new to me….
So funny…
Enjoy.
Ladies and Gentlemen
Billy’s site looks and works great!
click on “Fellow Hawks” post ( to post) at bottom of page … lol
Thx JR…. ??
My comment still in “moderation”. I know it’s 3:30am somewhere as the time stamp sez.
Didn’t know how to moderate comments…
lol…
Its up now !!!!!
Amazing that I got this up & running… lol
http://www.hawkstalk.net
just paste it in your Browsers address bar.
Wow ..congratulations and thanks for opening a new place to read and post comments.
You are probably very excited and you are learning many new things with this great opening.
Thank you very much
Hawks 2010
DelMastro will be throwing a few big hit tonight if TC needs him ( 12-14 minutes ice Time should be the minimum )15-16 mn would be very nice .+ he can be offensive .
Slaggert had a good game again .We are lucky to watch some of the best hockey with THE JUNIOR PLAYING In aug for the first time.
Go Hawks prospects Go
Is there a way to send out a flyer to everyone that’s posted here in last five? yrs by email.
To let them know the sites people from here are posting at bleacher and hawkstalk.
Looking at the game yesterday maybe Slaggert is ready for a big year with Rockford.
Always in front of the net doing is job . Plays with is heart and knows what to do to help the Team .plays physical, just 20 y o , iff he could gain 6-8 kilos in the next years he would be a good player for Hawks future.
Hawks2010
Hop on Over….
Thank you Tab …I am gone on Hawks Talk …. maybe you can pass to see us when you have a few seconds.
Have a great life and thank you again for all the time you took to take care of us with your site .
I will continue to read you on BN .
HAWKS 2010 .
Same here thank you for this blog it was the best no challenge.
Posting on hawkstalk with the guys from here and read bleacher for articles.
This will always be the dynasty blog. Well the first dynasty since the Oilers.
hawkstalk.net
Where you can chew the fat about the Hawks !!!!!