Marc-André Fleury Will Play This Season

On Sunday morning, the Blackhawks dropped a simple tweet that may have enormous meaning.

Of course, Marc-André Fleury’s nickname is Flower.

Soon after, confirmation started pouring in from NHL insiders that Fleury has indeed informed the Chicago Blackhawks that he plans to play this season.

Meaning the Blackhawks have, now officially, added the reigning Vezina Trophy-winner to their lineup.

142 thoughts on “Marc-André Fleury Will Play This Season

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:06 am
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    Interesting!!

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:08 am
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    If he comes to CHI will he have Stan’s assurance not to trade him?
    I hope not

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:36 am
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    Wtap right now he carries a m-ntc with a 10 team no trade list so that would have to be agreed to be a full ntc

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:37 am
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    I wonder if he gets an extension say 2 x $5 mil to lure him to CHI maybe with a M-NTC then he could move his family

    He probably thought he would play past his current contract anyway

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:37 am
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    Get him here and let’s complete the purge of this team,s soft underbelly. I never want to see any of those beatings that this team took the last 2 months of the season. And it looks like the Hawks brass is of the same thinking.

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:39 am
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    Ian – I don’t think his contract can be altered like that but if he had an extension that would be a new negotiation and a NMC or a new M-NTC could be added then

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:04 am
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    Interesting that one of the best parts being touted here of the acquisition was the ability top flip him at TDL for a 1st rounder.

    Now we are hoping to have him for 3 years. I suspect that would have to come with a full NMC too.

    What’s next? Goalie coach and GM? Are we paying to move his family?

    Seems to be a class guy who felt betrayed by Vegas manglement. He definitely likes to have fun when he is on the ice. Smells like Stanley wants him in a really big way. Almost sounds too good to be true, which would mean…

    No doubt – players are in control of personnel movements in the NHL. Let’s see the details of the adjustments made to the original deal.

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:20 am
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    SS – unless I misread I don’t think it’s allowed to make adjustments to the original deal which makes me wonder if an extension is part of what’s being offfered

    Just speculation on my part

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:46 am
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    Wrap thats correct i was thinking of a verbal committment from Bowman which we wouldn’t know about likely. Anyways guess he is playing.

    By moving Dehaan only and using the ability for waivers on Hardman,Entwistle and Reichel, which is not what i want to happen, just a reference point. The Blackhawks would have about 9m in capspace with only Hagel and Nylander as rfas unsigned. That also uncludes Shaws caphit to placed on ltir on opening day if they want to go that route.

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:57 am
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    Yeah wrap – I follow ya. I’m just getting some serious deja vu over mission creep in my corporate office experiences!!

    I really don’t want to see a 2 year extension with a full NMC clause. Nobody at his age is worth that. I could stomach Fleury with a flip at TDL, but if that has been ruled out, and we are forced to bribe him to come here with an extension…

    Yeah. I’ll stop now and hope I am wrong.

    But this is feeling like desperation if an extension is done. Why not do Crawford last year – a product we knew and was willing to be here cheaper – instead?

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:11 pm
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    No mention of any extension in the announcement – so far it looks like MAF contract status is unchanged and he will be UFA next year and a candidate to move at TDL

    Let’s see if Bowman does a presser and reveals anything else about the Flower acquisition and if any promises were made

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:16 pm
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    I think how they proceed on an extension with Fleury assuming he would be willing to sign one, not a given, would depend on 3 things, obviously how he performs, how Lankinen progresses and Comesso progression next season in what is a big opportunity for him to show he can be an elite goalie at ncaa level. How quick or slow or maybe even if he devlops will impact decisions for next few years. Maybe decide to opt for an ufa goalie next summer too.

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:21 pm
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    Well good. I wasn’t sure which way I wanted it to go but now that he’s decided to play for the Hawks I can get behind it and focus on the positive ramifications for the team which could possibly mean a trip to the playoffs with a chance at being more than cannon fodder.

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:22 pm
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    Bottom line: The Blackhawks are a better team than last year.

    How much better? I have no idea.

    But, I think it is safe to say. anything less than a playoff appearance will be a disappointment.

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:28 pm
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    This is just speculation on my part(I guess on all of our parts) but I don’t think Stan made any handshake or verbal agreement with flower not to move him mid-season. I think flower is a great competitor who knows he still has a lot of hockey to offer and he simply wants to continue to play..the biggest roadblock for him was probably the logistics of relocating to a new city and how to most efficiently do that with his family. If Vegas is a long term home for him, then they’ll probably keep their current home and rent a place in Chicago(I have no idea how old his kids are so I’m not sure if were other considerations with the new school year approaching as well)..but as for Stan, he wouldn’t be doing his job as gm if he didn’t listen to offers for flower at the tdl..hopefully, he had an honest and possibly difficult conversation already with flower and let him know that one of the reasons that he’ll be such an asset to this team this season is because he may also be a valuable trade target for a playoff contender during the season..especially with the Hawks ability to retain salary, a lot of teams could very well be interested in him at the tdl..and it’s Stan’s job to leverage assets when he can in order to build the best 23 man roster for the future. Now, obviously, if the Hawks are in line to make the playoffs next year, even better. But if I were Stan, I wouldn’t be doing too much to appease him..he’s a professional athlete who was traded. In professional sports, it’s part of the job. If he doesn’t want to retire, then that’s fantastic. Let’s get ready for the season. But that shouldn’t preclude Stan from listening to offers for him if we find ourselves out of a playoff spot.

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:36 pm
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    Does Flower take us to the promised land, I think not.

    He didn’t look all that good against the vaunted offensive powerhouse named the Montreal Canadians, but he is an improvement over Subban and Delia, so there is that.

    As far as the mentor to Lanks narrative being pushed, isn’t Waite a good enough coach to provide that to Lanks? His brother certainly gave us a great Corey Crawford who I’d still rather have “mentoring” Lanks for $3.5 mil less.

    Has the team improved, who knows. There are still quite of number of “ifs” that
    need to play out for us to be more than fodder for a 1st round exit if we get that far in the first place.

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:56 pm
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    Slayer – I agree – being traded is part of what you sign up for as a pro athlete and they are obviously well compensated to put up with those uncertainties

    I imagine he wants another contract after this one so he should be motivated to play well so we’ll see what happens

    For now I’m excited for the upcoming season – should see some salary moved out before puck drop in October whether now or closer to start of season – better sooner than later

  • August 1, 2021 at 12:59 pm
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    Lol, this group can’t even be happy about good news….

  • August 1, 2021 at 1:20 pm
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    Amen AJ67, I will leave the logistics of how Fleury got here and how we will keep him as another piece to improving to Stan and the bean counters. I imagine they are working on moving Dehaan, Strome,Connely,Connelly, and Subban right now. This team is better now and that is what I as a fan am looking forward to.

  • August 1, 2021 at 1:42 pm
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    Well this puts StanBo directly in the crosshairs now. The team is pretty much set. On paper the team looks like it has more talent than last year. If the team comes out of the gate hot there will be optimism and perhaps a chance to sneak into the playoffs. If not…………..they can wrap that “scandal” up a little quicker and the trap door opens up.

  • August 1, 2021 at 2:12 pm
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    They couldn’t get Crawford dry.. thus the “vertigo symptoms”… Had him almost dry like 2-3 months After he sat out in Dec.27th,2017 .. but then relapsed…
    So after contract was over, he was shown the door- nit worth a 3 year gambling contract….Sad because he was such a Beast…
    GO HAWKS !

  • August 1, 2021 at 2:34 pm
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    I’m thinking if Stan a can move DeHaan and Shaw’s contract this off season that would be a good piece of business added to an already successful summer

    Strome I think stays until Toews’ situation is clearer – maybe moved at TDL or maybe he surprises with his play

  • August 1, 2021 at 3:35 pm
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    Wrap you think after last season they still think that highly of Strome, had his chance and ended up scratched by seasons end. Can’t see him in the picture either if Toews is ready or needs more time.

  • August 1, 2021 at 4:14 pm
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    Ian – Maybe you’re right but moving Strome before knowing Toews can play at an effective level is a bit risky

    I know there are others who can fill in at C but let’s say Toews tries to play and is still having fatigue issues that leaves Dach and Johnson as your top 2 Cs – your 3C would be who?

    Borgstrom (unknown) Gaudette (unproven) Reichel (is he ready?) Carpenter (please no) Kurashev (best option but maybe more suited to wing)

    I suppose Khara could be an option but he seems better at 4C

    If they do move DeHaan and Shaw no need to move Strome yet anyway

    However if they do move Strome this summer then it’s a good indication IMO that they’re virtually 100% convinced Toews is good to go

  • August 1, 2021 at 4:27 pm
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    If StanBo was planning to get rid of Strome then why did he protect him in the expansion draft??

  • August 1, 2021 at 4:33 pm
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    He protected Kampf too and left Gaudette unprotected then resigned him and let Kampf walk. Maybe he figured he has some trade value and if left exposed in draft then Krakens would take him. Who knows.

  • August 1, 2021 at 5:32 pm
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    Maybe maybe not Pittsburgh or bust

  • August 1, 2021 at 5:57 pm
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    WRAP, Borgstrom,Kurashev,Barratt,Gaudette, Reichel,are all more viable options than Strome in my humble opinion. Strome whined and complained at the post season interview about being sat down. Historically opening your mouth gets you a ticket out of town. Strome is never going to be close to a top 2 Center. With him at best it is always 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I think either way whether Toews comes back or not he is gone.

  • August 1, 2021 at 6:40 pm
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    Fantastic news …really glad that he decide to play for the Hawks , it will be nice to see him with a Hawks shirt
    Wow. Big change in the defensive zone in less then 2 weeks adding huge pieces.
    Now my question is who will score goals for the Hawks,Kane,DCat , Kubalik..and ??
    Toews ? Dach ? ……… we will need more good goal scorer . Who ?

  • August 1, 2021 at 7:13 pm
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    H10 – lots of secondary scoring options some of whom should be successful although not all

    Nylander, Kurashev, Borgstrom, Reichel, Gaudette, Johnson for example

    TW – I’m reluctant to argue with you since we’ve been on the same page throughout this off season so I won’t

    I’m not a Strome fan just thinking of some insurance if Toews can’t contribute like we all hope he can – if Strome can have a decent year he’ll bring more at TDL if that’s what ends up happening

    However I’m not going to be disappointed if he gets traded this summer depending on the return of course – if he does that must mean the Hawks are confident in Toews returning healthy which is the best case scenario

  • August 1, 2021 at 7:17 pm
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    I’m with Tim W. This is great news. An NHL source in The Athletic asked “ Who gives away the Vezina Trophy Winner ?”

    A couple of things to keep in mind :

    1) Fleury was betrayed by the owner of the Golden Knights who assured him he would not be traded, then went back on his word. So the bar is pretty low for Stan to jump over. Just assure Fleury he is here for the entire year.

    2) For the “let’s flip him at the deadline “ crowd. The selling is over. Period. The Hawks are all in on making the playoffs. They are not bringing in Seth Jones, Tyler Johnson, MF Fleury, Jake McCabe, all for mega big bucks, to be on the outside and recoup draft picks at the deadline. To quote Patrick Kane to Pierre McGuire – “ not a chance, not a chance “

  • August 1, 2021 at 8:27 pm
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    HAWKS 2010, I think we have got enough scoring if Toews and Dach are 100%. Don’t forget about a very confident Hagel and Borgstrom with a dash of a better Kurashev thrown into the mix and maybe Reichel earning a spot. I actually think that we could use a couple of defensively sound backchecking physical wingers to put the cherry on top of this years creation. Stan has some time to make those final few moves. I think Strome and DeHaan could net us a couple of those multi purpose get your nose dirty wingers.

  • August 1, 2021 at 8:31 pm
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    DO we tradeline for 1st and 2nd or resign and he goes one yr at a time as the young wave emerges.

  • August 1, 2021 at 8:31 pm
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    Saw a thing mid day saying he said he was playing in CHI.

  • August 1, 2021 at 8:33 pm
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    You know how you get elite players to play in CHI. When people say

    Who would want to play in CHI?

    You get Seth Jones and then others will follow.

  • August 1, 2021 at 9:28 pm
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    @craig, the Hawks are certainly not thinking rebuild anymore..teams that are rebuilding don’t spend to the cap limit..however, except for McCabe and Jones, none of the players brought in will be with this team long term..flower is on a one year deal and Johnson was brought in primarily in order to free Stan of Seabrook’s contract..of course he has the pedigree to help our team this year so for this season at least, you kill two birds with one stone..but if the Hawks are 6th or 7th in the division with 30 games to go, and teams are calling about flower, Stan isn’t going to say ”sorry,not interested..it will ruin the optics”..whether it’s Carpenter, Strome, DeHaan or Flower(granted, one or two might already be gone before the season begins), Stan may not have a fire sale at the tdl, but he’ll definitely be listening..I look at this roster as a chance to make a one year run with, ideally, a healthy Toews and Nylander, a revamped blueline, and the addition of a couple of veterans who serendipitously ended up on our roster ..if it doesn’t work, then Stan could very easily move flower at the tdl, buyout Johnson at the end of the season, move Stome, etc..this roster is far from set in stone, this year or beyond-and I’m not convinced that we’re all of a sudden an annual contender for the playoffs..this roster still feels like it could have the legs pulled out from underneath it..

  • August 1, 2021 at 9:41 pm
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    If making the playoffs this season is the primary objective, and it certainly looks that way, then I think it makes sense to let the top young players marinate in Rockford this season and hopefully be better prepared to play NHL hockey in 2022/23. Specifically Mitchell, Beaudin and Reichel.

    With deHaan’s injury history, I’d like Stan to acquire a veteran RD to play behind Jones and Murphy – hopefully a guy with only one year remaining on his contract.

    If Toews can play and Dach returns to Bubble form and no key guys regress or get injured – I like the Hawks chances to secure a playoff spot and then it’s the proverbial “anything can happen”.

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:29 pm
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    Slayer, I don’t think Stan will have the opportunity to do all of what you said, if this current plan does not work.
    Stan is on the hot seat as is Colliton. If this plan does not work, Danny Boy is going to clean house.

  • August 1, 2021 at 10:54 pm
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    Were somewhere between the EDM type playoff teams and VEG type playoff teams/which I thought was a top 5 team until MTL beat them and WAS also kicked there ass like 4-1 so as good as VEG has been since they stole good players from every team and didnt earn it from scratch I guess they should be right behind BOS and ISL.

    I have ISL taking over BOS spot as they are the new BOS of the last 3 yrs and have more hunger then BOS does. BOS had it now ISL do. Not sure if ant team other then TB is a legit top 3 team.

    top 3
    TB only

    4/5
    ISL
    BOS

    6-10
    in any order
    VEG
    WAS? stil a top team
    STL is going to fade like NAS and others did they are next

    I would maybe have FLR and CAR as the top 6-10 teams now.

    WHO IS JOHN GALT?
    August 1, 2021 at 12:22 pm
    Bottom line: The Blackhawks are a better team than last year.

    How much better? I have no idea.

    But, I think it is safe to say. anything less than a playoff appearance will be a disappointment.

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:00 pm
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    he is an improvement over Subban and Delia, so there is that.

    Wow and I thought he was still a top 5 goalie in league like Crow was before retiring.

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:08 pm
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    Josh Bailey…..Get it done !!

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:17 pm
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    Another thing is we prob play a top 5/maybe 7 team in 1st round so other teams donot play a top 5 team until conference finals so its not about the round its about who you play.

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:18 pm
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    Borgstrom,Kurashev,Barratt,Gaudette, Reichel

    Tim, I like those names a good part of the young wave!

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:21 pm
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    I believe some of the good trades we get is from previous trades/which has us at good trade relations. We gave Lehner to VEG and returned the favor baby!

    CRAIG NIGRELLI
    August 1, 2021 at 7:17 pm
    I’m with Tim W. This is great news. An NHL source in The Athletic asked “ Who gives away the Vezina Trophy Winner ?”

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:23 pm
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    Just having 19 77 makes this team waaaay better then last yr. We did add a top pair guy a top 5 goalie in league another legit top 4 Defensemen/thats more healthy then 44 and lots of grit/hardnosers plus a bottom 6 player that is up to speed Johnson.

  • August 1, 2021 at 11:44 pm
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    ER, I donot think anything can happen unless you play an all candian division for 56 games and you play two canadian teams in first two round one of which is not a playoof team and other an all OFF team. What I mean is the division were in is one of the hardest so it will be very hard to win one round let alone two.

    What I do think it will do is make us better prepared for when were really ready by playing harder competition.

    Looks what happens to MTL when they play an top 5 team wipeout.

    I do see STL fading and DAL wont be there for long time NAS has already faded in terms of winning/upside. So we are on the verge of becoming the 2nd or 3rd? best team in division/with a full roster. last three yrs we played with half a roster.

    It is lining up good for us. Timing.

    I do think though if we donot have to play COL in first round we could win a round. Also think DAL and STL actually play this yr. In terms of the others CLB NAS I think we ll blow there doors off now.

    Need more of young wave to get established and having these good players for this yr is a good one yr full roster and bring in young wavers one at a time as ready and fill with youth speed skating forechecking backchecking. Then were good.

    Once TB gets older and salary capped/coming soon every top 10 team wont be as good as last decade so well have our 5-7 yrs of being a top team again.

    Whats exciting is were making a major jump this yr after 4 off yrs and were going to get better each yr until were HHNL quality deep and a top 3 team again.

  • August 2, 2021 at 2:07 am
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    MO, You know initially a couple of months ago I thought that we were going to be in real trouble with going back to Central Division play. After looking closely at what the other teams in the division have done so far and what happened to several of them in the post season,I am a bit more confident if we are anywhere near healthy. Colorado has lost a few key players and are a much different team now. Ditto the Blues as they are getting long in the tooth. Nashville tore apart their vaunted defensive core and went with youth. Winnipeg is a mess and not very deep. Dallas added a few pieces but again are banking heavily on Seguin,Benn,and Radulov along with an old Pavelski. Arizona was torn apart from the top down and lost several key players to trade and free agency. Minnesota looks young and strong but I do not know what the effect of losing Suter and Parise at the same time the way they did will initially have on them. All that being said,if Stan is able to make those last couple of moves,I like our chances to be much more competitive and successful especially not having to play the Bolts,Canes,and Panthers every other night. We will see.

  • August 2, 2021 at 5:24 am
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    I’m wondering what kind contribution they get from guys like Gaudette, already 20 lbs heavier and healthy. Is Connelly dead weight or has he got something left. Khaira just signed, what he will bring, Borgstrom who isn’t waiver exempt will play on nhl roster, where will he fit. Young guys like Reichel, Hardman, Entwistle and others do they start in rfd. or not. Will Strome and Catpenter be around. Expecting a healthy Dach with his 1st training camp will silence his doubters with a big year. Toews won’t play unless its at a level he is accustomed too and its looking more promising that he is going to all the time. Gotta like how everything is shaping up, now a little chemistry can go a long way.

  • August 2, 2021 at 7:43 am
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    my most distinct memory of him was a game vs Crawford when they both were brilliant, then proceeded to give up 5 of 6 in a SO. 19,88,10 all scored. ..maybe 2015. great game, exciting finish

  • August 2, 2021 at 7:53 am
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    Vibes.

    I have good vibes about Johnson and McCabe. Their coaches raved about them in a sincere, non-patronizing, way. Both will be missed by their fans. That was not the case with Nylander, Strome and Zadorov who seemed glad to be rid of them.

    I have good vibes about Fleury, everything I have read about him is that he is a class act, great person and positive influence. Whatever happens contractually aside, he should have a positive impact.

    I have mixed vibes about Seth Jones. As I asked before, what is his personal goal? What is he playing for? Complacency is a hazard for any pro athlete, especially when they are guaranteed a job for a long time and are paid big bucks.

    Overall, I have good vibes for the team. My only worry is coaching – can Colliton and Brookbank coach this roster and whether they have the patience and confidence to weather possible early season adjustments (in other words, not shit their pants if they lose a few games in a row).

  • August 2, 2021 at 8:14 am
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    Wijg believing in what the coaches are saying and buying into goes a long way towards having the right chemistry on the team. I agree that’s on the coaching staff to be able to ensure that.

  • August 2, 2021 at 8:28 am
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    Ian
    The defense seams to be solide if they can get the chimie together
    The offensive game is my concern with Strome ,Nylander, Connolly and Toews.
    I Also think that their is a few kid like Barrat, Entwistle who will be given a slim chance to play a few game to show their ability.
    I still have that strange feeling about Toews .
    We need a winning attitude from day one and we need Hagel type of players (warriors who are giving 100% when they touch the ice.
    ( I would also consider getting a new coach for defence.) a change in coaching staff is not a bad idea.)

  • August 2, 2021 at 8:36 am
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    Wijg
    I have a similar feeling about $Jones not sure he wants to give is heart for the team or he just play for the money . I don’t feel that he is a warrior who wants to win a cup or if he care doing or not the playoff .
    I am not a $ Jones fan .I hope I will become a fan when he shows the world that he is a top Dman in the league.

  • August 2, 2021 at 8:50 am
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    I think the coaching staff will be given a chance to fail – that haven’t had as good a roster as this before so they will have their chance but should it not go as well as Stan hopes there could well be a change

    As Craig said both Stan and JC are on the hot seat now and JC will feel it sooner than Stan if things go sideways

  • August 2, 2021 at 8:58 am
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    Lets give Seth Jones a chance guys before we start invoking the “He is just here for the $$$$” talk.Comparatively this summers other #1/ 9 MILLION per D Men are Dougie Hamilton-An offensive type who dogs it on the defensive end with his lazy play being covered up by the 4 other Cane studs on Defense. Cale Makar-An incredible offensive D man but if you take a closer look when he is involved in any type of large collision he is out of the lineup for 3 weeks. He is developing DeHaan shoulders. Zack Werenski- I love Zach and hoped he would sign here but some on the BlueJackets blogs think that Seth Jones covered many deficiencies and he also is becoming injury prone. In the end we will all see who made the best move. HAWKS 2010, If all goes right,Nylander,Strome,and Connelly will not be in the opening night lineup.

  • August 2, 2021 at 9:01 am
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    Prediction: Blackhawks fans are going to absolutely LOVE Seth Jones.

  • August 2, 2021 at 9:14 am
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    I haven’t paid much attention to what the other Central Division teams have done this offseason so I don’t have an appreciation for how an improved Hawks team compares. I’m glad they won’t have TB, FLA and CAR on their schedule as often, but it’s not like COL, MIN, DAL and StL will be like playing the Little Sisters of the Poor and even though it will be a challenge – I kind of don’t care about that because it’s going to be all about how the newly reconstructed Hawks play as a team versus how they play against the opposing team that night – at least early in the season while the pieces find a way to fit together and play cohesively.

    With the exit of Keith, Zadorov and Boqvist, that’s essentially a full game of d-man TOI that will in large part be taken up by Jones and McCabe – that’s a major change that may need some time for the d-corps to find their equilibrium, not only between d-partners but also with their interplay with the goalies.

    I’m less concerned with how long it takes for the forward lines to gel, especially if Toews returns as Toews. He can have a steadying effect on the forwards if he’s there to lead the way by playing a defensively structured game. Johnson will bring that same defense first mindset which will help the entire team be in the right positions and play with the proper intensity for the system to work better than it has the last couple years. New players like Borgstrom, Gaudette and Khaira and even returning players like Dach and Nylander will hopefully get caught up in the tide and learn to swim the proper way.

    Exciting time to be a Hawks fan and I haven’t been this excited for the coming season in 4-5 years.

  • August 2, 2021 at 9:37 am
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    @Tim W. – Uncertainty is not a criticism or an accusation.

    I think Tab may be right. I just hope Jones is motivated for whatever reason.

    Complacency is something he has to guard against – it would be natural to fall into complacency in his situation and he would not be the first to experience it.

    Some overcome it by setting new personal goals. Some do it by taking on new responsibilities, like mentoring. Others do it by nature, shear competitiveness perhaps.

  • August 2, 2021 at 9:52 am
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    I did a quick Google search using ‘pro athlete complacency reasons’ and found a lot of very interesting content on the subject.

  • August 2, 2021 at 10:46 am
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    Complacency, if any, disappears when you make the playoffs. That’s the key for this team. If everyone plays to their potential they could go a few rounds – look what the Canadiens did last year.

  • August 2, 2021 at 11:17 am
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    Question for Ian. If a player is traded (deHaan) and the team (Hawks) retain 50% of his caphit. Let say said player gets injured and the team he is on puts him on LTIR does the 50% that is held by the other team become LTIR. Just something that flew into my head.

  • August 2, 2021 at 11:21 am
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    @ JR – Great question.

  • August 2, 2021 at 12:25 pm
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    I’m curious why Seth’s motivation or lack thereov is being discussed. Was there something in his history that indicates there could be a problem in that department because I’m not aware of anything. There are plenty of pro athletes who sign big contracts and a few of them lose some motivation after getting paid – so it’s not a farfetched notion, but unless there is something in his past to indicate it – shouldn’t he be considered innocent until he proves otherwise?

  • August 2, 2021 at 12:26 pm
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    Seems likes Hawks dodged a bit of a bullet with Zhadorov filing for arbitration yesterday – whether he settles before arb or not he’s very likely to end up between $4 – 5 mil per

    Based on what I’ve read I’d rather be paying that money to McCabe (and probably not as much) so good job Stan and he got a third rounder out of the deal

    Also seeing that Danny Wirtz has announced that the Hawks will make the findings of the Aldrich/cover up investigation public – that’s very good and welcome news

    No good was going to come from hiding behind an unreleased report

  • August 2, 2021 at 3:49 pm
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    Tab
    I really hope i will be happy with $Jones
    We need to see him play with is heart every shift.

  • August 2, 2021 at 4:51 pm
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    When Toews and Kane signed their $10.5M contracts a few years ago – did Hawks fans question their motivation to play hard after getting paid and did they call them $Toews and $Kane … or is there something different about Seth Jones? Just wondering.

  • August 2, 2021 at 5:29 pm
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    Fleury has 3 kids boy 1 1/2 girl 3 & 5. has no intentions of moving his family expected to finish out contract in Vegas ! it’s a one & done here and he will decide after the season where’s he going & it won’t be Chicago ! get a solid D infront of him and you never no ! All in Stans going for with aging Kane Toews. it will be a interesting season if D stands on there heads and forwards back check !!!!!

  • August 2, 2021 at 5:32 pm
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    JR yes the retained salary follows the caphit, ltir, buyout. Only time it doesn’t is if a trade, retaining team no longer has a contract to trade and if contract moved again only the portion of contract acquired with contract can be retained. In other words if Dehaan traded with Blackhawks retaining half of his salary, then the team he was traded to trades him again, then only their half of the caphit is eligible to have up to half of it retained.

  • August 2, 2021 at 5:37 pm
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    I hope I really like Seth Jones and playing for a mid tier team could do that to a fellow. Did he play good in the yr they were deep and beat TB in playoff hockey style?

    Remember thats the place that screwed up a very good Saader after he was there for a bit. or was it Saaders higher caphit like people worry. It can factor in.

    Although I am going to go with when the team is deep and good theres is the right mindset and has to be right attitude of the players.

    FOr the team system if it sucks or is way off then like the players it will be switched to something different/that works.

    Nothing against these coaches/same for Savard coaches. What did they say in war games after further consideration I declare your defense system sucks!

  • August 2, 2021 at 5:46 pm
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    Hawks2010 i like the look of defence too, agree with Tab that everybody will love Jones, my own opinion for what its worth i see to start season at least McCabe paired up with him and the Stillman Murphy pairing we saw at end of season continue to be a solid shutdown duo. The other Jones will make a fine 3rd pair partner until 2 of Kalynuk, Mitchell and Beaudin are ready to be dependable offensive blueline combo, even if that doesn’t happen for another year.

  • August 2, 2021 at 6:12 pm
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    Is it me or does the Blackhawks website pic of Flury look like Adam Sandler.

  • August 2, 2021 at 7:42 pm
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    ER, even though this season will be way better then last 4-5 its that were finnaly able to add elite players and good players to go with young wave. To get back to top 5 team again. Bottom 5 or Top 5.

    Which ever players are not staying longterm thats fine let them tryout and keep adding as the young wave gets better/emerges. Along the way we ll keep the better players and prospects. Then its just about finetuning with hardnosers and whereever the league is at for trends.

    Upside every yr starting this season towards thata 2025 season that by then we ll be loaded and young wave will be starting prime and prime of prime yrs.

    Thats when Hagel Barratt kind will have a line with three hardnosers like Shaw.

  • August 2, 2021 at 8:47 pm
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    Tim W….. assessment of Hamilton SPOT ON

  • August 3, 2021 at 7:09 am
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    It used to be the Hawks didn’t have too many centers – lots of wingers but not enough centers. Finding the elusive 2C was an annual thing and often times a 3C or even 4C would be pressed into service to play with Kane to find a way to get him the puck.

    Not any more. Now the Hawks have an ample supply of natural centers, some of whom will need to be pressed into service on the wing – Toews, Dach, Strome, Johnson, Kurashev, Borgstrom, Gaudette, Carpenter, and Khaira on the big league roster with a few more down on the farm – Reichel, Entwistle, Barratt and a couple others. I suppose it could be thought of as a good problem to have, but just because the player has a “C” behind his name doesn’t mean he has all the attributes you want in a center – faceoff proficiency being one of those desired attributes.

    Of that list of centers – only 2 have proven to be good faceoff guys – Toews and Johnson. Carpenter is borderline but the rest of them are either unknown or not good. So purely from a faceoff perspective, Toews, Johnson and Carpenter are 3 of the 4 centers. But, Carpenter is probably not one of the best 12 forwards so should being better at faceoffs be enough to keep him in the lineup over a forward who is better in other areas?

    Course, there are reasons to slot players into a center role other than their ability to win more faceoffs than they lose, such as Dach who is projected to be one of the long term top-6 centers and giving him development time at the center position probably overrides his poor faceoff percentage.

    Like I keep saying, exciting times to be a Hawks fan. Looking forward to see how it all shakes out and develops.

  • August 3, 2021 at 7:13 am
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    ERaptor.
    Yes there is a difference
    First. J Toews and P Kane just had Stanley cup and was with the Hawks since the beginning ( never got trade) had already showed there value and still show their value when they sign their big contract.
    Second . Their number didn’t go down every year in the past 4 years
    Third , they where not at 3 months from being 27 years Old when they sign.
    $ Jones never proved a thing since arriving in the NHL but is a talented Dman .
    $ Jones need to show many things with this huge contract with those Bonus .
    I just replace the S by $ to start his first name. Because I think he is overvalued ,he should be at 8 millions $/ year . This make a big difference on the cap space for many years .
    Just my 2 pesos
    ;)

  • August 3, 2021 at 7:46 am
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    JR – if Hamilton and Makar who are both mostly offensive D men who routinely get beat in the D zone are worth $9 million and Werenski – Jones old D partner – who is also questionable defensively is worth $9.5 I think Jones is fairly priced and if he plays the way I’ve seen him play in the playoffs on a consistent basis (he’s got game at both ends of the ice) no one will be complaining about his salary

    Moan all you want but he would have got at least as much as CHI paid him as a UFA

    Top talent costs $ – as Tab said I think Hawks fans are gonna love him

  • August 3, 2021 at 7:47 am
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    Sorry that post was a reply to Hawks2010 not JR

  • August 3, 2021 at 8:31 am
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    Erap, thats crazy to think Zad would be 4/5m and when we think of capspace we ll have need were going to have Shaw Haan Zad 4m 4m 4/5m tahts 12 m for some good playres right there. Using 2 7 caphits to cover top pair guys/maybe a touch more then those we can add some good players on top of what we have now and keep every young wave player.

    Kubalik rise wont be much higher then hes at now 12 is already good for awhile and 77 will be some by then salary cap is going to go up each yr again so really we have th 12m from those players to use and extra.

    Get that 2nd top pair guy first then when were really ready see wht we need and add add add add!

  • August 3, 2021 at 8:35 am
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    Still be carefull until its final in courts by judge looking at every info because some people lie in those investigations/meaning they say someone was involved because there name was on a cc in a email when they were NOT involved it was just an email so I wait until judge looks at everything.

    If he doesnt then no one really kmnows the full truth/I cant go 100% by investigations they are/sometimes not 100% accurate. They due however are right usually for the person who did but not for others involved/or NOT involved.

  • August 3, 2021 at 8:48 am
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    From previous post.

  • August 3, 2021 at 10:17 am
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    2010, that sounds like a guilty till proven innocent mindset to me. You’re casting Seth in a bad light without any evidence so far as I can tell. It has nothing to do with his stats – it’s questioning his motivation to play hard now that he has gotten a big payday and unless you have some evidence to support your position it sounds unfair to me.

  • August 3, 2021 at 12:02 pm
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    Love the SJ aquisistion. My big concern is building a SC team with 3 guys acct for 30.5 mm in cap starting next year

  • August 3, 2021 at 12:52 pm
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    MIke R – agreed it’s a concern but Toews and Kane and Jones will only be $30.5 against the cap for one year – 2022-23 -then T and K need new deals which together (if they both return) will be under their current $21 million combined – it’ll be very interesting to see what that number will be but it will certainly be under $10.5 each

    However DCat and Kubalik will also need new deals the same year as T and K (2023-24) so that’s when a potential cap crunch could come

    All the more reason you need a pipeline of good young players on low $ contracts

  • August 3, 2021 at 2:03 pm
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    This is all great but now we need a coach that can put it together. JC ain’t it!!!

  • August 3, 2021 at 2:25 pm
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    Ian, impressive how much you know about rules/agasint the rules and every name of prospect we have.

    You should be in that taxi/van tv show where they ask people questions about Blackhawks history you would set a record.

  • August 3, 2021 at 2:27 pm
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    Wrap , I know we need Defensemen that can score goals though who is ufa next 36 mths that would be good for us thats top pair guy.

    One that would be good at Defense and decent enough at OFF because were going to have the cap space and need two top pair guys to be able to win.

  • August 3, 2021 at 2:40 pm
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    I read most of these comments, and I agree with those who are justifiably excited about the Blackhawks 21-22. Fluery is the best GK in the league, and I don’t care how he came to the Hawks and what promises were made. Great move. To me Tyler Johnson is going to be huge for the younger guys, and for Jonathan Toews. He will be another Stanley Cup winner who will get an expanded role, and will be a role model for Toews, showing Johnny that he can still be an effective leader as a 3rd line center. I am excited about the competition and development among Strome, Borgstrom, Reichel, and Kurashev. I am also excited to see Ian Mitchell and Wyatt Kalynuk growth from year 1 to year 2, especially where they don’t have to play in pressure situations at the start of the year; even though, Kalynuk really impressed me with his poise and decision making. This team has size, speed, depth, veterans, scorers, facilitators, defense, offense, goal-keeping, and Stanley Cup champions all around. Great off-season Stan, now let’s see what Coach C can do!

  • August 3, 2021 at 2:58 pm
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    Jones’ 9.5M doesn’t surprise me.
    Supply and demand. Value is important, but there are other factors.
    Only 13 D’s are currently getting $8-10M.
    $8M was pretty much the going cost in 2018-2020. (4 signed in the 8s; 1 in the 9s)
    It’s 2021. (1 signed in the 8s; 4 in the 9s)

  • August 3, 2021 at 3:37 pm
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    Tommy, I agree with your assessment of Kalynuk. It was a very short audition with only 21 games and averaging only 16:16 TOI, but he scored 4 goals and 5 assists and showed a good point shot and a nice ability to jump into the o-zone and drive the net or dish it. He was poised in the d-zone even with playing his off wing most of the time. He skates very well and has decent size. I’m very excited he can be a very solid top-4 d-man with another season or two under his belt.

    Stillman showed enough to think he can be in the 5-6-7 mix and he plays with more phyicality than Kalynuk but I think Kalynuk has a much higher ceiling and I wouldn’t be surprized if Kalynuk is paired with Seth by the end of the season with McCabe sliding down to 2nd pair with Murphy.

    So if Kalynuk can play as well as I hope by the time playoffs roll around, then Kalynuk-Jones and McCabe-Murphy can be the top-4 with Stillman probably the LD on the 3rd pair which leave RD on the 3rd pair for Stan to go get someone after he trades deHaan.

    Yep, that’s the way I think it should go. Someone get the plan to Stan please. :-)

  • August 3, 2021 at 4:14 pm
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    Raptor
    Evidence is right there
    The guy played 9 years so far in NHL
    Average 7 goals -25 assist / year ,minus 3 . Average PPP 9.1/year.
    This player need to show that he deserve 9.5 millions/year.
    Compare with Keith first 9 years at the price he was paid .Nothing to compare for sure.
    I don’t see him like a 9.5 millions $ / year Dman . I also know he could get same money with another team because Owner’s are stupid and pay to much for some players . We all know that …owners complain that salary is too high but they just jump in and offer long term 7-8-9 years contract then the cry after 3-4 years because they made bad decision .not always but often.
    Anyway I see it my way and you see it your way and nobody here is right or wrong. It’s just different opinions and I respect this .
    Time will tell in 2-3-5 years if this guy is really an excellent 9.5 millions $ player.
    My wish is that he overperforme and bring us to Stanley cup finals and maybe win a Cup or more
    Love my Hawks

  • August 3, 2021 at 6:23 pm
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    2010, the question of whether or not his stats say he’s worth the contract he signed is an entirely different topic than insinuating he won’t play hard now that he got a big contract. One is an indictment on the Hawks for signing him for more than he’s worth and the other is an indictment on Seth which would require more evidence to support that position than has been given so far.

  • August 3, 2021 at 9:37 pm
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    Let’s say everything with Evander Kane is proven false. Would you do an E Kane for deHaan with SJ retaining 3.5mil. I like the sandpaper.

    Or Strome for that matter. I think SJ needs D thou.

    Eventually you would have 2 Jones 2 Dachs and 2 Kanes. We can go after W Nylander next and maybe R Strome later.

  • August 3, 2021 at 11:35 pm
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    Aside from the real and/or perceived baggage Evander brings with him, I wouldn’t want the Hawks to sign him because he’s 30 with a $7M cap hit for 4 more years and We’re already trying to figure out how to prune the forward ranks. Johnson with 3 more years is enough high priced veterans – any more would inhibit the potential growth of cheaper talent like Borgstrom, Gaudette, Reichel, Kurashev, etc.

  • August 4, 2021 at 3:43 am
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    Roman

    SJ DEF is interesting,
    3 (Karlsson, Burns and Vlasic) are ages 31, 36 and 34 with CAP hits of 11.5M, 8M and 7M and with 6, 4 and 5 years remaining. Also NMC, M-NMC and NMC. All somewhat front loaded to discourage buyouts.

    Assuming playing their entire contracts, S Jones will be playing his last year at age 35; the SJ 3 will be playing at 37, 40 and 39.

  • August 4, 2021 at 8:47 am
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    Ebony I agree I would not want him at 7mil but at 3.5mil I’m interested. SJ could be interested because they would get around 10mil to use.

    Bob I checked out everyone’s D. 12 teams Buf Det Ana AZ Cal Sea NYI Bos Ed Phil Win don’t have a 7mil Dman. Ed and Bos have Nurse and McAvoy to sign next year.

    I too was saying 9mil was a lot for Jones but in the D landscape it is not. I believe a top 2 pair will cost you about 14 to 16mil. Of the fore mentioned teams I’m pretty sure some will add an expensive Dman.

  • August 4, 2021 at 11:39 am
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    10 Million is a lot to give to one player, let alone 3 when the cap is so tight. The Leafs are bemoaning giving Marner , a very good player close to 10 because they have 30 million for three players and are making very tough decisions around their goalies and defense.

    The most interesting situation in the NHL will be how to find the right stars, keeping their per year salary workable-and then finding the rest of the roster that fills the roles needed and the right muckers. Players, who are human, want to be paid, but that natural greed/want impacts ability to field a team that can compete for the Cup. Chicago is lucky that they won just before the big pay days for 88 and 19.

    Will players become more accommodating to salary demands to help the team win? Is 8 million over 6 years going to put anyone in the poor house, as opposed to 10.5 per? That’s 15 million to give to others. Is any player, perhaps McDavid, worth the money (in the fit of the team) they’re getting? But even 97 and Draisaitl are impacting moves in Edmonton.

  • August 4, 2021 at 1:22 pm
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    No to E Kane …no thank you
    We don’t need problem and drama …we already have enough.

  • August 4, 2021 at 1:27 pm
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    Noonan – Marner makes $10.9 and the Leafs top 3 players combine for $33.5 million vs the cap

    Jones extension doesn’t kick in until next year (21-22) so the Hawks top 3 will make $30.5 million only for the 22-23 season then T and K get new deals either in CHI or somewhere else so even if T and K remain Hawks that number for the top 3 will come down starting in the 23-24 season hopefully as the cap starts to rise a little

  • August 4, 2021 at 3:09 pm
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    @jr roman..I don’t think SJ would retain half of E Kane’s cap hit..he produced at a 65 point pace last year..I’m assuming that they would rather keep him then sell him for pennies on the dollar..if they were willing to retain that much of his cap hit, there would be a number of teams interested..however, I don’t think the Hawks would be one of them..as alluring as his size and scoring ability are, as @ebonyr pointed out, the Hawks already have a legitimate logjam at forward..I just don’t see the room for him on this roster..and I also have questions about his character and whether he would be a net negative locker room presence..these gambling allegations aren’t the first issue he’s had… to me it seems like drama follows him as @Hawks2010 correctly mentioned..

    @wrap..correct in terms of the cap issues..the Hawks really don’t have the same situation that Toronto has..we will have one year where Toews, Kane, and Jones have their expensive cap hits at once..after 22-23, a lot will probably change..my feeling is that Seth Jones and Cat will be the pillars of this team moving forward, and they’ll be the two most expensive cap hits on the Hawks with Toews and Kane playing more supplemental roles(I’m speaking in terms of their cap hits, not necessarily their roles or impact on the team)..I could see Kane re-signing for a few years at 7.5-8.5 a year and Toews re-signing for maybe 5.5-6 per(maybe not even that much..a lot can change in two years..depends how productive he still is)..regardless, the Hawks will have the cap space to determine how they want to build their roster moving forward..

    @tommy, @ebony..add me to the Kalynuk believers..I think he ends up on the top pairing with Jones while McCabe-Murphy flesh out the top four..and if both pairs end up being what we all hope they can be(the top pair being a legitimate all situations pair that can provide offense too while the second pair takes on the role of the shut down pair) the Hawks will be in business because between Stillman, Jones, Beaudin, Mitchell, Regula, Vlasic, etc they will have the opportunity to build one of the better third pairings in the league..

  • August 4, 2021 at 5:15 pm
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    Regarding the potential of Kalynuk on the top pairing with Jones

    That I agree that would be ideal but Wyatt needs to clean up his D zone play before he’s given top pairing minutes – I’m hopeful he can but until he does I have a hard time seeing him playing 20 minutes a night with Jones

    I know people are projecting his development through the season and that he might get there to the top pair towards the end of the year – again that would be great but he does have along ways to go in less than a year IMO

    Hopefully he gets there – I do like him and I think he could get there eventually but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t get there this year – he’s played what 25 NHL games roughly – it’s usually a slow road for NHL defenders

  • August 4, 2021 at 5:38 pm
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    Should have given Sanford a 3.5mil offer sheet after STL signed Saad. He signed for only 2mil. He would have been a great replacement for a 2nd rd draft pick.

  • August 4, 2021 at 7:10 pm
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    Wrap agree i am alot more cautiously optimistic about Kalynuk than most. Pegging him to be ready for top pairing minutes this year is alot expect, his impressive offensive numbers kind of masked his struggles on defense. His own opinion in a recent interview was a need to be stronger on defense.

    Hope he becomes stalwart for years, however an offensive flash in such a small sample can be misleading sometimes too. Thing that was noticeable to me was all the interest Columbus and other teams were reportedly showing in Boqvist, Mitchell and Beaudin, while Kalynuk never seemed to have teams express specific interest in him. Hopefully that doesn’t mean a whole lot.

  • August 4, 2021 at 7:23 pm
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    Readingbetween the lines of Stan’s presser this week I wouldn’t expect any additional moves before training camp

    Maybe DeHaan or Strome gets moved then or not

    The way the forwards are shaping up and with Borgstrom’s Euro clause something will have to give really only if Reichel makes the team – there probably is a 50/50 chance that he does

    In any event it’s going to be a dog fight amongst players like Gaudette, Strome, Kurashev, Nylander and Borgstrom for playing time and then throw Reichel into the mix – a lot to be sorted out

    With DeHaan the 7 D are set Jones brothers, CDH, Murph, McCabe, Stillman Kalynuk

  • August 4, 2021 at 8:33 pm
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    Wrap Borgstrom isn’t waiver exempt, so most likely he doesn’t go through waivers or somebody claims him. Looks like he will be on opening night roster and get a chance to play himself off the roster during the season.

  • August 4, 2021 at 9:49 pm
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    Hagel and Nylander contracts will likely not be high caphits with no arbitration rights and ineligible for offer sheets. Could force them to sign cheap one year deals or maybe offer a little more for a 2 or 3 year deals to buy some arbitration years. A one year deal and have to deal with arbitration eligibility next year along with Kubalik, Strome, Dach, Gaudette, Kurashev and Kalynuk. Plus Lankinen, Fleury ufas, could be interesting. Hagel looks like the one to lock up now, but if Nylander puts it together next year he could earn a high arbitration award and if Hagel falters may not fit in future plans next summer. Anyways looks like if he wants to not make minimal moves before start of season, in fairly good position to max out Shaws ltir on opening day however the rfa contracts play out.

  • August 4, 2021 at 10:33 pm
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    Plus BOS should have paid Krug what he deserves/hes worth but they are low ballers so really BOS would have two Defensemen at high caphits.

    Works for me though that those players left STL BOS screwed up STL thats ok with me.

  • August 5, 2021 at 12:15 am
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    WRAP, If I am laying money down on that training camp dog fight,I will take Gaudette,Borgstrom,,and Kurashev over Strome and Nylander. I think Reichel is going to knock Nylander out of the equation myself. I am still hoping that DeHaan and Strome are moved before training camp or during it if Borstrom shows he can play 3rd line Center.

  • August 5, 2021 at 12:16 am
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    IAN, Hagel is not faltering. You have my word on that.

  • August 5, 2021 at 6:35 am
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    TimW i feel the same about Hagel, been a proponent of his and Johnson since entering the Blackhawks system while playing in Red Deer. Think Johnson is being overlooked as possibility to fill the void at 4c and win a ton of fos, he has bern the type of player who has rewarded patience all through his development.

    Still believe a move or 2 is coming, they are just in a position now where it isn’t necessary if it doesn’t happen.

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:34 am
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    If anybody has a spare hour or so there is a podcast that came out yesterday with TSN’s Rick Westhead that talks about the Blackhawks and their role regarding the “scandal”. Its a must watch. You Tube: Rick Westhead on the Blackhawks|The Steve Dangle Podcast.

  • August 5, 2021 at 9:30 am
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    Wrap I think using the details misses the main point. I knew he made in the 10 million area. It was meant to be more of an open ended question.

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    Yea I like Cabe with Jones at first then go from there once the prospects are established and bringing it then align for the 2/7 4/27 layout.

    Sure you donot want to be too much top heavy but I think with TOR it looks bad because they are NOT a playoff team/that deos well they suck at D.

    10 of last 12 Cups winners had 50-75% of the top 28 caphits in league/before this summers caphits. Soits not required to have some but just about every team that wins Cup has 1 2 3 players with high/top 28 caphits in league.

    Think the ksy thing is like someone else said players that are big part of it and enough to have a good deep roster.

    We had a dynasty and that took 4 top 28 caphits players to do that we were lucky that Dunks Hoss did 5.5 instead of 8-10 but they were those kind of players. So if we have to have 3 at higher caphits thats what we have to do because you cant get lucky to have not one but two `10m players at 5.5 caphits.

    We donot have to have a dynasty again/this decade at least what we want is another Cup first then we can go for two moar!

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    Having Batman and Robin at 8.5 and 6.5 would do wonders for the salary cap like having Dunks and Hoss at 5.5 not when prime yrs though 2 81 a lot older then 19 88 are/were. I feel good vibes with that them being at 8.5 and 5.5

  • August 5, 2021 at 11:58 am
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    I’ve jumped back and forth a couple times on specific topics as well as the overall “win now” versus rebuild direction I would want the Hawks to follow. I’m slowly coming around to the “win now” side which seems pretty clear it is the direction the team is taking with the acquisition of MAF. While the Jones acquisition would fit with the long term rebuild strategy, the 37 year old MAF is definitely more the short term plan.

    Considering the ability of Toews to play in the short term is still an unknown, the long term is even more questionable. So, maybe squeezing whatever Toews can give this season tipped the scales to the “win now” side. Hopefully he has more seasons left but who knows?

    So, with this slow mindset change, I’ve kind of changed my mind on wanting to get rid of deHaan to free up TOI for Kalynuk or other young d-men. Given deHaan’s injury issues, nothing is a given, but strictly from a “win now” perspective – having him in the top-4 with Jones, McCabe and Murphy is probably the best top-4 the Hawks can ice, at least in the early part of the season and in true win-now mode it will be important to get off to a good start of the season to not get buried in the standings early.

    And, I’d still want Stan to acquire a veteran d-man to be a solid #5 to pair up with Stillman, C.Jones, Kalynuk or ???

  • August 5, 2021 at 1:01 pm
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    “win now” to make the playoffs?
    There are probably at least 25 teams in win now mode. How many of these teams have a realistic shot at winning the cup?
    You can start by removing every non playoff team from last year as a realist cup contender.
    If the Hawks goal is to squeeze into the playoffs and have no real chance of winning the cup all I can say is who cares?
    This win now logic is going to put the Hawks in mediocrity for years to come.
    For all the hawks fans who think Toews after missing a full season will come back and be the Toews of old could be in for a big surprise.

  • August 5, 2021 at 1:23 pm
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    My win-now comments are based on the moves the Hawks have made this offseason which indicates to me they have moved from “let the kids play” to “win now”. Whether or not that’s the best strategy to employ is open for debate, but if that is the direction the team is taking then I would like to see as much success as is possible this coming season.

    I am fully onboard with the Cup or bust mindset but since I’m not part of the decision making team, I plan on enjoying this upcoming season in every way possible and if that results in not even making the playoffs, then I hope the games are fun to watch and I’ll be happy with whatever I can get as a fan.

  • August 5, 2021 at 1:51 pm
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    Well put ER-
    hopefully fans can enjoy the course that is being taken, it’s not our to control.

  • August 5, 2021 at 2:58 pm
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    That’s what makes a site like this great.
    Everyone should be allowed their opinion.
    I believe Stan Bowman has one plan and that is to save his job.
    I believe a team like the Detroit Redwings are well on there way in their rebuild and will eventually blow past the win now Hawks that Bowman is currently building.
    Time will tell us all if Bowman was right in trying to make the hawks a playoff team or if Yzerman was right in trying to build a Stanley Cup contender.

  • August 5, 2021 at 4:38 pm
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    Detroit has been spinning their wheels in rebuild mode for quite a while now, They seem to finally have the right guy at the helm and they probably will get back to contender status within the next few years. I’m not sure they’re really in better position than the Hawks though. The team that seems closer to becoming relevant again than the Hawks or Wings is the Kings. Their prospect pool is the envy of the league and they should rise above the crowd in a few years when those prospects get to the NHL level.

  • August 5, 2021 at 5:48 pm
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    Rebuilds don’t happen over night or over a couple of years. “Stan”
    If people think being patient equals spinning your wheels everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    In my opinion Moritz Seider was as ready and probably more ready for the Nhl than Kirby Dach. Bowman rushed Dach to the nhl…Why?
    Bowman also rushed Adam Boqvist to the nhl exposing the kid Boqvist to playing against men in the nhl and having the I don’t like Boqvist squad out in full force on this site.
    Detroit will get another high first round pick as well as Washington’s first round pick and the Hawks even though people say Boqvist was the only loss for Chicago in the Jones trade will be without next years first round pick.
    Seider will become Detroit’s Jones for ten times less the money and will be a stud defenceman long after Jones has retired.

  • August 5, 2021 at 5:59 pm
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    Correction- Detroit’s first round pick from Washington was for this year’s draft not next years and Detroit flipped the pick to move up to the 15th pick taking Sabastian Cossa.

  • August 5, 2021 at 7:07 pm
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    “Seider will become Detroit’s Jones for ten times less the money and will be a stud defenceman long after Jones has retired.” That’s quite a confident statement. If he, in fact, becomes a stud he will command a big contract once he is an RFA with arbitration rights just like Makar, so there is no way he will cost significantly less than Jones.

    No matter how you approach a rebuild it is very difficult to keep a top team together for long in the current cap environment. Now top players require big contracts as soon as they have arbitration rights well before they become a UFA. A team like the Rangers will only have a few years before key young guys will need big contracts and yet their team is still trying to make the playoffs. The Hawks will be competitive and if they make the playoffs anything can happen. In the meantime we kept all of the young guys except for Boquist and have quite a bit of cap flexibility in two years if things don’t work out.

  • August 5, 2021 at 7:13 pm
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    Havnt read those posts yet when I saw win now I thought lets not do a MTL were not here to be a all candian division and 1st 2nd round of playoffs and beat a worn out playing hard to beat future top team COL and get blown rightfully so which shoul dhave been the 1st 2nd round by BOS ISL.

    So we could win and go conference finals though I would ok whatever we do is fine its about building towards the 23man and whatever we do each yr is fine its about the big picture top 5 or bottom 5. No EDM or TOR way of doing it just get it done theres no dynastys anymore in salary cap we were the onlyh ones that will do that. Even if a team wins 3 its not the same. Bookends and watered down donot count.

    Those are NJs.

    I want to keep building toawrds in next 36 mths keep pushing donot stop I want mother hardnoesers and get me Barratt when hes ready because Hagel Barratt and another my other brother are going to Shawzer line.

  • August 5, 2021 at 7:21 pm
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    ER, donot get me wrong I will be there side by side with a key upside down from Swig on road trips.

    Just want to build it and if we do a 2009 in next 24 mths thats cool though I want moar then that midterm/longterm.

    Hey Nemo was here for a part of Fury can be to.

  • August 5, 2021 at 7:22 pm
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    kegs.

  • August 5, 2021 at 7:33 pm
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    This is where I see us having 2 of 7 elite players until Jones and four more to come to get back have to be deep and no exact plan on 7 core and others just that thats what it take for a dynasty so a Cup would take 5-7 and HHNL deepness now with league watered down so taht STL and WAS could finally win and TB break through/even though they are the best team since 2015 Blackhawks dynasty yrs.

    Point/overall is build it back up to close enough of where we had we know the blueprints for a dynastys so lets get it as close to that as we can and thats top 3 now or better.

    Its going to take a few high caphits and other stuff we wernt stuck with the unstuckable 7 contract when we wanted to unload sure its a good player for more yrs then you say want/and I was saying whole time just let the 7 caphit run out on its own we have time/so what are we doing here.

    Its ok because were not that ready until another more yrs though we can upside/gain like we did in 2008 and 2009.

    I love and will always remember when Tazer scored a goal agasint DET and I could fell it that was the last time those red coats would get the better of us. tazer was taking over and he did. Then Hammer put those tuck tail and run Flatlanders to bed. Refs tried for 40 penaltys a game and the Hammer Saad kicked in head skate? WTF is that the most ideal Flatlander of all time in these 20 yrs.

    What a Dou.

  • August 5, 2021 at 7:37 pm
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    This is why I wanted a top 5 or 10 quality draft player/and Jones is that and not a 19th area even though as others are right we got LUCKY woth Reichel and Lankinen!

    Stape,
    If the Hawks goal is to squeeze into the playoffs and have no real chance of winning the cup all I can say is who cares?

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:21 pm
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    Nothing agaisnt Stape/others I saw Yzerman in 2014 in Lake placid and he watched me scrap the blue paint of my knuckels being the coolest dude in the stands and then talk to the Kelly and Blackhawks people. Not saying he doesnt know waht he is doing as soon as he left Tb they won so maybe he is a really good builder not a finnisher IDNK.

    What I was going to say is I loved him watch me scrap that paint off my hands as it shoeed I wasnt happy with LA/CHI winner or ref two uncalled and a hiogh cross bar goal and offsides goal to name a few I felt like a dude and stood out amounst the people in ethe stand other then gms/etc. I was there for one reason to get it done and show I wasnt satisfied and I did/we did by winning another Cup.

    Now heere we are have nothing agasint Zyeerman just that Tazer id a better hockey player and a better dude and I ll have words in the parking lot with anyone who says otherwise.

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:23 pm
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    I painted a model chicks house on the lake there/shes pretty hot and her boyfiorned is a doctor. Cool. I didnt hit on her just showed her my jeep.

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:34 pm
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    DET, good for them right in time for us to there ares again even if we have to do it with refs that let them get away with 40 penaltys a game and a Hammer/ohh I mean kick skate to Saaders head by a douch knee.

    Look forward to it!

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:36 pm
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    Thing about DET is they have no 19 88 and others we do sure they could load up better then us longertermwise.

    Timing.

    We could fit in like PUT did or others before its gets deep again.

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:38 pm
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    I see it as lets go and do it then when 19 88 retire use th cap space and get some more elite ufas and were still there with the Red Coats.

    I will fight them.

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:38 pm
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    DOnot get scared this is the last post for now.

  • August 5, 2021 at 8:48 pm
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    Load young wave!

    Its ok to have some fun alomg the way hey what do ‘they’ say the draft is a carpshoot. Let get lucky with Reichel Lankenin and roll from there.

    19 88 didnt come to us for no reason and it wasnt just for one dynasty it was for everyone of us and them.

    Fathertime can suck my on thaaaat!

  • August 5, 2021 at 9:39 pm
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    For me, being a fan of the Hawks means I stick with them through thick and thin and faithfully watch every game I can – regardless if they are having a winning season or not. I can’t fathom not caring if they make the playoffs when I know they have little to no chance to win a series, let alone the Cup. Others may feel that way and that’s their prerogative – it’s just not the way I’m wired.

  • August 6, 2021 at 8:34 am
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    Morrison
    Wow you just broke your own world record… haha 13 post in a row …hahaha
    I will read them later when I have 10. Minutes .
    ;)

  • August 6, 2021 at 11:52 am
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    @STAPE Aug. 5, 5:48 pm
    “In my opinion Moritz Seider was as ready and probably more ready for the Nhl than Kirby Dach. Bowman rushed Dach to the nhl…Why?
    Bowman also rushed Adam Boqvist to the nhl exposing the kid Boqvist to playing against men in the nhl and having the I don’t like Boqvist squad out in full force on this site.”

    Agree Agree Agree

    Two years ago I stated that Bowman rushed Dach and believed there was some
    desperation behind this. Dach would have been better served spending at least a half season in the WHL working on FO and everything else. I also posted that they rushed an unready Boqvist for the same reason.

    Some of you think that the nine year commitment to Jones at a high price is a good move, at the expense of Boq, two 1st-rd and one 2nd-rd pick. For this trade to make sense, Jones needs to stay healthy and very productive for many years to come (fingers crossed). Am amazed when people post that after the sixth pick or so, it’s a crap shoot. Teams don’t stay viable for long when they keep coughing up high picks, as Bowman has done. The Hawks now have one of the weaker systems in the NHL.

    If you look back, StanBo mainly operates in win-now mode. This doesn’t work over the long haul.

  • August 6, 2021 at 2:16 pm
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    Not going against what your saying thinking of how many 1sts did we trade during a dynasty

    1996 to 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2105 2016 2017- just two times total
    2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022- two times here if you count the 11th for 32nd otherwise just one time

    SO for the most part we have kept or had extra every 1st round pick since 1996 except three times? So not sure why prospect pool is weaker.

    Everybody here know how I feel about top 10 quality draft players compared to 19th area/or 32nds. So we not get the kind of player I wanted/though Jones is a top pair quality.

    For the 11th Craig said organization didnt really like the players left then more then a top pair guy the question is is Jones better then any of the ufa top par guys in next 36 mths and rememember we need two of them.

    Getting good players from ufa costs more but they are established guarantees that they are good propects/picks not all panout. EVen though thats where you hit the jockpot big miedium adn small wise.

    I think bottom line is if Jones is one of the better top pair guys in league then its worth it if he is 10th best to 30th best of all top pair guys then maybe worth it.

  • August 7, 2021 at 7:03 pm
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    To repeat. The Hawks were not enamored with being in the #11 spot. They did not view a guy like Sillinger, Lucius, Lysell and others, such as both goalies as blue chippers.
    They wanted Seth Jones. The hard part was creating a package that Columbus would take.
    Giving up Boqvist is not hard to swallow : Injury prone, concussion history, small, afraid of contact. The picks ? Next years 1st rounder hurts but that’s , immediately mitigated by the 2nd acquired from Tampa in the Johnson deal and a 3rd for Zadorov whom this board hates.
    Lastly, General Managers work in chunks of time and stretches. Right now Stan is not all that worried about the 2022 draft. At all.

  • August 8, 2021 at 12:16 pm
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    Craig…My question to Stan Bowman would be.
    If Adam Boqvist is injury prone, concussion history, small, afraid of contact why in the hell did you draft draft him?
    Next years first round pick is gone but no worries the hawks have picked up a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Sounds like logic Bowman would use lets trade what could easily turn out to be a top 12 pick for a late 2nd round pick from Tampa and a 3rd round pick.
    Probably no blue chip prospects in next years draft between picks 10-20 anyway.
    But look we signed Seth Jones to an 8 year deal and I gave him a no trade clause.
    No sense in worrying about the future we can do that later….Yep…Sounds like Bowman.

  • August 9, 2021 at 12:11 am
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    Stape, an absolutely spot on post. Said it all.

  • August 9, 2021 at 7:29 pm
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    Stape ,Stan drafted Boqvist because Adams projected style of play was the flavor of the week ,fast ,small ,puck moving offensive defense man ….nothing more to say other than Boqvist is a chicken shit in his own end and ,injury prone and perhaps he will do better on a tougher team and limited ice time . The Hawks are totally unable to mold ,shape and develop a player . This year Stan gets big players in the draft, ,always the flavor of the week but not on Stans radar in the draft for the past 5 years .
    Stan is his own worst enemy as his knee jerk reaction is seemingly out of touch and not in line with the building of a competitive team .

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