Patrick Kane, Blackhawks Beat Islanders Again
On Friday night, Patrick Kane scored twice as the Blackhawks edged the Islanders in Brooklyn.
On Saturday night, Kane had three points (one goal, two assists) as the Hawks ran away from the visiting Islanders in Chicago.
Coach Joel Quenneville mixed up three of his lines entering Saturday night’s game, but left one alone: Kane, Artem Anisimov and Artemi Panarin. And that line continues to be one of the most impressive in the league.
The line changes made by Quenneville included Teuvo Teravainen moving back to center and the third line, where he skated primarily with Bryan Bickell and Viktor Tikhonov. Andrew Shaw moved down to the fourth line, skating with Marcus Kruger and Andrew Desjardins. And Ryan Garbutt, coming off a strong showing on Friday night, got bumped up to the top line with Jonathan Toews and Marian Hossa.
In the first period, the new lines took some time to develop chemistry. But Kane and Panarin stayed hot to open the season, and made an impact early.
Only 4:07 into the game, Kane and Panarin created a scoring opportunity and defenseman Trevor van Riemsdyk cashed in for his first career NHL goal.
The second period was completely dominated by the Hawks, who – somehow – we outshot 13-11 by the Islanders in the period in spite of the home team controlling the flow for the entire 20 minutes. Kane took the puck away behind the Islanders net and fed Panarin for his second goal of the young season at 5:53.
A little more than ten minutes later, Panarin got the puck to van Riemsdyk who threw a great pass to Kane that was deflected into the net.
Panarin and van Riemsdyk had the first multi-point games of their respective NHL careers before the third period had even started. Kane and Panarin had three points each through 40 minutes of action.
Unfortunately for him, Islanders goaltender Jean-Francois Berube made his NHL debut in the second night of back-to-backs between familiar clubs and it didn’t treat him well. The high-octane offense for the Hawks was clicking early and often, as the 24-year-old rookie allowed three goals against 22 shots through two periods.
The third period was relatively uneventful until Marek Zidlicky leveled Garbutt from behind, sending him flying into Berube and the Islanders net. Zidlicky received a minor penalty for interference at 13:55 that apparently Islanders captain John Tavares didn’t agree with, and his comments to the officials resulted in him receiving an unsportsmanlike conduct minor and a trip to the showers by way of an accompanying game misconduct.
Brent Seabrook received a pretty pass from Teravainen on the following two-man advantage and scored his first of the season to extend the lead to four.
Zidlicky would head back to the box shortly after returning to the ice for high sticking Toews, but the Hawks got careless with the puck. Cal Clutterbuck scored a short-handed goal to crush Scott Darling’s shutout bid with 65 seconds left in regulation. The final score held up as 4-1.
Kane led the Blackhawks with seven shots on net in another strong offensive performance. With the game under control heading into the third period, Quenneville was able to spread out the ice time after playing a tougher game on Friday night. Duncan Keith was held to 19:38 in the game while Brent Seabrook led the Hawks with three blocked shots and added three hits in only 19:19 in the victory.
Trevor Daley led all Chicago skaters with 22:01 on the ice and continued to look more comfortable with the new team. He was credited with two hits and one blocked shot, and saw 4:10 of power play ice time in the game.
Viktor Svedberg, playing for the second straight night, was credited with two blocked shots and two hits in 16:17 in the game. Reports early during the game that the Hawks are actively trying to acquire help for the blue line puts his roster spot in jeopardy, however.
Darling stopped 28 of 29 to begin his season with a win. Anisimov and Teravainen struggled at the dot; Anisimov won only two of nine while Teravainen won three of ten. Toews won ten of 18 and finished tied with Garbutt and Bickell with a team-high four hits. Hossa added three takeaways to six shots on net.
The Hawks next game is in Philadelphia on Wednesday night.
A couple times Svedberg made mental errors. He pinched in the offensive with nobody to cover and that could have easily turned bad. He didn’t look terrible overall, but Brent Seabrook can make a lot of things better.
Panarin… well the dude is a stud.
I feel sorry for Teuvo…or anyone else thats on a line with 29. Ick. He ain’t gonna last
We definitely have to make sure that TT gets minutes and more minutes with better linemates. TT is probably the best pure passer on the team. The puck hits his stick and is off it just as fast. His teammates will have to get accustomed to his passing skills. What vision to make such quick passes.
Panarin and Kane were remarkable together. Rookie of the year and Art Ross winner playing together if their seasons are not interrupted by anything.
By seasons end, we’ll be saying Sharp who and Saad who.
It was a shame Darling lost the shut out. He deserved it. Kaner owes him dinner.
These guys are having fun out there. Daley had a good game and Svedberg looked fine. Give the guy a chance. Should we get another D man via a trade I hope we keep him and let him season a bit more down in Rockford as I don’t think he is that far off the mark. Near the end there Bickell went right through the length of crease with the goalie beat and could not put it in. I’m sure many more of you saw that. What a waste of TT having Bickell on his line. Overconfidence and sloppy play lead to Darling losing the shutout…what a shame. If we bring up Dano in good time and solve the Bickell problem somehow then this team will be unstoppable. Hossa has not lost a step whatsoever, in fact I would say he even looks better than last year. Kane and Panarin, what can I say…the league won’t know what hit them. Hossa and Dano to come yet. Great stuff ahead. No doubts.
Svedberg looked fine out there. He just needs to keep playing. Panarin and Kane are absolutely off the charts good. Then you throw in TT, Hossa, Toews, Seabrook and Keith and wow. I could go on and on here. Everyone predicting Anaheim this year better think twice. GO HAWKS
Don’t get all the clamoring for Dano to come up. His play totally leveled off after the clean hit to the side of the face. Remember who the best player was in the trade to Columbus. Saad was quick, explosive and powerful on that left side with Toews and Hossa. Lacking at left wing.
What concerns me the most about Dano’s game is he doesn’t know how to absorb a check, unlike Kane or TT. He takes the full force of the hit and is a concussion waiting to happen.
The best rookie forward on the ice during preseason was Vinnie H. Always moving his feet with speed. I guess didn’t make team because needs seasoning, and another small guy added to the mix.
Garbutt- as suggested… can play on any line and not hurt you…
Dare I say- Frolik 2.0- 28 did not hurt the 1st line… but problem is He is NOT Saad… so that 1st line will not put up points like past… as is!!!
But still- the 1st line is really in need of someone/something on LW… TT not the answer there, TT way better on 3rd line versus-lesser Defenders,,, Dano- perhaps- but perhaps Dano is way better on RW or C ( certainly looked a little lost on LW in final 2 pre-season games…
Once again- 28 OK on 1st,,, but 1st will not compete (offensively versus top tier )
And 28 playing up — leaves bottom two lines even more neutered (especially 3rd line)…. of course if plan is to move Dano to RW on 3rd Line in 25-35 games… and perhaps Paille to LW on 3rd… the 3rd line could be a monster too…
At this point the only other option Q has is to put 29 back on 1st LW… (for 9-10 minutes– double shift 72, and 81 on 1st a little)… or skate 28 there.
Purging Bickell- is still the Key-
TT- is way better playing C and creating versus lesser D… Problem- he sucks at faceoffs… Really Hope Hogs have Dano working on Faceoffs down on farm… and eventually he comes up to play RW for TT
You know you are in control of a game when Marcus is logging PP time in the 3rd ! Watched the game courtesy of the new agreement with WNDY. There was not much to be unhappy about
I thought it was interesting to hear Pat and to a lesser degree Edzo talk about how TVR had scored last season only to have it taken from him by a vet who is ”no longer here”. (23). I remember the goal and the later result but was unaware that apparently the puck was never touched again by Chi and 23 was just padding his numbers.
Many positives to take from last nights game at the UC, which by the way has been given a nice makeover. New food stands and better beer selections. Toilets redone, almost too bright in there now. Glad to see our increased ticket prices are being put to good use via the arena improvements and putting a quality team on the ice. Not being too sarcastic there either.
Much to like from the Hawks vs Isles last night. Some unnecessary giveaways, but generally the team cleared pucks away from Darling who also looked really solid and confident between the pipes. Pity he lost the shutout, but it was nonetheless a dominant team effort. Not sure what Tavares was bitching about on the that late penalty where Garbutt got interfered with and slammed from behind into Isles net. It was the right call. I am sure Tavares was just frustrated with his team packing it in half way through the 3rd. The guy is a great player.
The Anisimov line is simply a joy to watch. Kane and Panarin might be the most exciting combo in hockey with the way it loks out of the gate. Teams have no answers for these 2 puck magician speed merchants. The Bread Man delivers again and Kane looks to me better than ever out there. Anisimov does lots of little things right. Top two lines for the Hawks present serious problems for opposing teams, and yes Hossa continues to drink from the fountain of youth.
TT has gained confidence in the off season and is now shooting the puck at the right time instead of always looking to pass. As mentioned by Booman his passing game is world class. The kid just envisions plays and opportunities developing before most players are able to. A special hockey 6th sense if you will. Pass to Seabs was a bulls-eye cross ice. TT’s willingness to commit to defense also continues to impress me and his quick hands turn into takeaways. Love watching this kid develop. Lots of upside. Both Shaw and Teuvo need to find some quality line buddies. Q I believe is going to have fun finding the right combos with this group. Power play in particular should be fun to watch as the season progresses and should improve compared with previous years.
This Hawks team to me is faster than last year . Daley in particular can flat out fly. Top end skating skills. Reminds of Campbell’s wheels. When Leddy left that void was not filled until Daley arrived. I think Daley defensively will get better under Q. Svedberg to me was improved last night. Looks like he has the jitters, afraid to make mistakes. TVR is also playing with additional poise from what I saw last night. Kid has a good sense of the game.
Man it was great to watch live Hawks hockey last night! It’s funny to me that every time a new season start it takes my eyes at least 1 period to get adjusted to the speed of the game. What to watch on the ice apart from where the puck is, the line changes on the fly, who’s matched up, play behind where the puck is. The little things. Either way it’s really fun watching live NHL hockey again and this Hawks team is going to bring some smiles IMO.
Lets Go Hawks!
Also meant to add that Kruger has been very impressive at the dot to start the year especially in the d zone.
I loved that feeling that Anisimov didn’t touch the puck on that entire minute (?) long offensive shift that culminated in Kane’s goal. Parked himself in front of the net and turned left and right.
That D pairing of TVR-Daley seems to work with the Kane-Russians line. As does the Seabrook-Svedberg pairing with the awesome 4th line.
PS: My impression watching Daley is that he’s not at all comfortable yet. He seems to pause and think that split second almost every time he’s on the ice having to make a decision.
^^ (Phil)
Thanks for the positives , Phil!
Looking forward to an exciting season!
This team is very difficult to match up with. All 4 lines playing the same, intense, aggressive and quick and all can put the puck on net if not in net.
The Artist Artemi Panarin is going to take this team over and take some pressure off our captain and top line too. He passed up a few “more goals” last night but got one.
TVR seems to have needed that fist goal, after that he was more realxed and played one of his better games.
Trevor Daley is playing very very tentative, especially on offense and offensive transitions? He should get better, Johnny Oh had some much more speed exiting the zone. But TD is okay.
We still have sketchy defense but that will come.
Coach Q will continue to Vita-Mix his lines and that is great, Hawks amy be the most balanced offensively in the NHL Keep a few “core players together. Kane And The Artist are scary, Hossa and Towes and Marcus and Desjardins .
Funny Bickell is the weakest link on the entire TEAM? He is gone soon, somewhere to someone, for steady or steady- er defensemen.
Only good thing about Svedberg tonight was the BLOCKED SHOTS. . . Islanders had a very “off night” Hawks had an “on night” So hard to judge Svedberg until we face the Blues or Ducks who will fore check like a muther!
Remember Svedberg is really just trying not to make a mistake, TVR sometime plays that way, that is not the bets way to “play” of course you don’t want to make a mistake but on defense that transition is everything so you got to see the next play and anticipate if you worry about just the guy in front of ya like Svedberg is doing now you’ll look pretty good.
Like Svedberg but hate his lack of physical play . . . He did use his long reach better last night
Marcus is our primary DOT DUDE, he really mixes up his approach, sometimes wins with his lower than low stick and body to the ice and sometime even with limited size he can win a scrum and use his leverage, sometimes just quick, really like his play at the dot but he has been doing that for years. Good to see it continue! His play overall is alway consistent.
go hawks
Prediction: Panerin will eclipse the wonder kids from the Sabres and the Oilers. Kane will need to learn some rudimentary Russian!
Hawks look really good for this early in the year. The Bickel situation has to be solved soon in order to continue progressing. Bickel’s laziness the past 2 years has cost him his career. He seems to be trying, but has lost his confidence and seems to be defeated mentally.
Nettle creek – Of course Penarin will eclipse a bunch of 19 year adolescents who are playing for average teams. He’s 23, has world level experience and plays for the SC Champions Blackhawks, next to the likes of Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith & Co.
I see his competition in the likes of Kevin Hayes of the Rangers, Kuznetsov of the Capitals (huge fan of Kuznetsov personally) or even Mark Stone of the Senators. Guys like that…22-23 years olds with already 1 full season experience in the NHL.
Penarin is 23 and has 2 full seasons in the KHL. So, he’s slightly behind in his NHL development, but that’s the group he belongs in. Mark Stone is the benchmark in my eyes. Even the younger Predator Forsberg
I checked myself and actually Panarin has 5 seasons in the KHL. The 2 years I remembered were his Saint Petersburg years.
Surprise surprise the idiot Rufus is nowhere to be found!!! He only posts after a Blackhawk loss (Rangers) and is silent after Blackhawk wins (Islanders), what a total waste of human skin.
Tip: Whatever Rufus says bet the other way and you’ll win a fortune!
Mike – of course Svedberg is a little tentative especially after those 2 “go play in the AHL” huge errors. So it’s going to take time for him to have a feel for his game, understand what he can and can’t do. When he does he’s going to become more physical and look better. I don’t think he’s mentally scared to make plays. He just understands that he has to stick in the NHL until he finds his game and that means limit the errors in any was, shape or form.
He did have a huge board hit and picked a fight with the nasty 4th liner martin last night.
He’s just smart enough to understand he has to stay in a shell. being the 4th PK Dman is a huge deal for his chances. Play PK, block shots, don’t turnover and enforce after the play is over…that’s his “to do list”. And he’s doing it. Good for him.
Why are my comments “awaiting moderation”. Which words should I avoid ? I’m not using foul language. Mahhh…
Taser – Ruffus missed big time on some predictions. Now he’s at a stage where he has nothing to lose. Sometimes I wonder if he really believes what he writes or he’s just trying to hit on a hay maker and put himself back in the game. You know what I mean ?
Does Panarin qualify as a NHL rookie?
Yes Panarin is a NHL rookie. you have to be under 25 or something like that
Don’t understand Foley’s comments on Versteeg. Versteeg never claimed to have touched it. The scorekeeper gave him the goal.
Frolik, I clearly recall Mikita going to the scorer’s window at center ice and insisting a goal credited to him be changed and awarded to a teammate. And he did it more than once. And also I believe Stan did that when it was marginal, that maybe he really knew it was tipped-in off his stick but wanted a fellow Hawk to get it, like he knew the guy needed it more. I’m saying that Foley took the opportunity last night to illustrate a large missed opportunity for unselfishness. And 23 ain’t no 21.
FROLIK NAVIDAD
October 11, 2015 at 11:52 am….
You are correct. The official scorer awards the goal. Not 23 and certainly not Foley…. Must be some issue the “Hall of Famer” has with Versteeg.
Under 26 on September 15 of the players rookie year. And less than 25 NHL games in a proceeding season.
Red top, your talking about Stan Mikita. He last played nearly 40 years ago. Times were different. Did they even have replay in 1980? How many different camera angles did they have? How many off ice officials did they have.
A player can tell the scorer he didn’t think he touched the puck, but regardless the scorer is going to put in what he sees. He’ll look at it again but in today’s world of performance bonuses, he has to call it as it is. He could be costing players a ton of dough if he goes on what a player said.
Talent-wise, this is the best Hawks team I’ve seen during this run. And the defense already is better than last year’s. When you can frustrate an MVP candidate in Tavares, give up only 3 goals in two games to a high scoring team and toy with a trendy Stanley Cup contender on the 2nd night of a back to back— you are good.
And the better news is that you have 4-5 guys on the Hogs that you can actually bring up to help you during the year. (not just filler material)
Ernie,
Your point about current technology is well taken. Replays back then were of far less quality and usefulness compared to today and I have no idea if official scorers had them to look at down there back in those days (probably not). I don’t think the league actually went to off-ice officials until well after Stan hung ‘em up. But character traits are timeless and when Mikita advocated for a teammate to be credited with a goal instead of him it was the unselfish act of a champion. Yes, the game has changed and maybe it never crossed Versteeg’s mind to go to the scorer’s window and vouch for 57. Foley sure thinks it should have though. Broker Wayne is probably right when he said this little incident must stem from some other issue Foley had with 23 and chose the occasion to put the knife in.
Did anyone notice Kaner retrieving the puck on TVR’s goal? It looks like he made a beeline to the goal, and was fishing out the puck. Cut to all the players congratulating him, and you see Kaner skate in late and right before the video ends seems to hand him something (the puck.). Very classy move to be aware it was the kids first NHL goal, and get him the puck.
I am pleased that Stan and Joel feel that this team needs an addition on defense. If there is a creative way to do that and not lose Shaw in the process then I’ll feel better about this team. We need a good old fashioned blueliner. A healthier and a bit younger version of Rosival will be just fine.
I saw Kane do that Miroslav, yes. Pretty instinctive move by Kane. Looks like the players know by heart which colleagues have those milestones.
Rufus – trading Shaw for a 6th-7th Dman is not even a possible scenario. Ain’t gonna happen. Why would you think that ? Who thinks like that ?
You’re a strange cat, man.
Report: ‘The Hawks need a 1st line LW and 3rd line C help. They might deal’
Rufus: ‘I hope Stan and Joel can get those guys without losing Toews. That would be great’
Rufus, you’re concern about Shaw makes sense. If another team is willing to give up a solid, stay at home D man, who are they going to ask for, Bickell? He isn’t even picked up when the Hawks place him on waivers. Plus, Shaw’s cap hit would probably equate to the D man that they are looking for. It might not be a trade directly for Shaw, but they would have to dump $. I really don’t think though that the Hawks are going to give up Shaw. DumDum’s logic as usual falls a little short. The report also never said Anything about a 6 or 7…. It could be a 4 or 5.
If it’s a 4 or 5, the cap hit may be greater than Shaw’s as well..lol
They only way I would part with Shaw would be if the trade partner took Bickell’s entire Cap hit. Look at it as, “That is how valuable Shaw is.”…and I would still be a little hesitant. Paille would move into Shaw’s spot?
Any defenseman (in that deal?) would have to be a clear upgrade. I’m not really too concerned with vanRiemsdyk and Svedberg (Q picks their spots) and if Rosival has anything left (like his pre-injury post season last year) later, it ain’t all bad. Just my opinions.
I’m not sure I understand the lovefest with Shaw, If you can flip him and Bickell for a 2nd pair defenseman you make that move. Bickell wasn’t much of a NHL player in the past and is even less of an NHL player now. Funny how now he is suppose to be motivated. He literally is giving the team NOTHING!
The Hawks have Hartman and Ross on the Hogs that can fill Shaws role. I would also assume once you rid yourself from Bickell, Dano can be brought up too.
SOUTHSIDEHAWKMAN
October 12, 2015 at 10:08 am….
Agreed….
He has been very effective as a 4th line winger with 16 and 11. Unfortunately the Hawks are top heavy with 4th line wingers right now. Trade Shaw if we can get value and cap relief! IMO.
Broker -I appreciate when not even you are buying what you’re selling.
Might as well think before you write.
The scenario in which the Blackhawks and Coach Q trade Shaw for the new under the radar Klingberg or whatever is one where the brain trust of this scenario is either delusional or snorting Angel Dust.
It’s like 2 Rangers fans deciding they might trade Kreider and Hayes for Toews because the Blackhawks lack size and cap space, so they might go for it.
The best trade would be sending Shaw to the Predators for Seth Jones. He’s a 2nd pair Dman and has a low cap hit. I love Shaw and what he brings, but the Blackhawks are set on the 4th line and Seth Jones could become a great Dman under the tutelage of Keith and Seabrook.
So Stan should go for it. Make that deal. It’s the best move for the future of the franchise.
Dum Dum drawers with crayon:
“Broker -I appreciate when not even you are buying what you’re selling.
Might as well think before you write.”
How about giving examples of how I’m contradictory (that means mutually opposed or inconsistent) Dum Dum?
Doubt I’ll hear back from you until Nursery school lets out.
There’s no way Nashville trades Jones for Shaw.
Mudturtle, he’s incoherent!
Come on Dum Dum Shaw for Jones? I’m still cracking up over that one. If I was a season tickjet holder in Nashville and heard that trade I would be done with the franchise right then and there. Hilarious. Otherwise, yea I think the Hawks would go for that offer…
Lets Go Hawks!!
Sorry guys, I was laughin so hard I forgot how to spell ticket.
This team has the potential to be the best Hawk team in the Toews/Kane era if we can get the back end figured out. The second line reminds me of the red army teams of the seventies with Krutov, Larianov, and Makarov. Yikes.
After that suggested fairytale trade, I believe Dum Dum has to get a 41 game suspension; he is to this blog what Torres is to the NHL.
I can hear the conversation now:
“David Poile’s office,”
“Hi, this is Stan Boman. Can I speak to Dave.”
“Sure thing. Hold please, Mr. Bowman.”
(Pause)
“Hi Stan.”
“Hello Dave, how are you?”
“Great, Stan, just great. What can I do for you?”
“Let me get right to the point. What would you say if I offered you Andrew Shaw straight up for Seth Jones?”
(Long pause)
“I have two words for you Stan. DumDum.”
(Hangs up)
Now that I’ve come off the LSD trip of Seth Jones for Shaw, I was thinking some realistic targets might be the following
Erik Gudbranson- former 1st rounder that has failed to impress in florida
Kulikov-often injuried and 9 million dollar price tag for 2 yrs is concerning
Ron Rainsey- 34 yrs old, 2 yrs and 5.5 million left on his contract, he is a no frills reliable dman on a bad Canes team
PIE in the SKY,…make a move for both Schenns! Both are on the final year yr of their deal. Brenden is a powerforward winger who has been in the outs for the last few yrs, scored 18 goals last yr and 20 before that.
Luke is a physical defensive dman and a bit of a project that hasn’t reached his potential. He’s also 25 and been in the league since 08. Luke is a bit of a gamble though and wouldn’t cost much to acquire.
Realistically you could like have both for Shaw and Bickell. Money matches up to, both would be off the books next season if things didnt pan out. Shaw would be the perfect Flyer
In other news Saad got demoted off the BJ’s top line last night FYI.
What if Stan said, “can I get Seth Jones for Marco Dano and Andrew Shaw”?
On a side note……I would let this team play together for about 25 games before I would do anything with the roster.
Dum Dum gets 41 games! Yes!!!!!
I wouldn’t give up Dano to anybody. And Nashville would have to be crazy to trade Jones. I agree, we need a larger sample size of this current roster’s performance before we think of dismantling it in any way.
Well…people here want a 4 Dman, with a small cap hit, obviously. That’s Seth Jones, guys. He’s a 4 and has a small cap hit.
It does sound silly and stupid when you put a name to that drug induced scenario, doesn’t it ?
Phil – if you find my Shaw for Jones scenario funny respond to SouthSideHawkMan who wants Stan to go all-in and dump Bickell onto the Predators as well…Shaw+Bickell for Seth Jones.
“I’m not sure I understand the lovefest with Shaw, If you can flip him and Bickell for a 2nd pair defenseman you make that move.”
So…it’s not only Shaw for Jones…they have to absorb Bickell as well. Hahah.
Jokes aside SouthSideHawkMan makes some sense. He’s talking about a version of the Bickell-Nikitin rumored deal where the Dman coming back is capable and in order to sweet the pot and really make the deal the Hawks also move Shaw.
There was actual bong residue on dumdum’s Shaw-Jones proposal. Impressive.
That said, EDM should be looking to move Ference after removing the C from him. He’s $750k cheaper than Bickell. Just sayin…
“…in order to sweet the pot and really make the deal the Hawks also move Shaw.” — ONLY if Bickell’s ENTIRE cap hit leaves Chicago.
” a version of the Bickell-Nikitin rumored deal” — in that particular deal, Edmonton would have to keep (at least) 2.500 of Nikitan’s cap hit (the cost of getting a bargain price for Shaw). Again, deal also includes Bickell’s entire cap hit — consider it how valuable Shaw is.
“There was actual bong residue on dumdum’s Shaw-Jones proposal. Impressive.”
dum dum dum dum……DUM!!!
Tab, they still have to want Bickell!! Much doubt…
Clearly NOBODY wants Bickell, he is not an NHL player at this point.
Shaw is a valuable role player. Let that sink in 3 million for a role. Not on this roster w some of the other salaries.
Changing the subject… I was watching the Avs and Stars game on Saturday and they showed a graphic which said that:
Last year, from the Top 25 goal scorers in the NHL only 4 came from the Central Division, with 10 from Metropolitan (the others had 5 and 6 guys). The color commentator from the Avs TV was laughing and tells ‘as I’ve always told you…if you’re a goal scorer and move to the Central you come here to die’.
Now I’ve checked and Toews was actually 26th at a tie with the 25th (Simmons).
In 2014-2015 there were 5 from Central in the Top 25+1 goal scorers(26th-28goals)
There were 45 guys who scored 25 goals or more. 9 were from Central.
There were 47 guys who scored between 20 and 25 goals. 12 were from the Central.
In 2013-2014 there were 8 from Central in the Top 25 goal scorers(25th-28goals).
There were 51 guys who scored 25 goals or more. 15 were from Central.
There were 49 guys who scored between 20 and 25 goals. 12 were from Central.
The stats in 2013-14 negate the premises that it’s difficult to be a scorer in The Central. 2014-14 confirms it and then some.
There’s a pretty big drop in 25+ goal scorers from 1013-14 and 1014-15. That could be an anomaly or it could be related naturally to the Divisions realignment, with 2013-14 being the first year and people adjusting in the 2nd year.
The reason why I did this was related with the bench mark for Panarin as we were talking the other day about him as a rookie, but not really a rookie. How many goals should he score ? What’s the bench mark you have for him ?
PS: This is a game obviously. The Blackhawks are a true team. Stats mean close to nothing. It’s all about winning the right way. So, he can score all he want in the RS, that’s only a small part of the work.
But as a game…how many ?
My view: 20 goals would be fantastic. 25 goals unbelievable. So…I’m splitting it.
My bench mark for Panarin is 22 goals.
Fascinating Dum Dum. Truly fascinating.
I’m not sure in the first week of the season why people want to move Shaw, a guy that has played an integral part in winning 2 Cups. I am in agreement with SS hit man. Bicks at this time has lost the mental and physical prowess that put him on this roster. Baffling and sad to watch this decline. I think Q has to let Bickell try and play his way out of this funk so early in the season as unsavoury as that might sound.
Let’s Go Hawks!
So… if Ference is the 7 on Edmonton…can he be a 4 or 5 on the Blackhawks ?
Because there are more chances that the Predators go for my faux/PCP induced scenario then that happening.
Tab – Ference has 2 more years at 3.2M. I don’t see it. I understood the Nikitin trade because he had 1 year left at 3.5M, so the Hawks were freeing a year of Bickell basically. But Ference at 3.2 for 2 years, next to Daley at 3.3 for 2 years. That’s a lot.
I do not see moving Shaw and messing with the roster…yet.
If there is a move, it is dumping Bicks to get more $$ flexibility. Sweeten the deal with a prospect or two. Most here agree that McNeil (a number 1 pick) isn’t going to make it to the bigs with the Hawks. I believe he only has this year left on his deal. Danault is also a number 1 pick. Is he really going to be heir to Krugs? I prefer keeping Krugs. He is cheap and loyal to the org. I would consider moving Danault.
Sans Svedberg, we saw what 5-7 dman issues we had last year with the same guys. Rosy is a year older. Can he elevate his game again in the playoffs? Runblad is not making progress with the opportunities he has been given. That’s more opportunity others have gotten. Cumiskey…meh! TVR is injury prone. We need to improve here.
With all these thoughts, I am confident Stan will make the right moves to get us a repeat cup.
Go Hawks…
A concern about the current 5-6-7 d-men that isn’t getting much mention is that both TvR and Svedberg have had injuries and still need to prove they can stay healthy and be counted on. And then of course there’s Rozsival coming off an injury where his foot was facing backward – who knows how he will play. Even if the d-man the Hawks acquire is “only” a veteran 5-6 d-man – as long as he can play every game and not be bad, he would be an upgrade.
It’s interesting that some people want to blow up the team after three games and a 2-1 record. Let’s see the Hawks had 5 decent defensemen for most of last year and tied for fewest goals allowed. It looks like there are another 5 decent ones now with Daley and TVR part of that mix and maybe coach Q will find another one he likes before Rosy comes back. Re Bickell since he has cleared waivers he will be sent down before 10 games and that will save almost 1 mil. Trading him is way over and will never happen. It looks like the Hawks may be short one skilled player for the top line until Dano is fully seasoned and ready to play a full NHL season. Jeremy Morin anyone? Also a prediction that Kane may flirt with 100 points if he stays all year with Panarin and Anisimov. Having a big center that can go to the net is just what Kane needed and Panarin already is impressive.
So how bout them Russians…
I am in the minority here… Hawks actually need a 1st line LW or (if Garbutt stays 1st LW)… the Hawks need stud 2nd/3rd LW who can make up for the lost production I see with Current 1st line w/o Saad…
WTS- My Fantasy Dream trade- Bickell, 1st pick, 4th pick, McNeill to Bruins for Marchand and some Bum prospect (B’s eat $1m in Salary on Marchand) (and Yes I know he has concussion- which works even better… LTIR him and save money for TDL -D guy if needed…. ( I assume you can trade for a guy with concussion?)
Yes- it is only a dream… but I really think the Hawks/1st line is going to be down about 25%-35% in scoring… that is a big gap to make up… and 3rd and 4th as is w/ 29/TT/14… as is… not going to do it!!! it will be missed versus the Elite teams!!!
One way or another 29 has to go- and Dano, Hino or other has to step up and replace that missed scoring… PP looks like it will replace some, and Line 2- will also pickup 10-15% of the lost 1st line points… but still need more!!!
It is amazing the energy being wasted on who the #6 d-man will be. I continue to believe that Shaw will not be traded this year. I base this on how much Q values flexibility in players. Shaw can be play on any line, he is the best we have in front of the net on the PP, can score a decent number of goals or be a shutdown guy on the fourth line. So it makes no sense to me that we would trade him for another 3rd pairing d-man. At the end of the year when his contract is up all bets are off but to me he is a core guy this year.
Wall – I always respect your posts but any trade for Marchand is a nightmare for me, not a fantasy. His best years are behind him and I do not believe he would be a good fit for the Hawks. Also, I don’t think there is any scenario where Hino gets called up this year. I agree he was the most pleasant surprise of camp but he has to prove himself in Rockford – let’s hope he can blossom like Tyler Johnson (a similar sized player) in the AHL and earn a full time spot next year.
Wall, Give this team at least 20-25 games to play together and gel as there has been so much change over from last year and then make your evaluations as to what is needed. I think there will become hidden gems that outperform expectations and salaries. I think SB has year after year put together very competitive teams despite being limited by the salary cap and not being able to reward everyone that got them a cup. The core group is still intact sans Sharp who did very poorly last year when playing 5 on 5. This team seems like they will be fun to watch and they will be at least as good as they did last year ie 3rd place not including the Stanley Cup run. Last year’s team had plenty of problems and they still came together at the end and did great. Scoring was way down from the previous year, lost too many faceoffs, injuries and slowed players, lack of defensive depth …… However when it mattered they WON!
Wall… The second line is the first line.
Kane+AA+Panarin points > Hossa+Toews+Saad last year
Hossa+Toews+whatever points > Kane + spare parts last year
It’ll even out.
Guys, I really like the team…. Just picking out the biggest “hurdle” moving forward…
Obvious- it is dumping 29’s cap hit… and replacing it with???
I am giving my 2 cents… and I am suggesting “The 1st LW– or 3rd line scoring (to support it) are or will be the biggest short coming– when facing the top tier teams…
Dano- was supposed to fill that slot… Either he isn’t ready, OR he Cannot play LW as well as RW…
MS- I do Love Hino- (predicted years ago- he might be the next “surprise”)- if he continues from brief stint in Pre-season games… he will be very good…
Like TT- I think Hino- is better suited for NHL versus AHL ( TT skated and passed to nobody- many nites in AHL- cuz they can’t keep up with his quick thinking)
Jeremy Morin plays LW (har har har)
First line is the least one to be concerned with IMO. I think Toews and Hossa can drag just about anyone around and be fine. I think the third line and who plays with TT is the bigger question mark. Mainly because Bickell has been pretty pretty bad.
Its probably very early to talk trades but Stan is shopping and Chris Kuc is reporting.
I cant help but think the Hawks are kicking the tires in Chara. Aquiring Chara would be a game changer.
MS gets it. trading Shaw for a depth Dman will not happen, because it’s not only a nonsensical plan it’s actually a contradiction to the way the Blackhawks and Coach Q operate. The Blackhawks system relies on role players and Shaw is probably the best role player they have.
But hey…maybe Stan can get Seth Jones for him. So get him Stan. Prove everybody you are a capable GM.
The best part of replacement value players is….
They’re replaceable (:
@Dumdum
If the Hawks aquire Seth Jones I will buy you a Seth Jones Hawks jersey.
@DumDum “Prove everybody you are a capable GM.”
How many cups does he have to win to prove he’s a capable GM? 2 isn’t enough?
I think Tab may be right about the bong residue.
Don’t bogart that bong …… Dum Dum
Southsideman- Chara has slowed up considerably and in my opinion would be a downgrade ala Kiko Tinoman. Question? Does Coach Q pull the hook on young defensemen too quick or is he an incredibly astute evaluator of talent and can recognize a rookie’s weaknesses immediately when they make one mistake? I noticed in the game the other night Hossa lost the puck behind the Hawks blue line. If he was a rookie that would have been his last game for this team. Just wondering have any of the recent young defensemen from the Hawks that got traded away or released made it into a top six pairing for another team other than Leddy?
All of the other Hawk AHL defenders that were moved, with the exception of Leddy, have amounted to squat thus far.
The strategic fundamental behind the Hawks outstanding level of success the last 7 years has been a highly disciplined and accountable defensive style of play. The Q style of defense (both from defenseman and forwards) tolerates very little. We don’t have 3 Stanley Cup banners hanging from the rafters at the UC if not for this highly disciplined style of defensive zone play. Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson have been the backbone of that strategy in terms of defenseman. But so too have been Oduya, Rosival and a handful of role players the last several years.
This bullcrap that Quenneville has a bias against young players is massively idiotic. Leddy doesn’t play in Chicago anymore because based on his role, he was going to cost too much money to retain in the context of the salary cap. Yet the moron brigade on the site can’t wrap their brains around that, and instead claim Quenneville was anti-Leddy. Who in all honesty, was a 5th defenseman on this team. Johns and Paliotta were traded away in the offseason because of the latest salary cap crisis….the deal to unload Sharp doesn’t happen unless Bowman eats the shit sandwich contract of Trevor Daley AND throw in a nice defenseman prospect in Johns. The deal to move Saad AND acquire Anisimov and the promise of Dano doesn’t happen unless another nice defeseman prosect in Paliotta is included. The deal to add Vermette and Des Jardins doesn’t happen last season unless Dahlstrom is part of the deal. Clendening has hardly lit up the world since being moved by the Blackhawks…and he didn’t have the defensive chops and discipline to FIT the Quenneville system anyway.
I remain highly dubious on Daley. It is fascinating to me how Quenneville makes him fit, because given his overpaid contract he isn’t going anywhere. van Riemsdyk is a mildly interesting 5th or 6th defenseman type who we should always be looking to upgrade, but who can probably fill a role for a year or two. Getting a reasonably healthy Rosival back will be nice. Svedberg does nothing for me. He’s a novelty act. A temporary one at that.
Say something new RTF…. Just a rehashing of every other post!
Klas Dalbeck has established himself nicely in the Phx blueline and likely will assume a top 4 role shortly. James Wisniewski was traded by this management group and has gone on to be a productive NHL defenseman.
Outside of those two not much, Ryan Stanton, Adam Clendenning(scratched last night in Pitt), Dylan Olsen is out of the league,
To Rufus point Q knows defensive talent. I’ll trust Joel’s eyes. Joel likes Svedberg, I don’t see it but he does so Q gets the benefit of doubt.
Which is the larger point, Q knows this team is lacking a top 4 defensive dman/PK dman. I assume the through is Svedburg can possibly be that guy, but that reamains to be seen. Daley, Runblad and TVR likely arent that guy.
“The deal to add Vermette and Des Jardins doesn’t happen last season unless Dahlstrom is part of the deal.”
Desjardins was acquired from the Sharks in exchange for Ben Smith.
Even for me…. a major Hawks fan, who will not root for Kane anymore, even though he is one of the best hockey players on the planet, this is too much:
http://thecommittedindian.com/we-are-penn-state-hawks-at-flyers-preview-beef-beer/#more-14677
Brokerwayne, that piece at thecommittedindian is, in my opinion, bloviation and extreme assbaggedness at its (his) finest.
agreed
lets not get too crazy about Q. he had a great team in stl too. having generational talent in toews keith kane hossa and you could make an argument for seabrook is kind of helpful. more of a perfect storm of a lot parts fitting together the right way.