UPDATE: Pittsburgh Penguins Acquire Jarome Iginla
UPDATE: the Pittsburgh Penguins, not the Boston Bruins, have acquired long-time Calgary Flames captain Jarome Iginla. Calgary will receive forwards Ben Hanowski and Kenny Agostino and a first round pick in the 2013 Draft.
Iginla posted 1,095 points in 1,219 games as a member of the Flames. He was acquired by Calgary on Dec. 19, 1995 in the deal that sent Joe Nieuwendyk to Dallas.
Hanowski, 22, was a third round pick of the Penguins in 2009 and just completed his fourth season at St. Cloud State.
Agostino, who will turn 21 at the end of April, was a fifth round pick by the Pens in 2010. He recently completed his third season at Yale.
Wow…not a very big price to pay at all…and the 1st round selection is conditional…obviously Stan Bowman sees and knows a lot more than I do…
WOW!!! Im shocked I was watching the presser thinking why does it say Penguins when the rumors were Bruins. Holy crap the Peguins are going all in for the cup this season. 2 long time captains in 2 weeks amazing!
WOW – that’s a heckuva switcheroo right there. All the rumor mills just got trolled. Odds are Iginla had the final say and Boston and probably the Hawks had better offers than Pittsburgh but Iginla wanted to play with Crosby and who can blame him? The Pens are certainly the odds on favorite now. They’ve got what – a 13 game winning streak? Without Malkin playing! Now they’ve picked up Captain Morrow, Captain Iginla and the tank d-man from San Jose. All without losing a roster player. MERCY!
Iginla, Morrow, Murray, Sutter
replaced
Staal,Tangradi, Michalek, Lovejoy
An upgrade but its not a 4 player-add from last yrs team.
Here’s to hoping all the hype re iggy was just a sideshow and the real prize for the hawks is Derek Roy, any word on this tab?
I’m more stunned and upset this morning having read the turn of events then I was when I went to bed.
To only give up these two prospects and the first rounder, (which everyone says will be a down year for the draft), is mind boggling.
Stan better have something up his sleeve and I doubt they even made an offer to Feaster, remember he had to call Stan.
I think it’s going to be quite for any trades with the Hawks. AHHHHH
Now that Iginla is out – time for the Hawks to go after a much needed second line center. It would put Bolland back on the 3rd line and Kruger to 4. I like Camelleri, Tab has mentioned Roy from Dallas, either way they need another solid faceoff centerman with some offensive ability. The time is now Stan Bowman!
I knew Inigla would go cheap. The distraction to the Flames is evident and he simply had lost the motivation to play hard. The Flames responded by scoring 4 goals and a win last night. I guess whatever Bowman offered was less than what the Pens offered, or Inigla just really wants to play with Crosby. Although putting him on Crosby’s line would be a mistake and unlikely.
With that mess over it is time to find a 2cd line center. If they don’t find on at deadline, give Kruger another try and send Bolland to the 4th line. Although Kruger may not (yet) be up to the challenge it puts him in a place where he will eventually be. As for Bolland, I think he is more effective on a checking line anyway…..less pressure to score goals. But the 4th line is generally not the place for a $3mm+ player, but who wants to mess with the 3d line?
Stan needs to wake up and get off his ass. This team has obvious weaknesses that will hold it back. He doesn’t need to be Jerry Angelo 2.0 in Chicago. Make some moves, or waste a hell of a shot at Lord Stanley.
Before everyone starts slamming Bowman again. He is NOT the right player for our team. He plays on the same side as Sharp & Hossa. You want him on the 3rd line? I don’t think he would want to play there. Also we have a lot of players in Rockford that will have a lot longer career that a 35 year old winger. Yes, I agree we need to address the Bolland issue but Jerome is not for us…
So as it turns out, it looks like Igilna’s final 3 were BOS, PIT, and LA… oh well… it was nice to entertain the idea.
That said, it looks like the biggest remaining targets would be Roy or Ribero. I would like to se Roy be the play here. I also saw a rumbling that if Dallas skids before the deadline, an overhaul might happen (MIN, LA, and ANA remaining before the DL). That might put a guy like Loui Eriksson on the market, maybe we could take advantage…
First i will addrss Roy alone since that is more likely… I have seen that 2nd and a prospect might do it. Considering we dont have a 2nd (oduya trade). Maybe a first and a prospect for Roy, a 2nd, and a 5th or something like that. I cant speculate the level of prospect that would do the trick but i would think McNeil would be more than enough… maybe even just pirri would do it. If we dont have to move a roster player, that would probably kick Bicks the the 4th line with 16/67 and bolland would probably Center 65/25. Hayes would go back to RFD when sharp is back.
On to the thought of Eriksson and Roy; While LE has a long contract at a 4.5/yr and he would take some value to get, I think he would be a great fit in Chi. I would imagine it would take a package like this to do it… Stalberg, Bolland, McNeil, Morin maybe even one more low prospect. Is it pricy yes, but we have Center prospects to replace McNeil, and is Morin really anything special compared to the other prospects we could bring up? We could run out Eriksson/Toews/Hossa, Sharp/Roy/Kane, Bick/Shaw/Saad, 13-52/Kruger/Frolik. With Pittsburgh going all-in, it would be a move to compete for a Cup. Can’t make an omelette without cracking eggs.
ALL that speculation said, if we do stand pat… I still like this team as built. We just need to get HEALTHY! Yes a FO guy would be nice for Kane, but i would rather stand pat than make a move that is bad, just so we can say we made a move. We need to get better all around if we pull the trigger.
GO HAWKS!
Good for the pens.
Now the hawks should get Jagr. Inside sources say he available.
Adam, Where would you play Jagr. He is not a fit either. If the Hawks need a center they need a center. Hawks have plenty of wings. Don’t like giving up 2 centers in McNiell and Perri as both are high on the prospect list. As said before, maybe the Hawks should stand pat and use centers Toews, Kruger, Shaw and Bolland in that order.
Personally, not sure where Iggy fits in the Pen’s lineup
What need for the Hawks does Jagr fill?
A lot of people getting really mad at Bowman, I guess they didn’t see that Iginla didn’t want to play here. As said before, he didn’t REALLY fill one of the Hawks needs anyway.
Mox, Jerry Angelo was one of the worst drafting GM’s ever. Stan Bowman is the complete opposite.
I have faith that Bowman has a move planned. Have you seen the Hawks (regular season) record since aquiring Oduya? It’s pretty insane. People thought it was a pretty “meh” move but it was exactly what the Hawks needed.
We have no idea what Bowman knows and doesn’t know. We don’t know who he is looking into. What if Sharp intends on filling the 2C when he is back to being healthy?
Patience my friends. I still like the cup chances of this Hawks team (if healthy). LA DOMINATED the Hawks on Monday and they won the game with one weird bounce (they had a lot of weird bounces that night). Anaheim treated the game against the Hawks like it was game 7 of the WCF and they have been horrible since. Who else in the West scares you?
Patience!
Morrison’s point about the replacement players for the Pens is a good one and Mike was dead on that Iginla was going to go cheap. The Flames had no bargaining power and must have known Iggy wasn’t going to resign.
Just to reiterate the points above, this should now let us focus on finding a 2nd Line Center, which is the Hawks #1 priority. I believe Adam Rrr points out frequently that a lot of fans dump on Bowman which can be ludicrous for a team with 4 losses…I also think most fans can agree the team seems to be missing something when playing against better teams. It isn’t necessarily a must that we need a big center who will hit, we just need someone who can win draws so we can play our puck possession game. If Stan doesn’t want to pull the trigger on a deal or if none are available, it is definitely time to do something different. Kruger on 2C and Bolland on 4C makes some sense because it would keep the majority of the players playing together…Shifting Bolland as a #2C or #3C could still occur sporadically throughout the game, especially if a team is using a lot of puck possession against us. If Sharp is healthy when he comes back, I would also envision him at 2C. The players we have now could hit more consistently and we could lose the “finesse” team label. Bickell is doing okay here, Bollig is good here, Seabrook is alright…It is time for Oduya to quit skating like a little girl and Stalberg could hit more consistently.
Let’s all back away from the window and take a seat for a moment. What do these Blackhawks really need right now? A center that can win faceoffs and contribute offensively. Dave Bolland continues to disappoint, and the team has to find a way to improve there. Would Marcus Kruger provide more offense in a 2C role? It’s possible; there wouldn’t be a drop-off at the dot if he moved up there. There are a lot of moving parts for these Hawks, and the Penguins may have done the Hawks a favor by giving Calgary a couple B prospects and a late-first round pick for Iginla; the market for rentals may have just become significantly more appropriate for a team like the Hawks that have plenty of B prospects to deal from.
I agree that for the immediate future switching Kruger and Bolland is a good move. Also, Iginla isn’t really a center and it seems he wanted to play with Crosby – absolutely not the end of the world (no matter “how cheap” Pittsburgh got him).
Jagr scores goals
Hawks are second in the league in goals per game. Jagr is 300 years old and doesn’t fill any need the Hawks currently have.
JS—My Angelo comparison wasn’t in regards to drafting. It was in that the Bears had almost every piece needed to win a title. But they couldn’t put it together on offense. Super Bowl Caliber defense for 8+ years, and a JV offense that Angelo couldn’t add the right pieces to, mainly because he refused to be aggressive.
This is an Stanley Cup Caliber team, that is just a piece or two away from hoisting the cup again in June. They need a power forward that will hit/intimidate almost as much as they need a 2nd line center.
Stan is now on the clock. Standing pat will almost certainly guarantee a first of second round exit.
Seeing that Chicago was not even on the list could be Stan didn’t even make an offer, not that Iggy didn’t want to come here. What would it have hurt to make an offer, even if its a low ball one. What if Iggy wanted to come here but since Stan didn’t offer he went with his second option. He controlled the situation not Feaster.
I like McNiell and Pirri but if you resign Kruger where would they play on the Hawks? TT and Denault are in the wings.
Putting Bolland on the 3rd line just makes that line worse, so why make a very good line worse.
He wasn’t aggressive? He was very aggressive. He was just bad aggressive. He made a ton of moves that just didn’t work out. Failed drafting on the offensive side of the football and the inability to find a OC worth a damn is why the Bears offense has sucked. I don’t want Stan to be bad aggressive. Enough of that, this isn’t a Bears blog.
Who is this power forward you want? Which line will he play on? Are you swapping a current roster player for him?
Personally, I feel that as constructed, the Hawks are the best team in the Western Conference. I also think Stan plans on making a move or two to give them even a better shot to win a title. There is no point in rushing a trade just to make a trade.
Also, how do we know Stan didn’t make an offer for Iginla?
I think you need to look at moving a guy like Stalberg if it brings back an enforcer that has some offensive ability. I have no idea who that player would be, but they need that. Seems to be spots available on the 4th as well. We have prospects that we can move.
Am I wrong here? Do you really think this team as is, without and power forwards can win a cup?
For those saying Stan was not in on this isn’t completely accurate, if anyone watched Feaster’s presser on NHLN last night, he broke it down pretty straight forward. If not I’ll give you the cliff notes version. Iggy submitted a list of teams to Feaster(b/c Iggy has a no trade clause). Feaster called those teams(including the Hawks). 3 of 4 teams submitted offers back. So either the Hawks or Kings weren’t interested in making a move. 1 of them never submitted an offer or a serious offer at least. Clearly Feaster liked Pitt’s offer more than Boston or Iggy preferred Pitt over Boston that’s impossible to guess,…either way done deal.
I am very curious to see how Iggy plays the rest of the year. If he has anything left in the tank @ 36 the Pens are going to be a very tough out in the playoffs.
Bowman hasn’t made any deals outside of the fire sale after we won the cup in 2010. The Frolik and Oduya deals were done with ex-Hawk executives…Tallon took back his prized draft pick and Cheveldaye sold us Oduya for 2nd and 3rd round picks in the same draft. So there is no way anyone can say that Bowman is a savvy GM…
Stan has done a wonderful job of drafting and seeing potential in younger players (see Victor Stahlberg and Jimmy Hayes who Toronto didn’t want)…I like Bowman as a GM, as he clearly understands the CAP, and develops a solid rapport with the players. But to be a true GM you have to be able to make trades when the situation demands it. The Hawks record this season is OVER…what was done to this point means only 2 things…One, we will make the playoffs and likely finish no worse than 2nd in the conference, and Two, EVERY team will bring their A game against us.
Look around the league…team after team is making moves to compete against us. We have worked hard to put ourselves as the front runners for the Cup, and others are responding…do we just sit idly by while others get stronger? Ultimately, I don’t really know the answer to that, as the situation with the Hawks depends so much on player’s health…Sharp, Hossa, Bolland are big question marks due to health.
But the one thing that has become CONCRETELY evident is that a puck possession team must have possession of the puck, especially on a line that features Patrick Kane. We need a 2nd line Centre…and the 3rd and 4th lines SHOULD NOT CHANGE because of the connectivity those players have with one another. So where does that leave Dave Bolland? Again, I don’t have the answers, but I do know this, the Hawks MUST address that centre position or they simply won’t win in the playoffs.
Tab, you are right on. It is time to take a hard look at what is needed AND what is available. This is a team that is 25-7. That said, there is not a huge difference in the top 8 in our conference. So the Hawks really are fortunate to have the playoff cushion going forward. Switching Kruger and Bolland, even if it proves not to be a huge plus, I think is good for both players. And the Hawks have a little time and space to experiment, rest some players, get healthy. The question is do you want a $3.25mm player playing 7 or 8 minutes a game.
I am not going to second guess Bowman. He has a lot of constraints…..namely a lower cap next year. We should all be aware the the Hawks will NEED their top prospects next year to keep the Hawks under cap. We also need to remember that this team is rebuilt just 2 short years after the devastation that occurred after winning the cup. The Hawks did not just lose good and great players but chemistry as well…..
Brad Sr you are right on as well
Brad I hate disagree with you but you got to give credit where it is do, Leddy and Kim Johnson for Cam Barker was an absolute heist and was Stan’s 2nd trade. Actually Tab does an excellent job out outlining his tenure on the website.
You’re right, that was a great deal SSHM, as was getting Jimmy Hayes for one of our three 2nd rounders, as was ensuring that Stahlberg came as part of the Versteeg deal. But it was a long time ago…for 2 seasons Stan needed to step up and make a deal to get us the 2nd line centre, or move Sharp back to centre and get a power forward…he hasn’t done it…and it begs the question WHY? Bowman certainly has the smarts to be aware of our situation…certainly Q is aware of it…and they communicate…so what gives?
As I said, I like Bowman as our GM, but he has handicapped this team and himself by not dealing with the 2nd Centre issue for literally almost 4 years now…the list of auditions into the spot over the last 3 years have been laughable at best…and again, Bowman is a smart guy. Something’s up, but I can’t put a handle on what it is…
I think he’s just patient, Brad. He doesn’t want to rush into aquiring someone that will handicap other parts of the team a few years down the line. Yes, the Hawks were knocked out in the first round of the playoffs the last two years, but don’t forget who they lost to.
Was there something available the last two seasons the Hawks could have signed to put them over the top? Did Bowman assume that the cap was going to come down and he didn’t want to destroy the farm to load up on players he wouldn’t be able to keep?
Hard to tell.
I think its safe to say Stan is extremely patient and calculated in his approach. He prefers to draft players and build with picks and give him credit it has worked in the regular season.
Back to the trade front, Mike Ribeiro rejected the Caps extension offer, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is dealt and if so I’m sure Stan is already involved in those conversations. I’m sure the Caps are happy with the last trade from the Hawks/Brouwer. (Keep in mind we got the Danault in return) He isn’t a good faceoff man but he is a good/elite passer and would open the ice up to Kane a lot. Something to keep an eye on,….
Jagr
Ribeiro would be a great fit with Kane, but he is weak at the dot, and that is a real issue with this team that simply won’t go away by itself. To be honest, I think Ott is our best choice at this point…he can skate well enough, he knows how to score, and he is a TOP face-off guy…I think Ott would be worth his weight in gold…and I have also mentioned I really like Mitchell from Colorado…he would be a solid player to add.
Not getting Iggy does not bother me in the least. I believe that Bowman/s would/will make a move that could put us over the top to make a Cup run if it is out there. You have to give to get. As it stands I think we need a more physical presence on our back line. I would like to think that when it is demanded in the playoffs the guys can step up. Johnny(a little dab)Oduya needs to pick up his play. Duncan Keith while a finesse guy needs to add some grit. Seabs need to start banging more. Rossie is fine and Hammer can play more physical as well. Up front Bick can hit, along with Stahlberg, Shaw, Saad, Bollig and Hayes (while he is here). Fourth line is just fine as they were, once we get Hossa and Sharp back to the front 2 lines. Winning more faceoffs is essential especially with special team play. If Bolland can’t get better, a change needs to be made by Q. We have a few weeks left. Anaheim will be a good test to see where we are, but alot can happen in the next few weeks injury wise.
The key for a solid Cup run is to be able to skate 4 lines, play solid team d, and have your goalies control pucks to net. Never mind not letting softies in. So far this year we have had an excellent formula for playing winning hockey with this group. I wouldn’t mind a deal to get us a solid center, but Bowman knows more about what is out there than we do.
When you look at the current Hawks roster, a lot the strengths and the great future it has, belong to Bowman’s work…he inherited Teows and Kane, but he has also done a wonderful job dealing with both players, so that it is virtually certain that both will finish their careers as Hawks.
He was part of the team that went out and got Hossa, and made the deal “workable” for our CAP. Brandon Saad was an incredible steal in the 2nd round. None of us have to worry about whether Saad will “make it” or not, he’s a very good NHL’er right now. He locked up Sharp for the long term at a number that was fair to both parties. Jimmy Hayes was acquired in a trade for one of our three 2nd rounders, and is an above average NHL’er right now…when Hayes adds confidence to his game, how good can that kid be? Andrew Shaw is a very good NHL’er, and he came to us STRAIGHT OUT of Jr. Hockey…he was a 5th round pick and has produced for us from day 1…that’s an incredible draft selection. Bowman insisted on Stahlberg as part of the Versteeg deal…now we know why…Stahlberg is an important part of this team and isn’t going anywhere. Marcus Kruger is the real deal…another 5th round pick and has produced from the git go as well. Kruger is a big part of the future of this team, as is Shaw. Getting Frolik from Flordia, considering what we gave up was a nice move as well. He traded Brouwer (which had an immediate affect on our team) but in return drafted Danault who looks like he will become a very good NHL’er, maybe the long term solution for the 2nd line centre role. I liked the Hayes and McNeil 1st round picks as well. TT last year was an incredible steal at #18. But picks like Garrett Ross in the 5th round, Adam Clendening in the 2nd round, Holl and Johns in the 2nd, Mac Carruth in the 7th, and Chris Calnan in the 3rd are also great picks that ensure 4 line deep depth for the next decade. That’s great work by a GM…
He just needs to deal with the 2nd line Centre situation NOW.
If we look back to the summer, Pittsburgh is pushing all of their chips in right now in a big way. They’ve now traded away their 1st round pick (Iginla) and 2nd round pick (Douglas Murray) in 2013 and a conditional 2nd/3rd in 2014 (Murray). They added a 2013 3rd in the Brenden Morrow trade (sent out a 2013 5th)… impressively, though, Pittsburgh hasn’t parted ways with their top 4-5 prospects in any of these deals (also remember they added a top-10 pick in the Jordan Staal deal last summer).
Shero is doing a fascinating job right now. I’ll be interested to see who stays moving forward; the cap isn’t going to be kind to them this summer.
Tab, Any word on Sharp’s condition?
McNeil will be a big bust- AKA Beach…
Danault 3rd line Center-
Another steal- could be Broadhurst for OHL London (Kane;s old team) — Lighting it up in 1st round against Ross…
IMO-Hawks will not Win West without a rental- Too weak in front net/ Hoss/Sharp may not be 100% for Playoffs- and PP/Net presence is awful!!!!
Sharp & Hossa practiced with the team on Thursday. Both are OUT on Friday night vs ANA. Team being (rightfully) cautious w/ their two stars.
Since everyone else is throwing out their wish lists based on players that teams would be willing to trade, I would go with Duchene, Ott, Vermette, or Roy. Not wild about Ott or Roy, but feel that they are an upgrade at 2C. Hopefully for prospects or picks. I would try to keep Stalberg, given his value for a cup run this year. Please don’t trade for Clowe or Ribeiro, unless we are giving up very little value.
Also, can we please put Bickell on the top PP line for Shaw ? I really liked the work he did in the crease on the last PP on Tuesday.