Report: Blackhawks Overages Confirmed
Scott Powers at The Athletic reported on Thursday that the Blackhawks will have overages totaling $3.07 million carrying over to the 2016-17 season. Powers confirmed the number with assistant general manager Norm Maciver.
CapFriendly reported a slightly higher amount previously, but the key numbers are consistent. Artemi Panarin’s bonuses are the biggest hit, with Michal Rozsival and Teuvo Teravainen also getting small amounts. The difference between CapFriendly’s number and the figure Powers reported is the amount the Hawks were under the cap last season.
#Blackhawks ended up hitting $3,112,500 in bonuses, broken down as follows:
Panarin – $2,800,000
Rozsival – $100,000
Teräväinen – $212,500
— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) June 16, 2016
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Well with Bickell gone, the numbers balance out a little better.
The differences may be the terms bonuses and overages. 3.1125 in bonuses with a little cap room left. Most but not quite all will be charged as an overage.
I think another big salary gets moved but I dont know who.
Probably should have finished reading the article. Apologies.
Real hard to see how Shaw fits. A roster of the “haves” and the rest minimum salary marginal at best talents. Next season will be tough. Work to be done the next two years. Work to be done.
” “haves” and the rest minimum salary marginal at best talents”. The HAWKS have made this model work for them, resulting in 3 Cups in 7 years. Shaw doesn’t fit only because of $$$$, so he should bring some good picks. Besides, there are several “Shaws” waiting for their chance on the big club. Maybe it’s time for Hoss to play out his days in Europe. The HAWKS will be fine.
” “haves” and the rest minimum salary marginal at best talents” —– Sorry, this Nick is actually IndyRN. Sorry, Nick!
There are valid arguments both for and against keeping Shaw. There is nobody in the system however who brings what he does. Certainly not Ryan Hartmann. Shaw has incredibly good hand-eye coordination (deflections), great net-front positioning and presence, tenacity, and more, and he is at his best the harder the sledding (playoffs). He can also play up and down the lineup in a pinch and not be out of place (although clearly he is not a long-term solution in the top 6 or at center). I’ve read posts referring to him as fourth liner and easily replaced. Not really.
Nick – Hoss going to Europe brings very little relief due to recapture penalties built into his contract (good article recently from 2nd City Hockey). I believe the only way to get relief for Hoss is to trade him to another NHL team.
Losing Shaw will be a big blow. Sick and tired of this insistence that Hartman or some others can simply and easily replace what Shaw brings to the table. Rubbish. False. Completely false.
Sign Panerin to an extension then trade him for draft picks.
Then tank & get the #1 next year!!
Whaaaat!?!? It could happen…
MS-the recpture would still be in place for Hossa if hes traded and then retires. BY trading him the Hawks lose any leverage they have in his contract. 3 things can happen with him that would absolve the recapture. Teams can ask players to waive their NMC. Hossahas a hit of 5.275 for 4 more years at that point, but a salary of 1 million, So Vegas could take him.
Hossa could be placed on LTIR if a substantial injury arises. Ala Pronger and Savard.
I think the league would frown on this unless it was a definitive injury. The recapture was one of the things Bettman insisted on. Kovalchuk and the Devils are the only ones that have been effected by this so far. Personally I think that situation was staged so the Devils werent killed by it. They still have to pay 250k but thats mainly to do with him leaving so soon in the contract. If Hossa retires this offseason the cap hit would be 3.675 a year. Next year and every year after it would be 4.275
Obviously the Cap is making fans real stupid.
Are these overages a surprise? Didn’t we know this already?
A bit harsh there Arch but I do know what you mean. Trade Panarin for a first pick? ..we already have a first pick in him and one has to no look further than Edmonton to see how that strategy pans out.
So long Teuvo, we hardly knew ya.
Dale weiss could be an affordable option to fill a big void if schmaltz is convinced to sign hed be a winger for toews and hossa and weiss could play with krueger and maybe motte on 3rd line and swap time with hossa to help with the grind of long seasonand a 4th line of hinostroza panik desjardins may not be tbe faces we hoped to c but still a pretty damn goodi lineup
@ Arch: good handle.
Jordyhawk gets it! Thanks for the compliment.
Im fine letting Shaw walk. Id much rather have the Hawks add another defenseman then bring Shaw back. Im sorry his skill skill set can be replaced.
Next season the Hawks are going to have alot of holes. This team has taken a major step back. Wow how sad!
An eight year era ended. A new era begins. We aren’t a lock to make the playoffs in 2016-17. Stan has his work cut out over the next couple of seasons of trying to rebuild on the fly. Hopefully in 2-3 years the core will be supported by a once again quality mix of role players and their will be enough left in their tanks to win another Cup. Next two seasons are going to be a bit ugly. Bandwagoners will dry up and the hardcore fans will follow the development process with great interest. Will only have a good chance to reclaim glory if the cap creeps upward. And need to hit it big on a youngster or two ala the Saad pick.
I dont like the talk about Hoss retiring or going to europe I believe he is still a great player B
Agree that the anointing of Hartman as the 2nd coming of Shaw is way too premature. All reports indicate he must cut down on bad penalties.
But I also would be very leery of giving Shaw a “Bickell deal”.
Yes, Shaw plays with tremendous heart and grit but he also has a bit of a wonky back (nearly kept him out of game 6 win over Tampa).
Stan Bowman just paid Kruger $3 million per year.
Shaw likely wants, perhaps deserves, more and what about term ?
Stan Bowman also says “its a puzzle”. Toews, Hossa, Kane, Panerin, Anisimov, Kruger, Desi, Panik are part of that puzzle at forward right now, Keith, Seabrook, Nik H, TVR, Kempny, Svedberg, Gustaffson are part of that “puzzle” on defense.
With very little money left to spend. Selling “high” on Shaw might bring back at a 1st round draft pick next week (that’s what Matt Larkin at the Hockey News believes he would fetch).
With guys like Trevor Lewis, Dale Wiese (yes him) and Matt Martin available as UFA, They might be cheaper, competent options.
Bowman has already said on television after the Bickell/TT trade that the team is going to try their best to keep Shaw. No hemming and hawing, about how it would be nice etc. Actually saying they are trying to do what they can to keep him. Plus it was apparent after the playoffs ended that Q and SB both had every intention of bringing him back. So unless that is some kind of smoke screen (for what I don’t know) he’s got a good chance to be back regardless of these overages.
No team is an absolute dead mortal sinch lock for the playoffs, but the Blackhawks bring back a helluva lot of talent and a great goaltender next season. Going far in the playoffs may be a concern, depending on matchups, but I’m not too concerned about their ability to make the post season.
Bobby-At 5.25 for… 5 more seasons?
Those bonus bucks just cost us Tevo. I am not hung up on Panarin./././ at all . He never gets in the dirty areas . Calder winner,.,.,Don,t mean much round here.
The line he played on is 1 of the best in the n.h.l. cast this anomaly away for some draft picks and a couple pucks ,.,shit.,.,he will never be on a cup winning team,.,..,not like Tevo ,.,.
Maybe it was one of the best lines because he was one of those on that line.
Craig- 2 things, first does anyone remember this?http://committedindians.com/where-is-andrew-shaw/
Second, the Stars just got a fifth round pick for Goligoski’s rights. Granted Goligoski was a UFA and could be lost for nothing if unsigned. But still, I have a hard time believing someone offers a first.
Here’s what I think happens. Hawks place minimum tender on him. 1 yr at 2.5 off the top of my head. Shaw doesn’t sign right away. Someone offer sheets him something more than 3.755234. Hawks refuse and get a 1st and 3rd. If the offer sheet is less than that figure it would be a 2nd round pick. I think they’d match the second rd pick but would accept the 1st and 3rd. I think they’re actually hoping for the latter.
Rtf- Scott Powers seems to think the Hawks are hoping they can coerce Schmaltz into signing. The cheapest, most talented option to replacing Teuvo.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. I’m not worried about Hossa. His contract ties him to us in $$ no matter what we do or if he retires. After this coming season, I believe, his cap hit is $1 mil per for the last 4 years. If he stays healthy, (like Jagr perhaps, I can dream can’t I?), where else are you going to find a player of his caliber, with his 200 ft. game, for that money? A guy who is invaluable in the room, a guy who can help the transition for the kids. Hossa’s value is undeniable. He knows that he’s a third line guy now, and he knows it’s better for the team. He’s going to surprise some folks next year. You heard it here first.
There have been reports that the Hawks and Shaw are far apart on reaching a deal.
If so, can that gap be closed in 6 days ? I don’t know. But I do know, that with all 30 GMs in Buffalo next week, the chance of an unsigned Shaw getting traded goes up.
Secondly, I think Stan Bowman is very leery of being backed into a corner like the Saad situation last year. Remember the Columbus G-M said the deal – fell into his lap, that the Hawks came calling offering Saad, We all know the back story. Saad did not to take a bridge deal, he asked for close to $6 Million and was gone, just like that.
I think if negotiations bog down between Shaw’s camp and Bowman, Stan will go to the draft and act swiftly. Just my .02
Tony- his salary goes down to 1 million. But his average annual value which is also the cap hit is still 5.25 and will remain 5.25 until the end.
Craig- I’m in the camp that doesn’t think Shaw will be here. Not unless wall gets his wish. Last year the Hawks didn’t have the overage. They have 16 players signed and 5.37 in space right now. The numbers don’t work. Last year they could manage a certain number, something like Anisimov’s. So they could trade Saad and get players back.
They can’t really take roster players back with Shaw as they can’t afford him as it is. So your at draft pick compensation. I don’t see a team doing what the caps did with Brouwer and trade a first for negotiating rights. The Hawks could tender him the 2.5, his minimum tender. Maintain control of the player and wait for someone to offer sheet him. Quite possibly for a third round pick more than you’d get if you just traded him for the pick outright.
I also agree with you about giving Shaw the money. Hence why I linked Tab’s article. Shaw was absent for two months. He plays a big man’s game without the stature. It takes a toll. Just a matter of time before his effectiveness goes away.
Very good points Ernie.
Buffalo has 1 second round pick and 4 third rounders.
Carolina (yes them again) has 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders.
Toronto has 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, 2 third rounders, 2 4th rounders.
Edmonton has 3 3rd rounders and 2 5th rounders.
Philadelphia has 2 seconds, 2 thirds,
I post this because these are all teams that might be looking to wheel and deal at the draft using multiple picks as currency.
Stan traded Frolik for a 3rd and a 5th at the 2013 draft.
He traded Bolland for a 2nd and a 4th at the same draft.
It’s always tough to predict trades that involve draft picks. I thought Stan would not part with Teuvo unless he absolutely got a late 1st rounder. The Stan remarked after the deal how important it was to get into the SECOND round. Guess that was as high as Carolina would go and still take Bickell.
One other note, Isles GM Garth Snow said that he does not foresee making any trades at the draft because the team does not have a 2nd, 3rd or 5th. He said in order to move around and make noise you have to have lots of picks, which the above teams I have listed clearly have.
Edit : Carolina has 2 first rounders and 3 third rounders, they have their own 2nd rounder as well.
Why not try to part ways with Hossa? He might still have some trade value and have an impact on the cap.
Again, if Hossa is traded the Hawks lose whatever control they have over the contract. Which means a recapture if and when he retires.
Those 4 picks Craig alluded to turned into… Carl Dahlstrom, Fredrick Olofsson. Robin Norell was drafted by trading a third Toronto pick to the Sharks and also doing some pick swapping that included the pick that turned into, Luc Snuggerud. The Frolik deal scored John Hayden and Luke Johnson.
Whatever happens at the draft with pick acquisition, be prepared to wait 4 years unless someone is an absolute home run.
On the heels of the draft, unrestricted free agency is now less than 2 weeks away.
The Hawks have only 8 forwards under contract. They will need 5 more, 4 if they sign Shaw.
Realistically 2, maybe 3 rookies make it from a pool of Motte, Hartman, McNeill, Hinostroza, Kero and Lundberg.
Here are some free agents I could see the Hawks exploring on a 1 year, $800,000 deal :
Chris Stewart Anaheim, Patrick Eaves Dallas, Trevor Lewis, LA, Jiri Tlusty, NJ, Nick Spaling, SJ, Michael Grabner Toronto.
All of these players have holes in their games but one or two of them could fill a 3rd or 4th line role.
Shaw will be traded. There really is no other option given the cap crisis. His loss will be a major blow, but the Hawks have entered a new era and the next couple of seasons is going to be about rebuilding on the fly AND hoping beyond hope that the cap goes up. Not a fan at all of Hartman, but he has an opportunity now. In fact I’m not a fan of Hino, Kero, Baun either. None of these guys is legitimate NHL forward material on a sustained basis. But that is where we are at…the erosion of the complementary players has become so severe thanks to the cap that all you can do is find minimum contract players to fill out a roster. There is no “middle class” player on this team anymore other than Des Jardins really.
The Hawks survived the carnage last summer and had a pretty good year in a tough division. Managing the cap takes as much skill as coaching the team on the ice. That’s why the Hawks are such a good team each year – Q and SB are doing a great job. Finding gems like Panarin helps a lot, if they could find one or two more (Kempny?, Forsling?) they could be serious contenders next year.
Ernie- Right on- the 11:21 post…
it will most likely be Shaw or Crow- being moved…
Dare I say- It COULD be both!!! If/only if Someone gives SB what he Wants for Crow… Rumor is- Crow is being Dangled…. I can see a case with SB targeting a “Player” in this year’s 1st round (and if He can get that “pick” in trade… Crow is gone) …German Rubtsov (for example-supposed to be a “Hawk-type” prospect) …
this year’s cap crunch is tough…but next Year’s will be worse… with Panarin commanding $6M-$8M???
Still think Hawks need to spread the wealth with lines … so 72/88/81 need to be on 3 different lines!!!
Panarin is going to be very difficult if not impossible to retain after next season. It’s the Saad situation all over again.
If Hossa is taken in the expansion draft, it becomes easier to retain Panarin. Canadian dollar is bouncing back up, and a couple Canadian teams in the playoffs and we could see the cap go up 5 million. Not to mention this world cup thing, pretty sure the league can count that to hockey related revenue…even though I think that will be a total flop.
The Hawks can probably afford Shaw for one year. There should be just enough space to do it. The problem is they cannot afford him past one year. Not unless Pararin’s new deal is under $4mil per yr. So there is no way they extend him unless it’s a one year contract, a team affordable deal, or they trade someone like Kruger and/or Anisimov. That is why Teravainen got dealt. Chicago can’t afford to extend him either so he was gone either now or next season. Might as well improve the team right now and bundle Bickell in a trade. There’s not much money coming off the books next year and the priority should be to use that money on Artemi. Not Shaw or TT.
World Cup will be bigger than big in Canada. Huge. It even has the Millennials engaged big time.
The Cndn dollar is getting stronger. The housing market is on fire with the average home price now exceeding half a million the country.
As for Canadian teams in the playoffs I would have to say it still looks kind of shaky. Edmonton should have a breakout year but we heard that story before. Montreal is spinning its wheels, Toronto not yet, Vancouver seriously going backwards, Calgary I thought would be good last year but they were horrid, Winnipeg in too tough and possibly going backwards, Ottawa is on the cheap and too dependant on one guy…they are like Arizona hanging around the playoff spot if they are lucky enough.
A lot of growth in Soccer, women’s sports, Basketball, and changing demographics with a disengaged and uninterested Millennial generation is causing huge problems for hockey.
Austin- they have 5.37 million in cap including overage, but before the cap increase to sign 5-6 players. Talking 8 million to sign 6 guys. If Shaw wants 4 you have 4 million to sign 4-5 guys. Shaw can not be tendered for less than 2.5
The good news is the Hawks main competitors in the Central have money and player issues as well.
Dallas just lost Goligoski. Demers and Russell are UFA. That’s 3 of their top 6 defensemen. Oduya, Klingberg and Johns return along with their shaky goaltending tandem. Jim Nill has a busy summer ahead.
St. Louis is about to lose Brouwer and possibly Backes. I did not like the Mike Yeo hire at all.
Los Angeles has major problems on the back end plus Dustin Brown’s contract is worse than Bickell’s. They might lose Lucic.
Shaw will be a sign and trade. I’m hearing Crow and Shaw to Edmonton for Taylor Hall and Cam Talbot. I swear my little Pug’s lips were moving when I heard it. Talbot made only 1.45 million last season. Not sure if he resigned for more. That would provide us very slight cap relief, but fill one of our major holes at left wing and provide a back fill in goal.
Everyone is quick to replace Shaw with Hartman. If Hartman was that good, he would have been playing on the lower lines last year.
I understand the cap crunch, really I do, but anyone suggesting trading Crow merits being seriously asked whether or not they even watched the Hawks last season. He was team co-MVP in my opinion and while that is just my opinion I doubt many could honestly or credibly contend that he wasn’t one of the teams 3 best players.
This isn’t the same team or same league that could afford to carry Huet or Niemi. The league has tightened up and we find ourselves outshot just as often as we outshoot opponents anymore. Crow is essential to winning. If your vision is to rebuild on the fly and take the next season or two off, by all means, trade Crow. But when you wake up to winning again Keith will be 35, Seabs will be 34, Hossa will be retired Hammer will be 32. This is a core currently in it’s prime. It’s being pushed up against the cap, certainly, but no time to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Talbot’s deal begins this year. 3 years with a hit of 4.166. Hall’s hit is 6. Without retaining salary, Hawks would add salary in that deal. Numbers don’t work.
Ernie, I am on board with your take on how the Shaw situation will work out, although I can’t see a team paying 1st and 3rd for him, which would be next years draft. And whoever made the comment about no middle class on this team is right and it will be that way for a long time. I would like Schmaltz to come on board but I sense that if he has waited this long it won’t happen this year. And other thoughts, I have a better feel about this teams D situation than most fans or writers, I think it will be pretty good, and hope our best player doesn’t get suspended for the 1st game of the playoffs again, that 1 game probably made a big difference. And I guess I came to the same thought the RTF has had about Teavue, he was not a good fit, I love his ice vision and creativity but have to say he brought soo little to that Blues series, just was hoping the return would have been a little better, but it is what it is. I realize Stan has a VERY tough job but can anyone explain why Runblad is taking up very valuable space on this years cap, that’s almost like the Cubs gave Edwin Jackson all that money, but they don’t have a cap, just a budget.
AND one last thing, I have a good feel about how well Motte will impact 2016-2017.
If Rundblad doesn’t play in the NHL this year his cost against the cap is marginal.
Datsyuk makes it official. He’s not returning to Detroit for the last year of his contract. At least the Blackhawks don’t have to deal with that kind of issue.
I will not be surprised if Bowman trades Panarin. We are very doubtful going to be able to sign him after next season and this team has entered a new era anyway. So trade him to the highest bidder and try to replenish with young talent and picks coming back that also help the cap situation the next few years while we try to rebuild on the fly. It might be the ballsy right strategy. I don’t see the Hawks as a serious team next season, so why not rip the bandaid off and do what can be done now with Panarin. He would be worth a lot in trade. His loss would very obviously be a blow in the short term. But there are no easy answers. Nobody but nobody thought Saad would be moved last summer, and look at what happened there.
Euhhh Shaw and Crawford to a west team …euhhh for the attitude problem Hall …com on give me a break …
Forget about it …it wont happend..
Iff Crawford is trade it will be in the East ….for sure with Shaw for Price and Gallager ….euhhhh. …hehe
Starting to think the same way about Panarin. Teams would back the truck up. That said, the move of TT sort of signals the front offices intentions.
If we could land the Vessey sweeps and get a seriously nice package in return, losing Panarin wouldn’t necessarily kill us.
What! are you guys off your freakin’ rockers or something..trade Crawford? Trade Panarin? Are you trying to be cool or did you forget your pills this morning? Go out into the country, see some trees, feed some squirrels and get some air for crying out loud.
Bill, the way the offer sheet system works is if Shaw signs papers from another team for more than $3,755,233 and the Hawks refuse to match the Hawks receive the signing teams 1st and 3rd picks next year. Any less than that number and it’s next year’s 2nd.
Because Shaw is RFA and made over 1 million his minimum tender is 100% of previous year. Which was 2.5. So they tender him at 2.5. They can probably take that if he accepts the tender under a Kruger like agreement. If he declines it also guarantees them at least a 2nd Rd pick next year if/when he’s offer sheeted.
The only thing you gain by trading him for picks this year is a prospect thats 1 year closer. You could have 2 picks if you wait a year. It could depend on who the offer sheet team may be as well. If it’s a prospective lottery team.. He gone!
In conclusion, nothing happens until July 1.
If an offer sheet is a 2nd (less than 3.755, Hawks match.
If sheet is 1st and 3rd compensation, he’s gone.
Shaw-similar as above.
In that scenario the Hawks add salary. Come on guys, at least look up numbers before throwing out ideas.
Capfriendly, generalfanager, hell even the much hated hockey buzz has cap and contract info. (Usually just takes the other guys info.)
“With very little money left to spend. Selling “high” on Shaw might bring back at a 1st round draft pick next week (that’s what Matt Larkin at the Hockey News believes he would fetch).” (Craig Nigrelli) — with the overages taking most of the Bickell salary dump, this seems very likely. Or, Stan will have to move another large salary…
Yoda – it’s difficult to yours points about Crawford/winning/the currently in it’s prime. An argument could be made that in cap “crises”(?) mode, the organ-I-zation might consider applying “moneyball” to goaltenders. (Maybe Wall can provide some insight?) I read a couple of pieces about this which included stats (evidence) supporting that the difference between high and low salaries was greater than effectiveness of the well-paid and not-so-well-paid goaltenders. Crawford and Quick were instrumental in their team winning the Cup, but so was Matt Murray… Vesey? Who KNOWS what he will do in the NHL – we’ve seen Panarin. It’s nice to talk about replenish with young talent and picks, but how many picks amount to the player Panarin already is? Same with young talent – you may end up paying more for less. I would hope that the Saad experience has Stan B motivated to sign Panarin long-term (and make the moves necessary to do that).
OK, my one crazy idea of the offseason, allow me one, will not do it again.
Seabrook and Panarin
Subban and 9OA
9OA, Shaw, Pokka
Draft either Dubois or Tckachuk and run one out on the LW next season.
Offer Vesey playing with Kane and hope for the best on that front.
Subban would cost about 1.4 million this year but considerably less thereafter considering Panarins bonuses and what it would take to resign him.
OH, and I am well aware of all the problems inherent with this fantasy, NMC etc. Just for fun.
Blockbuster with the leafs picture it the mvp rookie of the year and 1st overall pick on the same line
No comment on the goalie stuff.
Panarin should be a priority to resign this offseason. At least in the attempt you would gauge where he and his agent project his value. Because there is a chance he would sign longterm at 6ish million, but I doubt anyone would be surprised were his agent to start the talks at 8ish. You want to know these things NOW because of the dominos that follow. Because if Panarin is signed at 8mil that contract is essentially mutually exclusive to either Seabrook, Crow, or Anisimov – and you would hopefully like to be planning around that a year ahead of time.
This is becoming silly and a waste of time….why don’t you guys go to Carolina, Columbus or Arizona where silliness abounds.
What is wrong with being silly?
and I certainly do not feel like I am wasting my time. Thanks for coming out though.
Ian, I’ll put this nicely in case that wasn’t a joke. 1st overall picks don’t get traded. Not today. It’s been 13 years.
Yoda-were kind of all wasting our time as our speculation, ideas, and plain bullshit matters not as we don’t make the decisions
Turns out we all kind of enjoy all this BS though.
Thats why I dont think its a waste of time. All part of being a fan… to the degree we are all fans
True. I just know I’ve got doors to stain, window sills to finish,cabinets to install… And here I am wasting time because I don’t want to clean my garage
Ernie, There is no reason to look up the numbers; we have you. ;-)
If I were anywhere near I would offer to help and then we could chew over all this BS in person
(While getting your list done)
Hahahahahah. Thanks…I think Booman. I mean it’s a compliment…but it’s more work so I don’t know how I feel about that.
Appreciate it Yoda. This whole building your own house thing by yourself sounded so cool…18 months ago.
I’ve also got 15 beehives to check on this weekend. Any takers? Ha
I am just learning how do take care of beehives myself. I work at a hotel in Quebec where we have rooftop gardens and 5 beehives. Really fun stuff to learn.
Do you have them on your property?
Yep. It’s a property tax thing. I have 5 acres and my neighbor (who’s also my dad) has 5 acres as well. He’s had em for a few years, but never really put much effort into learning them. It’s my first year with them on my side of the fence so I’m trying to be more diligent. He lost all but 1 hive this winter due to mites. Y’all got varroa up there?
Datsyuk returning to Russia. At least the Blackhawks don’t have that kind of cap hit problem to deal with.
The trading of Crawford is an interesting idea. It would be huge news if it happened but it might be needed for longer term financial stability and picks.
Interesting quote from Ron Hextall this week, he said he still believes you win with goaltending, defense and centers.
That is not a new theory (obviously), but with so much talk now that a team can win the Cup with a Marty Murray and the additional trade talk involving Crawford, it’s interesting to surmise that Hextall might be interested in CC.
However, I think Stan will be on the march to and from the toronto table a lot on draft day. They have so many picks plus cap space plus CC would likely be willing to go plus a need for a good goalie after the Bernier disaster plus if Shanahan and Lou went back to Toronto after the draft with Austin Matthews and Corey Crawford, they would be greeted as heroes. Makes sense.
On Jimmy Vesey. It would be a coup if Stan somehow signed him in late August. He reportedly is going to make a pitch. All the smoke though has him signing with Boston, then when I looked up where he has played in his life, I realized Vesey has never been out of New England. So signing with Boston would be he his comfort zone, following his buddy Eichel to Buffalo would be like leaving home for him, even though it’s only an 8 hour drive or 1 hour flight. Signing with Chicago would likely seem like moving to California for the kid. Don’t see it happening.
Now back to Shaw and Crawford !
Matt Murray set records last year in the AHL for shutouts with like 13 or something crazy. He didn’t come from nowhere
Was going off the top of my head on Murray. He had 12 shutouts last year in Wilkes-Barre… In 40 starts!
That’s the thing I think we need to remember. The other top5 teams are in the same cap situation or worse as we are.
Sign Shawzer for 1/yr.
We 4.5m for 5 positions (1.7m/two .800 and two .600).
We are in good shape. Have a couple rookies and young players fill in the 1st 40 games then add a couple good players at deadline. Main thing is to roll 4lines during the 1st 40 games when we are playing those younger guys.
Speaking of bad situations. Datsyuk has retired. His agent is a stroke. Holland wanted one year. Agent 5. Settles at 3. A week after the ink dried Datsyuk said this was his last year and wanted to go home.
Reports are out there saying they may terminate the contract rather than trade it as they can’t find any reasonable takers. Terminating the contract saves 5.5 on the payroll. But the full 7.5 hit remains. Ouch.
You need a top flight, proven goalie to consistently win/have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. The goalie far more often than not makes the difference whether the given team wins the Stanley Cup or not. There are aberrations once in awhile (Niemi, the goalie this year for Pitt), but generally speaking if you don’t have a rock solid goalie that can navigate four rounds of the playoffs, good night Irene.
Trading Crawford is a moronic, terrible idea. I will re-state a way to save a bunch of cap $ once again — trade Kruger and trade Shaw, you are in business then. Other than some of us on this blog, where is the mainstream media — at minimum — questioning why Bowman signed Kruger to a long-term $3M+ cap hit contract? Without a salary cap, fine, throw the money around like Jay Rockefeller; under a hard cap and the Hawks’ issues, you CANNOT pay someone like Kruger that much money, it’s crazy. Shaw is worth $6M per by comparison; his agent has to love this, either the Hawks or someone else is going to overpay him by whatever millions. I think Bowman will sign Shaw, he has the same agent as the $21M cap hit brothers. I am against this as I have repeatedly stated.
Ernie, it was a compliment. The other stuff you do is work. This is your fun. Don’t mix the two.
Yeah ernie getting matthews is just dreaming but point is only way to change the cap crunch is to trade existing cap for entry level salary and future cap and have cap to work with now
I agree with Iceman. Kruger and his contract has got to go. Regardless of his attributes and service to the Hawks to date you simply can`t pay a third or fourth line centerman with very limited point production 3 Million per year under these / our Cap circumstances. Matt Cullen was paid $800,00 by the Penguins this year to do what Kruger does and he did it very well. That is Cap Management. Kruger needs to be traded and if possible then sign Shaw to replace him and keep Crawford.
With not keeping 86 that leaves 2 top 6 positions open (with 81 on 3rd). That could actually help with getting Vesey.
I ve heard Bowman say that he doesn’t trade/re-sign a player/position without having another player that can do that role. That it just creates a hole there instead. Which makes me think were trying to get a good FW/that theres a plan and Bowman is not done.
This is a good sign.
NHLPA will agree to exercise the escalator clause (5%) but wants to make sure everybody’s on board before making it official.
10:14 PM – 16 Jun 2016
He can’t be done because this team is not good enough as it stands now to compete for the Cup. I feel he has to move 1 or 2 of the core (and their salaries). If he waits a year or two or three, he may not be able to unload these contracts. The team then could be mired in mediocrity for years laden with more than one Bickell scenario.
The sign and trade option for Shaw might come into play. The Blackhawks are in the same spot as other teams (i.e. St. Louis) where there are guys that they would love to keep, but the cap situation just won’t allow them to do it.
As Tab has said numerous times. By trading Kruger, all it does is have everyone of us bitch because only Toews wins draws. Go back 2 years for Kruger. Last year was essentially lost. But he did produce more upon his return than pre-injury. 2 years ago he had his best point production. Having Brandon Mashinter line up next to you and Andrew Desjardins on the other side will most definitely drag your production down.
Pair Kruger with Hossa, who still has more offense than anyone Kruger has played with in 3 years. Put Motte on the other side and he could be a 30 point player. While also playing a shut down role. His value isn’t solely point production.
I am terribly disappointed in the teraveinen trade. Trading young players with huge upside for salary cap relief tells me the hawks are going the wrong way now. Time to start talking about selling at the trade deadline. Disaster!
I love that the sky is falling 2 weeks before free agency begins.
If you filtered out all the apologists, Captain Obvious’s, folks who repeat the same thing over and over, illiterate’s ( folks who do this!!!!!!!!!!!???????) as if an emphasis means nothing, non thinkers, red meat knee jerk types, those that think it’s their money, Crawford haters and now Panarin haters, got to get rid of Hossa types, silly cap artists and those living in mom and dads basement you would have maybe 8 guys left. Living and suffering with the rest is the price we have to be pay for free speech. At least try to think a little bit before you scribe and stop making fools of yourself’s. After all it’s not a comedy site and you are definitely not cool or impressing anyone.
Trading a young 21 year old player with huge upside who was a #1 pick who the Hawks have been developing for years just to get rid of the last year of Bickell’s contract. If that was the best option in the salary cap situation the Hawks are in then the Hawks have loads of trouble. Giving up the future when you just got eliminated in the first round. Ouch.!
It didn’t look good at first with the Saader trade, then it was good. Same thing here, do not want to have to do it. Then 72 and 8 could be better players long term.