Blackhawks Sign Lucas Wallmark
The Blackhawks have signed another forward – for their bottom six.
Chicago agreed to terms on a one-year, $950k deal with center Lucas Wallmark.
Wallmark, 25, split last season between Carolina and Florida; he was part of the trade that sent Vincent Trocheck to Carolina. He had 11 goals and 12 assists with Carolina before the trade and two points in seven games for the Panthers. He averaged 12:49 per game with Carolina.
Wallmark took 685 faceoffs with Carolina, which ranked third for the Canes. He won 50.1 percent of those draws. He also ranked second on the Canes behind Jordan Staal in short-handed faceoffs taken (he won 30 of 74).
Carolina originally selected Wallmark in the fourth round (#97 overall) in the 2014 NHL Draft.
moved to scottsdale recently and must buy nhl center ice to watch the hawks. once that would have been a no brainer decision. now……..?????
Heres our faceoff center/wing that we need. Sharp Shaw other were around 50% to go with 19 16. Got to have enough layers who can do 50 with 2 faceoff gems.
Read Crawford never had any negotiations with Supreme Being.
The Being made his offer and then……nothing.
No back and forth.
Just a conversation later saying the team is moving on.
Further evidence the Supreme Being did not want Crawford.
Amazing.
Meanwhile….
Avalanche writers report that Zadarov character is a big guy who can hit, but is out of position a lot and has nothing to offer offensively.
Stop me if you hear echoes of Enrico Ciccone.
Amazing part II.
The philosopher Santayana was right:
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
They must not discuss history in Supreme Being’s mensa meetings.
This is not a good nor bad move. It’s just a move.
Aww … Stan played hardball with Crawford … I’m getting misty eyed. Stan is such a meanie.
I’m really happy with this offseason so far. It was long overdue and now that McD is gone it has started to get done.
Guess I won’t make any plans for next spring cuz this team is definitely gonna make a deep playoff run and I don’t wanna miss it! Man, the Blues, Av’s, Stars and Jets must be pooping themselves right now.
Wallmark & Janmark are actually nice signings in a vacuum. Both are solid bottom-six forwards who will improve the team defensively.
HOWEVER….
They’ll be joined in competing for bottom six spots by:
Shaw
Smith
Carpenter
Nylander
Kampf
Highmore
Chalupa
Pirri
Quenneville
This list does not include Suter, who I think slides into a top-six wing spot.
Im thinking Strome is gonna be dealt.
I’m not very familiar with Wallmark – last I remember him was 2 years ago in CAR playoffs and he was a good defensive bottom 6 guy then so I assume he still is
probably better than Carpenter, Highmore and Kampf so it’s likely an upgrade there
If he plays 4th for Hawks that’s good – if they expect 3rd line or if he’s supposed to take Strome’s place after a potential trade then that’s not so good
Stromes contract offer just got smaller.
Up to you Strome. Smart to take whatever is offered from the Blackhawks. They play strome on the power play which….isnt great and many of his points come from playing with kane( I could be wrong here someone help me out)
What’s baffling to me is the lack of time Strome and debrincat play together. Isnt this one of the reasons they traded for him.
Now this is where Stan is smart to sit tight and see if Strome caved for a smaller contract or waits for the highest bidder on on Strome or heck due to financials may be packaged with Smith to save money. So if Stan is smart he will slow-play this move and go with what’s best as the panic moves have already been made…..so we can expect to see a move made tomorrow then right ?
This is a business after all. I’d rather see deHaan or even Murphy go if the return is solid….Ovechkin is still not signed next year. Think Versteeg and Rosival give Ovechkin the blessing to return wearing 32? If debrincat is Seattle selected are you upset if hes replaced by a more expensive Ovechkin?
Wrap – I just don’t see Strome as a 3c. He is a mediocre skater, weak at the dot and doesn’t have great defensive awareness. He is solidly behind Toews and Dach so I think he needs to be moved to a team that needs offense. Wallmark had 25 points in 67 games last year while Strome had 38 points in 58 games. It’s safe to say Strome was playing with much more talented wingers. Wallmark is much better at the dot and a much better defensive center. I would love to see us get value for Strome either in players or picks and I am ok with Wallmark at 3c if that’s where he ended up.
Good moves short term which I like hope we don’t give up on strom I was thinking2.5 three years hope it works
I think Kamph,Carpenter,and Highmore,Smith,Nylander all are going to be gone.Janmark,Walmark,Suter,Pirri,Hagel,and Chalupa will be the 3rd and 4th lines.
Let’s shore up the defensive forwards by spending $3.25 millon to do so. Now we have about a dozen bottom six forwards for six slots.
This is necessary bc the only goalie you could trust — arguably a Hall of Famer, and who played fresh off the virus when he didn’t have to — you decided didn’t belong on the team anymore. Even though he proved in the middle of summer out of his bed he was the team’s best line of defense. By a landslide.
If you think he didn’t belong on the team anymore, why not just let the three young goalies (all 25 and older) play in the bubble instead, where you would have lost in the 1st round and been a virtual lock to draft the Russian goalie you wanted?
Lastly, instead of making your intentions — that you weren’t going to re sign him — known to the loyal, proven, dedicated and beloved goalie, you let him hang for six weeks. Then, when the clock is about to strike midnight, sayanara. Adios. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
So the moral of the story is these signings would be fine in the normal course for a decent team w a good goalie. However, the general manager is on record a few days ago stating, in relevant portion, that it’s time to give the young players a chance. These signings are the exact antithesis of what he said.
What else is new? A disingenuous, self-preservationist. Bob Pulford is still alive living in the Chicago burbs. He has to have a smile on his face, smoking a cigarette of course, with the way Bowman does business. Bowman comes first, everything else follows.
Good evening.
I’ll add this signing is now the third player (of three) who has a very tradable contract come trade deadline or even before and one of two who also could be traded next draft as RFA after the season. Not too bad while the prospects are sorted out as to if they can play in the nhl this year or next or ever.
Big focus for me is Seattle draft, team losing money, lots of rookies who can be called up and down from the minors without having to hit waivers.
For rebuild there sure seems to be quite a few options…looks like more of a retooling to me. Oh regarding Saad. He’s welcome to sign here next year. He is a free agent after all.
Also everyone needs to keep in mind no one knows what training camp or the minor leagues look like this year. If the minors are a no go can the nhl change roster management in terms of players with the club? I’m not sure they can with the player-owner-league agreement
Never really got any answers reactions to what if Saad was traded at trade deadline for something like a second round draft pick(which in a good team is basically a third round), not traded at all and walks as free agent. Still waiting.
MS – I’ll bow to your superior knowledge of Wallmark although my hope is that Strome has been working on his skating and comes to camp a better skater (if he’s not traded)
He finally looked engaged by the last couple of playoff games vs Vegas – if he could just get to where he needs to be a little faster and keep his engagement up he could be a fine player – even his defensive abilities would improve significantly if he could just get there in time – he’s not stupid I think he knows the game he just isn’t fast enough to execute
presumably the Hawks know what he’s working on or not – if he does get traded I’ll take solace in the fact that Wallmark may be a suitable 3C
Long live Supreme Being!
He is mean, tough, and captain of his mensa debate team.
He is exhibit A of the following colloquialism:
‘If you are gonna be very stupid, you better be a little tough.’
Stephanie has rendered a verdict on the former.
Jury still out on the latter.
If the Hawks are out of playoff contention at the trade deadline, I would imagine Stan would be in a great position to sell.
Janmark is an absolute energizer bunny, the guy plays incredibly hard shift-to-shift. He’s a UFA after this season.
Wallmark is really underrated and a solid player and only 25.
Zadorov – big stay-at-home, physical defenseman. Teams are always looking to add that type of player at the deadline.
Strome would be wise to accept his qualifying offer.
Honest agree reminds of baseball off season moves of teams not planning to contend. Sign cheap tradeable contracts that can be moved at tdl to contending teams looking for help. Remember last tdl, nothing higher than a 2nd for expiring deals, not sure how much return they bring. However he is a serviceable 3c until then, when maybe a younger guy be ready to play there.
Craig think Strome at this point either signs Qo, signs in Europe or gets traded. Nylander on an expiring deal too, could become trade bait also.
Anybody notice Subbans Qo was $850,000 same as what he signed for. Reason for not giving Qo for that amount, option be there then for Dubban to file for arbitration and be awarded bit of a raise likely.
Nste Schmidt to Canucks for a 3rd round pick, hate to say it but that looks a lot better than Saad for Zadorov in my opinion.
Dear Honest Guy,
Ever heard of Blake Coleman? That should have been Stan’s only reply to anyone calling about Saad. The market is clearly set for that kind of player, a first round pick and a top prospect.
The market was set with that deal. Same kind of player. Nolan Foote, a former 17 overall first round pick, and another first round pick that was Vancouvers, so higher in the draft, for a 20 goal scorinG hard working third line gritty winger.
Hell Columbus traded the same player, Saad, and got Artemi Panarin. We got Zadorov. And pay $1 million to boot.
The only problem with all of Stans deals is that he can’t trade with Stan Bowman on the other side.
One more…Barclay Goodrow is another third line player Tampa won the Cup with. They gave up a first round pick for him too.
But keep defending how Stan got a reasonable return for Saad. Please
Strome is as good as gone. Not sure I understand any of you who thinks Strome is coming back.
Stan has added three guys who will soak up minutes in 2021. Wallmark is an okay player. Smart, knows his role, plays hard every shift, and helps in the face off circle. Like the other two recent acquisitions, Wallmark could be an attractive mid-season trade chip.
I hope Stan’s wisdom (?) includes the end of the Nylander experiment. Seems like there may be a J. C. hurdle to overcome there, unless he is moved off of the roster to another team. And as others have said, Strome better take his qualifying offer and try and do something with it.
Geez, is Shaw really going to try and play? Is he really in the mix? Maybe it’s a wait and see if he can play, since he can’t really be moved with his history and his salary. If he were to (miraculously) be healthy he could be an addition. If he’s injured again soon after resumption of play, then others can step in.
Mike – Blake Coleman’s cap hit is $1.8m, Barclay Goodrow’s is $925k. Saad’s was $6m. Tampa gave up a lot for quality, low cost pieces. Much different than swallowing Saad’s cap hit.
Ian – agree.
Here Mike – agree.
So two unnecessary forwards (if you’re going all in in young players) signed and Subban for total of $4,075,000 if my math is correct. Instead of Crawford for $3.5M for two years ($7M total), and you save $500,000 plus and not have to worry about who the goalie is for two years.
Not to mention well well well under market value for Saad as posted by others above.
Perimeter Player…your use of the term Supreme Being is getting really tiring and undermines any intelligent thing you might say on this board…try acting like an adult
Let’s get Fluery at 3.5mil and NJ’s 2nd round from Vegas for Smith at 1.125mil and one of goalies of choice.
Fixes our goalie situation. Gets rid of a bottom 6 forward. Helps Vegas get under cap after signing Pietrangelo.
My wife is a great cook, as my beltline will attest to. The finished product is wonderful. The mess she makes in the kitchen to produce that wonderful meal is scary. It’s a wonder that anything good comes out of that mess, but the mess doesn’t matter – the finished product matters.
It may look like Stan is making a mess right now but sometimes a mess is necessary to produce a really good finished product.
The phrase “new direction” isn’t just about being new, it’s about the direction the team will be going. Don’t focus on the current mess – be happy the team has finally turned in a new direction and look forward to the finished product.
JR Lehner injured may not be ready for start of season, Fleury not being moved now.
Bowman went from Crawford to talks with Murray, to didn’t want either, in house was really the thing, so doubt that changes. Not in on deals or fas that are significant upgrades, not happening this year.
Those wanting to do it with do it without the old core. Goalie is 5 to 6 years away that is hoped to be next elite goaltender, until then.question marks. Defense no definite top pairings right now, again drafting be 5 years if one needed to develop until starting in prime years. Top 6 forwards, Dach looks good, Kubalik and Cat maybes, with a bunch of questions, Reichel in 2 or 3 years best hope right now. Bottom 6 can be built pretty quick but no sure long term pieces as yet. Pipeline as Tab mentioned thin on high end forwards being developed, it will likely be quite awhile.
ER, hopefully your wife uses a recipe or is going off one from memory. Stan on the other hand doesn’t seem to have a whisper of intelligence nor direction. He’s like that friend you grew up with. You know the guy. Made $5 cutting lawns and ran to the drug store to dump it on a bunch of crap. That’s Stan. No man with plan, just a kid with some money in his pocket.
I appreciate your optimism, I do. I also appreciate your well thought out post. In this situation, call it what it is, crap.
One caveat to the above. If Stan is designing a race to the bottom to scare out the high paid veterans and potentially capture the number 1 pick, I stand corrected. Another season of sub 500 coming to the UC
At the risk of belaboring the cook metaphor, I think there were too many cooks in the kitchen until Rocky chose to keep Stan and fired McD. I don’t have insider knowledge so maybe I’m entirely wrong, but it is my opinion that McD was more concerned about keeping the dynasty marketing money maker going for as long as possible even at the expense of a more wise long term approach – taking a step back to take a couple steps forward. McD isn’t stupid so he surely knew it was only going to last as long as the winning continued. I believe he thought he could get more years out of the old scheme but Rocky finally decided a new direction was needed so McD had to go.
Were Stan’s hands tied to some extent until McD finally left? I believe they were. That not to say Stan would have done better without his boss meddling because we have no way to know that. It is to say that he isn’t meddling anymore and Stan is doing things that look like a mess right now but we don’t know how it will end up so I think he should be given a chance – a chance he probably wasn’t totally given before. Apparently Rocky thinks so too.
Thank the Lord that Covid helped accelerate my decision to give up my longtime, overpriced season tickets. But Stan Bowman’s deals continue to decimate the team. If he was going to get Crow walk, he should have signed Robin Lehner. Probably better that he traded Brandon Saad again, because seeing him made me miss Artemi Panarin that much more. Now he is overpaying for another bottom 6 forward. How many top 6 forwards do we have, 3? Maybe 4 on a good night? It’s gonna be another year watching the elite teams compete for Lord Stanley’s cup.
Give it a rest Chuckie.
Eb,
You may have a point about cooks in kitchen.
Maybe Supreme Being (uh-oh) was in a bind trying to appease the other cooks for the sake of dynasty marketing.
Counterpoint:
Has your wife messed up recipe after recipe after recipe, even though you were bothering her while she was cooking?
Even the simplest ones by substituting hi quality ingredients with generic equivalents (See: HOF coach vs. Wonder Boy)?
Methinks not.
But your devil’s advocate reasoning has some merit.
I think that when you decide to get younger for the future And to get more money cap you Can’t keep all your players (Crawford, Saad, Maatta, where good move to get some younger players to get signed ( Kubalik) Hopefully they will keep Murphy who is a really Nice player with good size and good defensively. The players that should be move ( Seabrook ( I love the player but it’s not The future , it’s the pass ) hope he will retire with Shaw …off course those players can play good games sometime but the new direction is younger players who has good potential for the future .
I will give the Hawks a chance to show us what they can do in the next 12 months .
I would not be surprise to see Toews or Kane get trade for a top prospect and a few first round pick . Iff Gretzky was trade ….everybody can be Trade .
We are very close to 2021 and it’s time to move on from the 2010-15 dynasty. It’s over and behind us ..future is ahead.
I don’t understand something. All of a sudden we get this extra cap space by not re-signing Crawford, Cagguila, Koekoek, and trading Saad. So, instead of focusing on acquiring high end talent, even on a 1 year deal, like Taylor Hall and Tyson Barrie, we are signing/acquiring bottom six type players. I feel like we have enough quality bottom 6 types on reasonable contract, but what we are lacking is high end talent. There is something really wrong with my hockey acumen if I don’t think that the Blackhawks were eliminated by the G-Knights because they were outplayed by the Knights bottom six and 3rd pairing guys. To, it looked liked their top-2 lines and top-2 pairs obliterated us. Stan, there really is something wrong with you!
What the trades for the Mark brothers tells me is that the hawks organization is incapable of filling bottom 6 forward positions from within at this time. That means either our drafts suck or the development program sucks or both. That has nothing to do with McD. It is squarely on SB.
I will be watching for what’s next.
– Move players that will not be part of the next playoff run Nylander, Strome, Kat
– Can we make trades that yield prospects or draft picks
– Get a goalie for the next couple of years that will make games interesting
– Will Toews embrace the role of mentor/captain for the younglings. If he does not then he has got to go.
Tough times and tough decisions. Is SB up to it?
Just thoughts:
Gus get signed for 3mil. Too much for me.
Van gets Schmidt for a third rounder. Yes expendable after acquiring Pietrangelo.
Janmark Toews Kubalik
Anthanasiou Dach Kane
DCat Strome Wal-Mart
Hagel Kurashev Suter
Keith Murphy
deHaan Boq
Zadanov Seabs
Fluery(didn’t know Lehner hurt.(how about Ottawa’s luck? Stuetzle hurt) )
Lankinen
Still like to get Martin too.
Highmore Carpenter Nylander Chalupa
Carlsson Kalynuk as subs
just saw auto correct. Wallmark lol
Vegas says Fleury is not getting traded now. So unless the Hawks pick up one of the other experienced goalies floating around, like Craig Anderson, Miller, Howard, Schneider, etc, they really are going with their young unproven guys. Probably in an attempt to get in the lotto and win the first overall pick for the 6’6″ defenseman that can skate and do it all. Probably their best shot at getting a number one defenseman.
Owen Power is his name
Wal-mart would be good on this team. Discount, cheap player.
So does anyone know if the Mark Lazarus article about the Hawks’ veterans is substantitive?
From last thread.
SALUKISAL
October 12, 2020 at 6:06 pm
What the F#*+! Lucas Wallmark. What for???? Another no scoring wing? I guess that bonehead Bowman is shucking off Stroke and Shaw and Suter. And Kurashev. And Hagel. And Barratt. Some youth movement.
MORRISON
October 12, 2020 at 6:44 pm
Nothing more to it or less. Good ufa/just like Kubalik caphit.
PHIL
October 12, 2020 at 10:57 am
I think Janmark is a quality depth add. He was noticeable vs Vegas however not as much against TB. Could well be that he was a little banged up. Hawks still need more quality within the forwards group. Holes to fill in the depth chart. A good player for the money invested.
Let’s Go Hawks!
MORRISON
October 12, 2020 at 8:56 pm
the real rebuild comes at one of two times. the contracts of 2, 7, 19, & 88 run out or they wave their nmcs and are traded. holding on to those guys until the bitter end, continuing the losing ways
Dude, these core players caphits are not in the way at all. 2 and 7 wont be here when were deep again in 2/3 yrs and if they are there close to 40. 19 88 will be and should have closer to the 6.3 then the 10.5 when 35-40. Its a cycle and its going to go full circle for those guys to.
So when it matters caphits will not get in the way of the young wave/core not at all. Its these meaningless yrs inbetween that people freak out about that mean nothing other letting everyone play that needs to these couple yrs.
trades/ltir will take care of the unkonown.
Point is no ones blocking anyone they will get moved or other for who we want to play. Others who are close will get in there and get there coffee/who arnt ready for 40 or 80 yet.
Nothing is different in these things just because were playing young players more.
MORRISON
October 12, 2020 at 9:02 pm
If Colliton had any balls, he’d insist on minor-leaguing this guy and give Kurashev or Hagel some games to show what they can bring.
Thought its better to not rush devlopment. People complain bitch whine about he we have no farm and do not have any coming yet we push shove give before these guys would be ready normally. How about letting these guys do the normal and then they can take over when really ready instead of being put in spots because were not deep and need it.
These guys were getting/have are here not to block to be role players and ‘when’ the younger wavers are ready get them in one at a time. As much as I like two at a time.
SALUKISAL
October 12, 2020 at 9:29 pm
I guess I’m just complaining, bitching, and whining about everything Stan Bowman does because all I’ve seen him do the last four years is screw this team up more and more. I trust in nothing this sorry excuse for a GM does. Sorry, but I get tired of seeing Chicago GMs continue to marvel at their own genius.
MORRISON
October 13, 2020 at 9:26 am
This.
WRAPAROUND
October 12, 2020 at 3:10 pm
Last I looked offense is not the Hawks problem defense is
Janmark is a big strong and fast from an exceptionally good defensive team and also can take Saad’s PK minutes – how many times did we weak Hawk forwards fail to get the puck out of the D zone or win a board battle or fail to pressure opposing D men and retrieve the puck in the O zone – Janmark helps in all these cases – he’s not here to rack up big point totals
In case you’ve all forgotten CHI was just about the worst defensive team in the league last year – Janmark will help – I like this signing
MORRISON
October 13, 2020 at 9:29 am
Wrap, I like that lines. For what we know of these players/and donot of new ones it does look more defensively responsible and just as good/better offensively with the upside of every younger player. Defense is eventually coming to the group on D.
Kub-Toews-Shaw
Dcat – Dach – Kane
Suter-Strome-Janmark
Highmore – Kampf – Carpenter
MORRISON
October 13, 2020 at 9:35 am
Exatly what I was thinking that we couldnt just meet in middle of 3.5-4.0 who cares if he wanted 2 yrs I just donot see why we ‘had’ to. To me theres no excuse for this one.
Not going to get mad just I do not get this one. The other moves make sense for the identity were doing now/with starting with the 77 pick we have been adding players that are that style big strong fast.
MORRISON
October 13, 2020 at 9:40 am
Yea if were not keeoing any of these guys were getting trade/ufa for more then deadline and getting picks/propspects then then thats smart so we have players that are good at D and have size and will hit back ‘EVERY’ time someone try stuff to our young wavers/others to. Its about the young wave right? getting those guys ready and not hurt along the way until they emerge.
HONEST GUY
October 12, 2020 at 5:57 pm
Maybe they feel someone who went to the final last year will have trade value at the deadline. Gives management time to sort out which of the prospects are making the jump to the nhl.
MORRISON
October 13, 2020 at 11:51 am
Zadorov Janmark Wallmark – 6.400 m
Maatta Saad Smith – 12.583 m
Pretty similiar players overall and we have 6.183 m more in these moves.
MORRISON
October 13, 2020 at 11:54 am
There is nothing wrong with 22 64 any others at 1.000 m area. Only if there are so many that they cant be clear waivers when we want to keep them.
Everything lies on getting Defense good again overall so along the way rebuild with moar top 5 skill draft players.
This guy like Hands could play 2nd center with 19 77 hes not.
MS
October 12, 2020 at 6:17 pm
Wrap – I just don’t see Strome as a 3c. He is a mediocre skater, weak at the dot and doesn’t have great defensive awareness. He is solidly behind Toews and Dach so I think he needs to be moved to a team that needs offense. Wallmark had 25 points in 67 games last year while Strome had 38 points in 58 games. It’s safe to say Strome was playing with much more talented wingers. Wallmark is much better at the dot and a much better defensive center. I would love to see us get value for Strome either in players or picks and I am ok with Wallmark at 3c if that’s where he ended up.
Offered Crawford a contract, not what he wanted, not coming back. Talked to Murray, must’ve been serious or wouldn’t have gone that far, ask to much, end that. Decided no goalies available were in their price range or gave a significant enough upgrade to warrant signing. Decision to go with in house goalies and upgrade defense in front of him. Liked Zadorov apparently and offered last year of Saad salary -1m to get him, who wasn’t going to be resigned anyways i guess. Then signed 2 defensive forwards, figure their better defensively now than signing whatever goalies available fit their budget. Worst case scenario, some young players get an opportunity, maybe not all the ones we want too and they get a high draft choice. Is that a plan because we are through the draft and free agent frenzy and no more draft picks for next year or prospects to get excited about, just doesn’t have the look of a serious rebuild in motion to me.
Yea its about the young wavers and getting them ready when they are ready. These moves and who we keep are fine were going to have to have 12/13 of the young wave be players who are not 20-25 so theres nothing wrong with having some/a lot of those roles filled as we go along.
Top 5 skill draft players. Load young wave.
HONEST GUY
October 12, 2020 at 6:28 pm
I’ll add this signing is now the third player (of three) who has a very tradable contract come trade deadline or even before and one of two who also could be traded next draft as RFA after the season. Not too bad while the prospects are sorted out as to if they can play in the nhl this year or next or ever.
Big focus for me is Seattle draft, team losing money, lots of rookies who can be called up and down from the minors without having to hit waivers.
For rebuild there sure seems to be quite a few options…looks like more of a retooling to me. Oh regarding Saad. He’s welcome to sign here next year. He is a free agent after all.
This is Walls strategy. The Nemo effect.
IAN
October 13, 2020 at 12:39 pm
Then signed 2 defensive forwards, figure their better defensively now than signing whatever goalies available fit their budget.
There are many comments about “letting the young kids play.” I would love to see these young guys become solid NHL players but don’t they have to win a job first? Most of them still have a pretty thin resume. Second, please point me to a situation where a team is playing 4 or more players in regular roles who basically have 1 year or less AHL experience. It just doesn’t happen, even for rebuilding teams. So for those saying that the young guys will be blocked I would be really surprised if more than 2 of them make the team out of camp. Most will need to continue to develop in the AHL this year.
This.
EBONYRAPTOR
October 12, 2020 at 10:54 pm
At the risk of belaboring the cook metaphor, I think there were too many cooks in the kitchen until Rocky chose to keep Stan and fired McD. I don’t have insider knowledge so maybe I’m entirely wrong, but it is my opinion that McD was more concerned about keeping the dynasty marketing money maker going for as long as possible even at the expense of a more wise long term approach – taking a step back to take a couple steps forward. McD isn’t stupid so he surely knew it was only going to last as long as the winning continued. I believe he thought he could get more years out of the old scheme but Rocky finally decided a new direction was needed so McD had to go.
Were Stan’s hands tied to some extent until McD finally left? I believe they were. That not to say Stan would have done better without his boss meddling because we have no way to know that. It is to say that he isn’t meddling anymore and Stan is doing things that look like a mess right now but we don’t know how it will end up so I think he should be given a chance – a chance he probably wasn’t totally given before. Apparently Rocky thinks so too.
Players don’t seem to have to win a job. The roster for the most part is decided already. If you are not in the click you will probably be in the minors.
I will give you an example off the top of my head. Alex Fortin… Did not natter how he preformed in his first camp he was not going to start the season in Chicago.
Last season they saved a position for Kirby Dach… didn’t really have to earn it.
Remember Dach got injured before the season started.
Fortin and Dach are just couple examples of different sides of the coin.
Blackhawk management by signing vets have been blocking young players for a few years now.
Yea certain guys like this should stay/for now or longer. Its the players like that and 44/others even though they are good are not young enough to be part of the deep roster in 3-5 yrs. So like that smart person said in middle of summer/or last winter about anyone over 26ish other then 19 88 needs to go for young wave roster.
HAWKS2010
October 13, 2020 at 6:59 am
I think that when you decide to get younger for the future And to get more money cap you Can’t keep all your players (Crawford, Saad, Maatta, where good move to get some younger players to get signed ( Kubalik) Hopefully they will keep Murphy who is a really Nice player with good size and good defensively.
Theres so many dang posts/last thread this thread I have to cut and paste to comment on comments from 75 up the list as I read along. Try not to scroll past my posts they are agreeing with peoples posts on things.
This is what I was asking Ian about the other day. Are there any top pair D man in 21 draft he said there are 3 in first 5 picks. Timing.
HEREISMIKE1
October 13, 2020 at 9:54 am
Probably in an attempt to get in the lotto and win the first overall pick for the 6’6? defenseman that can skate and do it all. Probably their best shot at getting a number one defenseman.
Here Mike, so Dach and Power is better then that Byram snotty.
Owen Power is his name
Dehaan Boqvist
Zadorov Murphy
Keith Seabrook
Keith get minutes on special teams plus likely more in 3rd period, less in 1st 2 periods 5 on 5 to start reducing his load, providing Boqvist steps up. Dehaan gets injured Keith mins go up, Seabrook out a youngster gets to play with him.
If Duncan Keith gets special teams and his minutes go up for any reason the hawks will be picking top 5 in the draft next year
Tafolli 4.5 m seems like a good deal instead of Saad 6.0 m but hes 32 in 4 yrs when were deep again is that too old.
Remember when Simmonds was good got 1.5 m
Theres three ways to do things. The right way, the wrong way, and the MAX POWER way.
-isnt that the wrong way?
Yes but faster!
Question: what are the restrictions on call ups and send downs to the minors. Isnt there a limit? What’s the rules behind calling up or sending down players. Take a look at the Blackhawks roster on that salary cap website. They have a ton of players who are waivers exempt.
Honestly short of being insulting I would offer Strome a two way contract at this point and tell him to expect to start in the minors on the first line playing big minutes while the roster is sorted out.
Quenville and Pirri I believe have to clear waivers and at this point looking at the roster overall id hate to see either go. Personally I like what I’ve seen from Quenville so far. Am I right about this from a roster management stand point? So anyone have the call up count?
Strome cannot be sent to minors without first clearing waivers – he has passed his ELC waiver exempt period because he’s he longer on an ELC
Cao Friendly is a great resource for all this kind of stuff
sorry *Cap Friendly*
Ian – It’s hard to see Mitchell not being in opening line up (barring injury)
If a D isn’t moved I suspect Seabs will be the 7th D
Stape,You are right on the money about the lack of an open competition for roster spots during training camps.Every year I say the same thing about hoping that there is a legitimate competition for roster spots.I fear that no matter how good Kalykuk,Mitchell,Carllson,Beaudin,Hagel,or Kurashev look that they will not be given an opportunity to beat out Boqvist,Nylander,Strome,Kamph,Carpenter,or any of the other usual suspects.Of course with the acquisitions of Janmark,Walmark,Suter,and Pirri,I think Kamph,Carpenter,Highmore,and maybe Nylander are in for a battle to make the team.
Honest a two way contract only means you get less money in minors, no affect on ability to not go through waivers. He is not waiveable unless under contract either, somebody likely claim him, especially for his qo of $875,000, if that is what he signs for. If Strome holds out and doesn’t sign, normally December 1st is the date but be pushed back this year, he is no longer eligible to play in Nhl this season and Blackhawks retain his rfa rights again next summer or whenever offseason begins.
Saw where Leafs signed Aaron Dell $800,000 and have Jack Campbell 1.6m as backup too. They want to move Kerfoot, likely through in campbell to take him. Wonder if Strome and maybe Subban who they could slip through waivers likely interest them and give them room to sign Mikheyev and Dermott. Make a decent tandem Campbell with Delia or Lankinen.
Forget that thought Kerfoot was in last year but got 3 years left.
Finally Got rid of $6.4M Saad who scores 16/year , & was Huge Turn Over machine…. Now Seabrook-Keith-shaw-carpenter-Smith need new homes too…
Without Goalie—- game Over…
Oh, Toews whining again? Shop him too.
In 3 yrs from now thats what will happen/maybe not for 2.
19 isint going anywhere he is the dynasty captain and the face of the NHL since the other generationals havnt won anything yet let alone 3/4 in 6 yrs. Bookend is not dynasty its what NJ did. COL during DET dynasty and BOS/LA are more worthy as 2nd bests in CHI dynasty.
19 get last laugh when 19/88 are 35-40 were deep again.
Going head to head with the dynasty team and winning a couple times during the same yrs is far more 2nd best.
For the goalie thing yea were screwed for playing for 5-8 seed without an established NHL goalie. Which is fine/per say since were doing the ‘one goal’ of acquiring top 5 skill players and that is a way to do it. Its trade for/ufa/draft to get top pair.
I donot think it matter what way we do it just that its vital to draft top 5 skill quality players and get lucky on some of those being like 77/generational. We get another top 5 and pick the ‘right’ player like we did with 77 were looking beauty for the new core/young wave.
Well said Billy Reay!
you guys need to stop with the Keith/Seabrook koolaid …… They are OLD & the last 5 years as the teams ability to SCORE GOALS diminished, they (Especially Keith) got EXPOSED as the Turnover machines they truly are which costs Hawks
winnable games if it were not – “ for sucky rookies & trash goaltending”… LMFAO..
Keith’s reply,”NOT MY FAULT-Coach rots”.