Ryan Hartman To Miss 4-5 Months
During his comments in the wake of being eliminated from the Stanley Cup Playoffs, Nashville Predators GM David Piole outlined the list of injuries that impacted the roster against Winnipeg.
Among those injuries was a fairly significant issue for a former Blackhawks forward. Ryan Hartman, a trade deadline acquisition from Chicago, suffered a torn labrum and will require shoulder surgery. The recovery time for that is approximately 4-5 months; Nashville expects him to be back for the beginning of the 2018-19 season, but his summer training will obviously be limited because of the injury.
The Blackhawks acquired Nashville’s first round pick (#27 overall), a fourth round pick and forward Victor Ejdsell from the Preds for Hartman and a fifth round pick on Feb. 26. Hartman, who turns 24 in September, was the Blackhawks’ first round pick (#30 overall) in the 2013 NHL Draft.
Ejdsell has five goals in the Calder Cup playoffs.
I partially tore the labrum in my left shoulder 2 years ago. I could barely lift that arm past my shoulder for about 4 months. Well placed cortisone shots helped inflammation along with time and some proper weight training. I could have had the surgery, but opted out thankfully. Pro athletes don’t have that choice. That is a rough surgery and the recovery long and painful. Hope Hartman comes back healthy. I can’t imagine how he played with that injury unless he had the shoulder numbed up via injection. Funny thing, Hartman with Preds made some really good yet stupid plays, just like he did with the Hawks. Let’s hope the Preds draft pick we got for Hartman pans out.
Lets Go Hawks!
Injury aside, what was a better deal for the team giving up a 1st Round pick — Nashville for Hartman or Winnipeg for Stastny?
Sorry to hear hoping has a full recovery and back in the fall. Good point Iceman.
Statsny scored two goals on the road in Game 7 to eliminate the President’s trophy winning Predators.
I know he’s just a rental but there’s no question he has been the best deadline pickup across the league and it isn’t really close if you weigh play in the playoffs above everything else. Evander Kane helped SJ out quite a bit but not much after the regular season and first round. Those were probably the two best, and maybe Kempny for Washington next.
Before we get too excited about moving up to the 27th pick, keep in perspective the Hawks will still have to get really lucky to get a good player there. No promise someone picked there even makes the NHL at all. Here is a brief history of 27th overall picks since 2000….by my count one impact player and a few decent spare parts in 17 years.
2013 Marko Dano C Bratislava (SVK) Columbus Blue Jackets
2012 Henrik Samuelsson C/RW Edmonton (WHL) Phoenix Coyotes
2011 Vladislav Namestnikov RW London (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2010 Mark Visentin G Niagara (OHL) Phoenix Coyotes
2009 Philippe Paradis C Shawinigan (QMJHL) Carolina Hurricanes
2008 John Carlson D Indiana (USHL) Washington Capitals
2007 Brendan Smith D St. Michael’s (OPJHL) Detroit Red Wings
2006 Ivan Vishnevsky D Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL) Dallas Stars
2005 Joe Finley D Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL) Washington Capitals
2004 Jeff Schultz D Calgary Hitmen (WHL) Washington Capitals
2003 Jeff Tambellini LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Los Angeles Kings
2002 Mike Morris RW St. Sebastian’s [Mass. H.S.] San Jose Sharks
2001 Jeff Woywitka D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) Philadelphia Flyers
2000 Martin Samuelsson RW Modo Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Boston Bruins
38 was more disciplined then 65 in his first yr after that not as much.
We need to get a couple guys like 65 again. Like Noonan said.
Mo Luke Johnson and Matthew Highmore are 2 guys in Rockford who can bring that type of game with some skill to go with it.
Hopefully a full recovery is in order. Still like him as a player.
Changing topic for a minute, anyone hearing about Toews to Montreal for ??
I know there’s been a lot of Toews bashing but if he goes, the Hawks are done to how many quality centers? Answer-somewhere between one to none—The unloading 10.5 is great, but you will get salary back for sure.
(The ouch part of J.T. is five more years at 10.5)
Rumor is Toews for Alex Galchenyuk and the 8th pick. Alex Galchenyuk makes 4.9 million for the next 3 seasons. That’s a huge cap relief if the Hawks go that route. You would have to assume that if they trade Toews they are going to be players for JT 91 or Erik Karlson. I think Toews best hockey is long behind him so I wouldn’t be against it.
Key word is rumor. Believe it when i see it.
A Toews to Montreal trade has to of course be centered around the # 1 pick from MTL in this year’s draft. Then there would have to be other stuff. Galchenyuk is young, but he’s lousy at the dot. Plus his points are really no better than Toews. I don’t think his salary savings over Toews make up for what the team loses in the Toews image for the team and leadership …. regardless of whether some on this board like him or not.
Tavares is above 50% at the dot and certainly can score, a lot, but he’s going to demand such big money that paying him his $10 million plus Galchenyuk’s $5 million, and not being to unload Seabrook’s salary, and not being able then to go after d-men to bolster the aching blue line ……. just seems hard to imagine.
The Blackhawks are not in full explosion mode to start from ground zero. If that were the case they might as well get rid of Kane because he has the most value of anyone in a truly nuclear option. But then again, the Blackhawks aren’t there yet.
But, Stan has to do something ……
You could conceivably make an argument that Toews is the 5th best center in the Central division going into next season just saying.
Nathan MacKinnon
Mark Scheifele
Tyler Seguin
Ryan Johansen
Toews?
Wow this being out of the playoffs is really making folks silly ,.,.,,Toews is not going anywhere ,and you bong sucking Tavares fans can well ,.,.,wait for your hit on the pipe . Our little Stanley knows how to make our team better ,.,.,he will not put up with being beaten 4 straight in the playoffs .,.,,he will not stand for us shitting the bed and failing to make the playoffs ./.,., Stan is driving the bus and he and Q got it all under control . We are in a rebuild ,.,.,what we do not need is Taveras or Galchenicckey Russian p yuk , coming on over to fix our sinking boat .Draft well ,coach well ,work hard . Can you do that Stan ?
If Stan trades his captain and the face of the Franchise, he should give up his GM position. Toews is not problem and trading to a team that has no assets is a joke. Swallow your pride Stan and start drafting quality players…MARK KELLEY wake up!!!SIZE,SKILL and Hockey IQ!!!
I as a fan have endured Savard being traded, then JR and now TOEWS? I think many fans will and should boycott the team next year if this trade happens. Galchenyuk is a horrible and an average winger.
Sign a few Dmen like Johnson and DeHann, trade Anisimov and Murphy.
TAMPA too small.
HAWKTALK agree neither move is likeky happening but if AA is going to be moved, moving Saad and pursuing Taveres could be a significant upgrade with Toews on his wing. Kane there to or on a line with Schmaltz to balance things. Debrincat, Sikura, Hino and Ejdsell who adjusting nicely in Rockford may be able to find enough room with 8 and 88 to make his game work on a line there, for top 9 wibgers. If Luke Johnson can be a bottom 6 center with Kampf and Hayden, Highmore wing combo on a shutdown line plus a Jurco as a depth winger who can fill in anywhere on a game basis
The defence without any outside moves , you have Keith and Seabrook as one pair; Murphy could pair with Jokiharju and if that fails Gus moves in there then you have possibly hoping Rutta and Forsling find the chemistry they had early this season. Hillman likely makes a strong push too. I don’t believe its status quo there though, some sort of outside help is acquired.
Delia playing every playoff game so far and looking good seems to be a better option than anything we saw behind Crawford this year.
The truth is that none of us knows for sure what Stan will do. But I personally “think”, for what it’s worth (which ain’t much) that Toews isn’t going anywhere. And that is already set by the fact that Q is back for next season. Can’t imagine a realistic scenario where Q comes back and Toews is gone. Would make more sense to me if Q was gone and the franchise was going for a new look with a new coach and a new system. I wouldn’t like it, but I could see it happening more so if a whole new approach to the look and style of the organization were coming down.
Fair and rational perspective Big Indian-I agree, 19 going makes little sense-except if you are looking at 3 to 5 years from now as a target.
This may not make sense to many but I do, however, believe that the old core and Q have had too much past success and new blood will eventually be needed to recreate the passion for a Cup run. Still not convinced it’s Q who leads.
Makita Tampa too small?-their ‘D’
Coburn 6 5-223
Dotchin 6 3-210
Girardi 6 1-212
Hedman 6 6-223
McDonagh 6 1-215
Sergachev 6 3-215
Sustr 6 7-220
The Hawks are hemorrhaging at the center position. I don’t care how much Toews makes, he does a lot of things very well and is barely 30 years old. He’s not going anywhere. It’s easy to criticize him based upon his salary. Other than Debrincat, Schmaltz & Hinostroza (and Kane to a lesser degree), the entire Hawks’ team played well below their career numbers/abilities last season, not just Toews.
What the Hawks need is to add solid, reliable centers, long and short term. This is why drafting Joe Veleno makes all the sense in the world. They could likely trade down to do that as well. And secure a capable goalie.
All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is starting to get old. The Hawks have a playoff calibre team as it stands. No one is talking about the real reason they missed the playoffs – their number one goalie was out most of the year and the backups were terrible. Period. The only player that they should get from Montreal is Price if Crawford is done.
If anyone one interested Noah Dobson will be playing in the Memorial Cup starting tomorrow. He could be a possibility for 1st pick. His teams the Titan play round robin games on Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday on SN & NHL networks.
Starting Friday not tomorrow, sorry.
Noonan, up front? Every team has one smallish forward with speed and skill on their cup teams, not 4or 5.
By the way, Ian, sorry to burst your but Jokiharju shoots right so he cannot play on the left…plus not a very great skater and under 6′ tall. Forsling and Rutta??? Please, you cannotr be serious. Murphy? Are you watching the semi-finals and the size, speed and skill of the blueliners on these teams? Apart from Keith and Seabrook, no one on our blueline makes any of those teams. Let’s be serious, Hillman? Than can’t even make Rockford ahead of Franson and Clendening. Wow, I am a lifelong Hawk fan but we need to realize we have absolutely nothing on the blueline compared to the teams left in the playoffs…or in the top 20 teams in the league if not top 25. This goes back to Kelley and Bowman. We need to build with the draft and hopefully sign some real Dmen in the meantime like Johnson or DeHann.
Hawks had 2 superstars under 6′ tall, Keith and Kane during those cup runs!
Coach Q and Bowman are dysfunctional together which is why the team is being run down, Trading Toews would be a huge mistake for the fan base. Firing Coach Q, Bowman and Kelley, would be a fresh start. The Bruins did not trade Bergeron, they fired Julien and Chiarelli. Great move right?
By the way, tough game for the Cat and Osterle (?) against Finland, not Latvia this morning.
Mikita didn’t burst anything Murphy plays both sides. Hillnan was never in Rockford so trashing him for not making lineup is kinda uninformed.
Some big lads on TB blueline. For comparison, here’s our left side at the back:
Keith 6/1, 192
Oesterle 6/0, 182
Gus 6/0, 176
Forsling 6/0, 186
And, aside from DK, not much snarl either.
Where’s the beef?
Ian- Luke Johnson,,, very good Hockey IQ… but slow skater
The downside of the Boston and LA comparisons is that neither of those teams seems to be a real Cup contender, and Boston being the closest, we have no young talent on our team that can compare with David Pasternak. He is head and shoulders above any offensive player we have other than Kane.
And when you consider they still have Bergeron (>>Toews), Marchand (equal to Kane now that Panarin is gone or at least close), Chara (equal to Keith, better than Seabs), and Rask (I give Crow the edge there), and yet still have better young talent than us (we have no young defensman in McAvoy’s league either)….we have a serious gap between us and Boston and yet they are not in the same tier as Tampa, Winnipeg, Nashville, Washington, Vegas, etc.
So it is going to be a long ride. We can get back to respectability with a healthy goalie and some well executed changes to the roster. But the days of semi-annual Cup parades are well over.
Pucklogic-do you really believe with a healthy Crow (and yes he is a big difference) they would do anything but Maybe make the playoffs and get tossed again in the first round?
They had him playing and had the most points in the West last year. And then…sweep!
The flaws are a little deeper, and people are cautious.
And Jordyhawk I like that word-snarl. It’s missing-but I don’t care if it’s 175 lbs or 225.
I’m dating myself but Magnuson was 180 lbs. Chelios 190….etc.
Hillman can’t crack the lineup in Rockford? Where’s our savior Dylan “Hype” Sikura?
How many goals or points does the great John Hayden have in these playoffs? And where is Graham Knott and Matt Iacobelli or Fortin? They cannot beat out undrafted smurfs like Pelletier or Kero or the other Sikura? 6th round tiny pick Anthony Louis?
Congrats to the great Patrick Kane who soon ask to be traded to his hometown of Buffalo if he has to play a full season with less talent as he expressed timidly on the Dreger Cafe.
Makita the Bkackhawks were out of roster moves between minors and NHL. They wanted Sikura and Hillman in Chicago so they assigned them directly to the Blackhawks not Rockford so they weren’t eligible for playoffs. Unlike Ejdsell who is playing well in Rockford, yes some are, he was assigned to AHl first and an emergency recall. As i mentioned earlier Hillman was never in Rockford.
@Noonan: you are right, we have very little snarl. A small team that neither pays nor extracts anything of a price (i.e. plays small) is a pushover (always has been).
Tampa has some size but they are playing like they’re small – no push back vs. WSH.
I’m quite surprised – maybe they’ll find themselves on the road – they’ll have to to have any chance now.
It’s highly unlikely Toews is going anywhere although maybe we shouldn’t underestimate the ability of Bergevin to make a gift of a trade to the Hawks
Hawktalk/Pucklogic- that’s the thing we were the 3 seed if Crow plays the whole season. With as many guys playing worse then they really are and how bad we played/didn’t play at times. Not mentioning boucnes sch.
That wont happen again.
We still need to get to having a full, deep, quality deep roster to be there as a top 5 teams again like NAS, TB and then WIN. Those are the 3 best teams roster wise.
The ideas/moves everybody has been talking about is what we need to do to get there roster wise. We started it last draft, couldn’t do anytihgn last summer. This yr we did it at deadline, will at draft and can add big in summer. Then do it again next draft (without a high top pick) and add big in summer. By then the younger guys will be better and starting their prime yrs and that is when were that deep again.
I donot want 3 seed, we need deepness. Quality deepness.
Mike I agree that Boston and LA are not contenders. You are giving too much credit to Boston. They are not better than the Hawks. They have ONE good line and can’t score 5 on 5 and live on the PP. they had a similiar year to Columbus last year when they went on that extended win streak (The Leafs should have beat them). Bergeron had a great year because he plays with Marchand and Pastrnak. Toews doesn’t have that luxury unless you consider Kane and Dcat on his line and then we can compare. Boston also plays in the weak ass Atlantic put them in the central and see the result.
Yea that’s the weakest division in hockey. Even though TB a top 3 team and TOR is good. It padded their record. They played good. They played good against TB in reg season like we did WIN. I felt TOR coasted after game 40 like MIN and CHI did last yr.
BOS got 4 good young prospects/players and then they were good again but not a top 5 or maybe 10 team.
The only thing BOS is better team then we are is faceoffs. I donot have a problem with BOS, have several friends that like them.
I expect TOR, EDM, CHI and others to play good next yr because they had an off yr.
Like I mentioned before about someone saying first round we wouldn’t win. Every team in hockey, other then TB would prob get beat in fisrt round in our division.
WAS won first 2 road games in CLB and CLB won first 2 road games in WAS.
Far too many comments that are off topic.
Oh yeah lets keep talking about that interesting Hartman labrum for weeks- “Arthroscopy is considered the best method to diagnose a SLAP tear”. Hope that helps.
Discussions wander Dave. The news is slow for the Hawks this time of the year.
Its cool man. This is a everything goes Blackhawks blog. There isint one better/smart people (2nd city has smart people to), just keep the Flatlanders away. (red wingers)
Hoss selling Condo.
Debrincat best a ping pong.
Mock draft has us getting that Defenseman you guys talked about that was good.