Seabrook, de Haan Done For The Year
On Thursday the Blackhawks provided some significant medical updates.
Defensemen Calvin de Haan and Brent Seabrook are done of the year and Brandon Saad will miss the next three weeks. Seabrook and de Haan have been placed on LTIR.
Seabrook will have shoulder surgery now and then have surgery on both hips in 2020. It’s easy to think that the series of medical issues the veteran is dealing with could end his career.
de Haan had surgery on the same right shoulder earlier this year.
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Imagine the pain Seabrook has been playing through for who knows how long, tough as nails. Hope the best for him in future, 1000+ Nhl regular season games and 100+ Nhl games and 100s of other games, his health for the future is 1st now.
Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I find it very coincidental that the news leak of Seabs injuries happened on the same night that the Hawks played one of their worst games ever. Could this be another way of Bowman trying to get rid of him and still save face? The core was very unhappy with the way he was being treated and that game might of been a response to that. I find it hard to believe that he was playing regularly and now he needs both hips and a shoulder to be worked on????
I know I sound like Oliver Stone here but it just doesn’t smell right to me….
Let me get this straight here. People are actually rallying behind Seabrook now after all the flak directed( rightfully so) at him? That management is somehow mis treating him?? That he’s some sort of modern day Willis Reed for playing hurt???
The flak was just. He was awful in every facet of the game. It’s not his fault he signed a contract that was offered him. It’s his doing that he would not remove his NMC , don’t know if it was asked or not, but without it you can’t even hide his contract in the minors
Management is in no way mistreating him. He will get paid every penny of this contract, unless he plans on retiring. This line of thought is bizarre
He’s not a warrior or tough as nail guy if his play is knowingly hurting the team. If he does not or did not recognize that he is steps slow, that’s on him for waiting this long to go through the proper procedures to potentially play again, which I doubt he ever will for the hawks again. Maybe, but not likely.
Spot on Ian. That is an insane amount of trauma. So as it turns out his even suiting up has been pretty heroic which makes all the ridicule directed at him here seem terribly weak. He has always been a warrior — nothing less.
I liked the Maatta trade. Then came De Haan but I wondered why we added a second LH SHD and one with a significant injury history. I wasn’t keen on bringing back Shaw. I think it’s fair to call into question Stan’s decision making with these guys.
A cynic might suggest that in the haste to get back in the playoffs management gambled on their being healthy. That gamble has failed. Just another brick in the wall though because there is already more than enough reason to sack the lot of them.
Another indication of how poorly this organization is being run.I doubt that Seabrooks physical condition was a secret to anyone.This all should have been handled before the season started.Doubt the fans will ever no the truth here.Really would not count on Dehaan coming back either.5 Shoulder Surgeries now.This thing is a mess.
Im no longer in the conspiracy group. It sure sounded that way tho
But the way I see it now.
-Seabs was a healthy scratch
-Seabs became honest with himself and didnt want these healthy scratches to continue.
-So he approaches team and hence sudden medical evaluations.
Just wish they didnt get all so secretive. Wasnt helping.
Loags -I agree – I think the delay in getting proper medical attention here was most likely Seabrook’s doing
He is a warrior and probably too proud to admit to needing surgery – thought he could play through it – maybe even refused surgery earlier but now has reconsidered
De Haan’s fifth shoulder surgery is tough – gotta wonder as Tim said he’ll be able to come back to the level he was at or perhaps even come back at all
With the core talent ( Kane, Teows, DeBrincat ) that the Blackhawks have Stan Bowman should have been able to rebuild this aging roster on the fly much like the GMs in Boston and Pittsburg have been able to do. The fact that Stan Bowman has not been able to retool this team over the last 3 years and make it a bonafide playoff contender leads me to believe that he doesn’t know how and
should therefore be fired well before this season ends.
Good luck to both players. Hopefully both recover to full health regardless of them suiting up again
That stinks about Seabs. Wish both the best in recovery. I do have a question and please forgive my ignorance on Bonus overages. With $10.5 M out for the season, can the bonus overages be applied to this year’s salary cap or does it automatically roll over to the following year. I have never understood this piece of the salary cap.
Check out this Quinton Byfield prospect guys.Reading the analysis he is a grown up Dach already at 6 4 214 pounds.Projects as Power Forward initially then Center.Kid is impressive.The Redwings are hot on his trail.Hawks would need Lottery help to get him.
Ian,what are the Cap ramifications of Seabrook being out for at least 18 months?
Or ,a case scenario that both Seabrook and Dehaan dont come back.
Seabs……… Wraparound probably right in that he was too proud to have surgery. Tough, old school guys have that mentality. So everyone was beating him up about being a step(or two) slow and not being able to cover territory. Well, the guy couldn’t walk let alone skate.
My opinion??? (I know, shut up REG!)….. Maybe Seabs gets his body right, rests and rehabs over the summer and comes back next year with a much quicker step and a much better mental state. I hope so.
Very nice to see the support from everyone with their responses. Seabs has to be as tough as they come!!
Stan Bowman now has “currency” with 2 months to go before the trading deadline.
The “currency” is precious cap space. So he could theoretically take a contract like that of Zack Bagosian from Buffalo, along with another asset such as a prospect or high draft pick. Begosian’s contract expires at the end of the season.
Toronto gave a 1st round pick to Carolina to take Patrick Marleau’s contract.
Stan could be a major player at the deadline and could help the rebuild significantly with a couple of shrewd moves.
Agree with you Reg. Tim , Byfield is the real deal . Big boy that can fly with good hands.
no matter what these injuries allow the hawks to do going forward i do not trust bowman as far as i could throw a gorilla to manage the roster and the cap going forward. he is a loser and mc donough is a seat salesman and office manager and knows nothing about evaluating a hockey gm, coach, or players.
and the biggest problem in all of this is rocky if he can’t look in the mirror and realize that mc donough knows nothing about hockey and should not be involved in replacing bowman. mc donough can remain president and sales, marketing, and office management can remain under his control. but rocky must hire a vp of player personnel who does not report to mc donough and has the authority to hire a gm and coach. rocky also must hire a “capologist” who has the power to say “no” to insane “thank you for what you have done in the past for us” contracts such as seabrook’s contract. rocky must also put it out there to the public that “the era” is over and the team is rebuilding with an eye to the future and no longer pursuing a band aid approach the roster to try to slide into the playoffs. no more lying to the fans or nonsense from that idiot mc donough that the hawks are “remodeling,” not rebuilding.
I think the play of the core this evening will say a lot about their state of mind with respect to Seab’s treatment. If they they he is being jerked around, it will show.
Agree with Simon, I do not trust Stan to manage the cap relief or the rebuild. SB needs to be placed on waivers.
Best wishes to Seabrook.
Sorry “Sevens Up”, I will say he was a warrior. I’ll say that because his teammates always have. I’ve acknowledged Seabrook’s poor play on occasion, but have been angered when folks have gone over the top with personal criticism of him.
As I mentioned a while back, it is important for this organization to handle these situations, regardless of who the player is, with great respect. Let’s hope this all goes forward in the best ways possible for all parties concerned.
Conspiracy theories or no conspiracy theories, Brent Seabrook is undeniably one of the greatest Blackhawks of all time.
Do you have special access to a practice tonight. B/c after I read your comment and I went checked to make sure I wasn’t wrong was tomorrow night and not tonight. :)
The hawks now have around 12-13m in cap space to use for the rest of this season. What Stan does with it is anyones guess. If they were contenders he could use it to get a rental on an expiring contract like he did with Vermette when Kane ended the 2015 season on LTIR but Vermette’s price was a 1st rnd pick. Perhaps there is an albatross contract out there a team wants to get rid of that would work in the Hawks favor like the Teuvo Bickell deal worked for the Canes. My gut tells me Stan won’t have many good opportunities to improve the team without giving too much in return but I have no idea.
Bowman gambled on DeHaan and the gamble paid off until one awkward hit. This now goes under the category of a gamble that he lost. When you gamble and lose as a GM, you have to be held accountable.
All this would explain the fact that Seabs seemed to drop off in ability more than others his age. We keep hearing from posters that Seabs’ teammates were angry with the way Seabs was being treated. The one Keith interview seemed to be consistent with that line of thought. When you come right down to it, these posters don’t know anything. They might be guessing right but they don’t know anything for certain. Maybe Seabs was in too much pain to play. Colliton certainly knew some of it. It will be very interesting to hear the chronology of all this as to who knew what and when, if it comes out. If Seabs hid all of it, it does not make him a warrior. It makes him a bad teammate knowing he was playing in a vastly diminished capacity. The fact that Colliton doesn’t seem to have stature is what plays in to the “Seabs was mistreated” theme.
This will sound really cold, but professional sports is a cold profession. The fact that Seabs can’t play anymore this year helps the Hawks. Colliton won’t have to put a diminished legend out there anymore, fearing that if he doesn’t, that teammates will get mad (assuming it was actually the case that teammates were mad). This season is shot, so let Bovquist and Gilbert rack up big minutes and learn the NHL game. I wasn’t sure the season was shot until the New Jersey debacle. Now there can be little doubt.
Despite the fact that there is now lots of cap space, you know Rocky doesn’t like paying out huge dollars to players that can’t play. It’s in excess of $10 mil or so that is being shelled out for players that are done for the season (although a chunk is covered by insurance). If he replaces them with players with similar contracts, he’d better hope the seats in the UC stay filled. If there are more performances like the one against NJ, that is a dubious proposition.
Boy oh boy. What a mess.
After the news on Seabrook, some people here are STILL hating on him.
The same people I bet that hated on Bickell as he started going South.
The same people who will ‘ask the Google’ what I mean by the following:
17th Century Philosopher Hegel and 19th Century Philosopher Santayana were exactly right.
Man oh man.
I’ll take Scandella off Buffalos hands instead of Bogosian?? He’s always hurt. Speedy winger would help, I always liked Huala’s speed…..
I’ll take Scandella off Buffalos hands instead of Bogosian?? He’s always hurt. Speedy winger would help, I always liked Huala’s speed…..Seabrook deserves better.
Yea Seabsy boy playing through some Hoss like stuff just to keep playing. Seabsy did it even when we sucked for 2 yrs.
Love the f-book and espn, fixed, comments by other teams fans. What your jealous we won a dynasty.
Whats up now bra.
Now we know how to trade Seabs caphit. Going to funny to read the comments by other teams fans. As we add a top pair Defensemen through ufa with the cap space.
Hope Seabsy boy and Haan have succes with doctors and play again at 100% full recovery or retire based on career. Good for 81 and 7.
Even when these 2 and Saad were healthy, it was clear this team had minimal chances for the post season. With all the teams that make the playoffs and the current and continuing playoff drought, I don’t want Bowman to be allowed to spend any of that cap money that has become available. He has done enough damage to this franchise. And remember he had nothing to do with assembling the core. He let a once a decade player in Panarin go. His bad judgment can’t be allowed further player transactions
Letting Panarin go is not as bad as it seems.
IMO, Panarin is the most over rated player in the NHL.
The guy plays a perimeter game. A game that is great when snow is on the ground and racking up points is the goal.
But in the Spring when the game becomes a man’s game, where you sell out all over the ice to bury the puck in their net while sticking you face in the way to keep it out of yours; Panarin is a wallflower.
His playoff record is 1-4, with no big goals
or points in money games 5-7.
I am no fan of Bobo the Clown, but his trade of Panarin is not his worst move.
Give this ago to try and clarify ltir, right now Dehaan and Seabrook are out for season with Shaw and Cagguila unknown how long. After last day of season until July 1st there is no salary cap. From July 1st to opening day the limit is new cap limit plus 10% over teams are allowed. Bonuses earned and ltir players are added after season to give total caphit. If on July 1st that number exceeds this seasons caphit, the amount over is carried and counted against to next seasons caphit all year. Teams have to be down cap limit on opening day. To place someone on ltir they can get down to cap limit by opening day and place player on ltir or place him on ltir day before and able open season up to players caphit over or over combined hits if more than one put on lir. Off season only applies if theres no chance player can play next year, may not apply. If player comes off after being placed on ltir during season then team is required to have all salaries on roster not be over cap ceiling. Hope that helps.
Agree Big Indian Seabrook is one of the gereatest Blackhawks of all time, wouldn’t rule out him returning next season at this point.
Sad news for sure.
My hope is for them to return next year, however being realistic it’s most likely their playing days are over.
If they were to come back neither of them will be able to play the same game as before.
Yea I would like both guys to play again. They are good. Haan is good.
If there not playing again, may we use the ltir to our advantage to the fullest, we deserve that and 44 and 7 deserve to do what they want.
This could be very good for everyone here.
Only thing is these good players not playing anymore is weird. Seasby boy is one of the 4-6 core players of a dynasty team. Only 7 dynasty teams in history of hockey and he is one of the core players of one of those teams.
When you consider MON got the first 10? draft picks every yr, for 30? or 50? yrs when hockey started, they arent * there. Same with DET having 95m payrolls in mid 90s when every other team was around 25? Yea thats legit.
Lets see if hawks take other teams bad contracts and get prospects/ draft picks now that they have money.
The recommended course of action for the Hawks by other NHL Teams sources is to take on a couple of expiring contracts from teams that are trying to clear Cap space and receive draft picks in the deals.A couple of the sites have put out some scenarios and numbers Cap wise but I have not seen a scenario played out where Seabrook and Dehaan both dont return and the Hawks deal 1 or both of the goalies.Also Caggula still displaying symptoms of his Concussion problems and Shaw is not even close.I like all of these players but these are some serious health issues.The Shaw stuff is frightening.His last concussion he spent over 2 months in a dark room for most of his days.Terrible and unfortunate circumstances may have put the Hawks into the position of a massive rebuild sooner than any of us thought would happen.This upcoming Draft is deep and has a lot of NHL ready talent.The time is here for a fresh and hardcore hockey approach in the front office.
Joey in Seabrooks case, he was playing through it since awhile, and looks like his choice to do it now. If surgery is career ending would think he get it done in off season and play out this season. Looks to me like he is doing it with intentions of playing again next year, unless getting his hips replaced or something, unlikely. No time frames or what type of surgery mentioned yet.
Always love Seabrook…one of the strong moment i remember is when he had enought of Toews going to penalty box in the playoff..when directly to Toews on the bench snd calm him. After that Seabrook move Captain came back stronger and more focus…Seabrook is a warrior and will always be remember for his strong solid performance …play hard,,,block shots….hit hard…strong in the corners, score important goals,not selfish ,a real team player .
He will probably not come back to the game but he had a big impact on that team for many years ..he deserve RESPECT from everybody here for what he done.he will soon be helping the younger kids to develope into good players.
Nothing is forever in life
Love my Hawks
Letting Panarin go was one of Bowman’s dumbest trades.
Panarin is one of top players in the NHL who is consistently in the top ten in scoring. The guy who helped Kane win an NHL scoring title.
Perimeter player… you could also be talking about Patrick Kane.
Panarin actually played in the playoffs last year scoring 5 goals and 6 assists in 10 playoff games.
How many Blackhawks right now is better than Artemi Panarin?
How does anybody know what Panarin would have done in free agency, went undrafted and used his chance to sign with Blackhawks to get a foot in the Nhl door. Read lots of posts no fas would want to sign with Blackhawks now why would anybody assume Panarin would.
If Seabrook is back next year I hope it’s in a bench coach role. His playing days are done but as a coach he’s just starting.
Tim, I like the way you think and post things. The more things that are happening the more it makes sense to do it now, this deadline draft summer.
Its fine to add a #1 Defensemen/ufa or trade, we do not have do it completly by draft. Otherwise load up draft picks and I do not mean 4-6 rounders.
It tuff and exciting. Seeing HOF dynasty players Hoss Sharp Hammer now Seabs not playing anymore. Exciting for loading up for this draft and elite players we already have coming/on the way. Add to the wave.
Get his foot in the NHL door?? Ian what are you talking about?
When Panarin signed with Chicago I would right at that time assume Panarin wanted to play for Chicago and not for the Rangers.
Are you trying to tell me that Panarin signed with Chicago with full intentions of eventually becoming an unrestricted free agent so that he could then become a Ranger?…..Wow!
Probably a little more like the Hawks would have a difficult time fitting Panarin’s long term contract into the Chicago cap space situation.
Core members on long term no trade contracts basically was a big reason Chicago could not sign Panarin long term…. Lack of cap space… my humble opinion.
I will stick with the Panarin trade was not a good trade. Top ten scorer for Brandon Saad was not smart.
With a lot of cap space and potential trades, it’s more important now that Bowman is gone. As bad as it is , he can make it a lot worse .
Panarin is overrated.
Somebody show me him coming up big when the money is on the table in the Spring.
The guy has a 1-4 playoff record.
They means in 4 years he has gotten past the 1st round once.
He has swept and gotten swept.
They means he has a shallow record in money games 5-7.
Sure he can light it up….in October thru March.
How has he lit it up in April-June when it really matters?
Seeing as how he has played a grand total of less than two weeks in May over 4 years, I am guessing that light is pretty dim.
Hence, the over rated tag.
I could go on about Panarin but what is the point?
We saw what he did in two playoff series with the Hawks.
He got beaten by a lesser but grittier Blues team in 7 games, then got swept by a harder playing Predators team.
His style is pretty. But gritty wins Cups.
See: Marian Hossa
”IF” 7 has played his last game, my sincere thanks for his long time commitment to being one of the greatest ever to wear the Indian. Seabs became Big Time Brent as far as I’m concerned.
I cant say I have any confidence at all in Bowman doing the right thing at this point. His plate is spilling into his lap, and onto his shoes.
Stape Panarin wanted to come to nhl for a few years and couldn’t get a contract offer, well documented. Made it quite clear his last year in Chicago he wanted 6m/ year in his next contract. Bowman gave him that and then traded him. Both sides were happy and pick whatever reason you want , it was pretty obvious when he left he wasn’t coming back, so not likely woulda stayed as an ufa either. So regardless why, it was hardly a dumb trade if he was going to walk anyways.
Veleno had a nice game today. Beast in the dot. Not hearing much about Beaudin yet.
When Chicago signed Lehner last year why didn’t they sign him to a long term deal?
Are Chicago going to trade him at the deadline or are they going to just let him possibly walk away for nothing?
Hopes of making the playoffs could be costly.
Jordy noticed Bowen Byram didn’t pl0ay alot today. No pp or pk mins., very little in 3rd period when protecting a lead. Agree Lefreniere a real prospect.
Teply had 3 primary assists in Czech win over Russia, could be a sleeper pick this summer that guy.
Tomkins got win in nets at Spengler Cup, Mitchell an assist and Versteeg a goal.
Stape have to think now, if any doubt before, he’ll either be moved by tdl, unless going to be extended. Can’t imagine any blockbuster deals with ltir room to make playoffs at this point.
Stape, my hope is that he would sign a 2 or 3 year contract, but if he wants to go somewhere else then it’s easy. The tricky part is if he says he wants to test free agency but is open to hearing from the Hawks. Then you make the right decision, which I think is to get something at the trade deadline.
I think he deserves honest talk and he would be honest back to the team that signed him this past year.
(Problem is in Stan we no longer trust.)
People can have favorites or players they like more. If everyone of these prospects makes it, most will, its fine who we picked unless its one of the few who are duds or not top 10 quality. Same for the few that are gems.
I always liked BoQ and Mitch a lot. Hope that Beau and others arnt busts.
Lehner and a top pair Defensemen or maybe a bigger legit top 6 FW I would trade for ufa or something to get/keep. Otherwise load up deep draft. Draft saving rebuild.
The Fansided Site did a small piece on the 3 Coaches that the Hawks should replace Colliton with.#1 Jon Cooper-Current Tampa Bay Coach.#2 John Tortorrela-Current Columbus Coach.#3 Ken Hitchcock-Free Agent .I could see Cooper if Tampa is an early exit.Tortorella has always preferred the east coast and probably is a little too honest for this fan friendly organization.Hitchcock I think would be outstanding as a G.M.At 69 doubt he wants to get behind the bench again.I could see him bringing his buddy Lindy Ruff here with him though.
Noonan from what i read earlier in the year, Lehner wants long term stability more than a higher short term. Sounds like he could’ve signed similar deal with Isles and turned it down, hoping to get more term and ended up signing one year in Chicago. So hard to say how he would feel about testing fa again.
Mo would you take last couple of years of P.K.Subban contract if Devils retained salary.
I just think we need to add, at some point, a legit top 6 FW and a top pair D. We cant rebuild entirely through draft. 19 88 and maybe 2 arnt going anywhere. Some others stay, then its the drafted wave.
So I would add a top pair guy, then maybe he sign for less caphit later or similiar. Just do not want to end up like SJ. They had a really good top 4 and were a top team, now look at them, just because of Pavalski. So want mostly through draft but we know even the dynasty teams we had wernt all draft.
So we ll have some and we need them at some point. We got our goalie in Lehner, now try to keep him. Same thing with a top pair D guy, get one first, then try to keep him. Once these top players see the young wave emerge like other young temas are now, they will stay. because were the next on the rise.
Once a new structured system is implemented this team needs at least 2 Centers,4 forwards/wingers,3 puck moving defensemen and a young goalie.Also the organization has to make Rockford a much more viable developmental and feeder for them with more than 3rd and 4th line forwards and 3rd pairing defensemen.
Tim agree like to see more top draft picks get developed and not traded. Mostly your top guys don’t spend time in Ahl as a a we saw, not counting Keith and Crawford, with Toews, Kane and Seabrook and current players Dach and Kubalik start in Nhl, farm moot point there. Boqvist, Gilbert, Gus, Saad, Kampf, Shaw and Highmore that came through Rfd., plus couple more recent callups. That is a third to half the roster that came up through Rfd., pretty good really. There is potential down there now to fill some holes next year, plus Mitchell and maybe Barrett ready, a high draft pick and couple of acquisitions could check your boxes other than a coach. Not as far away as it sounds.
I got it! We can get Runblad back!!! That will fix everything as far as D is concerned.
For having guys, that can play better then 4th line 3rd pair, in rockford to use when unjuiries happen and devloping into players that make the wave deeper. The guys we draft now and next yrs can be that depth in rockford. If some of the dudes Ian mentioned and Kurashev Enwhistle other are good at get here first.
Then your talking about what we need, for that.
Not sure where we get a young goalie, thats why I would add a top pait anytime we can, younger then 29 and any top goalie we van get our hands on, Lehner as long as we can keep him other wise we have a loaded team starting prime yrs and no goalie. That sounds like the 2009 team.
But it doesnt matter how good your players are the roster is without a good system and structure in the GM devleopment scout areas. These guys are fine with a loaded team and coach like Q, 2nd best of alltime. You donot get those very oftern. SO were doing a different ‘new’ nhl style. Then we need to get the new ‘style’ people in here across the board.
Both our goalies are free agents. They are going to sign where they feel comfortable next year. Be it money or term. Looking at each conference the Western has 1 team with 54 pts and 10 teams with 49 to 41 pts. A good goalie can help.
Thinking Oilers Flames Jets need one maybe Preds. Think they will ride Pekka.
Eastern have 2 teams in the 50’s points and 9 within 49-40. Toronto and Carolina targets. Carolina has 2 #1 picks 2 #2s 2 #3s. Toronto 2 #4s
One guy goes to Toronto for Kapanen plus a 4. The other to Carolina for picks. Ask for a 1 & 2. Probably get a 1 & 3 or 2 & 3. Either way I’m happy. With either team we can eat salary.
Mo until the status of 7, 44 and 65 are known for next season, what players you can keep or acquire is up in the air. If all, as everyone should hope are back healthy, then adding players with their caphits is tough, without moving players. If one or more aren’t expected to play next year then the roster moves can happen to a certain extent. Depending on injury status, could be just for a year or maybe longer.
Roman, thats what we should do.
Ian, sure. I am going with Seabs will retire the ltir way/until contract is up. With both goalies traded leaving way too much cap space not to add any top pair D or legit top 6 FW we can get our hands on, during this summer or next summer/doesnt have to be this summer. When any are available. Going to need them with young wave anyways.
19 88 and prob 2 arnt going anywhere. Everybody else can and we should maximize loading up picks and ‘good’ prospects for this draft since its good timing on us not being good for whatever reason, even with a full roster. Just not fiting the way it should.
So lets reload rebuild whatever whoever wants to call it. Do it, do it.
JR thing with Crawford his modified no trade is as good as a nmc at tdl if he wants to stay. By that i mean he can easily submit a 10 team list that wouldn’t be interested in acquiring him at that point. Also to get a return that befits a starting goalie the team getting him has to be looking for a no. 1 goalie. Oilers have a tough time adding a goalie as Smith has 35+ no move contract so can’t do trade or waive moves without him agreeing, doubt they trade Koshkinen, unless they want to move on altogether from him.
Without the goalies caphits, Haans caphit isint much/especially without however many of 44 6 65 15 not styaing. Unless Seabs ready for game 1 we ll have that extra ltir to use until then. Really the goalies 11 m and cap rise and some of 44 6 65 15 not staying prob, we ll have plenty to add, if its a top pair D or legit top 6 FW.
I like helping TOR and CAR, waymore then any of those other teams.
Mo until you know players status for sure its hard to say. If they are looking at players not returning, could be a Leafs type situation for a couple years, rather than trading prospects to move caphits, way too early to know and hopefully they return.
Mo,I think that is the best scenario goalie wise.I could see Crawford waving to go to Toronto.Lehner to Carolina for 2 high draft picks and an expiring contract.Hopefully Kappanean and Cici and a draft pick from Toronto.If this is a true rebuild you dont need to be dropping 11 million on goalies.I know things were terrible on the ice for Crawford against Jersey but if he was completely healthy I have a real problem with him waving to come out of the game after giving up 4 goals.And as much as I like Lehner and his incredible play,the shootout thing is troublesome and his outspoken nature ,as refreshing as it is ,is going to wear thin on a rebuilding team.The trade deadline is the time to get maximum return.If I could move Strome I would.He is not the future.
Given how this season has unfolded, I am shocked Rocky has been status quo with Stan and the coach. As others have mentioned, there is a high probability of others being gone for the year which means there are some short term moves that can be made for the future, acquiring draft picks etc….given where we are at, do we really want Stanbo negotiating those deals and Jco coaching prospects any further?
Toronto is not going to give up Kapanen, Ceci and a first rounder for Crawford. Crawford would be back up to Anderson. Leafs are going to ride Anderson.
See Colliton said he expects Seabrook and Dehaan to be ready for training camp. Hopefully so. Hawk One agree stockpiling picks this draft is priority right now, saying that since a bit.
Ian, I know man. I am just going with they retire, you can play after 4 now 5 shoulders not sure about one let alone two hip thigns. I want them to play again. Without knowing until then, I am going with Seabs retires and Haan might play. Haan caphit is fine for keeping him for how ever many more yrs. The difference in Seabs playing again nor not is adding a top pair Defensemen ufa at 27 yrs old with big capit and yrs, though thats the only way, other then draft, to get them. Lets get one. That wont affect the young wave, any and is what we need at some point.
Thinking what these guys are saying about deadline, goalies/both 56 maybe 17 and others. Load up for this draft and get good young players back in these trades.
This is an opportunity for us. We need to take it. Things happen for a reason and this is helping stack the rebuild even more.
It doesnt matter if we ve been reloading for 2 yrs, while waiting for young wave to be ready. These things have happened and not sure if any one thought we would be this shitty this yr, with a full roster, makes no sense. So its time to rebuild, not complete-19 88 2 staying, rebuild in stacking that young wave.
Anderson can play, until game 7. They need a winner and Anderson is not one.
Bobby agree Leafs never do that deal for a backup. Canes have alot of picks though and Mzarek struggling, they might do a deal, not alot to offer in expiring contracts though, couple of possibilities maybe, likely want a little cap moved or salary retained the way maybe and get better picks to do it. Resigning Lehner or playing so many games, playoff success likely be conditional on that deal and give higher picks.
Brian Burke was on Sirius today talking about the Hawks situation and he said the Hawks management owes it to the team and the city to not to gain some improvement in the short term, even if they are feeling any heat. And he put out a rhetorical ?-would 10 to 12 million cap relief really fix the situation and put them in a place to truly compete with Colorado or St. Louis-they he answered his own question-not really.
I’m just waiting this out, long term, to see what happens.
I remember Rocky’s exact words in the aftermath of Quenneville’s firing …… he said that McDonough and Jay Blunk came to him with the plan to get rid of Q. Didn’t mention Stan’s name. Said he gave McDonough and Blunk the approval. Then went on to speak at length about how there have to be these hard conversations and hard decisions made and that is their approach as an organization.
Then, in the aftermath of that, the way things have proceeded with rosters, moves, etc, I have no idea what to assume from this bunch. Colliton seems like Stan’s pick who he is continuing to ride, but who the hell knows? I’ve been shot down previously for saying it seems like marketing McDonough has too much influence on coaching and player moves. It all seems like a scrambled mess.
If they don’t do things correctly they could be the Bulls 2.0. Sell a lot of seats and merchandise. Lose ability to sell the place out night in and night out but still have a large net worth. However, become irrelevant as a competitive organization that brings victories, much less anything close to championships, for a long long time.
I thought the report said, shoulders injuries now. Then next season two not one hip injuiries. I do not know if they are done at same time or each hip at a time. I am going off of that. If there is not hip stuff, then yea they both should be ready for game 1.
p.s. look at Colliton’s press conference today …… talking and smiling in a much more relaxed tone than I’m used to seeing. There, that’s my contribution to the conspiracy theories :). However quite noticeable to me.
Mo hip one hip done mid January other one done early February. Give him 7 months until camp.
Big Indian really hard to say which way this will turn, in next few years. Colliton alot times looks to be a PR guy trying to say the right thing, sends confusing messages. Agree too marketing would seem to make alot of sense on alot of decisions, big contracts, pretty naive to think those were Bowmans call. Also player reunions seem to be to make fans happy, more than to improve team. Even players who are shipped out, often seem like players who at the time of trade weren’t real popular.
The RIGHT GM will make the RIGHT MOVES. Job 1 is getting the RIGHT GM who can rebuild not just the pipeline and roster but the entire hockey side of the operation. If, given this unanticipated cap space opportunity, Rockwell lets the WRONG GM continue to drive the bus even after he has driven if off the cliff on so many deals then it will be for nought.
@Ian: looking forward to seeing Teply against TC (Tuesday I think). I only saw him a bit yesterday, but he was noticeable in a good way. Lanky like Entwistle but (fingers crossed) maybe more upside.
Ian agree Carolina could use ( need) a goalie if they want to go far in the playoffs. Don’t know what they would give up for Lehner. If McD is calling the shots then we’re really in trouble. He knows absolutely nothing about hockey. Rocky get rid of him , Stan and JC . Bring in the Hunter boys.
I dont mean to pile on Colliton but today’s comments on Seabrook and Dehaan seem premature on a few levels.He expects then both back for Training camp?These are all major surgeries on older players.As we know it’s the 5th shoulder surgery for Dehaan and if someone could tell me the last defenseman who has had both hips operated on ,and throw in a shoulder with that,I would be very interested to hear that successful rehab and return.Also,even if this team goes into rebuild mode going for the draft picks and he thinks that he will be the Coach to see them through that transition,he is delusional. This would have been a perfect time to keep quiet and let it all playout into their rehabs before speaking.Anyway,better pick up the pace on those surgeries Brett,Coach Colliton is expecting you for training camp.
Boy am I with you Bobby.God help this organization if McDonough is making any trade decisions.Now the next Bobblehead give away night?Yes.He can make that call.
Mo, Leafs are going to ride Anderson. They may go after a quality backup but their not going after Lehner or Crawford.
On hockey buzz , the rumour from a reliable nhl source. 3 way trade Chic, Rangers, islanders. Hawks get Chris Kreisler for a top young player and a pick. Also are showing interest in. Mike Green from Detroit. This is insanity if they still believe they can make the playoffs. Fire Stan now .
Colliton seems more of an extension of the front office and no real connection to the team. The players seem to be left to figure things out for themselves alot of times and Colliton is just there for appearances. Where Qs passion and priorities were winning hockey games, which the players understand, respect and loved to play for. Now Colliton’s priorities a seem to be front office driven and no urgency to win or rappaport with the players. Direction of team seems unclear, players they are building around changing constantly. I think the biggest thing missing right now in this organization is the disconnect between players and front office. Only Wirtz can make needed moves to bring that back.
Ian could not agree more
@Bobby, that rumor has zero chance. No way the Hawks trade assets for an expiring player. That won’t help their porous defense nor the 40 shots a night they are giving up.
Could maybe see Kreider to the Hawks,Saad to the Islanders,couple of draft picks to the Rangers.
Ian, I didnt know I read thought I read should now and then like 3-6mths for that, if Haans is 4-5 mths. Then readnext yr in 2020 doing hip, each. So I was thinking that a Bolly first 60 of that yr kind of thing.
I want Seasby boy to come back with a vengeance. Skating faster. Nail em.
Maybe a bigger Lehner and Gus trade to Toronto for Cici and Kappanen and a draft pick.
Tim. Toronto doesn’t want Gus. They have Oreilly, and Barrie for offence on the back end. Plus their D is bad enough without adding Gus to the mix. Plus Kappannen just signed a cap friendly 3 yr deal. Leafs are not going to trade him
Don’t put any stock in hockey buzz especially eklund.
He’s a clown with no credibility.
What is JC smiling about at press conference??? Hawks cluster to bottom than even 8th seed WC. Just lost a franchise icon. Gotta go.