Six Blackhawks Make Top Under-23 List

On Thursday, Corey Proman at The Athletic published his league-wide top 155 player rankings for individuals under 23 years of age.

The list is a massive, impressive undertaking by a respected analyst. He does a great job of making the case for players’ rankings.

Six Blackhawks players made the list. Here’s what Pronman had to say about each of them.

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16. Kirby Dach

Tier: Elite/high-end bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 65
Hockey Sense: 60

Dach is the prototype of what you think of in a first-line center. He’s tall, he can play in front of the net, he’s a great skater for his size, he is skilled and he makes a lot of plays to his wingers. When you see Dach coming up the ice with his speed, size and skill, it’s easy to see why he was a No. 3 pick. I found his effort more consistent in the NHL than it was in the WHL, showing he can handle the physicality of the level and still make his dazzling skill plays. He had ebbs and flows through his rookie NHL season as an 18-year-old and his overall production was good, not amazing — albeit with a strong postseason. But it’s clear the sky-high potential he has as he matures.

30. Alex DeBrincat

Tier: High-end NHL player

Skating: 60
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 20
Hockey Sense: 65
Shot: 70

DeBrincat had a down year after his 40-goal season in 2018-19. He remains a great player and you could argue he was unlucky in 2019-20. He has a very quick stick and can make skilled plays through defenders. His shot is elite, with the ability to pick corners and hit iron from long range. He’s a big-time goal-scorer, but sees the ice very well and is able to make plays through seams. He’s a strong, elusive skater but lacks true explosiveness, which is concerning at 5-foot-7. He competes well but isn’t an interior player, as he gets a lot of his shots and chances from the slot and mid-range. His true value lies between the last two seasons.

55. Adam Boqvist

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey Sense: 65
Shot: 60

Boqvist played most of the season up in the NHL as a 19-year-old, and he held his own, although I wouldn’t say he stood out. Boqvist is an excellent puck-moving defenseman. His offensive IQ stands out whenever he has the puck, showing great vision and awareness of how to attack defenses with his passes, skill and skating. He’s often joining attacks in the right way and has the skill to improvise and create chances. He only scored five goals last season but he has a big shot and will score goals in the league. His defense isn’t his selling point because of his size and lack of elite mobility, but I thought he was sufficient defensively in the NHL. He’s going to be a top-four defenseman and a big part of Chicago’s power play for the foreseeable future.

117. Lukas Reichel

Tier: Very good NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 45
Hockey Sense: 60

Reichel had an impressive season playing versus men and getting regular minutes in the DEL for a good club in Eisbaren Berlin. I always saw some skill and speed in his game, but last season I saw a high level of creativity with the puck, making difficult plays through defenders and to his teammates. He has the skill and the pace to score in the NHL. I wouldn’t call him the true playmaker you want running a power play, but he sees the ice well and gets a high IQ grade due to how well he creates in small areas. The last time he recorded a penalty was two seasons ago in junior club play, but I don’t think he’s soft. I’ve seen him be hard on his puck pursuits, drive the net frequently and win battles versus bigger players. But it would be fair to say he’s not a very physical or edgy player.

120. Alexander Nylander

Tier: Very good NHL player

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 45
Hockey Sense: 60
Shot: 60

Nylander is a highly-skilled player. He showed in the league this season that he was able to move the puck and make skilled plays at the top level. He has the ability to run an NHL power play. He only scored 10 goals, but he has a good mid-range wrist shot and can finish and create plays at a top-end level. Nylander struggles to turn defenders with speed and given he is a perimeter player by nature he can get taken out of games by strong, mobile defensemen. The skill, playmaking and scoring ability will make him a valuable piece but you will have to live with the limitations.

152. Ian Mitchell

Tier: Very good NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 40
Hockey Sense: 60

Mitchell is a skilled puck-mover. He has the high IQ to find seams, stretch the ice and hold pucks to let lanes develop. He has quick-twitch hands to make skilled plays but prefers to make a good pass as opposed to make the flashy skill play. He’s not super quick but is a good skater and will be able to skate at the top level. Mitchell is undersized, but defends fine due to his smarts and mobility. He may not be your team’s best scoring defenseman or top defender, but he will be a useful NHL player.

Looking around the rest of the Central Division:

The highest ranked player in the division is Patrik Laine, who was seventh overall (“Special/Elite”). Colorado’s Cale Makar (13) and Dallas’ Miro Heiskanen (14) were the only other players on the list ranked higher than Dach from inside the Central.

The Rangers and the Devils led the league with nine players each while the Kings and Senators each had eight on the list.

62 thoughts on “Six Blackhawks Make Top Under-23 List

  • October 22, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    First thing I see with the list ..
    Physical game- Dach 65 the 5 other players average is …are you ready ? 37
    Off course some of them will probably be more Physical when they have more strength and Experience. But still. 37 is quite low

  • October 22, 2020 at 12:44 pm

    Some pretty good talent there, should be some nice future pieces there. Some questions yet but some bright spots.

    Just looking at last 5 drafts, 40 players selected, 33 still in system. Jokiharju only one traded, other 6 left after rights expired and not offered an elc. Assuming from Bowmans comments Mitchell will be part of Nhl roster, 4 on Nhl roster, Dach, Boqvist and Debrincat with Mitchell. There is 9 in Ahl on elcs: Barrett, Kurashev, Teply( eligible to return to jrs too), Beaudin, Carlsson, Krys, Soderlund, Hakkarainen and Altybarmakyan. Nine committed to Ncaa: Vlassic, Basse, Ess, Foo, Wise, Slavin, Commesso plus 3rd and 4th picks this year, names slip my mind right now. There 7 in Europe, Reichel, Krutil, Saarela, Kayumov, Nordgren, Galvas and Laavainen. Moberg and last 3 picks this year in Chl. Last 5 years have been actually hanging on to their draft picks for most part.

  • October 22, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    five of the six are soft players. not good when those on the horizon of a varsity of soft players are soft as well. who is going to play defense, be physical, and get the puck back? when your two best defensive prospects are rated below nylander in terms of physicality that is not a good thing.

  • October 22, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    Once Dach establishes himself he should be in the 4-12 range. Being a top 3 pick and prob the top player from that draft/doesnt mean each draft is equal anount of elite players. That of 4 drafts 20/21/22/23 age players he should be in the 4-12 area.

    Can remember in 2012? we had like 5/6/7 in the top 100 players. Think it was prospects not under 23. Same difference and that young wave added to our core had us deep for 3 Cups in 4 yrs/counting 2014. So this is good.

    Have to have the elite players to win. Cant be like VEG thats why they added Pie and those other players like Pacman others. Have to just like TB.

  • October 22, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    These types of lists are best revisted years later. Wonder what a list like this from 2001 looks like in retrospect.

    Based on Stans interview this season is to evaluate if any of the prospects step into the bottom six and if any of the prospects can make the move into the top six. He seemed to highlight Nylander but sounded about as optimistic as the keyboard critics here. Either way nylander is signed and as it stands would likely be one of the protected players on the Seattle draft because ….well….the team is …there arent that many players that must be protected.

    Bash Stan all you want the virus has changed things. You think he trades matta for nothing if no virus aka no cap imcrease? I do not. Six teams over the cap right now. Lots of teams ready to eat a cap hit.

    To me this whole situation few mention revolves around player development…I’m talking about what minor league hockey actually looks like. I hope everything returns to normal like most everyone else. GO WOLVES! Though in the meantime sorry if I missed a reply, what are the rules on calling up and demoting players in terms of how many?

    The Blackhawks have a long list of players who are waiver exempt. It will be a compact season. If one of the goalies is at least average I could see this team making the playoffs with fresh legs in back to back games which I will assume there will he more than usual this year. So how many can be called up throughout the year?

  • October 22, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    Since Dach we have been adjusting to bigger/physical. We added/adjusted to Dach Vlassic Barratt/Kurachev/Johnson-not 200 but 190 isint small for smaller guys Entwhistle Regula Zadorov Jannmark.

    Were going in right direction with every/basically add here for size and stuff.

    More to do though keep it up.

  • October 22, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    Congratulations Hawks 2010, you are closing in on Iceman (aka Greg B.) and Perimeter Player for the whiniest little bitch on the board award.

    Those “physical play” marks are just one writer’s opinion you dumb shit. It is nothing to be concerned about … except if you are a whiny little bitch.

    What time is the circle jerk with you, Perimeter Player, and Iceman and his two little whore-ette daughters? Be sure to allow some extra time for Perimeter Player to get “warmed up” … remember he’s a dumb old coot so it’ll take him extra time.

  • October 22, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    Honest – I’ve never never heard of any limit on how many players can be called up

    The only limit that I know of regarding call ups is the salary cap

  • October 22, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    Pronman has been consistently higher on Nylander than just about everyone on this board including me – hopefully the expert is right

    I haven’t given up on Nylander yet but I have my doubts for sure

  • October 22, 2020 at 7:57 pm

    If Nylander is in the top 9 then you have 3 players who play from the perimeter (Kane , DeBrincat, Nylander) and are poor defensively. Not a good recipe. Nylander has been in the Ahl 2 or 3 seasons , plus one in the NHL. How much more time does he need to prove he belongs.

  • October 22, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    Hones, maximum active roster during season is 23, 21 skaters 2 goalies, unless somebody reaches needed games to lose waivers exempt status callups aren’t to how often. After tdl no number limit if they are under salary cap and callups are only emergency then.

  • October 22, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Seems like Nylander feels like Sikura did waiting and waiting could be really good then we see. Same for BoQ people donot like certain devlopment things.

    Wait and see it seems to me like BoQ will be really good Nylander might be good and Sikura wasnt.

    Doesnt do us any good to trade them. If they are good its worth the wait.

    My choice is BoQ as being a really good player just takes 200 games and hes 17 at draft to like 86 was.

  • October 23, 2020 at 1:16 am

    Now that Danny and Stan are firmly in control of the ‘rebuild” and totally committed to young players, I am openly hoping we draft Owen Power in 2021. An absolute stud. Think Zach Werenski.
    I also think Wyatt Kalynuk will come in and wow people.
    The Janmark move was solid. He will be moved at the deadline for a 2nd rounder. Excellent playoff grinder.
    On Strome. I’m not sure he stays. I think Lucas Wallmark is the new 3rd line Center. Kampf if 4th line and Pirri is depth (5th). I think that’s why Stan said in various interviews this past week that he might make trades going forward for draft picks when asked why he did not get any back for Saad.

  • October 23, 2020 at 8:16 am

    Craig – I’ve read that the Hawks think Kalnyuk is currently ahead of Mitchell. In development although he is 2 years older

    If the Hawks expect Mitchell to be on next year’s roster then they must be thinking Kalnyuk could be there too which means somebody like DeHaan will need to go to open up a roster spot

    You could be right about Strome – we’ll see

  • October 23, 2020 at 8:34 am

    Morrison …I agree that BoQ will need more time to adjust and become a real good Dman ..He is still learning after it’s first year in NHL …yess the 200 games is necessary and he has to have fun playing hockey ( coach need to understand that also )
    About Nylander I have doubts about him because constancy is really not there and sometimes he looks like he has something else to do In his life beside hockey and not focus at all, maybe a talk or 2 with Seabrook or Toews .

    Craig . I think he will be signed by the Hawks but will probably be move before the end of the season if he doesn’t perform similar to the first year with the Hawks.
    His FO% went from 44.92 to 47.68 last year ..a nice improvement And the kid is 23 ..I believe he can be part of the future for the Hawks ….iff he get is scoring touch again .

    Ian …the players that I really would like to see play are Hagel and Kurashev and hope to never see Quenvillle again with the Hawks …it was a mistake not to play Hagel in the last few games this year ..Q was not deserving the spot at all ..he brings nothing to the team ..I also wonder what’s the plan with Saarela and Regula ..Regula would be nice to see play a few games Also before getting 1-2 full year with Rockford.

  • October 23, 2020 at 9:29 am

    Hawks2010, hope to see Saarela earn an elc this year for next season and see how he does in Rfd. The ones they need to decide on because of losing rights are Moberg, Galvas, Ess, Foo and Laavainen. Moberg or Galvas probably only they might consider and Reichel may play 2 more years in Germany so could offer him one if he has a good year. Putting up some offense early in small sample now, even though players playing on his team because of covid cut his ice time. His skating and physical game are definitely give him potential.

    Kurashev, Barrett and Teply most likely best top 6 hopefuls in Rfd. Nylander, Strome and Suter are in this is your year to show you belong positions on Nhl roster. Like Hagel, Morrison maybe Alty, Chalupa and Entwistle as possible top 9 or 4th line guys in Rfd.

    Sounds like Seabrook may sit some and Mitchell and Zadorov play. Though injuries and fact Mitchell and /or Boqvist could need a little time in minors, should give him alot of games if podcasts interviews are any indication. Originally Zadorov said Colliton wanted him as part of a big shutdown pair, but Bowman talked about him as a partner for Mitchell or Boqvist. In recent interview Colliton seems to lean toward Bowmans thoughts as how may play out.

    Tab good interview on brotherly puck podcast. Agree expansion draft seems like best chance to move Seabrooks contract. Doubt it happens but if a buyout is considered next summer seems most likely time, if Bowman is willing absorb little cap relief for other parts. Seabrook would end up getting 13m of 15.5m still owed on contract and a chance to sign elsewhere to recoup the rest. Of course roster flexibility gained instead of big cap relief, likely remote though.

  • October 23, 2020 at 11:54 am

    2010, yea I am not sure on Nylander I tent to trust people here for what they see in some of these young prospects. I only see some of them. I not routing agasint any of them like Nylander Strome Debrincat. They could be scoring machines. Thrn were talking about 200 ft machine that donot score as much as they deserve to like Saad.

    So then for the 23man for when were deep again I want HHNL/MS/Other style players that are two way or good enough at what they are not excellent at. So 12 needs to get on D and the others what they need or make adjustment.

    Got to get 23man with the kind we need. Deep relentless good at D and does what they are ‘good’ at. Players like the 1st pick this draft janmark shaw bolland barratt. Have plenty and I mean plenty of those kind and then the skilled players. Ones like 77 are two head monsters like 19 and 81 was.

    Get 2 moar top 5 skill draft players with 77 we have 3-5 of those and guys lke 19 88 can be the benefish.

    Wallmark 3rd center hes good at faceoffs.

  • October 23, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    Just doing the math – the Hawks have 6 players ranked in the top-152 (152/6=25) which means they’re slightly ahead of the average in a 31 team league. However, with 4 of those 6 players already in the NHL and with the Hawks in the bottom half of wins/losses league standings, their pipeline of young talent is not good. In other words, this transitional new direction is going to take longer to bear fruit than many of us want to acknowledge. Probably closer to 4-5 years than 2-3 years, in my opinion.

    Given that things can sometimes happen quicker than expected where a mid-level prospect can take a quantum leap, but it doesn’t happen often enough to be factored into expectations. We would all love to see a Kurashev jump from a bubble NHL top-6 player into the top-25 prospects list, but the odds of that happening are not good.

    The point is this is probably going to be a long slog and I wouldn’t be surprised if many posters have a lot of dental work in their future because of all the gnashing of teeth that will continue unabated.

  • October 23, 2020 at 12:39 pm

    Wrap listen to the podcasts, when discussing next years roster Mitchell and Boqvist get lots of mention, Kalynuk gets little if any mention. Expect he plays in Rfd. for first part and may get a look as year goes on.

    EB that’s thing about development and progression no matter how you do it, no guarantees it all falls in place. Very possible if they don’t get expected development in next couple of years that it is even longer than 4 or 5 years.

  • October 23, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    MO,I could see both Kalynuk and Mitchell leaping over Boqvist.Besides getting his shot through from the point and some nice passing ,I just don’t see this elite skating and instincts that others see.I know he is 19.I would give him a full year at Rockford to fully develop.As far as Nylander goes,I would hope that he would have to seriously compete for a spot on this team and not be gifted it.With Janmark,Wallmark,Suter,Pirri,Hagel,Morrison,Kurashev,and Chalupa in camp,let the best forwards win the jobs.

  • October 23, 2020 at 1:39 pm

    Yea whats better for development have BoQ there and others get games. NOw were really in for younger players all getting games at some point during the 82 games this yr/when ready enough. Same for preseason games/earn it. Still everyone should get games and have certain players in Rockford.

    With this many waiver free warm us the bus baby. And get some sponsors in another bus like those Hanson brothers sponsor supporters bus.

  • October 23, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    This is why we have 25 good prospects because only so many make it/are really good. Doesnt matter who just fill that 23man with a deep roster.

    Buckaroo and BoQ might not be as good as 2 other D guys. Thats ok just get 2 that are no matter from where. Snag other teams prospects like Kubalik or this D guy. IN the end we need a certain amount thats all that matters.

    Not expecting top 5 roster in 2/3 yrs and not expecting it to take 4/5 yrs to be good top 8-15 team. Just that were loading young wave and one of the two best young teams in that 2/3-4/5 yr from now counting this yr as yr 1.

    It will snowball in right direction once we get rolling. Just get 77 some top notch players to play with.

    Its going to be a good one.

  • October 24, 2020 at 6:49 am

    Travis Dermott signed for less than $900,000 with the Leafs on Friday. One year deal. While he’s a defenseman he was drafted in 2015, much like Dylan Strome and did not have arbitration rights.

    If Strome wants to be a Hawk next season he would be wise to take a similar one year deal, ingratiate himself to the Coach and management and seek a better deal next off-season.

  • October 24, 2020 at 7:27 am

    If Strome doesn’t sign Anthanasiou is a great replacement. Strome at 2mil a yr max for two yrs max. Give Ott a call. Give them Smith and our 5th for one of their 2nds. They got 3 of them. I would even add our 7th to that.

    Give Atha Smith’s money, 3yrs at 3mil each.

    Kubalik Toews Janmark
    Anthanasiou Dach Kane
    DCat Strome Wallmark
    Suter Kampf Chalupa

    Keith Murphy
    deHaan Boq
    Zadorov Kalyuk/Bea


  • October 24, 2020 at 8:57 am

    Craig read somewhere,so may or may not be accurate, that Bowman wants a 2 year deal to avoid a year of arbitration. Strome asking fo a 1 year deal and have atbitration rights, both sound likely on low hit range, so your take that he is wearing out his welcome and be shopped may be what’s happening.

  • October 24, 2020 at 9:13 am

    JR ROMAN,I think they will put Toews,Kubalik and Kane together.Janmark will be with Dach and Debrincat on the 2nd line.Walmark,Suter,and Pirri will be the 3rd line and either Kamph or Carpenter will be with Hagel and Chalupa or Morrison on the 4th line.Zadorov-Mitchell
    DeHaan-Kalynuk for the Defense and Lank in the net.Strome sent packing and Nylander and Boqvist down to Rockford.I know,a lot of wishful thinking there.

  • October 24, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Craig, I hope Strome takes that advice. He may think he’s already proven himself in the NHL with a 57 point season, and he would be correct, so the decision before him is (1) whether he wants to stay with the Hawks, and (2) whether he wants to bet on himself with a “prove it deal”.

    I think it’s likely he will sign a 1-year deal so he can get to arbitration rights after the season, but it will probably be closer to $2.5M than $1M. Either way, as long as it’s a 1-year deal it’s more or less a “prove it” deal which is what both sides should want.

  • October 24, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    If Strome is moved and it seems like the message to him is the only value he has to yhe team at minimum caphit and show you belong, i don’t see a big purge in lineup elsewhere, matbe start year looking like:

    Cat Dach Kane
    Shaw Toews Kubalik
    Suter Wallmark Janmark
    Highmore Kampf Suter

    Dach transition to no.1 C over next couple of years. Suter start on 3rd, similar to Kubalik and move onto Toews line eventually and leave a number of options for 3rd line winger. After solidifying pk last season and Kampf and Carpenter a big part of that, don’t see tearing it down yet, especially with young goalies playing. When Reichel makes roster in a couple of years, obviously his first stop likely 3rd line. Wallmark make a fine bottom 6 center to keep, maybe get good options from Barrett or Kurashev too there. Wallmark may lead very good 4th line that can be dangerous with puck and other teams hate to play against. Enough options on Rfd. to round out that kind of 3rd and 4th line mostly there.

    Keith Dehaan
    Murphy Boqvist
    Zadorov Mitchell
    Seabrook who plays alot

    Mitchell and Boqvist interchangeable. Look at 2nd and 3rd pairs as the top 4, after Keith and Dehasn transition out of that role. Develop the others between Rfd & Nhl to give 3 solid pairings and keep good depth behind that down the road.

  • October 24, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    These lines make sense nice to have enough players to have options and younger players can keep coming in.

    Remember when Q was here that yr we did no have 6 NHL defensemen or PK players.

    Best thing for us it to get moar top 5 skill draft players. Not wanting to lose but we can play good get experience growing pains. Donot think every team from 5th worst record to 8 seed will be within 2 pts of each other this yr. Just donot be the 12 seed and get 17th pick WTFiT.

    2 top 5ish players and one maybe top 1/2/3 with 77 were looking younger core.

  • October 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    Mo agree that can be upgraded, just gets to where maybe a high draft pick can impact and have some capspace to maybe add a high end defenseman and/or forward. Obviously goalie needs answered before that but use this time to get rest of roster where you want it to be in meantime.

  • October 24, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    To me its a must in getting a top pair D guy in this draft with a top 5ish pick. We have to. It doesnt matter if we have 25 Defensemen/not sure how many are top pair quality of the ones we have so have to in draft/unless we get another 77 . I know we only get a few players like this/on these off record yrs. Thats what we need the most.

    Now we could get another 77 and a 7-10 pick on the draft after that. Just would then need to ufa top pair and thats what 6.5-9 m which is fine. Which ever way its have 3 elite FW that are 19/20/21 and a top pair D guy ufa that 27/28.

    When you read it like that 27/28 doesnt seem that old compared to 21. We would need to trade for our Mcdoungh/TB/who traded-ufa 2 of there top 4 Defensemen.

    Like your saying keep adding the other positions as we go along and bank on getting these top 1/2/3 player like 77 and another in the 7-9 range in 22 draft.

    If 12 isint HHNL quality deep material by then then we have 6 m and Saads 6 m to add 2 very good FWs that can play D and score and hit.

  • October 24, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    I find your D pairings to be far more acceptable than last year’s pairings and much better for player development. Everyone here by now ought to know my feelings about Keith and Boqvist paired together, so that is an obvious improvement for me. DeHaan is a far better match for Keith, allowing Keith to be Keith, and Seabrook can take a back-to-back game in deHaan’s place. Murphy knows how to stay home and can be there to help Boqvist, but at the same time allow Boqvist to develop his more aggressive side in moving the puck out and forward (supposedly one of his strengths). That also has the added benefit of shielding Boqvist from the barrage of abuse put on him by oncoming forwards. I think Seabrook gets worked in to different pairings to supply some stability to the defense when our kids may be getting exposed or losing confidence.

    Having said all this, I still think some time in Rockford can help Boqvist get his skates back under him and clear his personal doubts before getting thrown into the fire again. When the playoffs ended, he looking more like a crispy critter than a hockey player due to his frequency of getting burned. He’s young. Let him re-acclimate to a more confident place first.

    Keeping expectations somewhat limited for Mitchell would also be a good thing. Confidence first. Then give him more responsibility. Kids without confidence are liabilities to the team, and to themselves.

    I think approach worked well with Dach last year. Many here were screaming for more ice time and a bigger role as Covid set in. Playoff time – he got just that, and showed himself well. A great year of development for he and Kubalik.

    Get Dcat back on track, and develop 2, 3 or even 4 more kids as well as Dach did last year, and the loss of Crow will go away a lot quicker.

  • October 24, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    The additions of defensively responsible forwards to this team can be a plus in more ways than one. Others can see their play taking place on the ice and the coaching staff can point it out to others (even if those players are just going to be chips used at the TDL). This needs to be a starting point to the team transitioning into a more own-end responsible group. They have been atrocious recently. Time to re-evaluate the choice of defensive scheme too. What is best for the young Dmen?

    Murphy struggled upon arrival because of the difference from AZ to here in Chicago scheme.

    We need Dcat to be become better in his own end. Kubalik was more responsible than him. Toews got burned chasing far too many times. Keith – as stated here by others – frequently looked to not care about a system. This team needs to come together and try to adapt to a system that fits the personnel and the league. We need leadship by the guys wearing letters, not grumbling and whining. Get onboard or get lost.

    That is JC’s biggest issue moving forward. I suggest that he be judged on it not 20 games in, but as the season nears an end. If JC’s only recourse is to sit veterans who can’t figure it out – sit their asses. Ovechkin finally figured it out. We simply don’t have the talent level of 2010-2015 to cover for laziness and sloppiness right now.

    As Dilbert says, “Change is good. You go first”.

  • October 24, 2020 at 3:58 pm

    Silent agree on importance of defense. Maybe if going with young goalies doesn’t produce a no.1 for next few years as expected, it brings the yeam in front together to play defense to help them. That would be a huge step for their confidence to do that as a complete team effort and be competitive as a result.

  • October 24, 2020 at 4:24 pm

    Just wondering if Edm has soured on RNH or vice versa. He’s been there 9 years and nothing won yet. Another of their #1 drafts picks. They traded Hall why not RNH. They could use the cap space. A RNH for Smith and 5th round pick conditional pick. Condition being if we sign RNH to a 4yr or better goes to 4th round pick.

    Of course if I’m RNH I do not want to go but… Put me on a line with Kane and Dach could make me a 10mil contract with another team the following year. If I see something happening good with the Hawks maybe I sign for 3yrs and 7 to 8mil a year with the Hawks.

  • October 24, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    @JR Roman

    No way in any world Edmonton would do that trade.

  • October 24, 2020 at 5:18 pm

    JR love your enthusiasm for trades but Oilers looking to win this year. Only way i see RNH going anywhere is if their season goes south and they figure he is going to walk in fa, they might flip him at tdl.

  • October 24, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    The proof the Corey Proman has his head up his ass is the fact Nylander made this forgettable list .

  • October 24, 2020 at 6:10 pm

    I believe that we have to look at Mitchell and Kalynuk differently than Boqvist as they are older and have much more experience albeit College but I think that we will see a little more confidence out of both 0f them right at the start of training camp.

  • October 24, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    BoQ 17 at draft like 86 was so theres another yr there to. Still each Defensemen needs to get to 200 games before we ‘really’ know.

    Plus having a little bit deeper team/faster team then we did 2 and 3 yrs ago and these defensive FW with grit and better faceoffs % we should be in more ideal dpeth chart spots/trickle effect.

    Some of these younger guys were playing in higher spots then they should/for where there at. So we need to do the things you guys are saying and timing. The roster needs adjustment and Bowman is doing it correctly. He can make mistakes and not so hot trades/some just get to the finnish line first/have the roster ready for when the young wave is.

    At that time were not going to have 7 caphits 19 88 might be at 8 or something? Lots and lots to add/even with young core and superstar caphits like 77. Basically put 7 caphits right to 77. Bridge might be less/basically though.

  • October 24, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    TimW definitely, that is why they said Zadorov was brought in, to help with his and Mitchells development. He very well may end up in Rfd. at some point, but he has the advantage of having played at the intensity and speed level of a playoff. See what he learned from that and how it impacts his off season preperation, regular season game pace should be easier now and as Silent pointed out a partner who likely helps his confidence grow should make a difference. Unless his training camp shows regression, i think gets to start year in Chicago.

  • October 24, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    Another consideration too is Koekkoek, Cagguila nor Fortin have signed anywhere yet. Bowman hinted that Koekkoek and Cagguila could still sign for lower caphit. Fortin wasn’t mentioned so not sure on him.

  • October 24, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    For salary cap stuff if were trading some players getting a couple ufa players at lower caphits when added up and are doing these guys 50/17/these players you mentioned on for lower caphits.

    Then what are we saving it for? another ufa add or trade for younger player.

    With the virus stuff I think were still going to do max caphit basically/other then get those MF player bonuses squared up by the time we ‘need’ to.

  • October 24, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    JR, EDM probably doesn’t want to trade RNH, but more importantly from a Hawks perspective – why would the Hawks want to acquire him? The Hawks are at least a few years away from the rebuild being at the stage where they would consider acquiring a high cost “win now” guy. He’s 27 now so he would be 30+ by the time the Hawks are legitimately ready to compete for the Cup.

  • October 24, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    My thinking is to have one or two veterans that the young wave can look up to. The 4, 5 year difference between Kaner and Toews once they retire. The difference between Dach and K & T is too large. All first round top 3 picks. Another reason I wanted Hall.

  • October 24, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Landeskog Reinhart and Galchenyuk others that might get or be getable.

  • October 24, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    Prob need to be on bad teams to get a elite ufa. Who that then.

  • October 24, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    Who are the top top pair D guys that are 24/25 now. For good and bad teams we need a list.

    21 draft top 1/2/3 or 4/5 pick get a top pair D guy
    22 draft top 7-9 pick another very good FW
    23/24 summer add top pair D guy ufa wise.

  • October 24, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    23/24 summer or elite FW ufa wise.

  • October 25, 2020 at 11:01 am

    When ER Morrison Ian Craig Roamn are not posting there is nothing happening.

  • October 25, 2020 at 11:56 am

    MO,Come on man.I always have Hawk lineup options spinning around in my head throughout each day.Like a mad scientist I am trying to find that winning and entertaining team formula.

  • October 25, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    Yea your there with Roamn and Craig. Not trying to post the most with ER/Ian just trying not to post more then them. It looks that way sometimes because I post several times in a row/which is because I am reading 75 previous posts and commenting as I read through.

    We need to get roster back to deep because I think we all post more when we suck. When we were dynasty the posts were Hanson brother like. Just shows who cares and that some people post more or less when thing arnt good. People go about thing differently in that ways.

  • October 25, 2020 at 1:23 pm

    I did almost type Tim when I posted that. Only other person I thought of when.

  • October 25, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Well … if nothing else I can be a swizzle stick to stir the drink. :)

    Hockey talk does slow down and become repetitive when there’s no new hockey talk … so there’s that. I’ll give kudos the this site – even when the hockey talk slows down, at least Tab’s site doesn’t degenerate into arguments about politics like some other sites do, one in particular that I spend a fair amount of time on. Arguing passionately about hockey is the lifeblood of hockey blogs and to be accepted and embraced. Arguing about core values affecting everything in one’s life on the internet is not only pointless in changing minds – it’s imposing non-hockey talk on people that go to the site to escape non-hockey talk.

    Thank you Tab for providing hockey loving Hawks fans a place to talk hockey and only hockey – even if there are lulls in new hockey topics to talk about.

  • October 25, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    So much for Reinhart this year. 1yr at 5.25mil. Might go 3yrs and that amount for him next year.

  • October 25, 2020 at 5:22 pm

    One of the trades I thought would be worth discussing involved Kane to Buffalo with Reinhart being the main piece coming back, but that seems to be not in the picture now.

    Another Kane to Buffalo trade proposal would be Okposo and Dylan Cozens coming to the Hawks with whatever fine tuning would be required for both parties to agree. In this proposal the Hawks would not retain salary because Okposo would be the salary cap adjuster and Cozens would be the 1st round pick. Okposo is not worth anywhere near his $6M salary for 3 more years but it’s a net gain of $4.5M cap space for the Hawks and they get top-10 pick who is already going into his D+2 year with still 3 years of ELC. From Buffalo’s perspective they get Kane for 3 years at a net gain of $4.5M per year.

    I don’t know if more needs to be added from either side but that is the basic parameters.

  • October 25, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    They arent going to sign anyone big. Maybe some players who will be trade bait and darn well know it as the season moves along. Regarding Hall I’m friends with a guy who hangs out with some nhl players and without starting rumors I’ll just say in short his off ice behavior is a concern if true in other words hes a rumored jerk, so no thanks. Moreiver dont you want the cap space to resign Saad next year? It’s a possibility if Saad wants to take a team friendly deal. I bet he doesn’t though. If I were him I wouldn’t this is his shot at his best and biggest contract.

    This season is to evaluate and develop the prospect pool the team has. Stan did make mention they may make moves for other desirable prospects. I’d rather them land a legit prospect from a team that didnt have the roster space to give them a chance than a draft pick at this time. Parhaps eat a cap hit as part of the deal but cap hits for this season only are limited, would almost definitely need to be a threee way deal.

    The roster right now looks more than prepared for the Seattle draft. No need to complicate things eating up cap space. Signing whoever is left hoffman or whoever. Maybe look at Anderson if the goalies are that bad. Also players taking one year contracts hoping things turn around and then cash in next year.

    Hopefully Stan is looking closely at some of the rfa players and players who have not been given a solid opportunity. There is a diamond among the sand

  • October 25, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    What Ebonyraptor said! Thanks Tab and Ebonyraptor.

    I will continue to be my own personal skipping needle on the turntable and call for the end of the Nylander experiment. I’m not sure I agree with the individual scores given to Nylander in the four categories.

    He is a young guy and has some raw talent. Me thinks he needs a new sheet of ice (new term I just heard the other day!). Between the acquisitions and the guys needing playing time per Stan’s strategy, I’m not sure where I see him fit in. He doesn’t have the speed that a guy like Fortin had, although he does have better hands.

    I do agree with DeBrincat at the spot of 30 in the list (that’s kind of a no-brainer given his track record, albeit with a ‘down’ year last year). My deal with him is that he needs to decide his role, or have someone help him decide his role. He’s best when he’s more focused on the two way play and not just a perimeter sniper. He’s got some toughness but he’s got to use it the right way (stop trying to fight Alex, please). He did seem to be snake bit at times, but here’s hoping he just keeps playing through it. I think maybe his 40 goal season was a bit inflated by a handful of empty netters, although I have no hard numbers in front of me. However, he’s not on my trading block.

  • October 25, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    So help cap crunch teams a little.

    Smith to Toronto for the other Nylander. This could motivate our Nylander.

    Smith to Vegas for Marchessault and Roy. Vegas has March for another 4 years at 5mil

    We can add an artificial sweetener to those.

  • October 25, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    I hate to brake the news….Smith is not going to bring much of a return in a trade if anything.
    Who would want him besides Marc Crawford?

  • October 25, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    Money help not talent help. Honest Guy spoke about $$.

    Nylander making 6.96 for four years. That’s 24mil saved by Toronto.

    March making 5mil for four years. That’s 16.75mil saved by Vegas. Plus Roy’s money. Roy is the main piece of that trade.

  • October 26, 2020 at 8:23 am

    We got 3 yrs to find out if 12 going to play D/be good at it two way wise.

    Smith will find hos way out on his own/let it run out unless we can do those trades.

    Need not to throw away any good prospect to move players that will go on there own/we have time for that.

    Load young wave add other teams good prospects.

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