Teravainen Sent Down, Hartman and Cumiskey Recalled
On Thursday night, the Blackhawks announced that Teuvo Teravainen had been sent back to Rockford. Forward Ryan Hartman and defenseman Kyle Cumiskey have been recalled.
Hartman, 20, was the Blackhawks first round pick (30th overall) in the 2013 Draft. This season with Rockford, he has 18 points (eight goals, 10 assists) in 47 games. He also ranks third on Rockford with 81 penalty minutes and fifth with 94 shots on goal.
Cumiskey, 28, ranks third among IceHogs defensemen with 11 points in 38 games.
The Blackhawks now have eight defensemen on the NHL roster, including Cumiskey and Tim Erixon.
Looks like Rundblad will be joining his best buddy Erixon in the press box.
Hmmm … interesting that Hartman gets the call before McNeill. Is McNeill injured again? Also, Ross has played well, although he’s not a 1st rounder like Hartman and McNeill.
Cumiskey at least has played in the NHL, although not for several years. Not sure if he’s slowed down in recent years, but he used to be a pretty good skater who could skate the puck out of the d-zone so maybe that’s why he’s getting an audition.
Why isnt T.J. Brennan ever talked about as a defensemen? just looking up the Rockford roster, its probably cap space right?
ER, I also wonder why Hartman got it before McNeil. Hopefully he can bring a physical and agitating element with some more enthusiasm. The rest of the call ups this year thus far have been a little underwhelming besides Darling and Van Reimsdyk (inc. Clendening, Dahlbeck, Teuvo, Nordstrom, Regin).
I read somewhere that Erixon was “day to day”….uhhh? Lol. Hartman brings some scratch and skill, but hasn’t put up the numbers in the A yet. Cumiskey, I didn’t like him in camp, but at this point I’ll take anything over Oduya and Rozsival.
Perhaps this is the precursor to a larger move Tab was talking about the other day?
[gasp] There may be something to the chess pieces being moved around in Rockford like I said on Tuesday?
Showcase or good time to get him his 3 cups of coffee.
Guys McNeil flat out sucks, he’s not an NHL player. McNeil doesn’t have any NHL tools, he’s not fast, he’s not a good shooter, and he’s not overly physically. The only way he cracks the Hawks roster is a number of injuries or trades.
Now as for Hartman the guy has an NHL shot with a quick release. I’d love to see him with Kane and Richards. I think Hartman has the chance to be a top 6 player so I am excited to watch him. Sucks for TT, his time will come soon enough.
Cuminsky? Why???
Q was asked prior to yesterday’s game why TT was out of the lineup and his response was he needs to be in the top 6. He’s right the way Q plays his lines TT isn’t going to fit this year. I’d say it’s pretty safe to assume baring injury TT will not be back up this season.
Hartman is probably better suited in the bottom 6 right now instead of Tuevo, but Hartman can slide up if he needs to he’s got talent
Admit I got only a glimpse of Cumisky when he was with the Hawks, but based on that, to me he looked like an AHL depth player. So, “Why???” indeed?
If Q won’t play Teravainen he’s better off getting prime time in Rockford. Carcillo is pretty much useless — I hope Hartman gets a REAL opportunity.
(I don’t get to see any Hogs games, so I depend on those who share information here for the little I know about prospects, etc.)
McNeil has devolved into just another guy. Which continues a problematic trend of prospects in the system. We talk about depth at Rockford the past two seasons and in truth it’s not amounted to squat. Hayes and Pirri were /are nothing special and would never fit the Q system. Then Morin. Clendening was once touted but turned out to be a not very good offensive defenseman. Dahlbeck hasn’t taken s step. McNeil is officially a disappointment. Danault likely makes the roster next year and should skate snd fit the system, but is role player caliber. Teuvo is a lousy fit for this system snd he has completely failed my early on assessment…I don’t see the wondrous future in this kid.
So let’s see what Hartman can do. But even he is role caliber type and not s high ceiling NHL guy.
Cumiesky is desperation move on a team that has hit the poiint where you try rearranging the deck chairs on the SS Titanic that has become RunbladOduyaRosival.
CUMISKEY. Sorry. I hate when people misspell or mispronounce my name so I try to get others right, especially when you can look up and see how its correctly spelled.
As for the Brennan argument. It can’t be salary, his cap hit is the same as Cumiskey’s. Good players force teams to make room for them cap wise. Admittedly I haven’t seen Brennan play much. But yes his numbers do stand out. It must be noted, he is on his 5th organization. (Buffalo,Florida,Toronto,Islanders,Chicago)
So its not just the Hawks that are seeing something they don’t think translates to NHL team success. What that is, I don’t know. I’m not an NHL scout, nor do I play one on TV. But its not just the hawks that are seeing it.
Rufus, top 6 are set. Top 4 going into the year were set. Oduya fell off the face of a cliff. Nobody saw that steep of a drop coming. So with that in mind, what else do you need aside from role players? I’m sorry, but a Toews,Hossa,Kane,Saad, Seabrook,Keith type player…they’re aren’t manufactured. Your role players are the ones you developed and manufacture. But those special talents, that’s all on the player. Look at Jamie Benn. Spent 2 seasons in Junior after being drafted. Then jumps straight into the NHL. Special player. Does the team help? Absolutely, but give the player some credit. Some things just can’t be taught.
ummmm dont they need role players
weird roster stuff happening
i just hope the game doesnt suck tomorrow
I like Hartman and Ross because both attack and backcheck. Everyone else, well, no IceHog forward has done much for 2 months, the goals pretty Slim Pickens. Virtually no O flow. Very happy TT AND Nordy area back in town, though quite possibly they are not.
As for TJ Brennan, he is an excellent offensive and good defensive defenseman. I’d say good D in the AHL is too thin for the NHL, but he can generate O and run the PP. He’s the leading scorer for Christ sake.
Given Oduya’s decline, Hawks desperately need a top 4 defenseman to play with Hammer so 7 and 2 can pair up again. They’re a mess back there.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a deep playoff run is the stepping stone for Hogs to become Hawks. Only then will we see which ones are ready for the jump.
Hoff, how has Hartman been looking 2way wise.
Hartman has been noticeable for Hogs – from time to time…
But Ross has been better … TT was awesome after the first 10-15 games…
SSHM- I strongly agree… TT will be much better in Hawk’s top 6…
And- Ross will fit the 3rd/4th lines much better…
BUT- Ross has really earned it over Hartman (to this point in time)…
SO- makes me speculate about one of Ross/Hartman getting moved…
and/or … does this mean Hawks are thinking about moving 29 or 65???
For my money- Ross plays like 65… Seems faster (but that’s vs AHL guys)
Interesting to say the least.
Cumiskey is up because the defense has been a disaster/adventure. I have been hoping that Rundblad, with increased playing time, would get more confident and make better plays defensively. But last Friday’s horrible turnover on the first goal in Winnipeg and last night’s repeated gaffes against Vancouver have obviously shown that he’s not ready for meaningful NHL hockey (as opposed to October or November ) that is upon us.
Cumiskey’s 130+ NHL games of experience has to be an upgrade. If he can just make simple break out passes, he should be O-K.
Tab—-what kind of move could you see coming?
I know it wont happen this year or anything, but i would love to see a 20/TT/81 line in camp next year. Both than an elite talent to recieve and finish passes. I think having 29/19/88 gets the most out of 29 (assuming hes not moved). He we have to pay him, why not get the most out of him. then 65/16/23 can anchor the bottom 6 with the guys we have in RFD filling in the holes.
As for this year, I agree Hartman is a better fit for bottom 6 play then TT, so im interested to see how this works out. I think it can benefit all involved.
Still need to straighten out the D, but im sure something will happen.
This whole thing is odd. I wonder what the cap implications are (swapping out TT for Cumiskey + Hartman). I’m quite certain the cap has something to do with this.
On Cumiskey – he can skate and make a decent pass but he’s not the answer. His season in Rockford has been up and down and he’s had a few injuries.
On Hartman – an inconsistent season which is not surprising, it’s his first year. He brings energy and his two way play is improving but has a ways to go. He turns the puck over every game and takes some dumb penalties. The exuberance of youth.
If (big if) they are really calling these guys up to play, I would agree with Wall that Ross is more ready. McNeil I think they want him playing a lot of minutes since he too missed a bunch of time this year.
And yes, these guys are all role players, nothing more. Could be a showcase situation too.
It could also be a competition thing to light a fire under certain guys, like Shaw for one who hasn’t done much this year.
imo- Hartman- somewhere in between 65/10… shot is closer to a Sharpie… skating smooth, but doubt if he is as fast as 10… Kind of Hits like 10… 10 doesn’t go looking for trouble, but if he’s pissed and sees that you are a little off balance… 10 will/can rock you… There have been several times this year when Hartman has made that crushing hit… But not Shaw like (cuz-imo- 65 is reckless at times/ and not in position to “win” the hit (ex. the hit vs. Ladd the other day- where 65 had all the speed- and ladd still put Shaw on his ass… cuz Ladd had balance and saw it coming))
Could this mean 65 or 29 is on the “block”???
I think Ross/Hartman could easily fill the void for 65… 65 would only be missed on the PP…
29- yes – Hawks can use his size in PO’s… but before next year- SB will HAVE to clear some Cap space (so someone is gone)… so by moving 29- SB can get Middle of the road D man and “Power Forward” for this year’s PO run… I am guessing a Winnik type + decent D man… + audition speedy/Buzz player like Hartman/Ross
Tab – Since the Hawks are playing the Devils, do you think this could be that we are showcasing some players that may be part of a package deal to NJ?
Who might the Hawks be interested in? Zidlicky or Greene would be a nice upgrade on D!
Or could it be that TT was sent down because he could be someone the Devils are interested in?
Yes, there is the evil cap space lurking… hanging over us…
It’s Friday the 13th! Ahhhh!
Rufus said:
“Teuvo is a lousy fit for this system and he has completely failed my early on assessment…I don’t see the wondrous future in this kid.”
Thank you Rufus, I thought I was going crazy as I too don’t see what’s so special about him……
At this time anyway……
re: showcasing players – any time a kid gets called up it’s possible. The fact that Hartman profiles as a more offensively talented version of Andrew Shaw might be lighting a fire under 65’s ass as well…
re: Teravainen being underwhelming – I’d love to read the assessments of Rufus & others of Patrick Kane when he got here as an 18 year old.
Let me be clear: Teravainen is not Patrick Kane. But when 88 got here, he had the freedom learn from his mistakes because a) Savard was his head coach, and b) the Blackhawks were almost a decade removed from being relevant in the NHL. The scenario is different in Chicago now. There was a lot that I liked from Teravainen, but he is young and tentative.
re: HockeyJunkie – I wrote on Tuesday about potential trade targets for the Hawks, and Zidlicky was on that list.
final response (for now) – re: McNeill’s “scouting report” from the peanut gallery. There was a time when Troy Brouwer was described in almost every way some have evaluated McNeill here. Remember that it’s about opportunity, and taking advantage of what you’re given as a player. To Brouwer’s credit, he’s worked his ass off and has become a solid forward for two successful franchises (even if Washington can’t get out of their own way in the postseason).
Thanks Tab! I agree about TT… His game is very similar to Kane. Once he figures it out, he can be an impact player and it would be a shame to see him traded now without knowing all he can become. And yes, I was relating your Tuesday post to my comments this morning.
Just for frame of reference –
Cumiskey has had 0 points in the last 15 games with Rockford. Hartman has been on the ice for 8 of the last 15 even strength goals against.
Hartman profiles as a similar player to Shaw, as I and others have said. The front office may want to see what they have in Hartman at this point. I don’t think his two way game is ready, nor his consistency.
It’ll be interesting how this all plays out. These moves are a bit of a head scratcher to me.
As atrocious as Oduya has been, and irrespective of Rundblad, I would rather continue to take my chances w/ them than Cumiskey. As for another forward, Ross is a responsible player, skates well, has offensive touch, and has the best +/- on Rockford by far. Whoever decided on bringing up these two particular players has some cognitive issues or on the bottle. They don’t meet the eye nor pass the stats test. I hope they prove me wrong and instantly contribute.
Can’t have anything to do with salary swaps or cap hit savings. TT/Nordstrom for Cumiskey/Hartman is almost an exact wash. Can’t imagine that either of these guys get much of a trial given the team’s current skid and the need to take some points. They probably have the traditional short leash from Q if they make the call up at all. Something else must be going on here.
TT is just a kid. Still has lots of time to devolop his game and find his niche. Right now playing with bottom 6 guys isnt going to help him. I agree with Q there.
Right now he isnt the answer. He isn’t Kane (like tab said). But the talent is there and just needs seasoning. Maybe he never turns into an allstar, but he will be more than just your average schlub gringing it out in the bottom tier of the NHL.
Going to the Rock Sat. nite … Hope they have another Valentine’s Day Brawl like famous one… every one on ice fighting for 15 minutes… in Pink jerseys!!!
CLASSIC!!!
Hope TT/Nordy can ignite the Hogs again…
Shaw is terrible at defense as well, so swapping him for Hartman would probably be a sum zero.
Smith being a healthy scratch while Dan Carcillo is still skating 5 mintues a night makes zero god damn sense to me. Sure, Smith hasn’t scored a point in forever, but he’s a cornerstone on the top PK unit. Carcillo does…. what exactly?
Guess I should have checked the twitter before posting. Both are starting tonight.
JS… I assume benching Smith is similar to what Q did with Saad last year and look how that turned out! Hopefully Smith comes back strong for the (long?) playoff run!
Tab…….as always, good observations. I am of the opinion that TT has excellent skills, but his head and his body need to catch up to his hands. The Hawks need to be PATIENT with this kid. In Europe the ice is bigger and he wasn’t hit so much and rushed with his decisions. Here, in the NHL, he needs time to develop and become a good player.
I am hoping that the days of rushing our youngsters to the NHL are gone. Too many players had the wait of the world thrust apon them, only to find out that they couldn’t handle the pressure. Everett Sanipass was a “can’t miss” prospect. He just couldn’t handle the pressure of saving a franchise and he was gone in a short time.
Nobody in coaching, scouting or management can predict how a player will play at the NHL level until he is on the ice at the NHL level. The reason guys like David Rundblad are here is because, even though he makes glaring mistakes, there are times the guy can skate the puck out of danger while stick handling through 3 opponents. So you hope that he can over come his deficiencies and be a steady defenseman.
We will not know how good or bad TT will be until he matures as a player and a young man. It may take 2 years, but I am willing to wait because his raw talent is a sight to behold.
Carcillo is a gritty sandpaper man!!!!! Jeez JS watch a game. Anyway, really head scratching stuff going on. Maybe Bowman and Q got drunk and started throwing darts to see who gets brought up and who has the pleasure of playing 5 minutes.
Ummm Saad was concussed last year to be fair. This organization sucks at dealing with those in a productive manner.
Thing about Smith is – he’s still getting the same opportunities as last year, they just aren’t going in. Much like Hossa, eventually the shooting percentage has to even out and the pucks will start going in. Other than that, his fancy stat numbers are the same if not better than last year.
Roszival (and Erixon) dinged up and day to day, so now the Cumiskey call up makes sense. Pretty sure they’d have to waive him (Cumiskey) to send him down so there still might be something going on.
Hartman in for Ben Smith – trying to light a fire under Smith I guess.
Wall, keep an eye on Stephen Johns if you can tomorrow, curious how he’s playing. Hogs are on a bit of a skid. I was going to go but it’s too damn cold to be driving out to DeKalb and then up to Rockford!
I read that Sharp practiced on the fourth line today, can anyone verify this and what the line combos are. A lot of strange stuff going on for sure.
JS, spot on re: Smith. If nothing else, he is a pillar in #1 ranked penalty kill unit. His penalty killing has been tenacious and consistent. He also takes a lot of faceoffs. There’s not going to be a brawl re: retribution for some misdeed tonight v. New Jersey; no reason whatsoever to play Carcillo instead of Shaw (unless Bollig re-sent Carcillo his incriminating photos of Q).
Hmm, so if Smith is benched who is on the #1 PK unit with Kruger? Saad?
I could understand this as a similar benching to Shaw. I don’t think you can really send a “message” to either. Both Shaw and Smith give their absolute maximum effort at all times. Truth of the matter is, Smith (despite how much we all like him) is just a guy when it comes to offense and when he is having bad puck luck, he looks like a horrible offensive player; where elite offensive players like Sharp and Hossa simply look like good offensive players when their luck fails.
correction to post, no reason to play Carcillo instead of Smith.
Carcillo is worthless. What exactly does he bring to the table? He is nothing more than a thug who can’t finish and gets his ass kicked every time he fights. I also agree with Q on 86 being a top 6. My choice would be to play him with 10/23 and 88. The way the team is playing right now I don’t see why it would hurt to try him there. I am not a Rozy fan but I think he has been playing fairly well lately. Runblad is up and down, as you would expect from a rookie. Oduya is the biggest D problem at this point. He is a turnover machine and is getting slapped around on the boards. I hope Q doesn’t start the blending machine and play only 3 lines like last year.
Smith apparently has an injury
Smith has really really struggled outside of PK duty.
Teravainen cap hit is the same as 20/38. 34/26 goes to RFD roster once he isint day to day. The were right at that 1.1m in cap space again. How much did we bank before 23 got hurt and how much will we add from now to deadline has to be calculated. So (22 on 23man) we have more then 1.1m for deadline as of now.
nhlnumbers (capgeek) site is good, shows the caphit per days (186) but they have T at 1.344 and no bonuses listed/which is what it must be. Holy Pokka has some bonuses.
Tayyvo is going to be a good player. We watched him play every game at world juniors for 2yrs. He was one of the best the first yr and the best player there the second yr against the top prospects/same age range group, not the NHL. Sure I can see why people might think that if they only saw him play I the NHL (17) games. Once he gets a couple yrs in (with size/strength) he will have that look on his face like he had at the draft. You made a mistake by not drafting me when you could have, now I am with these guys.
Ben Smith isn’t injured, he’s a healthy scratch:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4687404/ben-smith-upset-with-himself-over-benching
The two day to day injured guys are Roszival (due back Sunday) and Erixon (unknown).
Maybe what A.J. is referring to is Smith’s ego?
I suppose if Q wants to try some new things – like Carcillo on the 3rd line, Sharp on the 4th line, Hartman in for Smith, Cumiskey in for Rozsival potentially changing the d-pairings up – this would be the game to do it. Not that the Hawks couldn’t lay an egg and lost to any team, but NJ isn’t that scary, especially with a lineup that Cammelleri, Zajak, Gomez and Josefson down the middle, Tootoo in the top-6 and no player with more than 29 points (Jagr). So I’m going to go out on a limb and say the Hawks will win this unless Schneider plays out of his mind.
Heard Erixon was day to day with a lower body.
I have not posted in a long time due to being in and out of the hospital for the last four months, but I am very excited to see Ryan Hartman getting a look. I hope that this not a showing for scouts,(afraid it is) because I have followed this kid since his high school team smoked the team I coached. I have seen a few Hog’s games early this year and am sure he is better than he showed. Very early four his # to be called upon to the show, I know others have been on hogs longer without a look, so I pray this is not a audition for a trade as Tab has hinted. By the way, I am very thankful for all the time and effort that Tab puts in for this site, and do not understand the sh@# that flies when he makes an educated guess on what MAY be behind moves that are made by the Hawks.
To stick on the Hawks, TT has to rival Steeger which isn’t going to happen. As I said several games ago, TT will go to Rockford. Hawks have been slogging along for last several weeks, and face elimination in first round of play-offs. With Hartman and Cuminsky, Q is simply trying to light a fire under somebody. If Rundblad can’t stay away from dumb plays, he will get a one way ticket out of town, similar to J Morin who, before his unfortunate medical problems, was attracted to dumb plays. Hossa is coming on as is Kane and Saad. Q needs Steeger to play like he did before injury, nearly a point/game.
Lets Fucking Go. NOW! (put 5 D on the PP)
Jax, that’s great to her your doing better man. You came back at a good time, we need everybody. Good vibes.
Would the real Sr. Brad stand up.
Anyone hear how Morins been doing. He and CLB will get there chance when they have a normal season. CLB not good this yr and FLR the 9th seed, BOS can sleepwalk to playoffs. Cambell conference, theres only 2 shit teams. NYR probably wouldn’t make playoffs in this conference. Night and Day.
This is getting **** ridiculous, 6 wks.
Com-mon.
Morin was placed on IR by the Blue Jackets after he was rushed to a Columbus hospital on Jan. 27 during a game against the Capitals. He complained of an accelerated heart rate during the game and was taken in for observation. He has not played since 1/27.
Thanks Tab. Just wondered if he had any progress in health since that happened. When Jax said he had health problems and recent post mentioned 11, was thinking along those lines.
Good vibes, man.