37 thoughts on “WATCH: Stan Bowman Discusses Hawks Struggles

  • January 25, 2018 at 8:52 am

    C’Mon Stan…. Who you crappin???

  • January 25, 2018 at 8:54 am

    The most critical part of the world being the 30 other NHL General Managers…..he has to keep the prices high if people want his guys…..

  • January 25, 2018 at 9:36 am

    If you ask me, I think the their troubles lay more at Bowman’s feet than Q’s. Coaches don’t trade away players. Coaches don’t sign contracts that back you into a cap crunch. GM’s do that. For a long time, the teams winning hid for the fact that Bowman was winning with someone else’s core. Now, that core is getting older and he traded away a piece of it and….its crumbling. Q can only work with what Q is given from Bowman.

  • January 25, 2018 at 10:01 am

    That Guy, interesting perspective you raise; this is a tough one. They both — for various reasons — deserve lots of credit for the Hawks’ decade of success, yet both deserve blame for mistakes as well. This would be an interesting one if it was a legal case — who is more responsible?

    At the end of the day, if I had to choose one — as much grief as I have intermittently given Q about some of his lineup selections over the last few years — I would allocate larger percentage of responsibility upon Bowman than Q.

  • January 25, 2018 at 10:12 am

    The only coach that has won more NHL games than Q is Scotty freaking Bowman, who is to hockey what Yoda is to the Force. No question Q is better at his job than Stan is.

    The only issue here is the question of shelf life. Sometimes players stop listening to a coach because they become too familiar with their message, the personal relationship they have, the rhythm of practices, etc. and it becomes counter productive unless you replace most of the players.

    Q I believe has one more year left on his deal. It will be very interesting to see how this situation is handled in the off season. Is Stan kicked upstairs and replaced in the GM role? Or is he allowed to replace Q? Or is everyone back to do this all over again next year with a healthy Crawford and another year of development on the young guys?

    No one will look good coaching when your only center that can score is Nick Schmaltz, when you compare that to what the rest of the league has.

  • January 25, 2018 at 10:41 am

    Agreed Iceman- Q can only do so much with the talent he has at his disposal. Bowman is the problem.

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:09 am

    imo-Bowman more of problem than Q… wts- does Bowman make all final decisions on all those silly NMCs??? or were those decisions made by collective Group?

    McD, other FO guys, and Stan- together?

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:14 am

    If the pp as someone else mentioned was working better and Crawford was back, the players in front would be more confident not making the mental mistakes we are seeing, this team be in a lot better place right now. The young guys start maturing, after all the core took a couple years and alot of naysaying before iy came together, things could change in a hurry. This year may not be a postseason but with being younger faster and maybe a key move or two, finding another Hossa type ones, smart drafting future can be good. As mentioned good smart puck moving dmen prospects. Maybe not next year but some European forward help coming in Soderland and KHL players. Altibarmakyan looks to have a decent 2 way potential and the other could be offensive help, From seems to faded away as not hearing much on him.

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:27 am

    Blah Blah Blah … wouldn’t you love it if the interviewer actually asked tough questions instead of the softballs he was lobbing up for Stan. How about some questions like these:

    Q: With his on-ice whining and diminished level of play, do you think Toews should still be wearing the “C”?

    Q: Adding Saad to Toews’ line was supposed to revitalize Toews and get that first line going. Do you regret trading Panarin who has 39 points for Saad who has only 23 points and hasn’t done much to help Toews of the 1st line?

    Q: Are you concerned now that your team doesn’t have the advantage of a superior lineup like in years past and it will result in the same situation as Detroit where you will be stuck in mediocrity – good enough to not get top draft picks but not good enough to be a legitimate Cup contender?

    But instead we get questions the equivalent of “what’s your favorite color”?

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:31 am

    EBR you get my vote to conduct the next interview with Stan….

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:42 am

    Stan`s encouraged by what he see`s ,.,.,SAY WHAT !, someone wack that man with a frozen turd pie . Mmmmmmm the coaching staff put`s the lines together ,decides who get`s benched and decides who`s on special teams ,.,.,.,sounds like players underachieving and a coaching derailment to me . No urgency in Stan`s mind ,sure last year`s playoff exit was pitiful but…….you ain`t seen nothing yet .
    If this team is NOT a seller @ trade deadline both Stanley and Q-bert should be fired. .

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:43 am


    Cmon those questioned weren’t that bad. So here is the recap, SB likes this group. That’s problem 1 considering your group is in last place. Q will not be fired he likes the staff. This team doesn’t drive possession, allows too many shots and the PP is abysmal. That’s your 2nd problem. And he likes Seabrook; urgh! I wonder if he likes his fucking job!

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:43 am

    I think both Q and bowman will get one more year to figure this out. Just my guess because of the young age of most of the players.

    It’s been a failure all around this
    year. Management,front office,coaching and the players.

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:51 am

    I am constantly reading this blog but never posted. Die hard Hawks fan for almost 50 years. Lots of great comments/insights from the posters.

    A couple of things I don’t understand…criticism of the Panarin/Saad trade. The Kane to Panarin pass and one timer was a thing of beauty but the trade shouldn’t be judged on regular season point totals. The trade was made to get a playoff player and dump one who won’t compete when the going gets tough. Panarin was absolutely useless in two playoffs. Saad is gritty and go to areas that you need to go to be successful in the playoffs (of course, we have to make them).

    The other item is the constant criticism of 19. He has obviously regressed and, again, based on point totals is not earning his salary but does a ton more than that, both on and off the ice. Most young talent need leadership to be successful both on and off the ice which I will almost guarantee 19 provides (as done 7) . There is a reason that the Blackhawks org is one of the most respected in the league and that is because they don’t kick veterans to the curb after leading them to three Stanley cups. That is why free agents will want to come here.

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:52 am

    Hockey people, especially guys on Sportsnet stick together and with a former coach and GM on the panel you can be sure you won’t be hearing the hard-ball questions–it’s like a country club
    People want to keep there job and be buddies with all ‘the hockey people’ and that won’t change.
    The past year, and the next couple will show how good or bad Bowman is and if he keeps his job.

    I can’t see Q beyond his current deal. HOFer or not. Scotty B. coached with about five teams and I don’t think for as long as Q has with one team.

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:53 am

    P.s. be nice to me…I am a virgin poster lol

  • January 25, 2018 at 11:59 am

    In these interviews, unless he really breaks rank and gets super controversial, the answers are gonna be pretty standard.

    I don’t believe that Stan is really, truly pleased with the effort that the Blackhawks have given. And I don’t really believe that “last year is last year”.

    Sans Kane, this is a fairly disinterested bunch when it comes to displaying a consistent work ethic on the ice. Unless there are some specific mitigating circumstances such as injuries that are chronic and still sporadic in nature, this is just a disconnected bunch.

    Last night’s game was a point earned, and it wasn’t at the expense of two points to a division rival. However, it wasn’t all that pretty. Just can’t finish.

  • January 25, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    Stan seems to have the authority from McDonough to go younger. If he likes what he sees, it’s from guys like Schmaltz, Kampf, Debrincat and perhaps duClair.

    Going into the trade deadline, the Hawks have some currency as they call it : Wingels, Bouma, Franson, Kempny could all fetch draft picks. Anisimov would be a really big deal if they could move that contract. Big centers are coveted.

  • January 25, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    Toews was having an excellent face off performance last night v.s. The Leafs ,why in the good lords name would he not be taking the over time opening face off? This is a game of possession right ,.,.,very important in over time with less players and more open ice ,.,., but no Q keeps Tazer riding the pine .

  • January 25, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    Good post Chuckie and welcome to the site and Hawktalk I agree

  • January 25, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    Just a few stats to think about. Top 3 possession teams in corsi are no.1 Canes no.2 Bruins and no.3 Blackhawks. Two last place teams in top 3. Leading league in hit goal posts 40 and 31st in PP. Their record in one goal games is 7 and 13, a 500 hundred record there and they have 55pts instead of 51 and few less posts and couple more power play goals would do that easily. Crawford only played in 28 of 48 games. Wouldn’t have been in all but easily 12 or 13 more and even if worth only another 4pts. and be in a playoff spot with 16 or 17 different players on the roster than this time last year.. This team is alot closer than record shows and still alot of maturing happening as they go with their younger ages.

  • January 25, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    Last night I also think they said the Hawks lead the NHL in position time in the other teams end this year–what that seems to say is they can control but not score-
    all Swedish no Finnish

  • January 25, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    Having spent over 55+ years cheering this team through some wonderful years and some awful years the biggest concern I have right now is the evident lack of passion from our players. Even the NBC broadcast crew commented on it last night. In the third period the bench was quiet.

    Shouldn’t our captain and some of the other veterans be showing a some emotion on the bench and try to rally the young guys at least to some degree? Too many players look like they don’t care even in a close game with two points there to be taken.

    As bad as it is right now, things could be a lot worse – and have been in many of the seasons past. The league is well balanced with most teams being very competitive. Look at what a group of castaways is doing in Las Vegas. Talent is always a factor but desire, hunger and the willingness to sacrifice for the good of the team can make the difference when all else is so close.

    Give Q one or two guys willing to regularly put their body on the line (like the one that now plays defense in Arizona) and it will show the young guys just what it takes to win in the toughest league in the world.

  • January 25, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    Fucking hand pass out of the zone. Fucking icing.

    Do your job bitches. Use the whistle.

  • January 25, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    Possession/Cycle… ain’t what it used to be… team’s have adjusted to defend that.

    Transition and odd man breaks- (getting more than you give up)… is more important to my eye… Cycle doesn’t guarantee a Grade A chance… but a good old 2 on 1… and u usually gonna get a great chance.

    Hawks used to be great at both… 2015 cup… they won- in spite of not controlling the odd mans like in the past…

    Now – I would un-officially say they lose that stat- most nites…

    Only watched 1st period… but they were actually trending in right direction as far as speed/transition… especially 20/8/88 and Jurco/Kampf/Hino.

    My eyes still say- Hawks aren’t able to transition (lot of that falls on the D)…

    Vegas- looked like they had 6 skaters on the ice with their structure and transition…

    Chuckie83- Bowman- out of respect Paid these guys for the jobs/cups they earned in the past… that is fine… but- It is a business at the end of the day… and Business will suffer in the future based on today’s product. Unless it is fixed/changed.

  • January 25, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    First, I was being a bit rhetorical in my previous post – I don’t think we’ll ever hear those type of questions asked. Nor would the answers be worth spit it those types of questions were ever asked.

    But that said, and trying to be nice to our virgin poster (welcome, by the way), allow me to address the two issues you umbrage with.

    On the Saad/Panarin trade – while I agree with the premise that the trade should not be judged by point totals, I didn’t expect Saad to match Panarin’s point total. However, it wasn’t only playoff performance that was supposed to be the impetus for the trade – it was also supposed to be that Saad would give Toews a linemate during the regular season so Toews’ line could drive possession like they have in past seasons. That hasn’t happened and although it’s not all Saad’s fault, he has been less than expected. Having Saad be a better playoff performer than Panarin isn’t going to matter if they don’t make the playoffs.

    On Toews’ leadership – I never questioned his leadership throughout the Cup winning years, even when he lost his mind in the 2013 Detroit series and Seabrook had to help him get his head straight. There was no question Toews was the Hawks leader and one of best leaders in the NHL. But over the last couple seasons the mantle has begun to slip as evidenced by his immature antics on the ice when he is rightly penalized or tossed from the faceoff. A leader doesn’t whine and Toews has become a constant whiner. The fall off in the level of his play exacerbates his diminished leadership – it’s one thing to be the best player on the ice and be a whiner (see Crosby), but it’s another to be a whiner who isn’t helping his team by producing on the ice.

    I’ve been a die hard Hawks fan for over 50 years – seen a lot of lean years much worse than this year. I want to see Toews and Saad do better because I don’t want the glorious 10-year run to end. But, at some point ya got to call em like ya see em.

  • January 25, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    This faceoff thing is new this yr. once they are satisfied with new rules on faceoff s and stop stalling and drop the dam puck that will go a long ways.

  • January 25, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    1961 was/is spot on 1000% re: Hawks’ lack of finishers; if you combine with all the metrics/#s, the Hawks are far, far worse than they should be. The problems boils down to less than a handful of things:

    1) lack of finishers as 1961 set forth prior post;
    2) in the same vein as 1961 stated re: the forwards, this applies to the D-men as well, Keith 0 goals, Seabrook 3, the remainder of them throw in a hat it’s peanuts (off the top of my head, maybe 15-18 max goals total from the D-men, in years past like double that amount to date;
    3) minor league back-up goalies (to be fair, it could have been far worse, it’s not their fault re: 1) & 2) above) can only do so much to stop the bleeding;
    4) to a lesser degree than 1), 2) & 3) above, Q’s lineups some nights, particularly the obsessive scratching of Kempny and some goofy forward line combos.

    All this being said, Bowman still deserves his share of the blame, he put the team together, not Q.

    Nice job 1961 pointing out the finisher quagmire, the Hawks appear more listless than they should be b/c they can’t close the deal more often than not. Maybe someone like Duclair will have an awakening and play consistently to his abilities. We’ll see.

  • January 25, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    P.S. Hawktalk great point re: Toews and the faceoffs, specifically OT.

  • January 25, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    Excellent points on the rebuttals to my comments…thanks. Make no mistake, I question many of the same things others do on this site. I live in Toronto with two brothers as Leafs fans so I know how lucky I have been the last 8 years (although I have a feeling it is going to come back on me soon. Lots of good energy in the last two games, just some defensive brain farts and no finish. Let’s hope it changes tonight.

  • January 25, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    I meant the last two games I saw…TB and Tor…forgot they laid that egg against the Islanders in between

  • January 25, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Our pipeline is thin – other than Jokiharju (who I would rate as potential second pairing) there are no blue chippers. Our core looks worn down (2,7,19 look tired and 81 is kaput). I don’t see another run any time soon. I’d like to see a bold commitment to rebuild.

    That doesn’t mean a fire sale but maybe things like accumulating picks, maybe moving up in the draft, moving a core guy who might be willing. Losing doesn’t bother me, but stagnating will. We had a 28 year streak where we made the playoffs and did almost nothing (and after that we got even worse!). I would have no problem missing for a few years, but rebuilding and icing an exciting young team again.

  • January 25, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    THAT GUY and ICEMAN, agree that Bowman is much more to blame than Q. Q is a great coach who is incorporating a rapidly-changing line-up the past two years. He is very smart and I hope the Hawks keep him around.

    Over the years I have posted some bad drafts and trades that were made. As a result, the Hawks do not have not much high-end talent in the pipeline.

    Examples of drafts:
    2010 Kevin Hayes – traded a 2nd round pick to move up to get him and then cut him loose.
    2011 – Mark McNeil
    2015 and 2016 – traded 1st round picks and Danault for rentals. In fairness, Hawks may not have won cup without Vermette.

    Worst trade in Hawks history: Washed-up Timonen for two 2nd round picks.

    On the other hand, the Hawks (SB) have made some good trades since summer ’16.

    The Hawks have some very good young talent. Let’s see how skillful SB is at selling veterans at the deadline and during free-agency. If successful, the Hawks will be back in the hunt within two-three years.

  • January 25, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    Great post EBR, I agree and add this.

    Whose play will be more influential, Toews on Saad or Saad on Toews. Watch Saad with his fly byes around the net, standing at the side of the net and giving up on puck when he get pinch against the boards. Saad is mirroring Toews of the last 2 years. Before Saad was traded he was known as baby Hossa. Just watch Saad’s play now. I do not think anyone would describe his play like Hossa’s. Where has the leadership gone.

    The NBC broadcast stated how unemotional the bench was. To develop young players they need coaching and encouragement. That just is not happening. People on this blog have stated the regression in the young players. Send D-kat to Rockford and so on for the young d-men. Once again who is coaching them up and who is saying follow me and lets score a goal.

    While SB may have signed the contracts, Q is the leading the bench. Q has had a great run and I will stand and applaud when he is inducted into the HOF but lets not forget that he has been fired before. His message has grown stale and he is not reaching these players.

    The core needs to understand and embrace what they are responsible for. I will forever have respect for what they accomplished giving Chicago 3 cups. The letter on their sweater stands for something that ther are not living up to. True leadership is tested during tough times. Its easy to lead when things are going right.

    Go Hawks and I hope they turn it around and I will gladly eat these words.

  • January 25, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    Iceman- will 3 pts in 1st period do it for ya.

    Maybe someone like Duclair will have an awakening and play consistently to his abilities. We’ll see.

  • January 25, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    Bowman deserves his share of blame for where the Blackhawks are now, just as he should get some credit for where the Hawks have recently been. He has had some successes and failures in the hard cap era, but one thing Bowman is not to blame for is the “Hard Cap”. The blame for that goes to Bettman and the Owners, including Rocky Wirtz. Who would be on this team now and would they be better if there were a soft cap with a penalty for going over?

  • January 27, 2018 at 9:39 am

    I dont think enough blame gets put on McDonough. We know he was behind the Bickell deal. Id have to imagine he had some influence on Seabrooks.

    GMs typically last longer than coaches. As much as I like Q, the guys in the locker room have heard the same message for 10 years now. Hes coached 48 more games in Chicago than Scotty Bowman did anywhere. Not saying hes not a good coach. But the message has become stagnant. Sometimes a new voice breathes life into the room. A little discomfort isnt a bad thing.

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